Not Again!

[DirtyJosé]

Del Rio's reign was short and boring. The fact he had to return to Mexico to get his visa sorted out really hurt him. He wasn't seen for a week and when he did appear, it was backstage segments or in ring confrontations. I think he wrestled once or twice. Being a champion, you need to be seen and fight unlike the old days where a champion could miss a show now and than.

Del Rio's first reign will go down as pretty dull. Not to say he won't have a better run in the future. Just this one wasn't what people hoped.

Pretty much this, especially the last part. Remember Sheamus' run? I do. As much as I wanted to get totally behind the guy and his push, I do recall it being a little tarnished by one too many Raw's where he didn't do anything, didn't have a match, and just stood out there and stared down Orton or Cena. Same thing here. Life worked against ADR for one reason or another. I'm not excited to seem him drop it like this so soon, but it's not the end of the world and it's likely not his last title.

The rest of the guy's post is pretty shit, but this part is spot on.

 

[Headman]

You forgot get his face crushed with a Brogue kick.

I could argue Christian was at his height of glory at Elimination Chamber when he came to Edge's aid and fought of Del Rio. Or the weeks leading into Mania as he bitch slapped around the number one contender to the WHC, Alberto Del Rio. I can also argue that the only benefit he got out of feuding with Orton was that he got to wrestle third to last on a few PPVs with Orton or main event a SD Super Show. They turned him back into the whiny Christian of DDP days, only without the DDP. All, so much like in the instance with John Cena tonight, Randy Orton can amass a total of 9 World Championship reigns.

Now, onto the subject at hand. The only thing they did tonight with Cena was find a way to put the belt back on him, without him defeating CM Punk for it. Albeit most of last year Cena did NOT hold the WWE title, but to put it on him 3 times in the last couple of months is rather excessive. That title hasn't stayed on anyone's waist for a real length of time since The Miz held it.

And to a previous poster, if you really wanna see the Cena hating stop, then wait until the WWE stops doing this with him. As long as John Cena remains the unstoppable force, the impossible to beat in any clean fashion face then the hating is going to continue. Hell, Randy Orton lost clean tonight to Mark Henry and I can't recall a time in the last few years that Cena has lost truly clean with the exception of the John Cena/Sheamus Tables match. Even then it was done to look like Cena beat himself as opposed to Sheamus winning on his own.

So, that is why there is so much Cena hating out there.

Why does it matter how Cena loses? I really need someone to explain to me what exactly it will do for the average Cena-critic (Not even saying hater) to see him lose cleanly. Aren't heels supposed to cheat anyway? I mean that's who Cena is fighting. Will losing clean help Cena or the WWE? Will it bring the IWC into his corner? Come on guys, help me out because I obviously need it.

 

[Depakote]

Why does it matter how Cena loses? I really need someone to explain to me what exactly it will do for the average Cena-critic (Not even saying hater) to see him lose cleanly. Aren't heels supposed to cheat anyway? I mean that's who Cena is fighting. Will losing clean help Cena or the WWE? Will it bring the IWC into his corner? Come on guys, help me out because I obviously need it.

Mark Henry got a clean win over Randy Orton. Of course, Henry has had way more buildup going into his match than Del Rio, but my point is that for a face like Cena or Orton, it doesnt hurt them at all to lose clean because it builds character when a face has to dig down deep and overcome the odds. However, they have only built Del Rio up as a cowardly heel and nothing else.

They havent built him up to be Mexico's next Kurt Angle. If they had built him up as being this phenomenal wrestler who posed a real threat to Cena, a clean win over Cena would be believable, just like Henry beating Orton. But Del Rio was made to look weak from the beginning so if he was going to win, he shouldve cheated.

Any good hero has flaws. Superman has Kryptonite. What's John Cena's kryptonite? If Superman always won without a struggle, without overcoming the affects of kryptonite, every issue of the Superman comic would be the same and it would get boring. Welcome to the majority of Cena's title runs.

 

[metalbass]

I really didn't like the ending of this match.

Let's get one thing straight before any stupid backlash. I am NOT a Cena hater. I think he's overexposed some but is very underrated in wrestling ability and is well over with the kids/women etc.

Here's my two main gripes:
ADR wasn't built enough to be a credible champion. In fact, his championship reign was about him NOT being deserving of the title thus attempting to discredit any legitimacy to the title in which he holds.

