Sam, Coco, Barbosa, NorCal, and J-Glass discuss esoteric shows

[Coco]

I agree with the sentiment of the Rolling Stone quote. I imagine if there is a third season, HBO gets a little more hands-on than they normally would with their showrunners.

Still, with more lead characters and him bending over backwards to ensure there were "strong female parts," I maintain that he stepped well outside his comfort zone.

Having a partner would do a lot of ensure he doesn't crawl up his ass worrying about what people are saying about him.

Worst case scenario: One-trick pony. But it was a pretty great trick.

I agree with Fury Road being not much more than a good, fun action flick. But when something is executed that well, I tend to set pretentiousness aside.

Creed was rockin'. I dug Rocky Balboa, but this was easily the best since the original. And they set up a couple potential matches for future Creed films. Of course I'd like to see a more heavyweight name brought in for a main event level fight.

And I loved Birdman too. Went out of my way to see it before it got its wide release. If I made a longer list, it'd have probably been next.

That or Winter Soldier.

Don't look at me like that.

 

[jmt225]

That or Winter Soldier.

Don't look at me like that.

Haha, no judgement. I actually don't like either of the Captain America films, despite really trying to force myself to do so. With that said though, the trailer for the newest one blew me away like I never expected. I'm definitely going to catch that one at the theater (come to think of it, I still need to see The Avengers 2).

I also loved Guardians of the Galaxy from last year too, after expecting that I was going to hate it. But I had more fun watching that film than any other comic book movie I've ever watched. Still can't believe how much I enjoyed it.

 

[Coco]

I dug the trailer for Civil War, but I'm semi-worried by how much it focused on Bucky. There's a good discussion to be had between MCU Tony and MCU Steve if they frame it properly (will get into that upon request; don't wanna rant). But there's no indication they will.

Still, the Russo bros gave me the best action the MCU has had to offer so far, so I'll take anything they have to offer right now.

How do you feel about that statement? Feel how you will about Cap's viewpoint/idealism or the political thriller Winter Solider tried to provide, did you at least dig the action? 'Cause I've seen that thing three times now, and it's still got some punch to it.

Lord. With me loving TV and movies like I do, you'd think I'd have expanded my vocabulary by now...

Guardians was king-sized. I can't believe that they made the trigger-happy raccoon and the talking tree work on screen. I'll be curious to see how that gang functions when thrown into an over-crowded Avengers film.

FWIW, some of the best water-cooler talk I've had over the last year has been Marvel-related. When does this bubble burst?

 

[jmt225]

How do you feel about that statement? Feel how you will about Cap's viewpoint/idealism or the political thriller Winter Solider tried to provide, did you at least dig the action? 'Cause I've seen that thing three times now, and it's still got some punch to it.

Honestly, I saw it the day it came out on DVD, so that had to be the summer of 2014, about 18 months ago? And I watched it that one time, and that was it. I'm really having trouble finding anything memorable about it. I had a friend who told me that it was the best comic book movie he had ever seen at that point, so I think that may have ruined it for me, just the high expectations of being blown away like I was with the first Avengers movie. And it just didn't compare and all I know is that I had "meh" feeling about it after watching it. And the fact that I'm having so much trouble trying to remember the film must say exactly how I felt about it. With that in mind though, I still have the DVD. Maybe I'll give it another shot before I catch the new one. There have been plenty of cases where I've liked a movie much more on the 2nd viewing than I did on the first.

FWIW, some of the best water-cooler talk I've had over the last year has been Marvel-related. When does this bubble burst?

Marvel movies will probably be the defining franchise of this decade when people look back at the entertainment aspects of this era many years down the line, assuming we're all not blown to pieces or whatever. I mean, I don't see it losing steam soon, but eventually it will most definitely fade out.

 

[Coco]

tl;dr: Lots of things affect our viewing perspectives, and I value your POV.

Honestly, I saw it the day it came out on DVD, so that had to be the summer of 2014, about 18 months ago? And I watched it that one time, and that was it. I'm really having trouble finding anything memorable about it. I had a friend who told me that it was the best comic book movie he had ever seen at that point, so I think that may have ruined it for me, just the high expectations of being blown away like I was with the first Avengers movie. And it just didn't compare and all I know is that I had "meh" feeling about it after watching it. And the fact that I'm having so much trouble trying to remember the film must say exactly how I felt about it. With that in mind though, I still have the DVD. Maybe I'll give it another shot before I catch the new one. There have been plenty of cases where I've liked a movie much more on the 2nd viewing than I did on the first.

