Should Hogan and Bischoff Leave TNA?

[TheHitMark-SirJoseOle]

Well Im glad you had a laugh. every one is entitled to their opinion and you are entitled to yours.
Lets just get this straight,
I have never said that im a expert on the insides of WCW, TNA or WWE. I am just a wrestling fan of over 25+ years and will continue to be so. The thing is, this is a forum for wrestling fans to air their views and for others to either agree with or not. Do I have to know the complete inner workings of the federations to have to enjoy watching wrestling and qualify to air my views? Does that also mean that everyone who shares the same opinion that I do is Wrong too? Can we not just be fans and still be able to air our views on what we see and read about?
Hogan was a wrestling icon in the 80s and the 90s and he eclipsed most other superstars in any federation without a doubt. Hogan does have a lot to bring to the table however, he would never have had his star power without the WWF/WWE. Im going now because Im about to watch Smackdown and get all my imformation wrong because i dont know the names of everybody who is backstage and what they have had for dinner.

Bottom line is this, like I said before, I have no problems with people who have opinions, but yeah I am going to shoot your points to smithereens when it comes to the things you have been saying, and why is that?

Simply put, you're not being constructive, so you think Hulk Hogan killed WCW, that's a little vague, give me the reasons you THINK that happened. You didn't elaborate on any of that, instead you just used a tired old bit of speculation that many other internet smarks have jumped on. So therefore your opinion holds no water, unless you got something to back it up with. Back up your opinions, because without having any merit or point behind what you're saying, your opinion in my view just sounds like everyone else's spiteful diatribes on this forum, because by and large that's what the majority of people are like on this thread.

I'm not saying you have to agree with me on anything I am saying, but give me some really strong counterpoints, I mean I gave you my reasoning for disagreeing with your point of view on Hulk Hogan killing WCW, I am not going to say for certain that he's totally innocent either, I myself was never there either to know for sure. So my opinion on why WCW is no more is that times had changed for the company and it's a good bet that AOL's merger with Time Warner didn't help matters. But I can also say in the same breath that yeah your big stars like your Hulk Hogans may not have helped the matter either, in regards to what this conglomerate was going to do with what many people would consider the "bastard child" of AOL Time Warner's corporate family.

For the record, I never said you were wrong necessarily as far as how you feel, but in expressing your point intelligently, you're damn right I think you're wrong. In my view, any post that lacks critical thinking and consideration of facts in backing up their opinion is someone that totally lacks credibility in my point of view.

So like I said man, give me a counterpoint and give me legit reasons for why you think things went south for WCW. Don't borrow everyone else's same answer unless you have something to add to why you feel that way.

Oh and as far as Hulk Hogan's star power goes, yeah I definitely think WWF/E helped take things to the next level for him, but considering how he was already gaining notoriety with Rocky III and had a major push in the AWA, I don't think that hurt anything either, and considering the fact that he can still hold a name for himself outside of World Wrestling Entertainment, says a lot about the guy, love him or hate him.

 

[Mitch Henessey]

Why should Hogan and Bischoff leave TNA? Before they got there, TNA didn't receive half the press,attention,and buzz that they have now. Many people believed TNA would NEVER even try to compete with WWE, but now that Hogan and Bischoff have arrived, it's happening. Just the mere presence of Hogan at a press conference announcing all of this sent shockwaves through the wrestling world.

Just try and give this some time. TNA has already become sort of a cult phenomenon among die hard wrestling fans, and mainstream wise (because of Hogan) they're also starting to get some attention.

 

[zion]

personally i can't stand the normal ring they use now, tna has lost one of it's unique stuff, thanks to hogan, and have made it more segment based than wrestling based since they have come, but no, they should not leave.........not yet anyway! These thing take time hogan and bisch have only been in charge for only a month, which is a very small amount of time so no not yet, let's see what they can do first.

 

[Maestro48239]

I've noticed a couple of naysayers pointing out how TNA doesnt have Turner's checkbook. IMO that doesnt really matter, it may have mattered then, but not now. Here's my reasoning:

1. when they started buying all of WWE's talent back around 96, thats all they really had, Star power, a lot of good matches and a ton of promos. but it still all came down to money, all the wrestlers got greedy. ever since WCW folded, how many of these guys make the money that Turner was paying, he was totally clueless about wrestling and just wanted to compete with Vince, since Vince wouldnt sell him WWF. Vince pays well i bet, but not like Turner did.