ADR was made to look WEAK in that match. He tapped out much to quick to the STF without as much of a real fight to speak of. He should have got to the ropes that time and maybe if the match was another 5 or so minutes I can see him possibly dropping the title and still making him look like a credible threat.

Here's how I would have booked it to build ADR's character and keep the strap on him:

We all know how ADR said he would be a fighting and honourable champion right?

Fast forward to the 5 moves of doom being hit (before the AA). ADR is on Cena's shoulders, slips behind him and shoves him into the ringpost, then makes his cowardly exit towards the back. John Cena eventually follows suit and Ricardo acts as a decoy in Cena's way. He gets shoved aside into the barricade and Cena finally catches up to him.

By this time, ADR is recovered and while Cena is trying to guide ADR towards the ring, he reverses it in the Cross Armbreaker on the floor, eventually leading the match to a double count out.

They can then build a bigger feud with the upcoming HIAC where Cena can mention that ADR can't escape. That can be a 'hell' of a match and Cena can then win the Championship without ADR looking bad.

 

[[cL]]

I hate the way the show ended. I hate the fact that Cena's champion again. I hate watching TRUTH/MIZ/NASH/ACE interfere in the match with no REAL understanding of what the heck was going on as everyone was fighting everyone. I hate being left with more questions than answers, but most of all I hate the fact that John Cena's champion again.
I don't have a time machine, I cant go into the future to see if HHH really actually buried Punk. I can't see into a crystal ball to see how/if Cena drops the title again and to who. I have no idea how storylines play out because I can't see into the future. What I DO know is that I am a card carrying member of the IWC and am entitled to my opinion, right or wrong, intelligent or ludicrous and any one of you members of the tool academy don't have ANY right to jump down the throats of the people who are mad about the events that happened tonight RIGHT NOW. If people are pissed today and want to rant about it today, then screw you and the horse you rode in on, we're gonna rant. If I hate Cena (and I actually don't but I AM sick of him) and I decide I want to go into every Cena Hate Forum there is and post, you and all of your Cena lovin homies ain't got a right to say nothin to me about it. I don't feel like waiting to the storyline has played out to air my opinions. I don't feel like keeping my thoughts to myself because YOU feel like I should. Thats what the I FREAKIN WC is for. Thats why it was created. So fans like myself can say what the heck we want. And I'm gonna freakin do that. TODAY.
I'm pissed that John Cena is champ. AGAIN.
I'm pissed that the Punk/HHH match ended the way it did.
I don't understand why the HELL KELLY effin KELLY is STILL Diva's Champ
and I don't understand why they took gave the belt to ADR just to have Cena get the belt back again a month later.
Maybe as I keep watching those answers will come. Or maybe they'll clusterf*** this up too.
Maybe the Punk storyline will turn out to be the best in HISTORY and push him to the heights of superstardom and I'll look back and be happy this happened. But as it stands, I hate that it happened. I hate that it happened, I HATE THAT IT FREAKIN HAPPENED.
Say somethin else.
Tell me I can't say what the freak I want.
Oh and about Christian? Yeah got him out of Edge's shadow. Taking the title off of him in less than a week...goes on to win it again by a dirty stipulation just to lose it AGAIN. Where was your "legit main eventer" tonight? Getting his face kicked off by Shaemus during a promo which was all he was doing tonight. Main eventer, on Smackdown.
Its like being the top draw on TNA.
Good one. You're smart as hell.
Douche bag.

 

[ECW Sandman]

Now correct me if I am wrong but I read some where that WWE was going to keep the title on Del Rio during the fall because they were going on tour to Mexico have they went to Mexico yet or no and if not then why in the hell did they put the title back on Cena when they said they were going to keep the title on Del Rio for the tour in Mexico some one explain that one to me please.

 

[Headman]

Mark Henry got a clean win over Randy Orton. Of course, Henry has had way more buildup going into his match than Del Rio, but my point is that for a face like Cena or Orton, it doesnt hurt them at all to lose clean because it builds character when a face has to dig down deep and overcome the odds. However, they have only built Del Rio up as a cowardly heel and nothing else.

They havent built him up to be Mexico's next Kurt Angle. If they had built him up as being this phenomenal wrestler who posed a real threat to Cena, a clean win over Cena would be believable, just like Henry beating Orton. But Del Rio was made to look weak from the beginning so if he was going to win, he shouldve cheated.

