TNA Without Hogan/Bischoff

[Brian in Austin]

WOW, that is a steaming pile of BS. Sounds to me like someone has a problem accepting critisizms of TNA. Sorry, but anyone who thinks TNA doesn't have issues is seriously delusional. And since you dislike smarks so much, why even bother trying to change their opinions? Obviously, you are entitled to believe whatever propaganda you want, but plz don't try and force that BS on anyone. While I do agree ppl always complain about TNA in one form or another, those said complaints should drive TNA to do better. If anything, it should open TNA's eyes to the fact that major overhauls and improvements are needed to move forward. Ignoring the problems tends to ruin whatever potential TNA has to truly be considered a unique brand. Until they realize that fact, TNA will continue to be obscure and without a loyal following. And whether you like it or not, acknowledging it's negative sides is the only way for TNA to break the current cycle of bad decisions they seem to be stuck in. Calling ppl smarks who complain is a convient way of dismissing any valid points that are raised. Effectively making you a counterproductive force in any discussion related to improving TNA for the better...

You know what the funniest part of his rants always is to me? He and guys like Eric Bischoff claim the IWC don't matter, YET, what do both do? Well EB goes on an interview and openly criticizes the IWC as do wrestlers employed by the company and Zion, well, he's here everyday complaining about the "irrelevan" IWC.

LOL

 

[Zeven_Zion]

You know what the funniest part of his rants always is to me? He and guys like Eric Bischoff claim the IWC don't matter, YET, what do both do? Well EB goes on an interview and openly criticizes the IWC as do wrestlers employed by the company and Zion, well, he's here everyday complaining about the "irrelevan" IWC.

LOL

I actually complain about the irrelevanT IWC, and why did you put it in quotes. Do you think we're relevant? Please for the love of Joe Pesci (10 bucks JJYanks got this reference) tell me you didn't just claim we're fucking relevant. I know you have your mental obstacles but this is hitting rock bottom and ending up in China.

 

[The Dragon Saga]

Hogan gone will just make TNA less-recognized. He's the most recognizable guy on the roster also when he came in some good talents followed, through all his illogical crap, Jeff Hardy hasn't beed a poor signing for the company and Mr. Anderson shined like a piece of gold from the moment he entered the iMPACT! Zone. If Hogan didn't join TNA whose to say they'd still have joined?

Eric Bischoff, through all his failed adventures through the years, and yes I am referencing WCW as one as it ultimately failed, still brings a wealth of knowledge to the company and once again, a guy who has numerous contacts within the business, who is respected at the end of the day whether you like or hate him, and he brings something that guys like Jim Cornette and others couldn't. Bischoff once had the WWE on its knees and he was nearly going to take it out for the kill.

Hogan being gone, saddens me. However I want and believe Eric will stay and continue to help TNA in the back which to me is good. Always liked Eric Bischoff personally, especially some of his views on the industry as you will read in his book. But will it drastically alter TNA? Will it bring back the TNA of old?

Way I personally see it, Jeff Jarrett needs to be handed back certain powers within the company. He did all the work in the beginning and up until his wife passed as well as when he began seeing Karen Angle. That is when people always seemed to love TNA, and the thing about it is, he was a filter for the guy everyone points their fingers at when shit goes wrong and that is Vince Russo.

To me, Eric and Hogan just let Russo write and they used what he came up with. Jeff Jarrett is known for being the guy that took what Russo wrote, looked over it and edited, filtered parts that he thought didn't belong and it made for such a great product TNA had in the early years. That is what I hope could happen.

Sad to see Hulk Hogan the character leave if it happens, happy to see Eric Bischoff as both a character and as a backstage figure will stay and excited at the prospect that there is a possibility somewhere that Dixie may hand the guy who found the company and made it so great in the beginning his power back, in Jeff Jarrett. But this doesn't affect TNA all that much.

 

[Rayne]

Bischoff once had the WWE on its knees and he was nearly going to take it out for the kill.