2. If, and probably, they build up this company without the huge payroll, they will have a purer product, not something that is tainted by just money. the wrestlers KNOW that this is a great opportunity to be on the ground floor of something that WILL be great, and a huge threat to WWE's dominance!

so I guess what I'm saying is this, it comes down to pride, and I know a lot of the TNA crew want to be the best, and are willing to work hard for it!

 

[The Pizzaman]

ok im gonna say this. TNA is Getting better. after all that i said earlier which i am going to stick to at the moment but i will admit that at the moment, it has progressed to a level of compulsive viewing and the fact that Hogan has finally shown that he can be trusted to run a company in his own right is applaudable. Bishoff however has not changed and is the same slimy slug he ever was, and is going at some point to try and overthrow Hogan and take over the company. He should not be trusted to run a jumble sale, let alone a wrestling company

 

[LUCYFUR]

tna was doing fine all by its self, and when hogan and bischoff where added to the mix i was like . as time went on the show started to lose my interest. Then after watching it for a bit i was like ok, its getting better. IMO tna could do without bischoff. bischoff should leave tna and there is hope for hogan yet we'll just have to see where this whole storyline goes..





*PEACE*

 

[Dagger Dias]

There is absolutely no reason for Hogan or Bischoff to leave TNA. They are big enough names to help TNA stand a chance when it goes up against WWE. Far more people are aware of TNA now that Hogan is in it, and those that tune in to watch who were fans of Bischoff will stick around to see more of him as well. I miss the 6 sided ring and the face/heel tunnels as much as the next fan, but those needed to be phased out to appeal more to the casual fans, the same people who weren't taking TNA seriously. Now they do, and that's partially because of Hogan and Bischoff. Getting rid of them shatters just about any chance TNA would have of surviving in a competition unless a miracle were to happen. So what if they resemble WCW? Anyone who remembers the monday night ratings war will recall that WCW was very successful, resembling them isn't a bad thing unless you're referring to stuff like Russo or Arquette, but that's getting off topic. Hogan and Bischoff should NOT leave TNA because they are among the biggest names associated with the company and will help bring in a TON of new fans for the federation by being there when people flip through channels.

 

[Mitch Cumstein]

Since they have been in TNA:

- Highest ratings of all time

- Signed Anderson, Hardy, RVD, Flair

- Permanently moved to Monday Nights

All that in a 2 month span. Now, somebody give me one intelligent reason why Hogan and Bischoff should leave TNA.

 

[Datdude2485]

Its really too soon to say right now. The new Monday Night War is upon us and some people are already bashing Eazy-E and Hogan wanting them to leave. Give it time people. Could you imagine before the Nitro debut in 1995 if Eazy-E and Hogan said lets give up. Lets not do this. Lets leave WCW and not go one-on-one with Monday Night Raw. We would have never had any of the great moments from WCW let alone the NWO. So give it time people. They made something work great once with Nitro. We should give them the benefit of the doubt. If it ends up not working down the road, then by all means...let the bashing begin!

 

[Tastycles]

Congratulations, you hae singlehandedly shown why the IWC is such a massive joke. TNA has had more hype, put on the best shows it ever has, gotten the best ratings it ever has, and is generally better than it used to be in so many ways in two months since their arrival. I think the move to Monday might be misguided, but the foundations they have laid have essentially taken TNA from a company that has the potential to be liked by the fanboys in this thread, to one that can gain some widespread appeal. TNA is putting on the best weekly shows of anyone since I started watching wrestling again in January 2008, and they are trying to improve. Are there problems? Of course there are, but if they sort out the roster size, they are on the right track to a quality promotion.

 

[UranageBackbreaker]

No, Hogan and Bischoff shouldn't leave.

I enjoy listening to Bischoff talking to that mysterious person on the phone, and make wise cracks about stupid ideas, like "celebrity guest hosts" (nice cheap shot) and making a "football league to compete with the NFL (XFL, anyone?)"

Personally, I'm loving seeing all my favorite wrestlers from the past come to TNA. Makes me wanna cry tears of joy *sniff* (Just kidding).

