Not Again!

[TLK]

Notice the fact that you only had to correct grammatical errors after such a lengthy time "talking" to you?
Debating with TLK = Decreased IQ

I can go back and find more if you'd like. All the dross you have spewed tonight has been irrelevant, as many others have pointed out. You're one of the "fans" who consistently jump the gun after every PPV, match, promo, etc. You will never be satisfied. No sense in talking sense into someone as mentally aloof as you seem to be.

No wonder I gave up on posting on forums years ago. I've wasted close to 3 hours on your incessant babbling.

 

[[cL]]

I'm pretty much done here.
It makes you look foolish when you jump the gun. You complain that Cena won the championship, I'm solving your problem by telling you to wait before you get your balls in a bunch about it.

If i waited, I wouldn't have had this wonderfully fulfilling back and forth with you.

And you're jumping the gun because you fail to realize there's a fallout after the match. What if Del Rio comes out tomorrow and says he's quitting or some shit? Then everything you've complained about today makes you look stupid.

I DON'T fail to realize it. I actually KNOW its coming, and YET i'm still underwhelmed by the development of the story thus far. Whats so hard for you to understand that I-can-discuss-my-feelings-toward-the-progression-of-a-story-whether-you-agree-or-noooooooooooot?

By Sheamus. An over babyface who is number two on Smackdown when it comes to top babyfaces.

yes.

Where the fuck would his place be on this ppv? Especially when every match is a championship match. He's done for now.

Do you enjoy making my points for me or is it a side job....i don't owe you money for this do I, cause I didn't ask you to do that..."especially when every match is a championship match" you sure EVERY match was a championship match? Or was one, NOT a championship match...

Wrestlemania is 6 or so months away. Plenty could be done before then. Del Rio could always lead the other team against Cena and The Rock you know...

very true.

Why the fuck didn't it? Was Christian not in the main event for roughly six months with one of the most over baby faces? He's feuding with Sheamus, another top baby face. Explain to me how Christian isn't at a higher level now then he was before Orton came along...

I did already. He is on a higher level than he was before Edge left. Fine. I'll concede that. But how has 2 miserably failed title runs, and a whiny heel run made him that much more credible than he was?

Sheamus? Mid card? Sheamus? The second most over guy on the Smackdown roster? Sheamus?

yes

Christian was put on the back burner to feud with another top babyface in Sheamus. Still higher then he was before.

How are you put on "the back burner" to feud with "another top babyface"....
You prove my point like its your job...lol He may be higher than he was before...fine. But really, Sheamus vs Christian in a main event? on a PPV? Really?

No, by better feud I mean main fucking eventing a ppv.

...because MITB and SS against Cena weren't main events for him. Neither one of those matches were up for match of the year...Thats why they decided to kill the Cena/Punk feud and have him feud with a man who hasn't wrestled since Mania and a man who can't walk without crying.
I see your point.

 

[#hamler]

W

If i waited, I wouldn't have had this wonderfully fulfilling back and forth with you.

Irrelevant.

I DON'T fail to realize it. I actually KNOW its coming, and YET i'm still underwhelmed by the development of the story thus far. Whats so hard for you to understand that I-can-discuss-my-feelings-toward-the-progression-of-a-story-whether-you-agree-or-noooooooooooot?

Because you bitched about Cena. I pointed out what happened to Christain and you bitch more.

Do you enjoy making my points for me or is it a side job....i don't owe you money for this do I, cause I didn't ask you to do that...

Because Christian is on the back burner?

"especially when every match is a championship match" you sure EVERY match was a championship match? Or was one, NOT a championship match...

I'm so fucking sorry, I suppose Punk and Triple H should have been thrown out so Christian can wrestle so people won't claim he's being buried or whatever.

I did already. He is on a higher level than he was before Edge left. Fine. I'll concede that. But how has 2 miserably failed title runs, and a whiny heel run made him that much more credible than he was?

Its more likely for him to win a World Championship now. He was never on that level.

How are you put on "the back burner" to feud with "another top babyface"....
You prove my point like its your job...lol He may be higher than he was before...fine. But really, Sheamus vs Christian in a main event? on a PPV? Really?