Holy freakin' HUGE misconception. During WCW's rise, the WWE never experienced a decline in viewership or house show attendance, nor did they ever scale back their live performances. What had happened was Vince McMahon had been indicted for selling steroids, causing most of the WWE's sponsors and advertisers to go running like hell. Without that money (a significant amount of their income- advertising and merchandising are where the money's at), they were forced to cut salaries and fire workers, leading towards the large scale exodus to WCW; where Eric Bischoff had just been given a blank check and told to buy what he needed.

Eric Bischoff didn't DO anything to the WWE. He was given money by Ted Turner to take advantage of competition which was in a weakened state. He didn't "nearly go for the kill", the WWE held an IPO to raise a bunch of cash to get through the diminished advertising money until the public relations campaign they ran brought back the sponsors and advertisers.

Eric Bischoff did take a promotion cobbled together from the debris of the territory era and make it the top promotion in the world for a couple of years. Even with an unlimited checkbook, that's not an easy task and stands as the one actual accomplishment of his career. But please, don't give him credit for being the guy who got to spend someone else's money to raid a promotion which was in trouble because its owner was facing criminal charges.

 

[nWo2]

Best case scenario we get more TV time for guys that NEED it such as AJ Styles, The Pope, Matt Morgan, Samoa Joe, Eric Young & Jeff Hardy.

We don't need Hogan, Flair, Bischoff, Sting playing out old WCWesque storylines every week. We get it. We got it 12 years ago and we stopped watching.

As long as younger guys get TV time why complain?

 

[IT Factor]

Holy freakin' HUGE misconception. During WCW's rise, the WWE never experienced a decline in viewership or house show attendance, nor did they ever scale back their live performances. What had happened was Vince McMahon had been indicted for selling steroids, causing most of the WWE's sponsors and advertisers to go running like hell. Without that money (a significant amount of their income- advertising and merchandising are where the money's at), they were forced to cut salaries and fire workers, leading towards the large scale exodus to WCW; where Eric Bischoff had just been given a blank check and told to buy what he needed.

Exactly. People give Bischoff too much credit. Watch "The Fall of WCW" dvd that WWE produced awhile back. You have people openly admitting that Bischoff incorportated alot of ideas he got from other people as his own. Such as using Universal Studios as their shooting base. Or taking their shows to big venues to maximize their brand. To my knowledge, Bischoff's only original ideas were turning Hogan heel and using established names to grow the brand. Everything else was simple concepts he borrowed from other feds or outright ripped off. Even the nWo angle was a concept Bischoff stole from New Japan.

Eric Bischoff didn't DO anything to the WWE. He was given money by Ted Turner to take advantage of competition which was in a weakened state. He didn't "nearly go for the kill", the WWE held an IPO to raise a bunch of cash to get through the diminished advertising money until the public relations campaign they ran brought back the sponsors and advertisers.

Again, I'm agreeing. Bischoff never truly had the opportunity to actually kill the WWE. He did manage to get good ratings and beat them for awhile, but, that ended as soon as his mismanagement of WCW caught up with him. Not to mention such brilliant ideas like bringing in Ed Ferrera[Oklahoma] & Vince Russo. Vince McMahon was caught off guard by the steroid scandal and lost sight of his business and WCW got lucky by doing something different. In the end, McMahon proved why he is the top dawg in wrestling/entertainment and why guys like Bischoff could only dream of being half the promoter Vince is and always will be.

Eric Bischoff did take a promotion cobbled together from the debris of the territory era and make it the top promotion in the world for a couple of years. Even with an unlimited checkbook, that's not an easy task and stands as the one actual accomplishment of his career. But please, don't give him credit for being the guy who got to spend someone else's money to raid a promotion which was in trouble because its owner was facing criminal charges.

I give the devil his due. Bischoff had good ideas that turned WCW around and made it profitable. Unfortunately, he cannot claim sole credit and responsibility for all of what made WCW work. He smartly listened to those who had more experience in wrestling and used their ideas with the few he had and made WCW a success story. It would've been more impressive if Bischoff had came up with his own ideas and done it on his own. He didn't though. He's smart to use good ideas, but, not the most brilliant mind in wrestling. The last few years he ran WCW proved he's no Vince McMahon. He was great in his own right but just not as long lasting as Vinnie Mac has been. I'm not sure there's a single promoter alive that can have as much staying power and Bischoff isn't in Vince's league.

