Should Hulk Hogan Just Leave TNA and Go Independent?

No offense intended here, but I'd like to address some of your comments.
First, Hulk Hogan has, for a long time now, been about Hulk Hogan. In fact, I'd venture to guess he'd admit that and probably say he's been that way since he was a rookie in the business. As to his personal life, that's on him. He made that bed, and then put it on television. If he (or his fans) don't like his getting negative attention, he need look no further than his bathroom mirror to find the guy responsible for it. As to his children. Geniuses? Seriously? Dude, I'm not here to bash his kids, but geniuses they aren't. One was so stupid he caused the death of another person because they were street racing. (ENORMOUSLY STUPID!!!) The other thought she could sing and embarked on what is now a failed singing career. Other than that...she's famous for being Hogan's daughter. She's yet to carve out a career of her own, or to prove she is an educated person. In fact, if we're to believe the way she was portrayed on Hogan Knows Best, she's far from the sharpest knife in the drawer. If not, and she 'played' that role for the camera, then she's dumber than I thought.

As for his back surgeries. A product of his wrestling far too much, for far too long. Perhaps he needed the money. Maybe he couldn't walk away. Whatever the reason, he made those choices and suffered the consequences of them. I hardly feel sorry for a man who has probably been a millionaire several times over.

1. If you're not in any business for yourself to a large extent, you're doomed to fail and fail badly. This is not a charity factory, it's not a humanitarian dream. How can you convince millions people that you're the man if you don't consider yourself to be the man? Eh? This is not RVD we're talking about. It's Hulk Hogan.

Hogan's the only one who has spoken on having a big ego. Hogan gets all the heat in the world for being proud of what he did, which by the by is something NO ONE ELSE has ever done or will do. So you basically blame a guy for being extremely proud of himself for accomplishing something that will most likely never be repeated? No? Okay, I can understand that.

So then your problem is him allowing his ego to shadow his judgement and not allow guys to go over him? That's a fair reason to dislike him even though we have zero proof that Hogan actually refused to let people go over. It never dawned upon you that 99% of the time he was simply booked to win? Hogan was a superhero. He was the epitome of larger than life. You don't have Superman get demolished by Aquaman, Robin and The Flash just because they're cool, do you?

But now let's look at someone else. Shawn Michaels. Shawn is a guy who has refused to job time and time again before he was "saved". Again, we have zero proof of that, but if you're going to pretend as if you know, so am I. So Shawn is a guy who has a huge ego as well and has spoken about it. Shawn's a bigger douchebag than Hogan and has been even after his return to the ring in 2002. Shawn's a well-known junkie, alchoholic, shit stirrer and an all-round drama queen of politics. He's the asshole that was a part of The Kliq, and he's nowhere NEAR Hogan's level of success and stardom.

Yet Hogan gets shat on for being an egomaniac, for not letting people beat him, for being a douche and HBK's crap goes unnoticed? I wonder if everyone would be jumping on HBK's dick right now if HE went to WCW and Hogan came back to the WWF. Just saying, there are people who treat Hogan as a traitor. At least no one beating Hogan outright can be easily explained. Character protection. You don't see Cena putting anyone over, right? And he won't until his name means something.

I'm just saying - Hogan's not the only guy with such traits as arrogance, egomania and douchebaggery. He's the only one that was stupid enough to allow people to find out about it.

2. I never called his children geniuses. Re-read my post.

3. His back surgeries? You're blaming a guy for wrestling far too much for far too long? Is that why Edge retired? It never occured to you that the guy simply has a bad back which got worse over the years? I'm 21 and I have a bad lower back. I can't do squats to save my dick. Imagine if I was wrestling. Landing on that damn thing once a week would mess me up when I'm over 40 let alone Hogan. Wrestlers work through injuries no matter how bad they are. Believe it or not, that doesn't help the case.

So gee, let me think. Let's use logic here. Hogan is a 6'7'', around 300 pounds monster and he spent about a decade jumping in the air and landing on his ass night after night. He slammed Andre The Giant which also didn't help the situation. All that pressure on his back was BOUND to be a pain in the ass for the rest of his life. He knew what he was getting into by simply being in this business.

But no, fuck logic, fuck basic human anatomy, fuck common sense, it's Hulk Hogan and we must hate. He wrestled too much for too long because he's got a massive ego and can't let it go and Nick is a dingleberry!!!1!