Do you not cook? You put something on the back burner to cook something else on the front. Then you can continue to cook it. Christian- feud with Sheamus so Henry can have some time to shine. Get it?

...because MITB and SS against Cena weren't main events for him. Neither one of those matches were up for match of the year...Thats why they decided to kill the Cena/Punk feud and have him feud with a man who hasn't wrestled since Mania and a man who can't walk without crying.

Is Triple H still not credible? Punk's feud evolved into something more...

I see your point.

Moron.

 

[harrythem]

I'm going to be strange and quote Shane Helms:

"Paul Heyman once told me in a perfect match one guy goes over....and the other guys gets over"

Now, that would be the problem with this match for me. In the build up we've had ADR not being on TV because of visa issues (bad planning by him and WWE) and had Cena bury him (and the rest of the roster,except for CM Punk) on the mike ("I'm sick of making average look awesome. There is only one guy who can hang with me. You are not CM Punk") then, it comes to ADR's first PPV defence and he goes down to the 1-2-3...

I know this feud is (most likely) going to have a rematch at HIAC and somehow meld into Rock/Cena SS stuff in November but, why not let ADR steal a win, just to make his claims of destiny seem more....believable. Instead we have yet another heel champion who can't win against the big boys (like Miz, Sheamus and Christian). It annoys me yet, I see why they do it, just wish there was a legitimate main event level heel that can have a chance against the top faces.

As I said at the start, guy goes over, other gets over, this match didn't achieve the second which means, as a match, this didn't achieve what it SHOULD set out to do. As a storyline reason I'll wait until a week or 2 to see how it pans out...

 

[AlphaYeti]

I'd just like to start off with an off-topic comment directed at Hamler: I've just gone through this thread looking for your replies to idiotic statements posted with no real back-up facts/reasoning to them. You, sir, are my idol.

Now, back on topic.

Of course Cena's the champ again, he draws. It might be stale and predictable but if it aint broke, don't fix it.

I'm also 100% in agreement with those of you who've posted regarding how ADR's loss could be similar to Christian's feud with Orton. If it's booked right and he gets a few dirty wins and looks like he's going to break Cena's arm or rip his pec muscle again at least once leading up to the next title match (assuming his rematch will be at HIAC) then there's a strong chance ADR will start drawing more heat and gain more credibility with the writers (leading to another, hopefully much longer, title reign leading into WM28).

 

[Redemption-2012]

All of you people need to stop bitching and moaning and having different opinions about what you think about John Cena, how you feel of him is totally irrelavent. He is the 10 time champ for a reason, he is so over and he is pretty much the champ for life, he has earned that nickname just like The Rock earned the right to be called The People's champ, Cena has indeed as we are all aware busted his freaken A** off for the WWE and he deserves that recognition. Del Rio character is very stale and he just doesn't seem ti have evolved since his debut just over a year ago, he isn't over with the crowd as a heel he barely gets a reaction. The crowd just simply don't give a damn about him. It's interesting to see how they have put the belt back on the biggest draw in the WWE, but remember HIAC is just 2 weeks away, the build will be horrible for this event but we'll just have to wait and see. I can see a rematch possibly at HIAC and then followed a triple threat match at Vengeance, i think Del Rio will be champ again by HIAC mainly due to the mexico tour, but that is really the only reason. The guy couldn't draw to save his life. Maybe CM Punk will finaly get the back at the Vengeance Pay-per-view.

 

[mrwilliams061088]

This is what I hate about the IWC. You assume that just because you hate Cena the entire world does. Newsflash, everyone does NOT hate Cena. Somehow you come to the ridiculous conclusion that Cena being wwe champion is bad for business. Cena is the face of the company so it really shouldn't come as that much of a shock that he's the wwe champion again. But we should bury Cena and and push guys like Ryder right? Am I in love with Cena being champ again so soon? No, not by a longshot but I get that he's the face of the company and he's the wwe's cash cow. If it's so bad, if Cena being champ is so bad, TURN IT OFF. You get on here week after week and bitch about Cena this and Cena that and yet you keep watching. So if you're still watching apparently it must not be that bad. Cena is the wwe champion, get over it .Del Rio lost sure, but this doesn't mean del rio is just completely out of the picture, he could very well regain the title again at the next ppv so stop complaining and for the love of God please stop with the "I hate Cena" threads, you hate John Cena, we get it!!! Or you could just simply stop watching.

