Not Again!

[King Blitzkonic]

If you haven't seen it yet, John Cena is your NEW WWE champion once again for the... I forget how many times this is now. I'm not surprised since Cena is supposedly the top draw. I don't like Cena but it's beside the point here as this win is a bad decision for two main reasons:

1) Del Rio never even got a chance to prove himself as champion. He kept getting pushed aside for the HHH/CM Punk storyline, so they put it right back on Cena for "ratings". I don't remember the last time there was a reigning world champion more than 3 months in the past couple years.

2) If the Rock is to be believed, Cena is going to be in a survivor series elimination match in November. Can't really drop the title before then as people will yell it's a cheapened reign, but if he's in that match he won't be defending. Good job WWE.

This may get closed but here's the truth: Don't bother with the MITB concept if you're not wanting to make real champions.

 

[arrive_raisehell_leave]

Del Rio could've been such a good heel champion. One of the best wrestlers in the WWE with a wrestling and MMA background. Clearly better than Cena and a heel champion is what WWE needed. Was looking forward to a Punk vs Del Rio feud. Oh well, another few months of kids and online wrestling nerds creaming their pants over a talentless 10 time champ that has five moves and is worse than Batista on the mic.

Del Rio better win his rematch or I'll kick off.


I've seen better acting in porn. #F*ckCena

 

[klipz.nbd]

Yeah, im completely speechless. I don't even know what to think now Cena is champ AGAIN. Having Del Rio cash in was completely pointless now, he had the title for what 4 weeks and wasn't even on tv one of those weeks!

Really let down after this PPV. WWE followed up some great months of programming with a really bad ending to Night of Champions. Where was the twist? The shock moment or the swerve to make us want to tune in tomorrow night?! It finished with Triple H letting his ego get even bigger.

 

[keehlnate]

Cena is now the 10-time WWE champion and a 12-time world champion. Even if Del Rio wins this match (or retains the title) I'm sure it's because of Ricardo Rodriguez interfering, via count out, via DQ or whatever cheap tricks. Del Rio can't win against Cena on a fair match because Del Rio's finisher won't work on Cena because he never taps out. So sorry, Cena wins here. Well deserve win by Cena. Let's go Cena

 

[TheLambofDeth]

This is why people hate Cena. I know he's not booking himself, but you can't hate the bookers now can you. All personal bias aside...why did Cena win this match? I mean I know why...but why? I really don't care for Del Rio, but where does he go from here. His ring announcer was already getting more heat them him, and now he get embarrassed like this. All the build up to make him actually seem like a legit contender just to be fed to Cena?

And how many times has Cena had the belt this year? He's a 12 time champ in his early 30's? I don't care if he's your main draw, or your only draw...sooner or later you have to actually give someone else a viable chance.

/rant

 

[#hamler]

Wahhhh fucking wahhh!

Goddammit I'm sick of reading it. Is this feud over? Have you watched a pre-taped Raw that I don't know about? Can you see in the future? Please for the love of god, explain to me why anyone has a problem wit this?? What the fuck did Christian just come off of? A phenomenal feud with Randy Orton who "stole" the World Title from him five days after he won it. Now look at Christian, he's a fucking main event player. How about someone closes this thread, and then you can make it tomorrow once you see the fallout of tonight's show?

 

[Twiztid Rodimus]

The threads about Cena winning the title tonight. And that people are unhappy with that regardless of what happens tomorrow. Enough said idiot.

YES. This is what Im saying.

People do this excuse crap over and over and over. Like lemmings or sheep falling down a mountain.

We do NOT have to keep falling for this ''Wait until tomorrow'' crap for Raws. We're sick and tired, and SICK AND TIRED of being SICK and TIRED.

Period.

I personally find it idiotic for the things they did tonight. The BIG THREE dumb things

1) Trips beating punk/The WHOLE match after miz etc interfered.
2) Cena beating Del Rio
3) Phoenix losing to KELLY F**KING KELLY AGAIN

 

[Pink Wolf]

i am extremely upset with this. Del Rio should have had a heel victory, either by cheating or DQ. I'm tired of Cena. He is really following the path of Hulk Hogan. Everyone is going to start hating him.