Any good hero has flaws. Superman has Kryptonite. What's John Cena's kryptonite? If Superman always won without a struggle, without overcoming the affects of kryptonite, every issue of the Superman comic would be the same and it would get boring. Welcome to the majority of Cena's title runs.

Kryptonite isn't a clean win. It's cheating. And Mark Henry is a monster heel, Del Rio is a cowardly heel. I think at the root of this is either a need to see Cena lowered to everyone else's level or a fundamental misunderstanding (Not on your part because you did explain that Del Rio was built as a cowardly heel) of what a heel does.

Now correct me if I am wrong but I read some where that WWE was going to keep the title on Del Rio during the fall because they were going on tour to Mexico have they went to Mexico yet or no and if not then why in the hell did they put the title back on Cena when they said they were going to keep the title on Del Rio for the tour in Mexico some one explain that one to me please.

Probably one of two things.. the whole "Del Rio is champion because..." was an internet rumor or Rey Mysterio was the champ they had in mind but he got hurt and Del Rio got a stay of execution as champion for a whole month. Either way, if Del Rio really is $$$$$$$$ in Mexico like people around here seem to think then he can draw money jobbing to Cena as the challenger every night of the tour. It makes no difference.

 

[Wade's Public Transit Bomb]

When I grow up, I want to be like Dirty Jose.. Minus the beer and calling people dipshits.


Anywho, I think the fact most was predicting Del Rio to hold the belt 'just because the WWE is touring Mexico soon.' I guess it would be a good reason if the guy was worth his push. Del Rio is pretty much a flop at this point all things considered. He wasn't interesting prattling on about his destiny (chasing the title) and he is the definition for 'forgettable' while he had the belt. Heck, he went MIA one week and no one cared.. Like at all.

It is still early in the guy's career and all, so maybe that was a little harsh. If people can cite that no one gives a shit about Dolph because he sorely lacks presence as a reason he isn't ready, then it fair to say the same about Del Rio.

Doesn't surprise me he lost the belt. The match had zero heat or interest in it, and a lot of has to do with having a champion that has zero heat or interest in him. I am hoping for a nice long reign from Cena. He is so much better than anyone in the company, it isn't fair.

 

[DirtyJosé]

I hate the way the show ended. I hate the fact that Cena's champion again. I hate watching TRUTH/MIZ/NASH/ACE interfere in the match with no REAL understanding of what the heck was going on as everyone was fighting everyone. I hate being left with more questions than answers, but most of all I hate the fact that John Cena's champion again.
I don't have a time machine, I cant go into the future to see if HHH really actually buried Punk. I can't see into a crystal ball to see how/if Cena drops the title again and to who. I have no idea how storylines play out because I can't see into the future. What I DO know is that I am a card carrying member of the IWC and am entitled to my opinion, right or wrong, intelligent or ludicrous and any one of you members of the tool academy don't have ANY right to jump down the throats of the people who are mad about the events that happened tonight RIGHT NOW. If people are pissed today and want to rant about it today, then screw you and the horse you rode in on, we're gonna rant. If I hate Cena (and I actually don't but I AM sick of him) and I decide I want to go into every Cena Hate Forum there is and post, you and all of your Cena lovin homies ain't got a right to say nothin to me about it. I don't feel like waiting to the storyline has played out to air my opinions. I don't feel like keeping my thoughts to myself because YOU feel like I should. Thats what the I FREAKIN WC is for. Thats why it was created. So fans like myself can say what the heck we want. And I'm gonna freakin do that. TODAY.
I'm pissed that John Cena is champ. AGAIN.
I'm pissed that the Punk/HHH match ended the way it did.
I don't understand why the HELL KELLY effin KELLY is STILL Diva's Champ
and I don't understand why they took gave the belt to ADR just to have Cena get the belt back again a month later.
Maybe as I keep watching those answers will come. Or maybe they'll clusterf*** this up too.
Maybe the Punk storyline will turn out to be the best in HISTORY and push him to the heights of superstardom and I'll look back and be happy this happened. But as it stands, I hate that it happened. I hate that it happened, I HATE THAT IT FREAKIN HAPPENED.
Say somethin else.
Tell me I can't say what the freak I want.
Oh and about Christian? Yeah got him out of Edge's shadow. Taking the title off of him in less than a week...goes on to win it again by a dirty stipulation just to lose it AGAIN. Where was your "legit main eventer" tonight? Getting his face kicked off by Shaemus during a promo which was all he was doing tonight. Main eventer, on Smackdown.
Its like being the top draw on TNA.
Good one. You're smart as hell.
Douche bag.

