[Official] QB Thread
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That's a tough pick. Ben has been fairly consistent over the past few years (with the exception of his pitiful performance last night). Romo appears to be very solid as well. However, at this point I would chose Ben. It seems as though they are equal in ability, but Romo still needs more experience. He still has alot to prove as there is still the possibility that he is just a flash in the pan.
I would like to add that the more Romo throws to Jason Witten, the more brownie points he earns with me.
Pitiful explain? He single handedly carried them and kept them in that game, there o-line played like crap. Ben made "PLAYS" when needed too. Ben played exceptionally well while the O-Line played like a binch of inexperienced high school kids. Ben carried that team. The defense for the Steelers blew it. Ben made plays. He didnt get rattled with two INT's and a fumble. He brought them back with his mobility, and play making. Pitiful game? I think not
Ok, let me re-phrase...pitiful first half. And I say that because he is usually much better than that. When does Ben ever throw 2 INT's and faumble in a game, let alone a single half? Never. I was not insulting your beloved Ben, I was simply stating that he almost never has a bad game. And he did last night. I understand that the o-line and defense in general did not play well- I watched the game, too. But Ben had one of the worst halves of his career against a Broncos defense that is not very good and was missing their best player (hurts to have to say that about my team!).
Ok, So I guess I can't blame Romo for his shit performance against the Bills.
Steelers fans quit making excuses. Ben was shit last night. The O-Line and basically the whole team. A team is 1. Ben is on it. Therefore they all as one = Shit.
FACT.
Ben single handedly kept them in that game. Apparently you didnt watch it, or you would have known. Ben is freaking god when it came down to it. who has Romo ever Beaten? No one? Ben had pressure every flipping play. Everyone who saw the game realized it, and everyone who watched realized ben kept them in the game and brought him back with his play making ability, you seem smart Wes but why cant you realize that.
Similar to Romo against the Bills despite having a terrible game.
THIS YEAR: Giants, Fins, Bears, Vikes, Rams, Bills,
LAST: Texans, Panthers, Cardinals, Colts, Bucs, Giants and Falcons
Texans? Panthers, Cardinals? Falcons? What did they do last year?
This Year. Dolphins 0-7, Bears 3-4, Vikes 2-4, Rams 0-7 Bills 2-4. Seems easy enough schedule so far, there only tough game they got destroyed when it mattered the most.
This topic has been discussed with me and a several other members on this board. I want to get other peoples take on who is the best young QB in the NFL, I will name a few of the Obvious high draft picks in the NFL over the last few years and give an accomplishments for others to debate on who they think is the best young QB in the NFL UNDER 30 yrs of AGE.
Ben Roethlisberger~ Most Regular season wins by a rookie QB, he had 13 wins in 2004. and was 14-1 combined including the Playoffs. He also has the highest QB rating for a rookie at 98.1, Also the highest completion Percentage for a rookie QB at 66.4. Also the Longest streak of wins to start an NFL career in 15 games. First QB to start in the Conference championship game in his first two seasons. Second Youngest QB to play in the Super Bowl and is the Youngest to Win a SuperBowl. Career Record of 38-14 (including 5-1 in the playoffs) which is a 73% winning Percentage.
Phillip Rivers~ He started all 16 games in his first full season as a starting QB throwing for Nearly 3,400 yards. He had 22 touchdowns to 9 interceptions. Had a QB rating of 92.0. He had a 14-2 mark as a starter before losing to the Pats in the Playoffs. Has a career 30, touchdowns to 17 interceptions.
Carson Palmer~ He is the glorified Stats machine and the anchor of the Bengals high Powered offense. Palmer did not play a snap in his rookie season. He has yet to win a playoff game and has 29 wins in a total of 51 games which is a 56% winning percentage. Which isn't too delightful for a young Quarterback that is so "great".
Tony Romo~ In his first full year as a starter he has pretty stellare numbers. The Cowboys are 6-1 and first place in there division. Romo has nearly 2,000 yards passing a qb rating of 95.6 but has a total of 9 interceptions and a total of 16 touchdowns. But he is still known for his blunder in the NFC wild card game, He fumbled a snap on the go ahead field goal against the Seahawks. Romo to my knowledge was 6-4 in the 06 season as a starter and is 6-1 and currently in first place. He has a career winning Percentage of nearly 71%.