Why did Del Rio have to tap. That's what infuriates me. He was the Royal Rumble winner and headlined wrestlemania. The guy was becoming legit. Then he gets fed to Cena and taps. He became Cena's bitch.

 

[#hamler]

The threads about Cena winning the title tonight. And that people are unhappy with that regardless of what happens tomorrow. Enough said idiot.

Enough said? No, not really. Explain to me what's so bad about Cena winning the Championship again? I gave you a perfect example of Christian winning the championship, losing it quickly and going on to become bigger then he originally was. And regardless of what happens tomorrow? I guess Del Rio could challenge Cena to another match and that wouldn't matter would it? You're still gonna complain and bitch because Cena is doing what he does best - being on top of the roster. The Cena hating is getting old. Do you even realize what a long and drawn out feud with John Cena could do for someone's career? And you want to sit there and complain. It's fucking ridiculous.

 

[DirtyJosé]

YES. This is what Im saying.

People do this excuse crap over and over and over. Like lemmings or sheep falling down a mountain.

We do NOT have to keep falling for this ''Wait until tomorrow'' crap for Raws. We're sick and tired, and SICK AND TIRED of being SICK and TIRED.

Period.

Then quit watching (and quite using cliched lines like that). Not a big deal. You're a drop of piss in the bigger bucket. All of you. You cry about Cena, but you keep watching. You hate the guy, but instead of ignoring him you give him reactions, making sure that hated or loved he's getting the biggest reactions each and every night. You spout your hyperbole that he's somehow bad for business or that just because a handful of you mouth breathers around here hate him that somehow that means every adult male in the universe must hate him. Go watch some Juggalo Wrestling shit, chump.

i am extremely upset with this. Del Rio should have had a heel victory, either by cheating or DQ. I'm tired of Cena. He is really following the path of Hulk Hogan. Everyone is going to start hating him.

And in you're little world, "everyone" means "me and the people who agree with me, not the millions who don't". He is not following the path of Hogan, he is making his own. Again, mouth breathers and their hyperbole.

Why did Del Rio have to tap. That's what infuriates me. He was the Royal Rumble winner and headlined wrestlemania. The guy was becoming legit. Then he gets fed to Cena and taps. He became Cena's bitch.

That wasn't a feeding. "Feeding" is Bob Backlund dropping the title to Nash in a matter of seconds. "Feeding" is Honky Tonk Man dropping the IC strap to the Ultimate Warrior. Granted, the finish wasn't my favorite of the night; I thought Del Rio tapped out a little too quickly and that the ending just kinda happened a few minutes before I felt it should have. However, claiming that Del Rio is totally fucked right now is a little over reactionary.

Also: fuck the haters, Hamler takes some names and kicks some ass when he wants to.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I can understand some of the frustration. I was disappointed that Cena won the title again tonight. Not that the reasons aren't clear, he is the biggest face in WWE after all, but I'm still burned out on seeing John Cena in the WWE Championship picture altogether. It's kind of like the same reason that Sting & Kurt Angle have generally been in the TNA World Heavyweight Championship picture in TNA: they have faith in Sting & Angle whereas they don't have that much faith in all that many others on their roster. It's kinda the same thing with the WWE if you substitute Sting & Angle with Cena. Just like with Sting & Angle, I'm not all that wild about seeing Cena there again.

But, I'm a realistic guy and I think Hamler made some good points about a few things. When Christian lost the WHC, the IWC was in an uproar and jumped the gun. Christian went onto be a bigger star than ever after his first run so there's no saying that couldn't happen with Del Rio. Aside from that, Raw's ratings have been taking something of a nosedive since Del Rio has been champion. I know that it's probably not fair to lay that on Del Rio but that also doesn't mean that WWE isn't going to twiddle its thumbs in the hopes that fans might accept Del Rio at this particular point in time if they give him enough time.

 

[Chicago Made]

Wahhhh fucking wahhh!