 

[StraightEdgeRevenge]

Sorry guys but this thread just goes to show that few people know how to run a wrestling business.

Wrestling itself is fairly new only really successful for about 30 years. In that time we have seen few companies do well. WWE ECW WCW and TNA. You think it is silly to model your business strategy after WCW? They started otu competing against WWE and surpassed it. It's a great idea to copy the plan. And to be honest signing hogan and bischoff got me to watch. Now I watch TNA and not WWE because I like the show better.

What's holding TNA back? It has nothing to do with the quality of the show as wwe has been terribel this year.

It is simply
1. The wrestling Market has been dying over the past 10 years
2. Nobody knows about tna.

 

[LitasRevenge79]

Well, without Hogan and Bischoff, I think hopefully there could be more wrestling and less self centered drama revolving around those guys and Flair. I mean, if being a wrestler in Hogan/Flair/Bischoff's eyes mean starting crap and being paid obscene amounts of money and to have 30 minutes of wrestling on a 2 hours show, then I'm probably a wrestler already. Sure Hogan and Flair have the charisma and charm from their past accolades, but when is enough enough? I mean, It's to the point where you have non-wrestlers being paid so much more than those who do the 'wrestling' on Impact Wrestling. I thought that was the main purpose of the show for cryin out loud. Besides, I'm sure Hogan has enough to do with Half-Pint Brawlers 2, I mean Micro Championship Wrestling, or any other reality show he's going to do, and not to mention he's doing some show on Cartoon Network as well. He's not going to be hurting, I think TNA would be able to recover without him. All I Can say is that this may not be a love lost relationship. It almost may be a welcome back reunion for those that used to even be doubting Dixie's ability. Needless to say, I'm sure she's even wondering at this point, why she waited so long for this moment. At this point we can only sit with baited breath to see what really goes down after all is said and done. "HOPEFULLY" there is nowhere to go but up without Hogan/Bishoff.

 

[BigPoppaPunk]

You know what the funniest part of his rants always is to me? He and guys like Eric Bischoff claim the IWC don't matter, YET, what do both do? Well EB goes on an interview and openly criticizes the IWC as do wrestlers employed by the company and Zion, well, he's here everyday complaining about the "irrelevan" IWC.

LOL

The thing is, if he complains about the IWC, then he doesn't realize he is a part of that very majority. So, insulting yourself isn't my idea of an accomplishment. As far as guys like EB and Gunner, they walk around with some misconception like us fans don't matter. Funny, cause the last time I checked, we are the ones who pay them to do nothing. With that kind of logic, it's no wonder Impact sucks as much as it does. And ratings won't improve if you insult the ppl you are trying to target. Smarks may expect alot of wrestling, but it's our right to complain if something sucks and isn't being improved. In the end, if you don't listen to the fans, you'll more sooner than later be in the unemployment line. EB and Gunner clearly don't have the most basic of understandings about wrestling and shouldn't be judging anyone. One guy almost single handedly killed WCW with his massive ego, and the other is a street bum who couldn't draw or entertain to save his life. Who cares if he shot big guns in the military? Doesn't make you a big deal in wrestling and surely shouldn't qualify you to speak ignorantly.

As far as haters like Zion, he's clearly got anger management issues when it comes to constructive critisizm of TNA. Instead of actually discussing TNA's issues, he'd rather mock the ppl talking logically. So, I don't put much weight in his opinion or spend my time debating him.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

If Hogan and Bischoff leave TNA then that means two great things will happen. No more long promos from either one of them to take up time anymore. That means guys in the X Division will get more time like they deserve. The second thing is even better. Immortal will probably disband. Or perhaps that is wishful thinking.

I think that with Hogan and Bischoff gone it will lead to TNA pushing some of their own guys more such as the guys who were in Fortune. Gunner and Crimson will likely see their pushes continue as well. Veterans like Angle and Sting will be around to put over future stars. I think it will be better for TNA without Hogan or Bischoff because they need to focus on the younger guys and now they will have to.