If never knowing when to stop is the reason why Hogan's back is so messed up, then how come Flair can still go out there and put on a match? He's not as bad as Hogan.

And if never knowing when to stop leads to you breaking yourself in half, how come I don't see you crapping all over The Undertaker? Well little do you know, 'Taker's injuries are not because he never knows when to stop. Undertaker's 46. Hogan was 46 in 2000 and he could still go unlike 'Taker who will most likely die if he does more than two matches a year these days.

Low and behold, the reason why Undertaker has to retire as soon as possible is not him pushing himself to the limit. It's easy to figure out using your BRAIN. Taker has bad knees. Why? Well he's also a tall guy who weighs a lot and that puts a lot of pressure on them lanky knees but he's not THAT old. Like I said, he's 46. He's as old as HBK and HBK can go like a motherfucker even with that "bad back". I put it in " " because HBK's always been a sissy. If your back was so bad you wouldn't be able to do moonsaults to the outside, boy toy.

But anyway, wrestling too much and for too long certainly didn't help his injuries, but it's not like Hogan would've been healthy as a horse if he stopped wrestling in 1998. He was already messed up by that point.

So how do you ignore HBK's douchebaggery and harp on Hogan's? How come you ignore Undertaker wrestling for too long but it seems to be such a huge issue with Hogan? You're telling me that you would have the exact same opinion of Hulk Hogan if he was an on-air personality on RAW instead of Impact Wrestling?

Let's face it man, there's not a fan out there who wouldn't love to hear either Voo-Doo Child or Real American blast through the PA System and have Hogan walk out, do his ******ed air guitar, tear that shirt and do his thing at 50, 40 or 30. It holds a special place in a lot of our hearts. The problem is some people only enjoy Hogan when he's working for their brand and remain willfully ignorant to his flaws and his age. His age was never a factor when he was in the WWE. The crowd was going nuts for him and he got the freaking belt. All he does now is cut a promo on Impact Wrestling and he's treated as if he raped someone's mother. Give me a break. I enjoy Hogan when he's working for ANY brand. The guy's a legend, have some respect for crying out loud.

People say that guys like him need to go, I say the day guys like him, Flair and Sting are gone for good is the day this business will lose a whole lot more than three old people.
 
What the hell is the OP on about? Basically YOU don't like Hulk Hogan, so I'm assuming you don't even watch TNA? Because anyone who does watch iMPACT Wrestling will know he's done wonders for that promotion. As soon as they start filming on the road on a regular occurance (which seems to be happening) they will be a Major League Wrestling Promotion! And when I started watching TNA (2008) they seemed like nothing more than a decent Indy Promotion. How long has Hulk Hogan been in TNA? And he's done all that already!

Hulk Hogan was the best thing to ever happen to that company, period. And before anyone points to the ratings from the Neilson thing, which I believe doesn't even include all US homes? There are other things to consider in the progression TNA have made since Hogan and Bischoff arrived and most certainly other ways of watching iMPACT Wrestling.

The rise in the quality of the production has been huge. Go back and watch one of those shows with the two crappy tunnels and then watch a recent episode. The set for their live iMPACT! in North Carolina made them look like a legit Wrestling Promotion. And as I mentioned earlier, as soon as they film on the road they become Major League.

The rise in the quality of the product has also been pretty darn impressive. Yes I will admit the matches were more fast paced and exiciting prior to Hogan's arrival. But what did those matches mean? A lot of the time they were just fast paced, exciting matches. And don't get me wrong, two of my favourite wrestlers are Rob Van Dam and AJ Styles so I'm obviously a fan of that style. I just don't remember watching iMPACT! on the net prior to Hogan's arrival. I used to just wait until it was shown on the TV over here. But now I watch it as soon as I can really, because I want to see what happens.

The roster is a lot stronger now than in 2009. Not just the additions but also a lot of the 2009 roster have improved. And I don't mean their spot in the company, I mean them as professional wrestlers. AJ Styles is not quite the main guy anymore, but he's certainly improved on his mic skills and his storytelling in the ring. What the hell has happened to Bubba Ray? He's now one of the best heels out there, instead of doing the tag team thing he'd done to it's best and fullest. Even an Icon like Sting is more interesting now than he's been in years. They've also added some great talent like RVD, Mr Anderson, Austin Aries, Brian Kendrick and Gunner.