I wouldn't say Winter Soldier is the best comic book movie ever, but I feel it's pretty close.

I would definitely guess expectations played a part for you. For me, the best Marvel movies ended up being ones for which I walked in with no expectations and walked out with an overwhelming sense of satisfaction. My top three would be the first Iron Man, Winter Soldier, and Avengers (I'd not been inducted to the cult of Whedon at this point, so I just expected a mess with Tony Stark and friends). Not sure how much it matters to you, but I would 1000% be glued to what you have to say after a second watch. First Avenger can suck a dick; take it or leave it. The sequel is where it's at.

Then again, I had an especially immersive experience at the cinema for Winter Soldier. So that colours my perspective to this day.

Speaking of Whedon, you really need to see Age of Ultron. I'm convinced there's a good movie in there. But there's also a lot being demanded of him at that point by the larger continuity and brand. When talking about movies that go down better with a second viewing, that's one.

Marvel movies will probably be the defining franchise of this decade when people look back at the entertainment aspects of this era many years down the line, assuming we're all not blown to pieces or whatever. I mean, I don't see it losing steam soon, but eventually it will most definitely fade out.

I'm with you mostly, but I've had moments where my faith nearly faltered. Following up the first Avengers with Ironman 3 and Thor 2 nearly killed me. I got a bit of heat in my social circles for my lack of enthusiasm following those two films. That dip in quality may have actually aided my enthusiasm for Winter Soldier.

Also, thanks for derailing a thread filled with guys I love by mentioning the possibility of us all being blown up. Way to cap off my big return...

 

[nightmare]

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/40721/-deadwood-movie-is-definitely-happening


What a lovely piece of news this is. Finally is the word that comes to mind. I hope they get everyone back on board for this & if it does not include Ian, then fuck it all to hell. No point without that sour bastard.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

I like that it wont even matter that its a decade old.


Everyone who is going to watch it isn't gonna care.

And of course they ca't have it without Al. I also would be disappointed if there was no Mr.Wu either

 

[JGlass]

I finally got around to watching the last two episodes of Daredevil.

Dear lord this show is hard to get through. So much melodrama.

 

[nightmare]

I like that it wont even matter that its a decade old.


Everyone who is going to watch it isn't gonna care.

And of course they ca't have it without Al. I also would be disappointed if there was no Mr.Wu either

Yeah, the movie wont feel complete without the word ********er thrown around as both noun and verb.

I finally got around to watching the last two episodes of Daredevil.

Dear lord this show is hard to get through. So much melodrama.

Have heard the same, hence why I have not started it. I did get through ep 1 of Jessica Jones though. Wasnt terrible, but idk if I had enough interest in finishing the rest. Too many other shows worth watching.

 

[Dowdsy McDowds]

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/40721/-deadwood-movie-is-definitely-happening


What a lovely piece of news this is. Finally is the word that comes to mind. I hope they get everyone back on board for this & if it does not include Ian, then fuck it all to hell. No point without that sour bastard.

I'm at 75% wood after this announcement but yeh, without the main players back (and George Hearst, surely!?) then it may feel a little underwhelming.

2016 is going to be a positive year though so I'll remain hopeful that it comes to fruition.

 

[JGlass]

There's a good discussion to be had between MCU Tony and MCU Steve if they frame it properly (will get into that upon request; don't wanna rant). But there's no indication they will.

I request you get into that.

 

[Uncle Sam]

Go on then, Coco, you fucking diva.

NorCal, get on Daredevil. I can personally recommend the first five or so episodes.

 

[Coco]

I finally got around to watching the last two episodes of Daredevil.

Dear lord this show is hard to get through. So much melodrama.

You should check out Sons of Anarchy.

I request you get into that.

I'll add it to my list.

 

[Барбоса]

While it clearly takes its puzzle/mystery motif from Blacklist, I have been enjoying Blindspot.

 

[Coco]

I request you get into that.

Tony keeps trying to make everything better while inadvertently fucking up with his overreaching. He tried to put a suit of armor around the world. He helped Fury set up the gunships from Winter Soldier. His big, sweeping gestures in the name of peace can easily lead to exploitation and oppression. Even after bringing Ultron to life, the dumb fuck tried to do the exact same thing two days later and lucked into Vision.

If superheroes need to be regulated and registered, is Tony really the guy we want with his fingerprints all over this? The guy clearly means well but can't be trusted with big, sweeping acts like this.

Now couple this with Cap's mistrust of the state's security apparatus overreaching back in Winter Soldier and his previously established opposition of Tony's actions and views of his duty.