Goddammit I'm sick of reading it. Is this feud over? Have you watched a pre-taped Raw that I don't know about? Can you see in the future? Please for the love of god, explain to me why anyone has a problem wit this?? What the fuck did Christian just come off of? A phenomenal feud with Randy Orton who "stole" the World Title from him five days after he won it. Now look at Christian, he's a fucking main event player. How about someone closes this thread, and then you can make it tomorrow once you see the fallout of tonight's show?

The main event player that didn't even have a match on the ppv tonight.

As I said in a different thread, I can't stand ADR so I have no problem with him dropping the belt(and getting off my tv entirely to be honest) but people have the right to be angry and hell...just bored with Cena's booking at this point.

 

[DirtyJosé]

Did you see what Christian has done? Get his ass beat all summer and get 2 title reigns for like 2 weeks total?

And go from mediocre face living in Edge's shadow to solid heel main event players who headlined PPV's and is showing no signs of disappearing just yet. Yeah, once again (all together now guys!): fucking mouth breathers and their over reactionary hyperbole.

Also, who was the ****** claiming no one's had a 3 month reign in years? Did they just forget about The Miz entirely? Whiners like you make up facts to suite your damaged sensibilities and blame everything you can for things not going your way.

Don't like it? Don't watch it. Just stop acting like it's a bigger deal than it is. Criticism is one thing, but making exaggerations is just silly. I didn't really care for HHH/Punk ending the way it did, and I'm not the biggest fan of how Punk has been handled since MitB, but you don't see me claiming that it's going to ruin wrestling or that everyone hates it. It's my opinion, I own it, and I'm not going to pretend that it's anything else but that. Take ownership of your opinions, children, and stop making things out to be bigger than they really are.

 

[Headman]

Remember when having the belt seemed almost as part of Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan's gimmick? That's because they were the top man in their respective promotion. Del Rio isn't even close. People just need to stop getting so bent out of shape about the top of the card and worry about the parts of the card they do care about.

 

[darthrapture]

Did you see what Christian has done? Get his ass beat all summer and get 2 title reigns for like 2 weeks total?

You forgot get his face crushed with a Brogue kick.

I could argue Christian was at his height of glory at Elimination Chamber when he came to Edge's aid and fought of Del Rio. Or the weeks leading into Mania as he bitch slapped around the number one contender to the WHC, Alberto Del Rio. I can also argue that the only benefit he got out of feuding with Orton was that he got to wrestle third to last on a few PPVs with Orton or main event a SD Super Show. They turned him back into the whiny Christian of DDP days, only without the DDP. All, so much like in the instance with John Cena tonight, Randy Orton can amass a total of 9 World Championship reigns.

Now, onto the subject at hand. The only thing they did tonight with Cena was find a way to put the belt back on him, without him defeating CM Punk for it. Albeit most of last year Cena did NOT hold the WWE title, but to put it on him 3 times in the last couple of months is rather excessive. That title hasn't stayed on anyone's waist for a real length of time since The Miz held it.

And to a previous poster, if you really wanna see the Cena hating stop, then wait until the WWE stops doing this with him. As long as John Cena remains the unstoppable force, the impossible to beat in any clean fashion face then the hating is going to continue. Hell, Randy Orton lost clean tonight to Mark Henry and I can't recall a time in the last few years that Cena has lost truly clean with the exception of the John Cena/Sheamus Tables match. Even then it was done to look like Cena beat himself as opposed to Sheamus winning on his own.

So, that is why there is so much Cena hating out there.

 

[Depakote]

Hamler has a point in that Del Rio will benefit from having a long feud with Cena, but that feud wouldve been much more interesting if Del Rio retained the title through typical heel actions allowing Cena to continue to chase the belt. Del Rio wouldve generated so much more heat if he retained the belt by screwing Cena.

To me, it just feels like management lost faith in Del Rio's ability to carry the belt in an extended feud with Cena, the way that the Miz did. I'm no Cena mark by any means but I'd much rather see him chasing the belt for a couple months in a feud than to see him carry it as a face.