At the end of the day, TNA are a hell of a lot better off now than they were in December 2009. They're now a growing company (in general, I don't know specifics on finances) rather than a steady one. And none of that would have been possible without the Immortal Hulk Hogan!

And I'd personally like to thank Hulk Hogan for providing me with the two biggest mark out moments since I started watching wrestling again. Rob Van Dam's debut on iMPACT! And the Outsiders reuniting at Lockdown.
 
To all the morons saying Hulk Hogan isn't relevant anymore, please explain to me why president Obama used Hogans real American theme and even had footage of Hogan on the screen during the correspondants dinner. They didn't show John cena or Austin or rock or anybody else while showing things of America, but lo and behold there was Some Hulk footage right there being shown with mount rushmore among some Chicago sports moments and others.
 
Hulk Hogan is fine where he is at. Plus they can't just randomly write him off of tv it wouldn't make any sense. I prefer for him to continue and finish his story line with Sting and after Bound for Glory he should stay behind the scenes not go off and try to start his own company.
 
1. If you're not in any business for yourself to a large extent, you're doomed to fail and fail badly. This is not a charity factory, it's not a humanitarian dream. How can you convince millions people that you're the man if you don't consider yourself to be the man? Eh? This is not RVD we're talking about. It's Hulk Hogan.

Hogan's the only one who has spoken on having a big ego. Hogan gets all the heat in the world for being proud of what he did, which by the by is something NO ONE ELSE has ever done or will do. So you basically blame a guy for being extremely proud of himself for accomplishing something that will most likely never be repeated? No? Okay, I can understand that.

So then your problem is him allowing his ego to shadow his judgement and not allow guys to go over him? That's a fair reason to dislike him even though we have zero proof that Hogan actually refused to let people go over. It never dawned upon you that 99% of the time he was simply booked to win? Hogan was a superhero. He was the epitome of larger than life. You don't have Superman get demolished by Aquaman, Robin and The Flash just because they're cool, do you?

But now let's look at someone else. Shawn Michaels. Shawn is a guy who has refused to job time and time again before he was "saved". Again, we have zero proof of that, but if you're going to pretend as if you know, so am I. So Shawn is a guy who has a huge ego as well and has spoken about it. Shawn's a bigger douchebag than Hogan and has been even after his return to the ring in 2002. Shawn's a well-known junkie, alchoholic, shit stirrer and an all-round drama queen of politics. He's the asshole that was a part of The Kliq, and he's nowhere NEAR Hogan's level of success and stardom.

Yet Hogan gets shat on for being an egomaniac, for not letting people beat him, for being a douche and HBK's crap goes unnoticed? I wonder if everyone would be jumping on HBK's dick right now if HE went to WCW and Hogan came back to the WWF. Just saying, there are people who treat Hogan as a traitor. At least no one beating Hogan outright can be easily explained. Character protection. You don't see Cena putting anyone over, right? And he won't until his name means something.

I'm just saying - Hogan's not the only guy with such traits as arrogance, egomania and douchebaggery. He's the only one that was stupid enough to allow people to find out about it.

2. I never called his children geniuses. Re-read my post.

3. His back surgeries? You're blaming a guy for wrestling far too much for far too long? Is that why Edge retired? It never occured to you that the guy simply has a bad back which got worse over the years? I'm 21 and I have a bad lower back. I can't do squats to save my dick. Imagine if I was wrestling. Landing on that damn thing once a week would mess me up when I'm over 40 let alone Hogan. Wrestlers work through injuries no matter how bad they are. Believe it or not, that doesn't help the case.

So gee, let me think. Let's use logic here. Hogan is a 6'7'', around 300 pounds monster and he spent about a decade jumping in the air and landing on his ass night after night. He slammed Andre The Giant which also didn't help the situation. All that pressure on his back was BOUND to be a pain in the ass for the rest of his life. He knew what he was getting into by simply being in this business.

But no, fuck logic, fuck basic human anatomy, fuck common sense, it's Hulk Hogan and we must hate. He wrestled too much for too long because he's got a massive ego and can't let it go and Nick is a dingleberry!!!1!