Lol, bitter much? Intelligent poster my ass. Figure out how the quotes work yet? You make this post like an angry ex girlfriend would compose hate mail. NOBODY SAID YOU CAN'T SAY WHAT YOU WANT, dip shit. But you must be stupid to think that you can say what you want, that you have a RIGHT to say what you want here, but that no one else has a RIGHT to disagree with you and say so publicly. Just as you are free to rant because you're butt hurt over a tv program, others like myself are free to call you out as the over-reactionary ******s that you are. That's the beauty of the IWC; it goes both ways.

To bring this back on track, I'm compelled to agree that for one reason or another, WWE Creative does not see ADR fit to carry that kind of reign yet, and even as a big fan of his I'm inclined to agree with them. Just because he gets great heel reaction from me doesn't mean he's doing his job perfectly. He's still missing that critical buzz from the crowd. Miz was truly hated, for the most part. ADR still needs some fine tuning to play the crowd like that. I may not like Cena as champ again, but I can understand that rationalization as to why it was done.

 

[GrandSword]

Kayfabe wise... Cena just seems to be invincable. You go up against him, he beats you. Who can really challenge this man.. I guess the answer is the Rock..

Currently no one else in the locker room can beat him, just like Cena said on Raw a month ago. It all elads to Icon vs. Icon or whatever they are calling this WM28 match between the two guys. That I think is the whole point. They booked the match a year out, which means to make Cena look to be on Rock's level, this sort of booking has to take place. I mentioned this back when the match was made and that the rest of the roster will suffer.

I thought I was wrong when the whole Punk storyline started to unfold, but Cena is as "Super" as ever. Maybe creative will keep Punk and Cena seperate until after the WM match to keep Punk looking strong without being "fed" to Cena like everyone else.

The only question left is, will Cena vs. Rock be for the WWE title?

 

[RIPRKO1005]

I dont really see the positives of cena winning the title. Quick title changes hurt the title and makes it less of a big deal when it changes hands. And YES i am pissed cena won the title. Why? because its S-T-A-L-E!!! Its the same thing we've seen for the longest time now.

I dont really care about what happens tomorrow because i have ZERO belief that WWE will have cena tweak is character the least bit or do anything story line wise to make cena being champ entertaining.

Plus, everybody using the Christian-Orton feud as an example of people jumping the gun and getting mad when it turned out to be something more and better for Christian, in my opinion is NOT a good example. YES, that feud was filled with good in ring action but, in my opinion Christian came out of the that feud not as a main event player. They made him look like a whiny chicken shit heel that I dont see anybody taking seriously. The only reason he won the title again in that feud was from some dumb dq stipulation. He came out looking weak as all hell,but if that your idea of better than sure your right.

 

[Depakote]

Kryptonite isn't a clean win. It's cheating. And Mark Henry is a monster heel, Del Rio is a cowardly heel. I think at the root of this is either a need to see Cena lowered to everyone else's level or a fundamental misunderstanding (Not on your part because you did explain that Del Rio was built as a cowardly heel) of what a heel does.

Kryptonite isnt cheating. It comes from Krypton, the same place Superman came from. If anything, Superman has cheated this whole time against Lex Luthor. Luthor's use of Kryptonite was just leveling the playing field. But I digress. I only used the Superman analogy to point out that every well written hero character has a flaw. Cena's character has no real flaw. He never looks weak. If it was Cena facing Mark Henry for the belt tonight instead of Orton, Cena wouldve probably won. At the very least Henry wouldnt have gone over clean. This is my biggest problem with the SuperCena character. It just gets boring that he has no real weakness. I'm not saying he should have lost clean to Del Rio tonight. A cowardly heel should never go over clean. Its counterproductive. All I'm saying is that Cena -can- lose clean and still look strong. But will he ever? Not anytime soon from the looks of it, and thats why his character will never have any real depth. Have you noticed that all the Cena hate just keeps growing stronger and stronger? Its because his character never changes, never grows. Its run its course and even casual fans who dont necessarily hate the guy are starting to cry out for a change.