1. They didn't focus much on the young guys when Hogan and Eric weren't even there.

2. Who exactly in the X Division that anyone gives a damn about isn't getting deserved time?

 

[Brian in Austin]

I actually complain about the irrelevanT IWC, and why did you put it in quotes. Do you think we're relevant? Please for the love of Joe Pesci (10 bucks JJYanks got this reference) tell me you didn't just claim we're fucking relevant. I know you have your mental obstacles but this is hitting rock bottom and ending up in China.

Once again I'll address your comments without insulting you but I have to ask. Why do you call people names and insult them? It's really quite unnecessary and doesn't advance your position a bit to do so.

Anyway, the reason I KNOW the IWC matters is because if it (we) didn't, a man in the position of Eric Bischoff wouldn't spend more than a minute on the subject. He'd answer it by saying something like "Well Mr.(insert interviewer name here), we really don't believe that the IWC is relevant to our business, it's direction, or the way we have run our business to date. Next question please." But he didn't do that did he? And their wrestlers don't do that do they? Face it...the social media networking system is a key ingredient for most sports and entertainment industries today, or they wouldn't be sharing their facebook and twitter page addresses with the public so much. The fact is that TNA/Impact Wrestling DOES care about the IWC because we are a source of feedback for what it is they produce. They do care because if they didn't, they wouldn't respond at all to what is being said by the IWC, yet it seems like almost several times a week they are responding in some form or fashion to something that's been rumored out in the IWC.

So yes Zion, we are relevant and they do care.

 

[Brian in Austin]

The thing is, if he complains about the IWC, then he doesn't realize he is a part of that very majority. So, insulting yourself isn't my idea of an accomplishment. As far as guys like EB and Gunner, they walk around with some misconception like us fans don't matter. Funny, cause the last time I checked, we are the ones who pay them to do nothing. With that kind of logic, it's no wonder Impact sucks as much as it does. And ratings won't improve if you insult the ppl you are trying to target. Smarks may expect alot of wrestling, but it's our right to complain if something sucks and isn't being improved. In the end, if you don't listen to the fans, you'll more sooner than later be in the unemployment line. EB and Gunner clearly don't have the most basic of understandings about wrestling and shouldn't be judging anyone. One guy almost single handedly killed WCW with his massive ego, and the other is a street bum who couldn't draw or entertain to save his life. Who cares if he shot big guns in the military? Doesn't make you a big deal in wrestling and surely shouldn't qualify you to speak ignorantly.

As far as haters like Zion, he's clearly got anger management issues when it comes to constructive critisizm of TNA. Instead of actually discussing TNA's issues, he'd rather mock the ppl talking logically. So, I don't put much weight in his opinion or spend my time debating him.

Look, I understand that Eric Bischoff has been able to carve out a career in television and successfully so. He wouldn't be there if he were failing as an individual in that regard. But it doesn't mean that his every move is perfect, smart, or above our comprehension to understand, or, most importantly, above criticism. With folks like Zion, it certainly appears that he believes the fans should have no voice whatsoever when it comes to criticizing something we don't like with TNA/Impact Wrestling. However, he has no problem in bashing WWE with every opportunity. So clearly, he has a biased point of view, so he's not really an objective voice, and I understand that. But it's just curious to me that constantly attacks those with a differing point of view, calls them names, and insults them as though that actually advances his point of view.

Sadly, I see this alot in our society today. Debate and discussion is a lost art and look no further than our elected officials for an example of just how far we've fallen as a society.

As for Gunner, I'll be concerned about what he has to say about the wrestling business when he is headlining cards and selling out places like the Superdome, or MSG. Until then, he's a mid-card hand at best, needs to vastly improve his mic skills and needs to understand that simply because he works in the business does not make him an expert IN the business. He is akin to an hourly worker.

 

[New Hot Fed]

Sorry guys but this thread just goes to show that few people know how to run a wrestling business.

Wrestling itself is fairly new only really successful for about 30 years. In that time we have seen few companies do well. WWE ECW WCW and TNA. You think it is silly to model your business strategy after WCW? They started otu competing against WWE and surpassed it. It's a great idea to copy the plan. And to be honest signing hogan and bischoff got me to watch. Now I watch TNA and not WWE because I like the show better.