 

[jmh1971nyr]

Honestly I can't stand Cena, and never will like the guy, but in all reality ADR wasn't going over AT ALL!!! What did you expect WWE to do? Short of giving Ricardo the belt for a heal champ or changing to match so Cena wasn't in it.

 

[mr.wrestling iv]

How is Del Rio losing the championship this quickly any different then any other MITB winner losing?

Last year we had The Miz and Jack Swagger. At least Swagger beat Orton. I'll give WWE that much. But his dull feud with Big Show & his loss to Rey Rey? Handled poorly. Miz benifited better from his MITB reign. He overcame Orton. Looked sorta weak against Lawler, due to needing help to retain the title. CM Punk's two MITB title reigns weren't great either. RVD, Edge's two MITB reigns, not the greatest either. So this falls right in line with the MITB history. Shitty reign after winning the belt in a non competitive match, at least RVD had a competitive match. But still. You win. Get full of yourself, yay, I won the Heavyweight Championship. Then lose because you were full of yourself for winning the belt by the cheapest of means. Del Rio could have lost the title to CM Punk, it was going to happen this way regardless.

As far as where Del Rio goes from here? I highly doubt he will look better then he did when he won the championship. If Del Rio were fired today I wouldn't mourn his departure. For me, Del Rio is just there. He did what he could. He's not champion anymore. And I could care less Cena is champion again. I'm more pissed off Beth lost to K2... AGAIN. At least Cena can work a match. K2 can work my... you know. lol.

 

[Marionerro]

I said before match start that if Cena wins,I won't watch RAW until Rock come back...I said that because I was 99.9% sure that Del Rio will in match...Of course he didn't which means that I won't watch RAW any more(until Rock) and honestly...I'm glad cuz before this match i had no feelings for him and now I simply hate him...
The worst move WWE made in last few years...Alltrought every move where Cena win with his supernatural strenght is the worst move they done...And everyone saiying that he's top draw...No he isn't...Not anymore...PUNK is...Whan Rock come back he will be...Maybe kids love Cena but there are 3 times more Punk fans right now than Cena's...They could pull out Cena until WM and rating and sell merch. would be the same...I think one of WWE writers is in love with Cena soo he make sure that Cena keep to be a champ...

Goodbye RAW until Rock come back and bring a life to WWE again...

 

[willross]

For everyone worried, please remember what happened to Edge in 2006. The exact same thing happened. He cashed in on a vulnerable champ then lost it the next PPV to Cena. He spent the next 4, 5 months or so proving he isn't a fluke champion and eventually became a legit mainstay.

You can't panic until you see the end result. If everyone flipped shit when Edge lost and stopped watching you would of missed him becoming an 11 time champion in 5 years so everyone calm down. Cena is the biggest draw and star in the business right now (that is active full time)

 

[DanielJames]

YES. This is what Im saying.

People do this excuse crap over and over and over. Like lemmings or sheep falling down a mountain.

We do NOT have to keep falling for this ''Wait until tomorrow'' crap for Raws. We're sick and tired, and SICK AND TIRED of being SICK and TIRED.

Period.

I personally find it idiotic for the things they did tonight. The BIG THREE dumb things

1) Trips beating punk/The WHOLE match after miz etc interfered.
2) Cena beating Del Rio
3) Phoenix losing to KELLY F**KING KELLY AGAIN

I agree with you dude. last night really pissed me off. those three especially.

look at that, the wwe had a great chance to make the divas interesting again. phoenix got a monster reaction and made the crowd care about a divas match. hell kelly got you cant wrestle chants!
hey who else got you cant wrerstle chants, oh yeah, the guy who walked out wwe champ. i went into this ppv with some high hopes, but the wwe really let me down this time. and i'm normally one to brush off what they've done and say its not that bad, but NOC was a waste.