 

[#hamler]

I wish I had time to rip everyone of these wonderful shit posts apart.

I hate the way the show ended. I hate the fact that Cena's champion again.

Why? Just because you hate it doesn't mean others will.

I hate watching TRUTH/MIZ/NASH/ACE interfere in the match with no REAL understanding of what the heck was going on as everyone was fighting everyone. I hate being left with more questions than answers,

Irrelevant to the thread.

but most of all I hate the fact that John Cena's champion again.

You've said that already. I get it.

I don't have a time machine, I cant go into the future to see if HHH really actually buried Punk. I can't see into a crystal ball to see how/if Cena drops the title again and to who. I have no idea how storylines play out because I can't see into the future. What I DO know is that I am a card carrying member of the IWC and am entitled to my opinion, right or wrong, intelligent or ludicrous and any one of you members of the tool academy don't have ANY right to jump down the throats of the people who are mad about the events that happened tonight RIGHT NOW.

LOfuckingL.
Your precious opinion. You come here to have your opinion debated. You don't want to discuss shit, then kindly fuck off. I'm discussing you horrible opinion. John Cena winning the title is just fine.

If people are pissed today and want to rant about it today, then screw you and the horse you rode in on, we're gonna rant. If I hate Cena (and I actually don't but I AM sick of him) and I decide I want to go into every Cena Hate Forum there is and post, you and all of your Cena lovin homies ain't got a right to say nothin to me about it.

Sure I do. I've got just as much right as you do.

I don't feel like waiting to the storyline has played out to air my opinions. I don't feel like keeping my thoughts to myself because YOU feel like I should. Thats what the I FREAKIN WC is for. Thats why it was created. So fans like myself can say what the heck we want. And I'm gonna freakin do that. TODAY.

And it makes you look stupid. Idiots like yourself are what give the IWC a bad rep because you jump the fucking gun...like all the time.

I'm pissed that John Cena is champ. AGAIN.

You said that already. It's fine

I'm pissed that the Punk/HHH match ended the way it did.

Again, irrelevant to the thread/horseshit.

I don't understand why the HELL KELLY effin KELLY is STILL Diva's Champ
and

More irrelevance.

I don't understand why they took gave the belt to ADR just to have Cena get the belt back again a month later.

Did you watch Christian and Orton's feud at all? Great feud that put Christian at the top with a huge babyface for roughly six months. How do you know this won't turn out like that? Maybe you should think again before jumping the gun.

Maybe as I keep watching those answers will come. Or maybe they'll clusterf*** this up too.

But why do you care because you already made an ass of yourself?

Maybe the Punk storyline will turn out to be the best in HISTORY and push him to the heights of superstardom and I'll look back and be happy this happened. But as it stands, I hate that it happened. I hate that it happened, I HATE THAT IT FREAKIN HAPPENED.
Say somethin else.
Tell me I can't say what the freak I want.

You can say whatever you want. But you accomplished nothing in your so called "rant". You bitched about Cena, made irrelevant points, and bitched some more. This whole post accomplished nothing and did nothing to progress the thread any further.

Oh and about Christian? Yeah got him out of Edge's shadow. Taking the title off of him in less than a week...goes on to win it again by a dirty stipulation just to lose it AGAIN. Where was your "legit main eventer" tonight?

Was he a champion? He can only be in the main event for so long. Maybe this would have been a good point had he not been on a ppv in three or so months but one ppv? Just one. Seriously?

Getting his face kicked off by Shaemus during a promo which was all he was doing tonight. Main eventer, on Smackdown.

Lol. Night of Champions mean anything to you? Read above.

Its like being the top draw on TNA.

Lol, what are you on?

Good one. You're smart as hell
Douche bag.

Learn to quote next time. Get on my level.

 

[Headman]

Kayfabe wise... Cena just seems to be invincable. You go up against him, he beats you. Who can really challenge this man...

Um... You have Kenta Kobashi in your sig.