What's holding TNA back? It has nothing to do with the quality of the show as wwe has been terribel this year.

It is simply
1. The wrestling Market has been dying over the past 10 years
2. Nobody knows about tna.

Yea but that's because the WWE doesn't have to do good things anymore, they are established. If TNA could be great enough that it would create a buzz everywhere amongst fandom, it could help them fiancialy, at least.

 

[New Hot Fed]

I've got a better question. Let's say Bischoff and Hogan hit the bricks.

Who are you going to complain about once they are gone?​

Let's face it. TNA wasn't a perfectly ran company with a perfectly ran product before they got there. In fact, at times, it was pretty fucking sad. See, all those dumbasses chanting "We want Six Sides" and "Fire Russo", chanting "Bullshit" when there's a finish their smarky brains can't stomach - these people are the representation of the TNA of old. That's what it was. A televised indy company which revolved around spots and athletic wrestlers nobody but the core audience gives a shit about or will ever give a shit about.

If you haven't noticed, that's the type of crap the IWC orgasms about. That's the people the smarks like. People who will never be major stars in this business for years to come. Bryan Danielson, Samoa Joe, AJ Styles (but he could change that), CM Punk (yes I fucking said it, he's a flop waiting to happen unless he turns off the smark and turns on the wrestler. Casual fans don't get this stuff you truck and that's at least 85% of your audience.), Daniels, Amazing Red, Petey fucking Williams, Tyler Black - the list goes on and on. Hell, I've heard someone say The Human Tornado could Main Event at WrestleMania. Give me a damn break.

But fine, Hogan and Bischoff are gone now. Who are you going to bitch about if the long promos remain? What'll happen if the product doesn't change aside from not having Hogan and Bischoff on the air? Is that really an improvement? Is that going to make you watch TNA from start to finish? The answer is no - no it won't. If you have your mind set on not liking what you're going to see on Thursday - guess what. You won't like what you see on Thursday. I don't care if Bischoff and Hogan are gone along with every WWE Reject and TNA brings back the six sided ring in one night to pitch Daniels vs AJ vs Joe for the World Title and have AJ win in a dominant fashion. You're still going to hate it and still find something to bitch about.

Look at the IWC's complaints back when Hogan and Bischoff weren't there. Same fucking shit as right now, different targets. If it's not Hogan - it's Dixie. If it's not Bischoff - it's Russo.

I pray to GOD that if Hogan and Bischoff leave the direction of the product will not change. The day TNA goes back to the stupid bullshit they were doing before that will be the day they'll anchor themselves to being number two for a long long fucking time. They won't die - nah, but they won't flourish either. And by number two I don't mean second to Vince. I mean shit.

My answer? Look at TNA pre-Hogan/EB. It was a great show, nobody was complaining about anything. You had a guy in Desmond Wolfe who was a star in the making, great at promos, great at wrestling, great character, over as Hell even if he was a face. Same thing with The Pope. The key is to get guys that can wrestle and talk, that have charisma and push them. You don't need old farths...but you don't need indie flip-floppers either. The proof is in the pudding: the old stars of any former WCW/WWE talents like RVD, Hardy and Anderson don't draw either. No buyrates or ratings improvement either. Hell I think these three guys come in, think it's gonna be easy in TNA and get lazy because everything is handed to them.

 

[Da Muddaship]

Angle came in and it was awesome too. I was a little let down when he beat Joe though because by that time I had grown to like Joe quite a bit.

I really believe this was the pivotal move that could have propelled TNA to at least Smackdown-level success. Ever since coming in from ROH, Joe had been an absolute beast and Angle was universally acknowledged as one of the (if not THE) best in the world, so he could have afforded to LOSE the first meeting. That one match could have legitimized the entire TNA roster in the eyes of both casual and hardcore fans.

If I was a lot younger I wouldn't probably know who they are and if I did I wouldn't care much. I agree that Hogan shouldn't be in the main event and probably not even Sting either at this point. As much as I associate those guys with my youth, and fun times watching wrestling with friends cheering for them they are old now and can get hurt. Especially in Hogans case where his back is messed up and he's in a brace. It saddens me to say that those days are over with and it is time to solidify who the next era of stars are going to be looking back on.