 

[RedBeardHair]

now it could just be me but isnt fairly common for the money in the bank winner to drop the title quickly? lets see edge the first time after 3 weeks. punk first time after a month. rvd 2 titles after 2 months. swagger after 3. last year the miz was the excepation not the rule.

 

[TLK]

sigh...

1) Trips beating Punk makes sense for the storyline to continue. Remember, it's not like Punk got squashed by some jobber and lost all of his credibility, like some of you seem to believe. Triple H is one of the most credible superstars in history, and it took a shitload of interference and three Pedigrees to pin Punk. He'll be back out there tomorrow dropping pipe bombs and garnering a reaction, so don't worry.

2) I felt it a little silly for Del Rio to drop the belt this early but since Cena will likely be moving towards his program with The Rock commencing at Survivor Series, there is ample time to make Del Rio credible. Beating Cena @ HIAC would be a great start. Cena doesn't need the title to make his program with The Rock interesting, but it wouldn't surprise me if Vince wanted the strap on him while promoting S. Series as broadly as he has been planning.
3) I wanted Beth to win, but it wasn't so much that Beth lost as how she lost. Same way two PPVs in a row is pretty shocking, as she seems to be built as an intelligent, dominant heel wrestler. Weird, but oh well.

edit - I think RVD lost his title because of backstage issues.

 

[RJJ]

Night Of Champions was a graveyard. 1st Cena burying ADR, to become the wwe champion AGAIN. IMO, that was pointless, there is no reason for cena to be around the title picture at this point. I know that ADR reign was boring, but atleast give the strap to other talents. LMAO!! That's BS!! Even hogan wasn't that dominant, back in the day.

2nd, HHH burying punk. No surprise. He's known for doing that to every raising stars, and punk was no different. The funny thing is HHH looked shot as hell. It took him alot of time to get up after taking a bump, not to mention he could barley move. This fued was the only reason why I watch raw every monday, but after what happened last night, I think I'm done. I'll wait till The Rock show up.

 

[Twiztid Rodimus]

Then quit watching (and quite using cliched lines like that). Not a big deal. You're a drop of piss in the bigger bucket. All of you. You cry about Cena, but you keep watching. You hate the guy, but instead of ignoring him you give him reactions, making sure that hated or loved he's getting the biggest reactions each and every night. You spout your hyperbole that he's somehow bad for business or that just because a handful of you mouth breathers around here hate him that somehow that means every adult male in the universe must hate him. Go watch some Juggalo Wrestling shit, chump.



And in you're little world, "everyone" means "me and the people who agree with me, not the millions who don't". He is not following the path of Hogan, he is making his own. Again, mouth breathers and their hyperbole.



That wasn't a feeding. "Feeding" is Bob Backlund dropping the title to Nash in a matter of seconds. "Feeding" is Honky Tonk Man dropping the IC strap to the Ultimate Warrior. Granted, the finish wasn't my favorite of the night; I thought Del Rio tapped out a little too quickly and that the ending just kinda happened a few minutes before I felt it should have. However, claiming that Del Rio is totally fucked right now is a little over reactionary.

Also: fuck the haters, Hamler takes some names and kicks some ass when he wants to.

I will do, and say, what I wish, and no one on the net will change that.

People see Twiztid in my name and automatically assume Im some idiot juggalo, Thanks for the assumption. So I figure, I'll assume as well. Last night when I posted, I was quick, now, its time to chomp that ass

I ASSUME your a Cena fan boy, I assume you believe wrestling is still real, and I ASSUME you have no understanding of the possibility that others can share an opposite of your opinion, no matter if you like it or not.

I personally, have no issue with John, his matches entertain, sell shirts (Which as a fan, I can give a **** about, since I AM NOT GETTING A CENT) But, I am personally, just sick of seeing him with the belt, point blank period.

This idea, of. ''What until tomorrow'', ''be patient'', ''let the storyline play out'' is corny, and a very sheep like mentality. I can choose to complain on things I disagree with, and spend time of my day on. Since when do I need to suck it up, and enjoy it just because you do? When? I'm an adult, and will complain/cheer/jeer/bitch and moan about whatever I feel. I don't troll, I spend money on, watch and give time to wrestling, and I have earned my right to do so.