But back on topic. I personally don't care if Cena has the belt or not. It wouldn't have driven me to type angry hate letters on the interwebz like it does some of you had CM Punk been given the strap for a few months. I thought Del Rio was a stupid choice for champion, but the WWE took care of that for he time being but it's not really Del Rio losing that bothers fans, it's Cena winning. I may never understand where these people are coming from, but I wish them well and hope they aren't really as irrational in RL as they are on the world wide web. Had Cena lost in a logical way tonight (Not clean) I would have been fine with the booking, just disappointed that the industry's greatest prize remained on a glorified midcarder, but that wouldn't be for me to say. However the fact is this... Cena is champion. Cena is also the top guy in the WWE and entire wrestling world for that matter, so people need to get used to that because the people who hate him don't really do anything for the bottom line. And even if they did, they're wresling fans... where are they going to go? TNA? Yeah, right. Cena is the champ and will be for a very long time. He won't lose clean, but neither did Austin or Hogan in their primes. It's just how the WWE works and has always worked. That's sports entertainment for ya.

Kryptonite isnt cheating. It comes from Krypton, the same place Superman came from. If anything, Superman has cheated this whole time against Lex Luthor. Luthor's use of Kryptonite was just leveling the playing field. But I digress. I only used the Superman analogy to point out that every well written hero character has a flaw. Cena's character has no real flaw. He never looks weak. If it was Cena facing Mark Henry for the belt tonight instead of Orton, Cena wouldve probably won. At the very least Henry wouldnt have gone over clean. This is my biggest problem with the SuperCena character. It just gets boring that he has no real weakness. I'm not saying he should have lost clean to Del Rio tonight. A cowardly heel should never go over clean. Its counterproductive. All I'm saying is that Cena -can- lose clean and still look strong. But will he ever? Not anytime soon from the looks of it, and thats why his character will never have any real depth. Have you noticed that all the Cena hate just keeps growing stronger and stronger? Its because his character never changes, never grows. Its run its course and even casual fans who dont necessarily hate the guy are starting to cry out for a change.

I just can't let this go... Kryptonite is not a natural ability of Lex Luther, it's a steel chair or a pair of brass knucks in the trunks. Superman does what he can with his natural gifts as does Cena. And I'm not seeing the casual fans freaking out, just the same guys on the internet who hated him last year and the year before that. And once again, I understand that you agree that he shouldn't lose clean to Del Rio, but Del Rio is who he was facing. But that's beside the point. My question wasn't whether or not Cena could job clean and stay strong, it's why do some internet fans feel that this would help him? I kinda just wish people would be more honest and say "I hate him and want him to lose every time.".

 

[[cL]]

Lol, bitter much? Intelligent poster my ass. Figure out how the quotes work yet? You make this post like an angry ex girlfriend would compose hate mail. NOBODY SAID YOU CAN'T SAY WHAT YOU WANT, dip shit. But you must be stupid to think that you can say what you want, that you have a RIGHT to say what you want here, but that no one else has a RIGHT to disagree with you and say so publicly. Just as you are free to rant because you're butt hurt over a tv program, others like myself are free to call you out as the over-reactionary ******s that you are. That's the beauty of the IWC; it goes both ways.

Sure, Dirty Sanchez, i know exactly how the quotes work. Angry ex? Come on...who you tryin to fool. You have no idea what that kind of letter looks like....lol...like you've had a woman...LOL.....wow...
I am under no assumption that you don't have the right to disagree. My gripe is when you feel like you or anyone else can tell someone "wait til it plays out" "shut up with all the complaining" blah blah blah.....If I feel like I want to talk about my feelings toward a product right then and there, i'm gonna. If I spend 40+ on a PPV and it sucks, am I over reactionary? No. I'm pissed because I feel my money was wasted on a subpar product. What you fail to realize (amongst MOST of the things you fail realize) is that this is a consumer reaction. I'm not pleased with the product I purchased and because I can't get my money back, i'm gonna rant about it in the only place set up for me to do so. The good old IWC.

...angry ex.....lol...nice attempt

To bring this back on track, I'm compelled to agree that for one reason or another, WWE Creative does not see ADR fit to carry that kind of reign yet, and even as a big fan of his I'm inclined to agree with them. Just because he gets great heel reaction from me doesn't mean he's doing his job perfectly. He's still missing that critical buzz from the crowd. Miz was truly hated, for the most part. ADR still needs some fine tuning to play the crowd like that. I may not like Cena as champ again, but I can understand that rationalization as to why it was done.