If never knowing when to stop is the reason why Hogan's back is so messed up, then how come Flair can still go out there and put on a match? He's not as bad as Hogan.

And if never knowing when to stop leads to you breaking yourself in half, how come I don't see you crapping all over The Undertaker? Well little do you know, 'Taker's injuries are not because he never knows when to stop. Undertaker's 46. Hogan was 46 in 2000 and he could still go unlike 'Taker who will most likely die if he does more than two matches a year these days.

Low and behold, the reason why Undertaker has to retire as soon as possible is not him pushing himself to the limit. It's easy to figure out using your BRAIN. Taker has bad knees. Why? Well he's also a tall guy who weighs a lot and that puts a lot of pressure on them lanky knees but he's not THAT old. Like I said, he's 46. He's as old as HBK and HBK can go like a motherfucker even with that "bad back". I put it in " " because HBK's always been a sissy. If your back was so bad you wouldn't be able to do moonsaults to the outside, boy toy.

But anyway, wrestling too much and for too long certainly didn't help his injuries, but it's not like Hogan would've been healthy as a horse if he stopped wrestling in 1998. He was already messed up by that point.

So how do you ignore HBK's douchebaggery and harp on Hogan's? How come you ignore Undertaker wrestling for too long but it seems to be such a huge issue with Hogan? You're telling me that you would have the exact same opinion of Hulk Hogan if he was an on-air personality on RAW instead of Impact Wrestling?

Let's face it man, there's not a fan out there who wouldn't love to hear either Voo-Doo Child or Real American blast through the PA System and have Hogan walk out, do his ******ed air guitar, tear that shirt and do his thing at 50, 40 or 30. It holds a special place in a lot of our hearts. The problem is some people only enjoy Hogan when he's working for their brand and remain willfully ignorant to his flaws and his age. His age was never a factor when he was in the WWE. The crowd was going nuts for him and he got the freaking belt. All he does now is cut a promo on Impact Wrestling and he's treated as if he raped someone's mother. Give me a break. I enjoy Hogan when he's working for ANY brand. The guy's a legend, have some respect for crying out loud.

People say that guys like him need to go, I say the day guys like him, Flair and Sting are gone for good is the day this business will lose a whole lot more than three old people.

This is one of the most well thought out posts I have ever read. THANK YOU for that.


I think hogan to the indies is laughable.. he needs to stay in TNA, he can turn it around.. he helped make AWA popular, WWF, and WCW popular.. he can do it again in TNA. Over seas TNA is bank.. it will take time here in the US. But I believe in Hogan he is the living legend.

Hell production wise TNA looks 1000 times better NOW than it did in 2009, the ring, entrances, music etc all look better.
 
No offense intended here, but I'd like to address some of your comments.
First, Hulk Hogan has, for a long time now, been about Hulk Hogan. In fact, I'd venture to guess he'd admit that and probably say he's been that way since he was a rookie in the business. As to his personal life, that's on him. He made that bed, and then put it on television. If he (or his fans) don't like his getting negative attention, he need look no further than his bathroom mirror to find the guy responsible for it. As to his children. Geniuses? Seriously? Dude, I'm not here to bash his kids, but geniuses they aren't. One was so stupid he caused the death of another person because they were street racing. (ENORMOUSLY STUPID!!!) The other thought she could sing and embarked on what is now a failed singing career. Other than that...she's famous for being Hogan's daughter. She's yet to carve out a career of her own, or to prove she is an educated person. In fact, if we're to believe the way she was portrayed on Hogan Knows Best, she's far from the sharpest knife in the drawer. If not, and she 'played' that role for the camera, then she's dumber than I thought.

As for his back surgeries. A product of his wrestling far too much, for far too long. Perhaps he needed the money. Maybe he couldn't walk away. Whatever the reason, he made those choices and suffered the consequences of them. I hardly feel sorry for a man who has probably been a millionaire several times over.

Brian, like I've told ya before man, got all the love in the world for your opinions even if we don't always agree with everything that's said on here, Hulk Hogan in my opinion has had some negative light shine on him no doubt, there's no arguing with you on that, and I think the nature of the beast in the entertainment business be it professional wrestling or Hollywood (pardon the pun) calls for one to have a larger than life persona that is fed by ego.