My pick for the best QB is Ben Roethlisberger, he accomplished so much in his first 4 seasons as the Quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers, he is very elusive and mobile for a 6ft 5 245 QB. His winning percentage is ridiculous even for the year he had last year. He carried his team to the Playoffs in rookie season before losing to the Patriots, the Pats would go on to win the SB. Ben has had a great amount of accomlishments in such a young career, thats why i believe he is the best young QB under 30 in the NFL.
Ben Roethlisberger~ Most Regular season wins by a rookie QB, he had 13 wins in 2004. and was 14-1 combined including the Playoffs. He also has the highest QB rating for a rookie at 98.1, Also the highest completion Percentage for a rookie QB at 66.4. Also the Longest streak of wins to start an NFL career in 15 games. First QB to start in the Conference championship game in his first two seasons. Second Youngest QB to play in the Super Bowl and is the Youngest to Win a SuperBowl. Career Record of 38-14 (including 5-1 in the playoffs) which is a 73% winning Percentage.
Phillip Rivers~ He started all 16 games in his first full season as a starting QB throwing for Nearly 3,400 yards. He had 22 touchdowns to 9 interceptions. Had a QB rating of 92.0. He had a 14-2 mark as a starter before losing to the Pats in the Playoffs. Has a career 30, touchdowns to 17 interceptions.
Carson Palmer~ He is the glorified Stats machine and the anchor of the Bengals high Powered offense. Palmer did not play a snap in his rookie season. He has yet to win a playoff game and has 29 wins in a total of 51 games which is a 56% winning percentage. Which isn't too delightful for a young Quarterback that is so "great".
Tony Romo~ In his first full year as a starter he has pretty stellare numbers. The Cowboys are 6-1 and first place in there division. Romo has nearly 2,000 yards passing a qb rating of 95.6 but has a total of 9 interceptions and a total of 16 touchdowns. But he is still known for his blunder in the NFC wild card game, He fumbled a snap on the go ahead field goal against the Seahawks. Romo to my knowledge was 6-4 in the 06 season as a starter and is 6-1 and currently in first place. He has a career winning Percentage of nearly 71%.
My pick for the best QB is Ben Roethlisberger, he accomplished so much in his first 4 seasons as the Quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers, he is very elusive and mobile for a 6ft 5 245 QB. His winning percentage is ridiculous even for the year he had last year. He carried his team to the Playoffs in rookie season before losing to the Patriots, the Pats would go on to win the SB. Ben has had a great amount of accomlishments in such a young career, thats why i believe he is the best young QB under 30 in the NFL.
Remember sir, This isn't College in the NFL. You don't judge schedules, You just win the games you play.
Dallas has.
Yes you can, when they play a big game they wont be prepared and wont be able to play in that kind of atmosphere.
The Steelers have also won games. On big Ben's Shoulders.
You tried to think that schedule is challenging. ha Dallas' conference isn't even that good.
See any smart Football fan would take Ben over Romo and Palmer any day of the week. They are both proven losers. Take this to my thread in the sports section
Ben was not shit, he performed well enough and kept them in the game. Wake up, without his playmaking and his stellar second half the Steelers dont come close of winning the game. The defense blew that game, but you wouldnt know you probably didnt see the game. Watch it, you tube it, w/e just watch it and you will see the greatness of Big Ben. Watch the Game and enjoy and see the future of the NFL do his business while there overrated defense plays like crap.
Why isnt this thread credited to me?
Ben was not shit, he performed well enough and kept them in the game. Wake up, without his playmaking and his stellar second half the Steelers dont come close of winning the game. The defense blew that game, but you wouldnt know you probably didnt see the game. Watch it, you tube it, w/e just watch it and you will see the greatness of Big Ben. Watch the Game and enjoy and see the future of the NFL do his business while there overrated defense plays like crap.
Why isnt this thread credited to me?
This isn't the NCAA...The NFL judges your record and divison performances.
So Yeah, Schedules mean shit unless you lose. Which Dallas will not have to worry about.
The Cowboys win mostly everygame on Romo's shoulders. Pitt has D. Dallas does not.
I and Roger Goddell don't give a fuck about schedules. You win. You go to playoffs. That simple. College is the opposite.
Pitt's only contest is Baltimore, Dallas will have both NY and Wash. to worry about.
They aren't very smart then..
Hahahahaha. You just said Ben is a winner?? Romo I know is a winner. He's won more games than Ben since he got the job at QB
I don't have to. We have our own thread.