I think there's something there. Some of this might even be in the film.

Bucky makes for a better trailer though. I guess.

Haven't read the comic. Heard it's kind of shit and that the film will probably deviate significantly.

 

[JGlass]

You should check out Sons of Anarchy.

I watched the first season. I thought it was an absolute riot that they expected me to watch a second season after that.

Tony keeps trying to make everything better while inadvertently fucking up with his overreaching. He tried to put a suit of armor around the world. He helped Fury set up the gunships from Winter Soldier. His big, sweeping gestures in the name of peace can easily lead to exploitation and oppression. Even after bringing Ultron to life, the dumb fuck tried to do the exact same thing two days later and lucked into Vision.

If superheroes need to be regulated and registered, is Tony really the guy we want with his fingerprints all over this? The guy clearly means well but can't be trusted with big, sweeping acts like this.

Now couple this with Cap's mistrust of the state's security apparatus overreaching back in Winter Soldier and his previously established opposition of Tony's actions and views of his duty.

I think there's something there. Some of this might even be in the film.

Bucky makes for a better trailer though. I guess.

Haven't read the comic. Heard it's kind of shit and that the film will probably deviate significantly.

All the pieces are there for that tale to be told, sure. But why would the MCU make their most bankable character look like a jerk when they can make the story line as vague as possible while still allowing their biggest names to punch each other in the face without losing the audience's favor?

 

[Uncle Sam]

The comic has some beautiful art but its major flaw is that Tony is clearly right - those on Cap's side seem about as reasonable as the gun lobby after Sandy Hook, just replace guns with walking atom bombs - so they make him do some super nefarious shit to be the villain.

 

[JGlass]

The comic has some beautiful art but its major flaw is that Tony is clearly right - those on Cap's side seem about as reasonable as the gun lobby after Sandy Hook, just replace guns with walking atom bombs - so they make him do some super nefarious shit to be the villain.

Cap's side clearly has the moral high ground though. Why? I don't know, freedom or something.

 

[Coco]

I watched the first season. I thought it was an absolute riot that they expected me to watch a second season after that.

Three is where the real dumpster fire kicked into gear.

Why do I do this to myself?

All the pieces are there for that tale to be told, sure. But why would the MCU make their most bankable character look like a jerk when they can make the story line as vague as possible while still allowing their biggest names to punch each other in the face without losing the audience's favor?

I see this point completely and you're probably right.

But the heart wants what it wants.

Honestly, this was my one big issue with Age of Ultron (yeah, I only had the one!): At the end, everyone sure was pretty quick to move past what Tony did. I guess since he seemed to be riding off into a sort of retirement, it's okay that everyone bro'd out played it cool. Still, he did unleash something which nearly brought about the end of the world. And then tried to do it again, just better. Disney's not going to steer into that because he's a multi-billion dollar property, but what a cunt.

 

[Барбоса]

When you add up the messes that Stark has made, he really is as much a threat to Earth as any of the villains, many of whom he had a hand in creating/encouraging.

It would take some long term planning and careful writing to produce a good Capt vs Stark Civil War that would see an acceptable reconciliation at the end.

In some ways I am surprised that Civil War is being set as a Captain America one off. The story is big enough to have been an Avengers movie at the end of a phase. The likes of Loki could have been deployed to add in manipulation to the growing divide between Capt and SHIELD/Stark. Plus the hanging shadow of Thanos and the Infinity Gaunlet could easily have been enough to force a reconciliation.

But then in other ways, I am not surprised. Maybe they could have had the manipulations of Loki or Thanos involved or use the infiltration of Hydra to see SHIELD as the baddies, and Stark certainly has done enough to make opponents of his friends. But as mentioned, could Disney really have portrayed Stark as anything approaching a villain?

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Go on then, Coco, you fucking diva.

NorCal, get on Daredevil. I can personally recommend the first five or so episodes.

I have REALLY been dragging my feet on this one.


Funny you mention the first five episodes, as I was absolutely planning on watching the first episode then skipping to the last three.


We shall see. In time I get it done, as well as Jessica Jones.

 

[Uncle Sam]

Tumbleweed has a faster pace than Jessica Jones.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

I got through the first season of Deadwood. I can do it.

 

[justinsayne]

I actually liked Jessica Jones slightly better than Daredevil, & I loved Daredevil.

 

[Coco]

Jessica Jones could afford to be cut by at least six hours. Took me way too long to get through that.

The best bit of Daredevil is, if I recall, in the second episode. Don't skip it, Norcs.