However, I have to take a moment to point out the situation with John Graziano and Nicholas Bollea. Now I in no way, shape or form condone the actions of what happened with Nick and the accident, however John Graziano was a United States Marine and having been an eight year United States Marine Corps veteran, I am of an authority to speak on this situation to some extent. Lance Corporal Graziano before being rendered incapacitated from this unfortunate accident was a 22 Year old Iraqi War veteran. As a United States Marine he is under a different standard of conduct than any civilian in this country is. Had John Graziano not been injured severely in the accident with Nick Hogan, I can guarantee you that by allowing himself to be under the influence with a 17 year old who at the time was obviously a minor according to his age, John Graziano would have met reprisal.

The Uniformed Code of Military Justice which tries Marines accused of criminal activity of any kind would have charged Lance Corporal Graziano with conduct unbecoming of a United States Marine not to mention contributing to the delinquency of a minor, the way the Military sees it even as a passenger in the car allowing a 17 year old to be under the influence and operating a motor vehicle has gotten Marines in trouble before. I have seen many a fellow Marine sadly enough find themselves in similar situations where they have had to answer for their conduct or lack thereof. This included Marines I merely knew in passing and sadly even close friends.

While we can question Hulk Hogan's family life, and while I can understand Lance Corporal Graziano's relationship with a celebrity figure being an eventuating circumstance to some people, as far as the eyes of Military Law see is that point is moot. Lance Corporal Graziano had he not been incapacitated from this accident would have been held accountable for his role in this occurrence. Even though Nick Bollea himself was not a member of the Armed Forces, Graziano's actions would have forced the military's hands in trying him for such a crime, while I syempathize with a fellow United States Marine, I can't help but be disappointed in his choices. Holding any resentment towards the Bollea family is not something I can do in good conscious especially when I consider the five year age difference between Nick and Graziano. And most importantly the fact that Lance Corporal Graziano took an oath of enlistment when he obligated himself to serve this country as a member of the United States Marines.
 
What the hell is the OP on about? Basically YOU don't like Hulk Hogan, so I'm assuming you don't even watch TNA? Because anyone who does watch iMPACT Wrestling will know he's done wonders for that promotion. As soon as they start filming on the road on a regular occurance (which seems to be happening) they will be a Major League Wrestling Promotion! And when I started watching TNA (2008) they seemed like nothing more than a decent Indy Promotion. How long has Hulk Hogan been in TNA? And he's done all that already!

Hulk Hogan was the best thing to ever happen to that company, period. And before anyone points to the ratings from the Neilson thing, which I believe doesn't even include all US homes? There are other things to consider in the progression TNA have made since Hogan and Bischoff arrived and most certainly other ways of watching iMPACT Wrestling.

The rise in the quality of the production has been huge. Go back and watch one of those shows with the two crappy tunnels and then watch a recent episode. The set for their live iMPACT! in North Carolina made them look like a legit Wrestling Promotion. And as I mentioned earlier, as soon as they film on the road they become Major League.

The rise in the quality of the product has also been pretty darn impressive. Yes I will admit the matches were more fast paced and exiciting prior to Hogan's arrival. But what did those matches mean? A lot of the time they were just fast paced, exciting matches. And don't get me wrong, two of my favourite wrestlers are Rob Van Dam and AJ Styles so I'm obviously a fan of that style. I just don't remember watching iMPACT! on the net prior to Hogan's arrival. I used to just wait until it was shown on the TV over here. But now I watch it as soon as I can really, because I want to see what happens.

The roster is a lot stronger now than in 2009. Not just the additions but also a lot of the 2009 roster have improved. And I don't mean their spot in the company, I mean them as professional wrestlers. AJ Styles is not quite the main guy anymore, but he's certainly improved on his mic skills and his storytelling in the ring. What the hell has happened to Bubba Ray? He's now one of the best heels out there, instead of doing the tag team thing he'd done to it's best and fullest. Even an Icon like Sting is more interesting now than he's been in years. They've also added some great talent like RVD, Mr Anderson, Austin Aries, Brian Kendrick and Gunner.

At the end of the day, TNA are a hell of a lot better off now than they were in December 2009. They're now a growing company (in general, I don't know specifics on finances) rather than a steady one. And none of that would have been possible without the Immortal Hulk Hogan!

And I'd personally like to thank Hulk Hogan for providing me with the two biggest mark out moments since I started watching wrestling again. Rob Van Dam's debut on iMPACT! And the Outsiders reuniting at Lockdown.