EDIT: Never Mind.
They just need to understand the game of football. Football isnt based on 300 yd passing games. It is based on wins and losses. Ben has been around for four years and still has managed to have a win percentage of 73% even after the bad year last year. Romo had half of last and all this year and his win percentage is around 70%. 73%>70%
See the above post and wining percentages. Ben has a better one than Romo and Carson. Football is based on wins and losses not 300 yd passing games and an average of 3 td passes per game. Ben has both Carson and Tony Romo beat.
I know plenty about football.
It's what seperates you from a shitty player to a good player.
Yes, Stats matter or Rex Grossman would have been in the MVP chase last year. and the Pro Bowl.
The HOF doesn't judge your win/loss. They judge your play on the field. So yes, It's about both winning and player ability.
We are talkin the past 2 seasons....
GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD!!!!!! Jesus Christ, How many times do I have to tell you..
I DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT HIS FIRST 2 SEASONS, ROMO WASN'T AROUND, THEREFORE IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO JUDGE THE TWO.
Romo is 13-6 since stepping in last season during the same timespan Ben is 12-7
Romo is the "proven winner" since stepping in, and is the better QB between the two at this moment in time.
Not since Romo stepped in, See my above quote
It's based on both, Palmer smokes Ben stat wise, Romo smokes Ben both.
Romo has more ability. Sorry.
Your knowledge doesnt prove that.
Stats dont mean nothing. Football is about WINS and Losses. Look at Carson he puts Ben and Tony to shame and he is a loser. People who don't win the big games are losers. Why did John Elway play longer than he wanted too? He knew winning a SB or Two would give him a better argument of being one of the greatest QB's in NFL history.
Okay, So Terry Bradshaw would be in the HOF because of his stats? I dont think so, he has four SB rings. Okay Lynn Swann or John Stallworth would be in the HOF because of there regualr season success? No they performed well when it mattered the most.
No we aren't read the thread name.
Tell me as many times as you want. It doesnt mean you are right. Stats dont make the player, wins and losses do.
Once again read the thread name. Look at post number 10. That shows Rivers, Palmers, Ben's, and Romo's success.
Career, this is the whole argument. 73% winning percentage in 3 and a half yrs to Romo's 70% in one and half Ben has maintained a high winning percentage throught his career. Ben was 8-5 last year, too Romo's 6-4. Nearly the Same winning Percentage. Actually Ben has a higher winning Percentage last yr. This year he has a higher QB rating, i believe a better completion% and Less INT's. Romo 9 Ben has 5. 9<5.
See post above ^
Stats mean nothing. Palmer is a loser.
Romo Might be faster but Ben is harder to bring down and creates more plays.
Yet I've managed to kick your ass throughout this argument, with you skipping valuable points because you were prved wrong. Yeah clearly.
See my other 350 posts on this matter.
And your preformance on the feild.
Carson has more QB ability than both then. I don't know his stats, and don't give 2 shits about the Bengals. So I won't compare them.
Not if they still play well and lead their teams every fucking Sunday.
Aikman, Young, Montana and Marino all got their asses kicked one season or another and still we're on top of the NFL when it came to QB ability.
The same reason why Favre is playing to day.
Heart and to Win.
He and Marino would have still been 2 of the best ever without Super Bowls.
Manning, a guy who never won the big one until last year, was known as a god-like QB without a Super Bowl. Take Brady's 3 rings away and he would still be greatly respected for his abilty on the feild.
If he won 4 rings then he must have been a good QB eh?
See my post about Grossman, You seem to be skipping that every time.
Yes we were in the Chat with Wes thread.
Don't start the BS. Your the one who changed from 2 years to career wise and still Tony and Carson are kicking Ben's ass in this poll. Lolz.
Wins/Losses and Stats make the player, Jesus fucking Christ would we even have MVP awards, Player of the Weeks, The fucking Hall of Fame if it wasn't about stats too?
The past 2 seasons Romo has been the better QB. You were proved wrong so you tried to switch it around.
Combine This year and Week 6 of last year, Romo blows him to hell.
You were proved wrong, and you know it..
Palmer is highly respected around the NFL and Media and has been to the Pro Bowl even though he is a loser. Therefore, Stats matter. Sorry.
You obviously haven't seen the Cowboy's games. Romo has made plays Donavan McNabb like(before his injury) at least twice a game every game.