Try again. And your leaving a negative feedback on me, Means nothing. More than enough agree with me. Go spin your plastic title, and get off my nuts. Seriously

 

[FutureCreative]

Hmm, I did raise that point in a previous thread...

Rock leaking that SS pic was confirmation Del Rio would retain (to me). What sort of a PPV, that Vince wants huge corporate sponsorship from, doesn't have a marquee championship match?

Oh where's Punk's rematch clause? Cash in tonight please.

 

[wushady]

Wahhhh fucking wahhh!

Goddammit I'm sick of reading it. Is this feud over? Have you watched a pre-taped Raw that I don't know about? Can you see in the future? Please for the love of god, explain to me why anyone has a problem wit this?? What the fuck did Christian just come off of? A phenomenal feud with Randy Orton who "stole" the World Title from him five days after he won it. Now look at Christian, he's a fucking main event player. How about someone closes this thread, and then you can make it tomorrow once you see the fallout of tonight's show?

Couldn't agree more with all your points Hamler. Just to add a couple possibilities. Maybe Del Rio still has some visa work to clear up and may have to miss a few more shows. I know the WWE is touring Mexico soon and if I'm not mistaken may have the Raw taping there for the first time. What better way to please the Mexican fans by having one of their own win the WWE title there. Which in my opinion would be more significant than him successfully defending it.

I too would like to see him or someone else have a decent reign. Like Hamler, Jack Hammer and a few others said it's way too early to jump the gun. Cena's last to reigns were merely transitional to further storylines.

 

[Astaff]

My problem with the Cena match is he doesn't need the title. The fued had absolutely no build and Del Rio was fed to Cena like everyone else in the company. The WWE wonders why nobody gets behind their new stars well this is a perfect example. They delay ADR winning a title endlessly and when he finally wins the title he is made to look weak and loses clean. They did the same thing with the Miz. Honestly the only heel who looks strong right now is Mark Henry.

 

[itssoeasy123]

I am legit shocked at Cena winning. I don't like the hot potato booking, and the WWE Championship has changed hands what, 5 times in 1 month? I think this is very weird to have Del Rio lose after a month of having it, after he was going to win it a long time ago. Also, there's the Mexican tour coming next month, so I'm surprised that Cena won it now, and they didn't wait until Vengeance at least. I'm a fan of Cena as WWE Champion, as Del Rio being Champion, and I think everything that has happened on the RAW side has been a big clusterfuck and just hot shot booking every since the end of Summerslam.

 

[The Champ]

They hot shotted the belt to Cena because they want ratings. Which is understandable in a sense, but they should have never taken it off him in the first place. Now Del Rio has no briefcase, no title, and his momentum has been halted. I'll never complain about Cena being the champion, but this is why I wish WWE wouldn't always look for any excuse to change the world titles. Do you guys realize that there have been eight world title changes since Money in the Bank. Eight. In a span of two months. I mean come on, the hot potato really needs to stop.

The actual fact of Cena being champion, I have no problem with at all and am, in fact, very happy about. But I can't deny that WWE did a pretty terrible job of booking this Del Rio reign, and once again I see the pattern of them pushing people and then laying off almost as soon as they finally win the big one.

 

[Notorious718]

I can understand where a lot of people are coming from. A lot of people are tired of seeing Cena in the title picture. People argue that ratings haven't been that great during Del Rio's reign but don't forget that last week RAW competed with and will continue to compete with Monday Night Football. I don't think it's really fair entirely point the finger of blame at Del Rio. That said, as far as Cena winning the belt again goes I've got no complaints. I'll admit that I'm not really Del Rio's biggest fan but the fact is that Del Rio (surprisingly really) isn't that over with the audience which I find a little odd considering his gimmick. He has the tools to become a good champion in the future but apparently, creative didn't think he was ready to hold the belt long term right now. I attribute some of this to Del Rio's visa issues as well as this being a case of too much too soon. In my ideal little world, Del Rio would've had more buildup prior to his cash-in similar to what Daniel Bryan is doing at the moment.

But I'm gonna try to be optimistic. I won't jump to conclusions or bash this decision without finding out what happens next. I'm sure there's more to this than meets the eye and that Del Rio will have something in store for him in the future.