ADR wasn't getting a HUGE reaction before he won the title and has been getting more or less the same reaction since. Sure he's a great heel and will probably develop into the top heel on smackdown, but my question is, if you didn't see him as ready, why even give him a chance with the title? Why not develop his character more and THEN give him a shot with it. Rather than breaking up the CENA/PUNK program to dilute it with the crap we witnessed tonight? Now we end up with Cena as champ when i reality you coulda just let him win clean over Punk at SS if he wasn't gonna do anything but get the title back a month later anyway.

 

[TLK]

I can't help but think Orton losing the title meant Cena would win. As the two top babyfaces in the company, one should be holding a major title. Makes sense for business. It's not very often that heels are champs on both shows.

 

[trips22]

Del Rio could've been such a good heel champion. One of the best wrestlers in the WWE with a wrestling and MMA background. Clearly better than Cena and a heel champion is what WWE needed. Was looking forward to a Punk vs Del Rio feud. Oh well, another few months of kids and online wrestling nerds creaming their pants over a talentless 10 time champ that has five moves and is worse than Batista on the mic.

Del Rio better win his rematch or I'll kick off.


I've seen better acting in porn. #F*ckCena

Kick off dude. WWE will continue to make money and you will continue to cry. HA,HA,HA! Cena has all the talent and you just cant handle it. Del Rio wasn't over and Punk still isn't anything. Long Live Cena!

 

[ITALIAN NYC]

Im shocked to see people actually defending CENA winning the title AGAIN.

There are PLENTY of guys on raw that deserve a title shot. EVERYTIME WWE tries to build up a new star, they get owned by CENA and go back to mid card.

WWE attempts to make new stars, yet never lets them be complete HUGE stars because they will ALWAYS take a back seat to CENA.

This is why he is hated. I cant stand him , its all the time.

 

[Headman]

Im shocked to see people actually defending CENA winning the title AGAIN.

There are PLENTY of guys on raw that deserve a title shot. EVERYTIME WWE tries to build up a new star, they get owned by CENA and go back to mid card.

WWE attempts to make new stars, yet never lets them be complete HUGE stars because they will ALWAYS take a back seat to CENA.

This is why he is hated. I cant stand him , its all the time.

Not having the belt isn't what's keeping these guys back. Not drawing however is probably why they don't have the belt. You're shocked that some people are fine with the title being back on the WWE's top draw? I'm shocked by that.

 

[#hamler]

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ADR wasn't getting a HUGE reaction before he won the title and has been getting more or less the same reaction since. Sure he's a great heel and will probably develop into the top heel on smackdown, but my question is, if you didn't see him as ready, why even give him a chance with the title?

How do you know he won't have some long feud with Cena to help establish his character more? It worked with Christian. Why wouldn't it work with Del Rio? Simple logic. Del Rio isn't that over, so the WWE throws Cena (top babyfacein to help get him over. See, exactly why I said stop jumping the gun so quickly.

Why not develop his character more and THEN give him a shot with it. Rather than breaking up the CENA/PUNK program

Cena/Punk was over with. CM Punk went on to better things and actually fucking main evented tonight.

to dilute it with the crap we witnessed tonight? Now we end up with Cena as champ when i reality you coulda just let him win clean over Punk at SS if he wasn't gonna do anything but get the title back a month later anyway.

Why? You know the sole purpose of the WWE writers is to piss the IWC off. I guess it's working.

 

[Depakote]

How do you know he won't have some long feud with Cena to help establish his character more? It worked with Christian. Why wouldn't it work with Del Rio? Simple logic. Del Rio isn't that over, so the WWE throws Cena (top babyfacein to help get him over. See, exactly why I said stop jumping the gun so quickly.

Just to counter your point, they could have just as easily gotten Del Rio over as the cowardly heel, cheating to beat Cena to retain the belt tonight. That would draw just as much heat as what you proposed. Either way though, if Del Rio does end up getting the belt back from Cena, he'll still cheat to win. So in a sense, we're both right: they couldve gone either way with this. I think it really comes down to their faith in Del Rio to actually carry the title right now.

 

[TLK]

Del Rio gets his rematch clause and with the next PPV only 2 weeks away (which is another issue entirely), there's a good chance he'll regain the title before Survivor Series when Cena will apparently team with The Rock.

 

[[cL]]

I wish I had time to rip everyone of these wonderful shit posts apart.

Why? Just because you hate it doesn't mean others will.

...wow. Never said that others would. I said, I hate it.