 

[PolkMoney863]

Yes, I think Hogan and Bischoff should leave.

1. Before debuting, they were talking about "Helping the young guys". Next thing you know, Scott Hall, Sean Waltman, Val Venus(I forgot his real name), Nasty Boys, etc. all debut with him. Not to mention that Rob Van Dam becomes TNA World Champion. "Helping the young guys" MY ASS!

2. They dumped the 6 Sided Ring which was pretty much the most unique thing that made TNA stand out from other wrestling companies.

3. That stupid bridge-like entrance ramp. (Which I noticed that they got rid of, so I don't know why I brought it up.)

4. They almost killed TNA by moving it to Monday Nights way too early.

The only thing I like what Hogan and Bischoff did, is the new stage, Logo animation, and theme (Although I prefer "Cross The Line" by AD/AM.) Hogan and Bischoff needs to LEAVE TNA ALONE!! It was just fine before they came along and f'cked everything up.

 

[rondiesel2005]

I think we should wait until one year and evaluate them both. on the day they make a debut the ratings weren't even over 2.0. If they helped the company, the ratings would be around 1.15 and try hard to increase it. here is the thing that puzzles me about Bischoff, it was like a couple weeks ago he said in the interview that depending on what day it is he do his job. So really there no specific job title from what am hearing. I also listen to on website "Right After Wrestling" they said the same thing that it seems like the only people that knows what's going on is Vince Russo

What I don't understand is why they don't see that some of the storylines weren't making any sense. I thought those two guys including Russo would just work together to help improve it's product. And every time they try to do that, it doesn't look like they would say "ok this doesn't sound right or this is not going to work". they look as if they just going with the flow.

Another thing i don't understand, TNA changed a lot when Hogan and Bischoff came to TNA, they got rid of 6 sided ring and everything they were doing and the people who they bring, who they thought was going to stay, some of them left or just can't cut it in TNA. Honestly it questions why is Hogan and Bischoff there and what are their goals, because it looks like everything is all over the place

 

[bullsgo]

Hogan and Bischoff should go out and start their own promotion. TNA's future and artistic vision is in the hands of Dixie Carter, and Dixie Carter alone. The fact is, Hogan and Bischoff are just high priced help with marginal input in the final product. TNA as a company will sink or swim in Dixie's hands. She's the benefactor and captain of the ship. You can't argue with that.

What if Hogan and Bischoff branched out on their own?

Imagine the buzz Hogan and Bischoff would create. There must be someone out there who'd be willing to invest in a new promotion, and a small to mid size network willing to broadcast it.

The WWE is in competition with the UFC and itself, therefore the real the competition right now is for the number two spot in the game. TNA is holding down that spot by default only. A solid company that's well backed could establish itself quickly and surpass TNA easily. If ROH had the resources and exposure of a TNA they would have likely established themselves as the legitimate #2. ROH's managing well on very little and the only thing keeping them at #3 is money and TV exposure.

TNA is yet to establish itself as a mainstream brand, which makes it very vulnerable if a well funded group decides to get into the game.

 

[hatehabsforever]

Forget Hogan and Bischoff leaving TNA anytime soon. Let's face it, they are going to be pivotal components of the whole "they" storyline. Either they will be a significant portion of "them," which is what I predict, or they will be leading the defense against the arrival of "them." They're not going anywhere.

Granted, they've contributed absolutely nothing tangible to TNA in terms of ratings, money, exposure, etc., In fact they may have made matters worse, building unrealistic expectations amongst their loyal fanbase, expectations that they could never achieve at this stage of their careers. But how much worse would it be if they all of a sudden left? What an admission of defeat, and what a void this would leave behind. TNA has put all of their eggs in one basket with these two guys, but in all reality, better to have scrambled eggs than an empty basket.

Start their own promotion? Who'd make up their roster? Sean Waltman? Scott Hall? Scott Steiner? The Nasty Boys? There's no one available who matters that they could build an organization around. No one is leaving WWE or even TNA to join these two geezers in a third-tier organization. What station would this new organization air on? Who'd provide the money? This may sound nice in theory but in all reality, it's all but impossible.

Hogan and Bischoff are not leaving Orlando anytime soon. Let's be realistic. On 10/10/10, prepare yourself for yet another reincarnation of the nWo.