 

[DirtyJosé]

I will do, and say, what I wish, and no one on the net will change that.

You also really can't do much for the reputation of being an idiot.

People see Twiztid in my name and automatically assume Im some idiot juggalo, Thanks for the assumption. So I figure, I'll assume as well. Last night when I posted, I was quick, now, its time to chomp that ass

Chomp that ass? Um...ok, dude. Whatever you want.

I ASSUME your a Cena fan boy, I assume you believe wrestling is still real, and I ASSUME you have no understanding of the possibility that others can share an opposite of your opinion, no matter if you like it or not.

Lovely that your assumptions are not only all entirely false, but also demonstrated as untrue with post later in the thread. I guess, though, that I shouldn't be surprised that someone like you is more than happy to make petty assumptions without taking the time to educated themselves on the situation better. It's like you're all reaction and no well thought out observations.

I personally, have no issue with John, his matches entertain, sell shirts (Which as a fan, I can give a **** about, since I AM NOT GETTING A CENT) But, I am personally, just sick of seeing him with the belt, point blank period.

This idea, of. ''What until tomorrow'', ''be patient'', ''let the storyline play out'' is corny, and a very sheep like mentality. I can choose to complain on things I disagree with, and spend time of my day on. Since when do I need to suck it up, and enjoy it just because you do? When? I'm an adult, and will complain/cheer/jeer/bitch and moan about whatever I feel. I don't troll, I spend money on, watch and give time to wrestling, and I have earned my right to do so.

And you can say what you want, no one ever told you that you CAN'T. People have just pointed out, for the sake of discussion and debate, that you should grow up a little and see outside of just your little box of the world. Whether you want to or not is still your choice to make, but venting out and then expecting no one to pick apart your petty and selfish ranting is stupid. This is a discussion and debate forum. Get the fuck over yourself.

Try again. And your leaving a negative feedback on me, Means nothing. More than enough agree with me. Go spin your plastic title, and get off my nuts. Seriously

Stop taking yourself so seriously. And stop taking this stuff so seriously. You come at me about probably thinking it's all still real, yet you're the one bent out of shape because the guy you didn't want to win a scripted fake fight/title won anyway. Again, I'm not excited about it either, but I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch about it. There's likely a rational explanation for the booking, which I'm inclined to believe is a slight loss of faith in ADR's ability to hold the title and generate heat. Going into a tour of Mexico, tickets will still sell well because of him because he'll likely be going after Cena for the belt, so there's no real loss there for them.

You speak about people being "sheep", but sheep don't really show much independent intelligent thought; they just react and follow others, which seems more like what you do. See you in the next generic Cena hate thread, chump.

 

[King Blitzkonic]

I begin a thread that should sound mature and it devolves into a bunch of little nitpicking shouting matches. DirtyJose, I didn't make it a shit thread, amigo. I was actually looking for MATURE, RATIONAL thoughts. Guess that was too much to ask when the name of the most holy John Cena got involved. -yawns-

Maybe I'm old school, but I'm from the belief that a world title match should be the main event and should be the focus of the product. Maybe it IS better that Cena won it seeing as there has been little to no build for the feud thusfar. That doesn't mean I have to like it, and it doesn't mean that I cannot state simply why I felt it was a bad decision.

 

[Skairipa Matrix]

i cant stand cena but i do think it was a GREAT move taking the title off del rio! because del rio sucks on the mic and based off what ive seen from his ring work...supercena and superorton have more moves then him and they still would if they went down to a dredded 4 moves of doom! cena can always drop the title (hopefully to punk) before survivor series if hes gonna be in a tradtional survivor series elimination match take the belt off him at vengance giving punk the belt back as he was the only good wwe champion this year besides miz...speaking of miz maybe he could get another run soon? plus the fact with the belt on cena theres more people to challenge him (del rio,punk,miz,truth and maybe more i cant think of) while with del rio as champ its only gonna be cena facing him as cena refuses to step out of the title picture...i just hope rock vs cena isnt for the wwe title as rock doesnt deserve a wwe title shot at wrestlemania and then wtf is the rumble winner gonna do with DBD cashing in at mania?