Your precious opinion. You come here to have your opinion debated. You don't want to discuss shit, then kindly fuck off. I'm discussing you horrible opinion. John Cena winning the title is just fine.

i'm discussing you horrible opinion? nice.
You can debate my opinion. You can agree or disagree all you want. I'm not going to be told I have to wait until a storyline materializes in order for me to make my thoughts known. Which is what you seem to want people to do.

And it makes you look stupid. Idiots like yourself are what give the IWC a bad rep because you jump the fucking gun...like all the time.

and its moron's like you who make it easy for people like me to make you look like a freaking fool. Why am I jumping the gun? Because I decided to say what I felt about what I watched tonight. I didn't like what happened so I'm talking about it. I don't feel like waiting until the storyline finishes to discuss the pieces in the middle I don't like. I can't see the future but i'm sure i'll be discussing Raw tomorrow and the next PPV when that comes on but at this time I'm sorry my time machine doesn't work. Your's obviously does. Jump ahead and tell us when you lose your virginity.

Did you watch Christian and Orton's feud at all? Great feud that put Christian at the top with a huge babyface for roughly six months. How do you know this won't turn out like that? Maybe you should think again before jumping the gun.

*shrug* Yeah i watched. Christian. Kicked in the face during a promo at NOC begging for one more shot at the WHC. Main event status. Sure.

You can say whatever you want.

and you coulda stopped right there....but...

But you accomplished nothing in your so called "rant". You bitched about Cena, made irrelevant points, and bitched some more. This whole post accomplished nothing and did nothing to progress the thread any further.

you didn't want to.

Was he a champion?

yeah. so was the great khali.

He can only be in the main event for so long. Maybe this would have been a good point had he not been on a ppv in three or so months but one ppv? Just one. Seriously?

yes seriously. when was the last time we missed John Cena in a PPV? Randy Orton?
You haven't. When you're a main eventer, you're in a main event. Or has that changed....

Lol. Night of Champions mean anything to you? Read above.

YOU read above.

Learn to quote next time. Get on my level.

I'd have to fail...epic fail, like REALLY hard, to get near your level.

See this is my point. Sure I added points about Kelly Kelly and the Punk/HHH fiasco. They have been irrelevant to the thread, i'll give you that. You absolutely have the right to go back and forth with any poster you please on their opinion vs yours. But to tell someone to wait to post their opinion of how a story is progressing is dumb. That's what these forums are for.

 

[Vintage Nick]

First off, Hamler kicks ass. Like him, I would love to just tear apart everyone's posts, but it's not worth the time at the moment.

Im shocked to see people actually defending CENA winning the title AGAIN.

I'm not shocked to see people, especially you, crawling out of the woodwork to scream your lungs out because poor little precious Del Rio, the bad guy, fell to Cena, the good guy. Jesus, the amount of bitching about a TV program is just down-right pathetic.

There are PLENTY of guys on raw that deserve a title shot.

Mind naming those guys?

EVERYTIME WWE tries to build up a new star, they get owned by CENA and go back to mid card.

Remember Miz? He held his title from November all the way through Wrestlemania...and defeated Cena. Therefore, your point is moot.

WWE attempts to make new stars, yet never lets them be complete HUGE stars because they will ALWAYS take a back seat to CENA.

See Miz. Fuckin' A, see PUNK! He's been sitting shotgun next to Cena, constantly battling an even fight against him for control of the car.

This is why he is hated. I cant stand him , its all the time.

Then turn off the TV. Is that too hard, or do you and the others love watching Cena just to get your blood boiling so you can spill your period all over the internet?

 

[#hamler]

Just to counter your point, they could have just as easily gotten Del Rio over as the cowardly heel, cheating to beat Cena to retain the belt tonight. That would draw just as much heat as what you proposed. Either way though, if Del Rio does end up getting the belt back from Cena, he'll still cheat to win. So in a sense, we're both right: they couldve gone either way with this. I think it really comes down to their faith in Del Rio to actually carry the title right now.

You're very right bro. However, I feel the heat after using a heel tactic to win wouldn't have been as much. There really wasn't much interest from the crowd on Del Rio. I think after a long rilvalry with Cena, a couple beat downs and a few cheap wins will probably do the trick. But I agree, what you said would've worked fine for me too. And your last sentence is spot on. I don't think there was much trust between Del Rio and the WWE. However, that doesn't really change the fact that Cena winning the title was just fine and too many people are jumping the gun already.