Sting can still go, but otherwise...Amen to that.

We won't have wrestling anymore unless something changes in both organizations. Smackdown is on it's way out I think. Not sure if Vince will handle seeing it get Impact ratings if they continue to slide down from 1.8s.. You can already see with having superstars on both shows they are getting ready to maybe shut it off the air.

The reason for the supershows is simple...the fall TV season and the NFL is here, and like every other show that brings in the special guest stars and super-special episodes, RAW is doing the same thing. Smackdown isn't going anywhere...except maybe to Tuesday nights. The live show was a smashing success, and I believe the 'E' is just waiting for the CW's lineup to keep drawing nothing on Tuesdays to ask for the slot.

It would be nice to see them show up and build the guys.. But I hate to say that anytime Hogan, Flair, Sting, or any legend of that era is around they will always over shadow the other younger guys if they are wrestling or the center of the storylines. Make them managers, General Managers, or announcers.

And this is what seperates the 'E' from TNA. There is one final word, and that word can tell a legend when they hit the door, "Happy to have you, but part of your job will be to build the next generation. We want to use your name for immediate star power, but make no mistake about it--you're here to keep the legacy going, the same way guys like Andre, Roddy, Dusty and Arn did for you. Capiche?" If the answer is no, you can always catch your favorite legend at the local VFW.

 

[BigPoppaPunk]

Look, I understand that Eric Bischoff has been able to carve out a career in television and successfully so. He wouldn't be there if he were failing as an individual in that regard. But it doesn't mean that his every move is perfect, smart, or above our comprehension to understand, or, most importantly, above criticism. With folks like Zion, it certainly appears that he believes the fans should have no voice whatsoever when it comes to criticizing something we don't like with TNA/Impact Wrestling. However, he has no problem in bashing WWE with every opportunity. So clearly, he has a biased point of view, so he's not really an objective voice, and I understand that. But it's just curious to me that constantly attacks those with a differing point of view, calls them names, and insults them as though that actually advances his point of view.

I never directly called him names or bashed him. What I did say however is that his view was BS and clearly biased. He thinks us fans should be happy with what we are given and not make observations about how TNA can improve. And to me, that is a laughable opinion to have. Fans have always dictated how wrestling is run ultimately and what direction they take. It's not him having a differing opinion I have a problem with, it's the ignorance that he's attempting to spread. I believe my own views are well backed by explainations and reasoning. Some may not agree with me, but I do attempt to discuss something objectively. TNA has flaws, and to claim it doesn't need improvements and major changes is turning a blind eye to the obvious.

Sadly, I see this alot in our society today. Debate and discussion is a lost art and look no further than our elected officials for an example of just how far we've fallen as a society.

You're right that debate and discussion is a lost ark, b/c guys like Zion attempt to censor it with ignorance. Why discuss something logically when you dismiss it out of hand? Then, when you call them out on it, guys like you claim ridiculously that someone is attacking him. I never attacked anyone, only want him to explain why us fans should have no voice. To me, censoring opinions is why debate and discussion is a lost art. Even though I disagree with Zion, I welcome his opinions in this discussion. Thus the reason I like to hear explainations as to why ppl have certain views. Giving insights into personal perspective and listening to all sides of an issue is truly artful debate. Censoring it or dismissing anyone's opinion but your own kills any intellectual discussion/debate.

As for Gunner, I'll be concerned about what he has to say about the wrestling business when he is headlining cards and selling out places like the Superdome, or MSG. Until then, he's a mid-card hand at best, needs to vastly improve his mic skills and needs to understand that simply because he works in the business does not make him an expert IN the business. He is akin to an hourly worker.

I totally agree with that entire statement. Gunner is clearly only kissing ass to better his position in TNA. B/c talent wise, Gunner isn't even worthy to hold the TV title, much less a World Title. If anything, his thoughts mean nothing to me until he can prove himself. He apparently has a limited understanding of how wrestling works. Fans pay you to earn a living and by trashing them, you alienate your main source of income. Not a smart move by someone who has such a high opinion of himself. Wrestling survived for years without his brilliance and I'm sure it will continue to do so long after his career fizzles out without any notice.