 

[martymcfly]

If you haven't seen it yet, John Cena is your NEW WWE champion once again for the... I forget how many times this is now. I'm not surprised since Cena is supposedly the top draw. I don't like Cena but it's beside the point here as this win is a bad decision for two main reasons:

1) Del Rio never even got a chance to prove himself as champion. He kept getting pushed aside for the HHH/CM Punk storyline, so they put it right back on Cena for "ratings". I don't remember the last time there was a reigning world champion more than 3 months in the past couple years.

I would like to take a step back though and respond to the original poster's point above, because I think they are legitimate and intelligent points. Now obviously, I can't speak for why in the end WWE chose to go this route, but I'm willing to guess that it is because they didn't want to have this be the EXACT same story we saw with the last MITB winner, the Miz.

In that, the Miz won...and then he retained for a pretty long time due to cheating and outside interference and such from Riley. If we saw the exact same thing again from Del Rio, then there would probably be plenty of folks complaining about that.

So I'm guessing that in the end, the WWE had to decide...do we recycle the same story we did before with the last MITB winner, or do we let Cena be champ again? In the end, they made the choice that makes the most sense.

 

[RD_21]

Enough said? No, not really. Explain to me what's so bad about Cena winning the Championship again? I gave you a perfect example of Christian winning the championship, losing it quickly and going on to become bigger then he originally was. And regardless of what happens tomorrow? I guess Del Rio could challenge Cena to another match and that wouldn't matter would it? You're still gonna complain and bitch because Cena is doing what he does best - being on top of the roster. The Cena hating is getting old. Do you even realize what a long and drawn out feud with John Cena could do for someone's career? And you want to sit there and complain. It's fucking ridiculous.

The Cena hating is getting old? Then the Cena hating may have equal the "staleness" of his character and domination .

I mean, you think it feel old to you? Do you know how old it feels for them and me? You think people are happy of hating Cena? Trust me, wipe Cena from the face of the earth for 5-6 months and then those haters (I kind of hate that term because it make it sound like they don't have legit reason to do so) will be WAY happier.

And Christian, who are you trying to fool beside yourself? He's a weak heel who can't win and is not getting that over. Of course he's been in a good feud with Orton, but he could have done 1 or 2 successful defense and be more over, haven't you think about it? The feud could had keep going with Christian on top a little to give him some credibility.

No matter what happen next, Cena had no business winning tonight... and that's my opinion.

 

[JRogers36]

Enough said? No, not really. Explain to me what's so bad about Cena winning the Championship again? I gave you a perfect example of Christian winning the championship, losing it quickly and going on to become bigger then he originally was. And regardless of what happens tomorrow? I guess Del Rio could challenge Cena to another match and that wouldn't matter would it? You're still gonna complain and bitch because Cena is doing what he does best - being on top of the roster. The Cena hating is getting old. Do you even realize what a long and drawn out feud with John Cena could do for someone's career? And you want to sit there and complain. It's fucking ridiculous.

What is so bad is the fact that WWE can't stand to have someone hold the WWE championship and look legit without giving the belt right back to Cena. Why does he even lose the championship just to win it right back? Christian is pretty much doing the same thing as Cena with this "one more match" crap. Difference is Christian hasn't held it 80% of his career. How is Cena being the best? Yeah his match with Punk at MITB was awesome, but you wanna know why? Punk Carried him through the match. Yes I know Cena has beaten HHH, HBK, Orton, Edge, Jericho, Batista, Kurt Angle and every other major star in WWE. We hate him for the fact that WWE is so afraid to let anyone else look legit and dominate Cena. This whole "I won't back down, or quit, or let anyone else hold the heavyweight title on the brand that I'm on: is getting old as sh!t. I would love for someone to beat him in a last man standing match using duct tape so he can't get up, or beat him in an I Quit match by playing audio of Cena saying the words "I Quit", but then again I would love for someone to just beat Cena fairly. Remember when Championships ment something because the holder held it for over a year? When the amount of title reigns was low because they gave guys a chance? Now you have someone like Cena who is close to Flair's 16 time reign (As much as I hate Flair, but thats another topic), probably getting close to Edge's 50 combined championships and God only knows how many other accomplishments. I swear I wish Cena would just retire, or have that career ending injury, or something. I am so sick of "The Champ is [still] here" crap.