Romo creates plays, carries the offense and the whole team, in as only 1 1/2 at QB.
He's good.
Yeah proving nothing but facts on a year and a half. That proves nothing. Ok on your knowledge lets compare Garrard to Joe Montana.
Yeah my posts point out the obvious, Ben is the better QB. Prove me wrong. Last yr and a half, thats irrelevant. Winning percentages in there career from the time Romo started to the Time Ben has started. Better winning Percentage.
Carson has mobility? He is slower than molasses and cant elude a rush if his life depended on it. I see AFC games every week. You must be watching Palmer is a fast moving notion such as a fast forward button. Palmer is slow, very slow.
The difference between Marino and all of the QBS you mentioned is that they are winners. Marino was certainly not.
Because the old man doesnt know when to hang it up.
If i wanted to start an all time football team Marino wouldnt be up there because he is a loser. I could name many QBS who i would take before Marino. Young, Elway, Staubach, Starr, Bradshaw. They are all winners. Marino was not.
But if Manning nor Brady won Super Bowls they would be considered losers and not a big game player. They would be respected but still wouldnt be winners.
the Steelers had like 9 HOF players that played on all four Super Bowl rings and they should have had a couple more. Sounds like a well balanced machine.
Did he win the SB? No, he is a loser.
People dont give there opinions, and look past success and just base it off numbers that prove nothing. Wow marino had a great playoff game, 300 yds and 3 tds. Well he lost. He is a loser. Stats me nothing.
Wins/Losses. Especially Wins and losses in big games. Jim Kelly lost what like 2-4 SB? he is a loser and not a big game QB. Ben 5-1 in playoffs.. Romo 0-1, Carson 0-1
I wasnt proved wrong, Ben managed to get 7 wins last year with horrible STATS.
That means nothing. Career's determine a player especially big games. Aikmen has 3 SB's, Maino has none. Take your pick? Big game success over stats
You were proved wrong, and you know it..
You are wrong and you know it. ben means more to his team. Ben has had more success over a career and is still the better qb.
Jon Kitna is a stats machine but is still a loser. Stats mean nothing. Wins/Losses determine success.
You must not watch Steeler football because you must be to blind to see that Ben means a lot more to his team. Without Ben the steelers are a below 500 team.
Ben creates plays, see Monday night and his entire career, even last yr.
ROmo might be good but Ben is still better.
Which you have been pwned in BTW.
That was our whole argument to begin with in 2 other threads..
You compared Ben to Favre. Your knowledge took a wrong turn there.
We've discussed this.
Who the fuck said Carson had mobility? I said QB ability.
Christ.
Yet Marino is still mentioned in every sentence with those same guys, Hell Dan was a better QB than a few of them.
Why hang it up? He's outshining you precious Ben this year, Who is what? 13 years younger? He's doing the same with Romo. Why hang it up when your still the best? He wants to win. His team is good. So he stayed, He'll continue to play for another year more than likely since he has alot more left in him.
Your all-time football team would be shit without him, Look at his records, stats, awards, career.
He was a damn good QB.
Are you fucking kidding me? With stats like those? Sorry but your idiotic if you believe that.
Both would make it to the HOF with ease.
He went 14-2, he was a proven winner.
See my other 4000 posts on this matter.
See my other posts on this matter
Romo outplayed him as well, and the shame is....He missed 6 games...Ouch....
I'd take Marino, with the right balance on offense if I wanted to field a team. Better arm, better player.
You were wrong, You changed the subject.
Romo has had more success the past 2 seasons. That was the original argument, You lost so therefore you changed, and still the poll is kicking Ben's ass.
That's sad.
Sorry. This debate is finished, The rest of this post is prolly BS anyways.
whats your logic about that posrt ^? You have been owned. Sorry
That was our whole argument to begin with in 2 other threads..
Thats why this thread is best QB under 30 years old? isnt that the title. I will argue for months because Ben is the better QB. Top 3 for that matter.
Winning wise what has Favre done in ten years? Nothing. Compare for years of Stats and Numbers, Ben's rookie season through now. Favres 04-07 to Ben's 04-07 season.
Christ had nothing to do with me misinterpreting some text. That argument was Carson under the Steelers team, his ability doesnt mean they would win. He is too immobile and wiuld get put on his rear because the o-line is bad well horrendous.
