Because 9/10ths of the posts in the thread are by people who despise the Jets and Sanchez. They fucking admit it even in this very thread.
There are plenty of people also in this thread that have no biases, like myself, that can see the truth. And when you look past this thread, the general consensus on Sanchez is that he's not doing well as the Jets QB.
Again, the contract extension was a salary cap move that gave the Jets a very inexpensive QB if he pans out. If he doesn't, they cut him loose after 2 years for no additional money.
I don't know the monetary details of the contract, but if that's true, then that shouldn't make you feel any better then. In other words, they're giving themselves a possible cheap out. Very encouraging extension. Definitely deserves that, now that I know the details.
And yeah, he has had success and earned a contract extension. You don't win 4 road playoffs games by accident, and you don't outplay opposing Hall of Fame QBs by accident in the playoffs.
One of the statistically worse QB's in the league. You know Rex Grossman had a bunch of playoff wins too on the way to the Superbowl. Sanchez is a lot closer to Grossman than a franchise guy. And both can't cut it. The Bears carried Grossman then, just as the Jets carried Sanchez in those wins. And guess what, once the rest of the team declined, Sanchez couldn't even get this team to the playoffs this past year. Nor will he be able to this coming year with how the AFC looks. They won't be able to rely on that Wildcard anymore.
And if you think that the Jets are in a soft division with the New Fucking England Fucking Patriots, you are a fucking moron. And the Bills weren't that bad, either (and they'll be even better this year).
I never said a soft division. Just that there are more competitive divisions out there than don't have two dogs in them year in and year out. And yes, the Bills got very, very shitty. And they still embarrassed the Jets.
With your stance on Sanchez, I wouldn't be calling anyone else a moron.
The first injury Brees sustained was in the final game of the 2005 season, when he tore his labrum. Prior to that, he was replaced by Phil Rivers due to ineffectiveness, not injury. In 2003, he got benched for Doug Flutie. Doug Fucking Flutie, in 2003.
Different systems and different injuries still plagued him and hindered him. For all your shitting on his early career, he was still able to put up good numbers during his early seasons and led his team one year to a 12-4 record, not to mention winning comeback POTY in 2004. He was much farther along back then than Sanchez is now. So to compare them is just silly. Not to mention that Flutie and Rivers were quite competent back then and legit competition. I can't wait until Tim Tebow replaces Sanchez this year, even worse than those names.
Tim freakin' Tebow.
And when did I say wait 7 years into his career to judge? I have already said this is a do or die type season for Sanchez. If he fails this year he probably won't be there in 2014, unless his 2013 is so amazing they have to keep him. He's with the team through 2014, but it's for a reasonable number, and if he's ineffective, who knows if he'll even start.
You ARE saying that. Because you're saying we should hold off and not judge him on his failures (and there are a lot of them), and instead hang onto those playoff wins like they're the only thing that matters. Keep resting on those old laurels. And I don't understand these comments, as before you were quite sure Sanchez could be your franchise guy. Now you're giving yourself an out.
Actually, the offensive line was middle of the pack when it comes to pass protection. They had an excellent run-blocking offensive line, but they sucked at pass protection.
And having a great run game isn't good for a developing QB. He played in 15 games in 2009 and threw the ball 364 times, good for 25th in the NFL. When you don't throw the ball, it's hard to get in a rhythm and actually improve as a QB.
A good run game NEVER hurts a QB. NEVER. Please, you're sounding ridiculous now. Sanchez absolutely relied on the play action pass, and guess what made those passes possible? The real thread of the run game.
And did you ever consider that the Jets had to rely on the run game because, I don't know, they couldn't trust the passing game? I think that's much more likely.
And don't say the Jets haven't helped him along. They've surrounded him with talent, especially at WR (that you continue to downplay), and babied him for years, but now they actually have competition for him in Tebow.
Did I say anything about his career? All I said is that he's not struggling to keep it positive. I said after a bad first year when he was -8, he's been +12 in the 2 years since, and he has not had any problems keeping it positive.
Yes, yes he is struggling to keep it positive. 55-51 is struggling to keep it positive. No matter how you try to spin that ratio, it's barely positive. You can't argue against the numbers. A few bad games and all of a sudden he's on the negative side of that ratio.
And Sanchez has had a way better then pitiful career so far.
For where he was drafted, he's been a disappointment, bordering on a bust if he doesn't improve.
And after Eli's third year, most Giants fans wanted to run Eli Manning out of town, then he went on and won 2 Super Bowls. I'd say that the comparison is fair.