 

[Peoples_Champ]

At first I was :O about Del Rio losing (I'm a ADR fan), but I think he's a wrestler who is more believable from a "chasing the title" perspective. Keeping the title on him would have made him more legit, but there's plenty of opportunity to push him. Dont forget, WWE wanted him to have the belt since Wrestlemania.

I'm sure there's something in store for ADR, and I think the unexpected loss will get him more heat than winning.

 

[TheLambofDeth]

You forgot get his face crushed with a Brogue kick.

I could argue Christian was at his height of glory at Elimination Chamber when he came to Edge's aid and fought of Del Rio. Or the weeks leading into Mania as he bitch slapped around the number one contender to the WHC, Alberto Del Rio. I can also argue that the only benefit he got out of feuding with Orton was that he got to wrestle third to last on a few PPVs with Orton or main event a SD Super Show. They turned him back into the whiny Christian of DDP days, only without the DDP. All, so much like in the instance with John Cena tonight, Randy Orton can amass a total of 9 World Championship reigns.

Now, onto the subject at hand. The only thing they did tonight with Cena was find a way to put the belt back on him, without him defeating CM Punk for it. Albeit most of last year Cena did NOT hold the WWE title, but to put it on him 3 times in the last couple of months is rather excessive. That title hasn't stayed on anyone's waist for a real length of time since The Miz held it.

And to a previous poster, if you really wanna see the Cena hating stop, then wait until the WWE stops doing this with him. As long as John Cena remains the unstoppable force, the impossible to beat in any clean fashion face then the hating is going to continue. Hell, Randy Orton lost clean tonight to Mark Henry and I can't recall a time in the last few years that Cena has lost truly clean with the exception of the John Cena/Sheamus Tables match. Even then it was done to look like Cena beat himself as opposed to Sheamus winning on his own.

So, that is why there is so much Cena hating out there.

Why can people not respect that some people can have that opinion? If it's ok to adore Cena to the moon and back for all his dedication, hard work and drawing ability, then the other side of the coin should be fair play as well. I doesn't matter if Cena drew Jesus and Satan, the amount of reigns are getting a tad bit ridiculous. Just let him hold it for the next five years uninterrupted if no one else on the roster can step up. But, I digress.

If Alberto does go on to a bigger a better feud with Cena, i'll admit I was wrong, but Christian's case was different. He was portrayed as a whiny pissant and to have him lose in the fashion he did worked for his character. Del Rio was unique in sense that he was being booked at least as a semi-legit heel. MITB cash in aside, he was putting guys on the shelf and making faces tap. I don't see what, from a character standpoint Alberto gains from this. At the very least, he could've kept winning in typical heel fashion and claim "destiny" was keeping the strap on him. Now he just looks exposed by Cena, and its way to early for that to happen And even if this is going to be a repeat of Christan's angle...isn't it a little soon? A decent lengthed reign could've fit with the whole "Destiny" motif. But we'll just have to see where this goes from here.

 

[the Albanian viper]

ok to make it clear to you people the reason why wwe took the strap off ADR is because they want to set up some heat for the rock/cena match @ wrestlemania 28. I say this considering the rumored 5 on 5 match having them team up. (whih will also add heat) To be honest I like this move. Now im in no way a cena fan but i see there strategy in this, this is a good way for them to build hype and excitement for the next couple of ppvs

 

[DirtyJosé]

I could argue Christian was at his height of glory at Elimination Chamber when he came to Edge's aid and fought of Del Rio.

Yes. Carrying the belt for any length of time or headlining PPV's is NOTHING compared to being a side dish on a PPV for someone else's benefit.

Or the weeks leading into Mania as he bitch slapped around the number one contender to the WHC, Alberto Del Rio.

See above.

I can also argue that the only benefit he got out of feuding with Orton was that he got to wrestle third to last on a few PPVs with Orton or main event a SD Super Show.