But Marino is still a loser. No SB's does not make him the best QB ever.
His numbers outshine Ben because GB has no running game and Favre is still showing signs of going back to old. He is just in it for the records.
But he is still a loser. Elway was a better QB and is a proven winner. I would take Montana over them all because of his success in winning numbers and all the worthless stats.
Stats still mean nothing. He was a loser, thats what i stated. If they did not win there SB's right now both would be criticized like Marino was.
Doesn't mean they are big game winners like Bradshaw, Montana, Elway. Does it now? Winning the ring builds and is criticized the most if you are great and dont have one.
What is this still about Grossman? He is a loser, he lost the big game. Didnt he? Yes.
See all mine.
Wins and losses determine success. Especially regular season. Common sense, I know.
Jon Kitna has out perfomed Roethlisberger the last year and a half, doesnt mean he is better. Same thing with Garrard or Palmer.
Aikman was a winner.
I have been right i know.
Until other posters give a reason, then we could talk. People look beyond wins and losses and just focus on stats. that means nothing. Ben managed to have 13 wins in rookie season, 7 last season with terrible stats.
Your Sports Knowledge?
I'm sorry Brian Becker but what the fuck are you talking about? Did you really just say that Dan Marino was a loser and wouldn't be on your all time team? Well your all time team would probably be crap then.
Dan Marino is without a doubt the greatest QB of all time. I used to think Montana was better, but after spending time watching old games online, I see thats just not the case. The greatest QB of all time doesn't make your all time list? And he's a loser?
It's obvious you're just utterly biased for Big Ben because your a Steelers fan. And I'm sorry, but there are many guys I'd rather take then Ben. Why? Because Ben is NOT a top 5 QB. Not in any way shape or form.
The Steelers are a defense oriented team. Their defense is the leader of that team. Not the offense. Not the young QB. Not the running back---the DEFENSE. So there goes your argument of Ben being the teams "leader". To be a leader you need to rouse up your team mates and earn their respect, and I really doubt that Ben has done that. I've never seen Ben's name in the sports page for getting his guys going in halftime or making some team speech. Never. Ever.
As far as Tony Romo being better then Ben, I'd say they're about even. Tony has played MUCH better this year, but it is still WAY too early to make any decision on Romo. For all we know he could go the way of Rex Grossman before it's all said and done (remember Grossman started off on fire last year).
I'm sorry again Brian, but STATS ARE IMPORTANT. Why do people seem to think they aren't? I'm sorry but Peyton Manning and Brad Johnson aren't equal at all, yet both have won Super Bowls. By your logic they are equal. Ridiculious.
Big Ben just is not that good of a QB that you make him out to be. At all.
Dan Marino is without a doubt the greatest QB of all time. I used to think Montana was better, but after spending time watching old games online, I see thats just not the case. The greatest QB of all time doesn't make your all time list? And he's a loser?
It's obvious you're just utterly biased for Big Ben because your a Steelers fan. And I'm sorry, but there are many guys I'd rather take then Ben. Why? Because Ben is NOT a top 5 QB. Not in any way shape or form.
The Steelers are a defense oriented team. Their defense is the leader of that team. Not the offense. Not the young QB. Not the running back---the DEFENSE. So there goes your argument of Ben being the teams "leader". To be a leader you need to rouse up your team mates and earn their respect, and I really doubt that Ben has done that. I've never seen Ben's name in the sports page for getting his guys going in halftime or making some team speech. Never. Ever.
As far as Tony Romo being better then Ben, I'd say they're about even. Tony has played MUCH better this year, but it is still WAY too early to make any decision on Romo. For all we know he could go the way of Rex Grossman before it's all said and done (remember Grossman started off on fire last year).
I'm sorry again Brian, but STATS ARE IMPORTANT. Why do people seem to think they aren't? I'm sorry but Peyton Manning and Brad Johnson aren't equal at all, yet both have won Super Bowls. By your logic they are equal. Ridiculious.
Big Ben just is not that good of a QB that you make him out to be. At all.
it is real easy that Ben is better than all the young QB's in the NFL. Winning percentages and accomplishments at such a young age.
It would take John Elway over Marino any day. He is a two time Super Bowl winner. Elway is top five in all major categories, He went out on top and he has two more super bowls than Dan Marino.
Marino lost in big games throughout College and the Pro's where Montana is a proven winner and he has Super Bowl Rings. I believe Montana has three rings. Three Rings to Marino's zero. Take your pick.