The rise of the quality of the promotion? When did Hogan do that? I've watched TNA since freakin 2002 and in no way shape or form Hogan made the product better. Hell late 2009 just before he came was probably TNA's best in 5 years. Then he came in and everything came crashing down. RVD, Gunner and Murphy and Rob Terry and Crimson and Anderson are not considered quality in my book.

-You had the "They" bore. months and months of this.
-The Immortal fiasco at Bound for Glory.
-Hardy wrestling high, making the most embarassing World title embarassment in TNA's history
-Old guys like the Nasty Boys and the Outsiders and Bloody Flair all hugging the spoltight
-Joe's losing streak
-Angle vs Jarrett. Horrible storyline for months.

And on and on.

I'm not saying there wasn't good things done under Hogan. I think ReAction for example for innovative. Especially that ReAction right after Fourtune assaulted EV2. That was classic. And TNA has gotten better lately. But to say that TNA is BETTER is far fetched. It has as much flaws and good things as the previous years.

As a former nWo mark I wished Hogan and EB would come here and worked their magic, Hell I was sure they would shake things up and it would be another revolution but none of it happened, sadly.
 
The rise of the quality of the promotion? When did Hogan do that? I've watched TNA since freakin 2002 and in no way shape or form Hogan made the product better. Hell late 2009 just before he came was probably TNA's best in 5 years. Then he came in and everything came crashing down. RVD, Gunner and Murphy and Rob Terry and Crimson and Anderson are not considered quality in my book.

I guess the rise in quality of the product is subjective as it's down to personal opinion. I think it's a lot better now, you think it's worse. Neither of us are right I guess and neither of us are wrong. So RVD, Mr Anderson, Gunner and Crimson are not considered quality in your book (I'll agree with Rob Terry and Murphy but when are they even on the show?) but Samoa Joe is?


-You had the "They" bore. months and months of this.
-The Immortal fiasco at Bound for Glory.

I was really intrigued by the "They" storyline and was really looking forward to the reveal at Bound for Glory. So that was good storytelling IMO.

-Hardy wrestling high, making the most embarassing World title embarassment in TNA's history.

It was basically a squash match, not ideal but also not a huge drama as the rest of the card was pretty decent. If you don't read the dirtsheets, you'd have no idea Hardy was "high".

-Old guys like the Nasty Boys and the Outsiders and Bloody Flair all hugging the spoltight.

They may be "old guys" to you, but to others they are legends and got great joy out of seeing them again. Like I mentioned, the Outsiders reuniting at Lockdown was the best moment in wrestling for me since I started watching it again. Who cares if Scott Hall is a fat drunk, he's Scott freaking Hall! If it was some fat dude named Steve Hall, yea I wouldn't give a shit. But it weren't it was Scott Hall.

-Joe's losing streak.

Face up to the facts. Joe is in exactly the spot his talent warrants. He's not a main eventer, he's a low mid carder.

-Angle vs Jarrett. Horrible storyline for months.

One of the greatest storylines in recent wrestling history for me. It had everything. Maybe you like the idea of face a vs. heel b, I don't. I like an angle to have emotion, a back story, and a conclusion.

I'm not saying there wasn't good things done under Hogan. I think ReAction for example for innovative. Especially that ReAction right after Fourtune assaulted EV2. That was classic. And TNA has gotten better lately. But to say that TNA is BETTER is far fetched. It has as much flaws and good things as the previous years.

As a former nWo mark I wished Hogan and EB would come here and worked their magic, Hell I was sure they would shake things up and it would be another revolution but none of it happened, sadly.

Once again that's your opinion, mine differs.
 
What they need to do is fire Hogan and Bishoff soley for the way they handled the Jeff Hardy BS. Anderson naturally comes across as a heel and has a good work ethic to boot. Flair looks like Hogan's father, he just looks so old and the fact that they (Hogan, Bishoff, Flair) get more TV time than most of the roster is sickening. I do realize you need to give them enough Camera time to work the Immortal Faction, but enough is enough. Now if they brought Russo in and had Immortal VS SEX that would be fun to see. I mean all of those guys (Hogan, Bishoff, Flair, Russo) have such huge ego's who would win? Who would get more TV time?
 

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