That'd be a rather weak argument. The pay day alone makes being in a title match on PPV worth more than being Edge's lackey for a few weeks, and the relevance he carries now as a legit heel on SD is worth more than the weak face relevance he had as a non-entity on Raw being a proxy-Edge when it was needed. Christian is much better now than he was at the beginning of the year, and he has Orton to thank for it.

They turned him back into the whiny Christian of DDP days, only without the DDP. All, so much like in the instance with John Cena tonight, Randy Orton can amass a total of 9 World Championship reigns.

If there's an argument to be made here it's that the heel run allowed Christian to both get himself over and give Orton a desperately needed boost. Christian has always been known as a great worker capable of making others look golden as well. This time he got to have his cake and eat it too. Better being stuck in ECW.

And to a previous poster, if you really wanna see the Cena hating stop, then wait until the WWE stops doing this with him. As long as John Cena remains the unstoppable force, the impossible to beat in any clean fashion face then the hating is going to continue.

No one ever said that you should quit hating Cena. What I did say was that you should stop making it seem like you hating Cena equals everyone hating Cena, or that you hating Cena means that the business is fucked. Hate all you want. Pick apart what you hate about him if you wish. Just be prepared to back up what you say (like everyone around here should be prepared to debate most anything they post around here).

Hell, Randy Orton lost clean tonight to Mark Henry and I can't recall a time in the last few years that Cena has lost truly clean with the exception of the John Cena/Sheamus Tables match. Even then it was done to look like Cena beat himself as opposed to Sheamus winning on his own.

Oh yes, because it's certainly Cena or the booker's fault that Sheamus kinda blew his spot way back at that TLC match. Yup. Totally Cena's fault there.

So, that is why there is so much Cena hating out there.

Jeez, you peeps act like no one understands why you don't dig the guy. We get it, trust us. You've all only been repeating the same shitty crybaby threads over and over. It's not about hating Cena. It's about how you peeps usually bend it to seem like Cena is the wrestling Anti-Christ.

Hamler has a point in that Del Rio will benefit from having a long feud with Cena, but that feud wouldve been much more interesting if Del Rio retained the title through typical heel actions allowing Cena to continue to chase the belt. Del Rio wouldve generated so much more heat if he retained the belt by screwing Cena.

To me, it just feels like management lost faith in Del Rio's ability to carry the belt in an extended feud with Cena, the way that the Miz did. I'm no Cena mark by any means but I'd much rather see him chasing the belt for a couple months in a feud than to see him carry it as a face.

Hey! OMF'nG! Look at this people! Someone criticizing the finish, and picking apart the usual Cena booking, with logic and realism. Good for him. You should all take notes here.

 

[Depakote]

I'm sure there's something in store for ADR, and I think the unexpected loss will get him more heat than winning.

How? Losing clean to Cena isnt a shock to the fans anymore. Del Rio didnt make the fans want to see him get beat bad enough. Del Rio shouldve retained here so there couldve been a bigger pay-off in the end. He shouldve screwed Cena in typical heel fashion so he had something to brag about the next night on Raw. He shouldve kept screwing Cena like a traditional heel champ, but instead they pulled the plug on him. It really just makes me feel like management lost faith in Del Rio carrying the strap in this feud. Where does Del Rio go from here?

 

[HorsemenNo4]

Del Rio's reign was short and boring. The fact he had to return to Mexico to get his visa sorted out really hurt him. He wasn't seen for a week and when he did appear, it was backstage segments or in ring confrontations. I think he wrestled once or twice. Being a champion, you need to be seen and fight unlike the old days where a champion could miss a show now and than.

Del Rio's first reign will go down as pretty dull. Not to say he won't have a better run in the future. Just this one wasn't what people hoped.

Cena winning again isn't a surprise. Do I like it? no, HELL NO. Cena has to stay in the spotlight to keep building up his match with the Rock. Everything revolves around that at the moment. All these short feuds and championship runs don't mean crap. It shows because the title is changing hands quite often. The more I wait for the Cena/Rock match, the more I hate it. It feels like it's going to take forever to get there because Cena will remain the main man until than.

Here we go again with another boring and predictable title reign.