Biased? Thats kind of funny. What is the meaning to playing the game of football? To win, or get a massive amount of stats? I take winning. I will give Romo credit when he wins something, but until then he is behind Ben as a QB. Same goes for Rivers, Palmer, Campbell, Garrard, Cutler, Leinart, and so forth.
Without Ben the steelers offense is mediocre. They had a decent QB in Maddox the year before, they basically had the same team, Ben comes in and takes his team to a 13-0 regular season as a starting QB. What is the defense? they are a bunch of overrated players? polamalu overrated, the only one that never gets no credit is Casey Hampton. There defense is not that good. They are getting old and Ben carries that team, he puts points on the board, that is a large task because of there atrocious offensive line. Can i ask you a question? Did you see the Sunday night game? Tell me who caried that team? the Defense or Ben? His presence is felt in a much different way. he isnt blessed with a golden arm, he has good presence and awareness and has playmaking capabilities.
Romo has more Interceptions than Ben. Ben has a higher QB Rating and a better completion percentage. Ben is more Proficient.
Stats don't win football games. Would you rather be 1-0 on a 200 yd passing game or 0-1 on a 400 yd passing game? Once again stats mean nothing. you play to win the game, and apparently Ben has been doing that since he stepped into the NFL. Ben had horrible Stats last year but Still managed to put up 7 wins. Brad johnson did nothing for his team to lose the SB therefore he was a good game manager and the right person for that job, unlike Grossman who played like crap in the SB. I know Ben played Bad but he did enough for his team to win.
He is the third or forth best QB in football. He is a good game manager,he is a winner, has a ring, he is a leader, and PGH isnt half the team without him
Dude did you fail math or something? Because Tony Romo & Phillip Rivers both have better winning percentages then Ben does. Rivers has a MUCH better percentage infact. And he's about on par with Palmer's winning PCT. So he's not even the QB with the best Winning PCT in this POLL.
You're totally missing the point. Obviously John Elway is a legend and one of the best QBs of all time. But Elway also had one of the best NFL TEAMS of all time in the 97-98 Broncos. Marino didn't, he almost never had a team worth a shit in Miami. But the point is that just because Marino didn't win a Super Bowl, that doesn't mean he's not a good QB or that any QB thats won a Super Bowl is better then him. Or are you implying that Brad Johnson or Joe Thiesman are better QBs then Dan Marino was? Because the logic you're using makes no sense at all.
Why is it funny that you're biased? It's pretty obvious you are. You're a Steelers fan who defends Ben as being some amazing QB when he really isn't at all. He won a Super Bowl. Awesome. Was he responsible for that Super Bowl? Not at all in any shape way or form.
You also don't seem to understand that 9 out of 10 times the QB with the better stats is going to win the game. Thats what stats do---tell you who the better player is. It's not a hard concept to grip, really.
Okay first things first, allow me to laugh my ass off that you just said Maddox was decent. Because he wasn't. He was godawful. He was worse then Kordell Stewart for god's sake. Ben does not carry that team. Ever. The defense does. If anybody carries that team on the offense its Hines Ward, but certainly not Ben. And while I didn't watch Sundays game, I did catch the highlights. And from what I saw....the Steelers lost. So Ben carried that team to a loss. Is that supposed to be a positive?
And Romo has about ten times as much yards and TDs as Ben does. So Romo is more proficient. Are you aware of what the term proficient means? It means who is the most PRODUCTIVE. And from the looks of it, more TDs & YDs = more production. Once again, not a hard concept.
Stats DO win football games, when the hell are you going to understand this? All stats are is a record of how well you perform. So therefore logically wouldn't the team with the better stats be the better performing team? As for the 1-0 on a 200 yd game or 0-1 on a 400 yd game, thats totally up in the air because it depends on what that game was like. If , say, the QB had a 200 yd passing game in a 6-3 win over a team, and the other QB had a 400 yd game in a 38-21 loss, I most certainly would go with the QB with the 400 yd game. Why? Because he's going to give me a better chance to WIN. Brad Johnson was not a game manager for the Bucs in 2002. And he certainly wasn't a leader. You say Grossman played like crap in the SB and that means he's bad, then you say Ben played bad but it was okay because they won?