 

[Iwantwrestlingback!]

I definitly think TNA shouldn't sign Hogan back because he gets to much money and he wouldn't be a good guy to have behind the scenes because he doesn't know how to make a company get big he is only good at making himself get big. But with Bischoff I think he could be a good guy to have be behind the scenes more and for face time have him be more of a general manger type guy where you see him once in a while but not all the time. Also I think if you make Bischoff more of a back scenes you could get him to take a smaller pay check. Then after you do all that you would have all the extra money from no more Hogan and then some extra money from Bischoff taking a smaller pay check you could start using the money on more advertising and get someone into the front office that knows wrestling like J.R. (Yes I said this on another forum and I am a big believer in J.R.) who could start making the TNA decisions insted of Dixie just have Dixie thier for all the business stuff that she is good with. Then I think they should hire a new fresh writer that J.R. personally picks out and have him take Russo's job of writing all the storylines and make sure the new guy gets them approved with J.R. then since Dixie is so sold on Russo have him take a pay cut (mabey) when his contract expires and have him go into more of a role where the writers can go to him on questions if they need help with something and also I think Russo could train some good writers but have J.R. or someone in the front office to make sure the new writers that Russo would train know that he is just a stepping stone and they need to go with some new fresh idea's that they think of. I also think if you put J.R. with the advertising it could bring in more business since everyone knows who J.R. is.

 

[Iwantwrestlingback!]

You're right that debate and discussion is a lost ark, b/c guys like Zion attempt to censor it with ignorance. Why discuss something logically when you dismiss it out of hand? Then, when you call them out on it, guys like you claim ridiculously that someone is attacking him. I never attacked anyone, only want him to explain why us fans should have no voice. To me, censoring opinions is why debate and discussion is a lost art. Even though I disagree with Zion, I welcome his opinions in this discussion. Thus the reason I like to hear explainations as to why ppl have certain views. Giving insights into personal perspective and listening to all sides of an issue is truly artful debate. Censoring it or dismissing anyone's opinion but your own kills any intellectual discussion/debate.

I 100% agree with this and this reason right here is the reason I didn't make an account for so long on this site. I just want people on this site to let other people have an opinion without saying its "stupid" or "saying you don't know what your talking about" I am always reading these forum's and always reading other people opinion and even if I completly disagree with what they are saying I still respect their opinion because I know people will completly disagree with me and I would like to have the same respect of them on my opinion. I am glad I finally see someone touch on this subject and hopefully us saying things like this will help people on this site learn to respect other people's opinion. I mean all they have to do is read my signature!

 

[BigPoppaPunk]

I 100% agree with this and this reason right here is the reason I didn't make an account for so long on this site. I just want people on this site to let other people have an opinion without saying its "stupid" or "saying you don't know what your talking about" I am always reading these forum's and always reading other people opinion and even if I completly disagree with what they are saying I still respect their opinion because I know people will completly disagree with me and I would like to have the same respect of them on my opinion. I am glad I finally see someone touch on this subject and hopefully us saying things like this will help people on this site learn to respect other people's opinion. I mean all they have to do is read my signature!

That's the thing here at wrestling forums and other internet wrestling sites. Ppl want to state their opinions as fact, then take it so personally when anyone disagrees or tries to add a unique view. It's counterproductive to the whole premise of discussing or debating someone or something with an open mind. If you already enter a topic with a closed minded or narrow view of an issue, why bother trying to debate someone with logic? Logic means you are willing to discuss something openly and view something from multiple viewpoints. IMO, it takes an objective person to be willing to share his/her views while also acknowledging it's open to interpretation. Unfortunately, I think very few ppl who frequent internet sites are willing to admit that opinion isn't fact. A very sensitive issue which normally leads to flaming, trolling, or all out stupidity. A real shame that society today has lost the artform of discussion/debate when that's precisely what these forums where established for(or that's my own assumption of why these places are created). The internet in most cases is such a shallow form of socializing.