You continuing to compare Sanchez to Eli Manning is kind of appropriate in that it highlights the overall ridiculousness of your argument. I'm sure anyone reading is laughing when they see your numerous Sanchez comparisons to Manning.
You know, Jamarcus Russell was drafted #1. So was John Elway. Hey, they're prettyyyyyyy similar!
No, they are not.
What about the numerous successes? The +.500 record, the 4 playoff wins, the back to back AFC Championship games. Oh yeah, you refuse to give the kid credit because you want to disparage him. Sorry, but you try to make me out to be some sort of apologist, when you're doing the exact same thing. You take all his positive traits and brush them off as someone elses doing. Last I checked, he was the starting QB who won 4 road playoff games (and yeah, he won them. He out-played the other QB and won the games).
Who am I being an apologist for? Please answer this, I'd love to see your response.
If you want to rest on these laurels, then go ahead. You can keep resting on them until the day comes when Sanchez is released or traded. Whether you want to face it or not, Sanchez was the smallest of factors on those teams. If he were so good, he'd be able to replicate AT LEAST a playoff berth in his 3rd year (since, you know, he should've even improved), but the Jets didn't get there. Because the team that carried him there was a shell of its former self. And they're continuing to trend downward.
It's funny that you want to give Sanchez credit for the Jets success in his first year, yet you yourself turn around and admit his stats were so shitty in that year (and that those stats shouldn't count to his overall stats). You can't have it both ways. You can't agree to recognize his shitty stats, then give him credit for leading the team to the playoffs. You're being hypocritical.
The fact remains that the Jets got him there. And when the surrounding Jets sucked this past year, they didn't get him there. Sanchez is the constant, and when you remove the variable of the quality of his teammates (namely the Defense), he can't get it done. And he didn't, and he won't.
And again, you can't tell me he can't be one, unless you come from the future. He could throw for 5000 yards this year, you don't know. There is virtually no evidence to say he can't do it.
Throw for over 5,000 yards? Become the next franchise guy of the Jets?
Do you realize how much of a fanboy you are?
No, they "hired" Tebow (it's called trading for, not hiring, this isn't Burger King) because they wanted a backup QB that poses more of a threat to light a fire under his ass. Kinda like how the Chargers drafted Phil Rivers, except the Jets don't have to eventually make the switch if/when Sanchez proves worthy.
Tebow will overtake him. One shitty QB for another.
Except they have relied on him to win them big-time games, and he did. 4 of them. On the road. In the playoffs.
Yawn. Past laurels covering up his true talent, or lack thereof.
And the reason you say I don't have any evidence, is because there really is virtually no evidence for either side. As I already said, unless you have a time machine, you can't say either way what will happen.
There actually is evidence to say he won't be a franchise guy. Just using your eyeballs and witnessing the progress (or lack thereof) of his career will tell you he won't be around much longer.
He isn't a franchise QB. Not right now. In 5 years the poll could be 17-1 saying he is. We don't know.
You don't just become a franchise QB. You either have it, or you don't. This is you saying again "let's just wait and see". Something you said that you didn't say earlier on. Well, here is you saying it.
I never said he is a franchise QB. I don't know where you get that. All I said is that half the "franchise QBs" in the league took a similar path that Sanchez took. Brees failed before he started succeeding, as did Eli Manning. Sanchez could very easily follow that same path. He may not and end up being a bust. We don't know.
Okay, good, then we can agree that he's not.
All I have said is that we don't know. Everyone else in the thread are time travelers who know for a fact that something will happen in the future. If that's the case, tell me who wins the 2014 Kentucky Derby so I can make sure to bet on that horse and win tons of money.
We are just using common sense. And by watching the games, Sanchez looks skittish in the pocket, inaccurate, and largely unconfident. He's had way more memorable failures than anything else.
You want another example? Going into the 2011 season, there was virtually no evidence to say that Matt Overrated Stafford would throw for 5000 yards. He did it. Mark Sanchez could do the same thing, but we don't know, because we're not time travelers.
Stafford was riddled with injury in his first seasons. The guy couldn't even get on the field to show what he could (or could not) do. In his first full season, he showed he could do it by breaking the 5,000 yd mark, something only a handful of guys have ever done. Sanchez will be going on his 4th full season, and hasn't shown a sliver of Stafford's overall ability at the position. He's yet to even break 3,500 yards in one season and has a career QB rating of 73, with a completion rate of 55% lifetime.
This whole argument about him being a competent QB, let alone a franchise guy, is just silly when you just look at his numbers. And then when you actually watch him play, it gets worse.