So the other week when Romo threw something like 5 INTs but the Cowboys still won, that was acceptable? That was okay because they won? No, not at all. That was a TERRIBLE game for the Cowboys, despite the win.
Third or fourth? No way, no way in hell. I'd put him around 7 or 8th. Because heres just a quick list of QBs I'd rather have on my team and who are better QBs then Ben is:
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Brett Favre
Matt Schaub
Tony Romo
Jake Delhomme
David Garrard (Yes, seriously, David Garrard. 3rd ranked QB in the NFL right now by the way)
And thats just off the top of my head man.
No offense, but don't ever consider being a coach. Because your team would go 0-16.
People look beyond winning percentages. Tony Romo's career winning percentage is nearly 67 percent. Ben's is nearly 74% Sorry Bub Ben has 38 wins to 14 losses. 38/52 is 73%. this is including Playoffs. Romo 6 and 5 last yr. 6 and 1 this year. SO 12 wins combined to 6 losses. Total 18 games. 12/18=.6666%. Math here 73%>66%. Rivers was combined 14-3. Yes Rivers does got him beat, as an 85% winning percentage but that is in less games than Ben.
It doesnt matter though, Did Johnson or Theisman lose the game though either? No, they didnt make stupid mistakes to cost there team.
I never said Marino wasnt a great QB i was implying the fact that he was a loser when it came to big games.
What about Wes he continues to support Romo, he is a Cowboys fan. I said the Steelers defense is overrated which is one reason why i am not a biased steeler fan. Yes Ben was responsible for that Super Bowl, he managed to get his team down there, he managed to make a game saving tackle against the Colts, he made a nice scramble to score a td and he made a nice scramble on a 3 and long ot set up that scoring run. Did he do anything to lose the game? No, my point exactly.
Ben didnt put up great numbers in his first two seasons and they managed to go 13-0 in 04 and i believe were 9-3 with him in 05 when they won the SB. Did they win games and the Ring? Yes. That right there your little 9 out of 10 teams is irrelevant. Carson put up great stats against the Browns this year did he Win? No. He has put up great stats against the Steelers and Ravens over the years and does he win? No, he chokes and makes a bone head play.
Maddox managed to go 10-6 get his team to the playoffs win a first round game and was god awful? No? They lost there next game because of the defense. Stewart managed to get a team 13-3 and had an amount of playoff games and an Afc championship game? he must've done something right? They lost to the Pats because the defense wasnt prepared.
that is funny. Ward is a leader but certainly does not carry that team. Have you ever seen a Steeler game? It is very visible that Ben carries that team. Open your eyes and see past stats, Ben's presence is felt in much more of an impact than 300 yd passing games.
the defense lost that game and the same with the O-line, be was scrambling for his life and still had the presence to create plays and tie the game up with under two minutes to play. Denver ran right down and scored on the overrated defense. Ben kept them in that game, the defense sure didnt.
Do simple math if Romo had ten times more yds than Ben he would have over like 100,000 yds passing, and i am the one with bad math skills? Ben doesnt turn the ball over as much and it shows. Less interceptions and a higher QB rating, he is more productive with what he has.
Since when do stats win football games? points win football games.
Super Bowls also determine good quarterbacks to the better QB's, Elway 2 rings Marino 0. Take your pick?
How? did they not get the victory? yes. Winning determines how you get to the playoffs. Stats do not. that is common sense.
Did his team not go to the SB? Did he and the TB win the SB? Yes they did. Thats all that matters, he did nothing to prevent them from winng.
Yes once again winning is everything. Where is Grossman now anyways? second string QB behind the well traveled Brian Griese. hmmm Ben is still a starting QB.
But did Romo single handedly bring them in that game? The bills are a team they should have beat. The Broncos under the Shannahan era were 74-25 at home before kick off sunday night. thats is nearly a 75% winning percentage at home in his tenure at denver.
What have those QB's done? Favre hasnt won anything in ten years. Ben is behind Manning and Brady, and i openly admit he is well behind the both but he is still a top 3-4 qb.
What has Jake Delhomme done? Nothng.
Matt Schaub? Nothing, second stringer behind vick up into this year.
What has Garrard done? Nothing cant win a big game.
Bret Favre? has not won anything in 10 years.
How would you know football is simple logic. after i graduate tech school i am gonna go back and finish my journalism degree, thank you very much.
You might have to try to list a little harder. Schaub?
Garrard? Lemme guess harrington and David Carr is next?