NFL Thread - 2009-10

[NSL]

Ty, you truly are a delusional Vikings fan. He'll be lucky to play at all in the pre-season, and who knows what he'll be able to pick up in the two weeks of practice left before the season starts. He said less than a month ago that he can't play for 16 weeks anymore, so I'd put a pretty good bet on him getting "injured" around Week 11 or 12, that is, of course, if he doesn't get legitimately hurt well before then. In that division, he's going to play 2 good defenses, and a rebuilt one in Detroit. He also has the Giants, Ravens, Steelers, and Panthers on the schedule. He'll end up with more picks than TDs (something you wouldn't have with Jackson or Rosenfels), and will get you the same 6-10 or 7-9 record. This also sets the team back for next year, where they'll face the same problem the Jets have now. They'll go right back to the same two they have now, plus maybe a draft pick, and how is that any good? You're better off just giving them both this season to sink or swim, and then draft a pick if you know yo need to.

 

[Ty Burna]

Ty, you truly are a delusional Vikings fan. He'll be lucky to play at all in the pre-season, and who knows what he'll be able to pick up in the two weeks of practice left before the season starts. He said less than a month ago that he can't play for 16 weeks anymore, so I'd put a pretty good bet on him getting "injured" around Week 11 or 12, that is, of course, if he doesn't get legitimately hurt well before then. In that division, he's going to play 2 good defenses, and a rebuilt one in Detroit. He also has the Giants, Ravens, Steelers, and Panthers on the schedule. He'll end up with more picks than TDs (something you wouldn't have with Jackson or Rosenfels), and will get you the same 6-10 or 7-9 record. This also sets the team back for next year, where they'll face the same problem the Jets have now. They'll go right back to the same two they have now, plus maybe a draft pick, and how is that any good? You're better off just giving them both this season to sink or swim, and then draft a pick if you know yo need to.

Right...so we throw Jackson out there who can't hit an open receiver if his life depended on it, that'll be better than Favre who can actually complete passes to receivers? I don't get how you can say putting Sage or Jackson out there is better than Favre being our QB. Really? Really? A QB who has been a backup all his career in Rosenfels, and a QB who has no business being a starter in the NFL and is also injury prone in Jackson, is better than having Favre who is a legit starting QB? Even if Favre fails, do you think Sage or Jackson would do any better? Doubt it, so with Favre if we go 6-10 or 7-9, Jackson and Sage would end up around the same record anyways. At least with Favre we have a better shot to win games rather than throwing them away. This is a one year deal, if we sink, we sink and Favre goes away and we go draft a QB or whatever the fuck we gotta do in the offseason, if we swim and do well, then we make a decision as such from there.

Let's look at some stats shall we? Jackson has thrown 20 TD's and 18 INT's in his career, while Sage has thrown 30 TDS and 29 INT's. Wow, two QB's who basically have a 50% TD-INT ratio in their careers. Favre had a hurt shoulder, which surgery took care of that and will be 100% now, who isn't injury prone like Jackson is. He also won't be asked to carry as hefty of a load like he was in New York. New York improved 5 games better last season, and while that wasn't all Favre, at least he gave them consistency at the QB position which helped immensely. With his shoulder healed up and not as much pressure to carry the team, it's clear that he is in a better position with Minnesota, a team who runs the offense he is familiar with, and has the strong running game to back him up. He has a great defense on the other side of the ball as well. Face it, the Vikes are a much more solid team then the Jets were, and if Favre was able to help the Jets improve, why can't it be said that he will help the Vikings improve by filling in the one major weakness they have on their team?

 

[NSL]

Right...so we throw Jackson out there who can't hit an open receiver if his life depended on it, that'll be better than Favre who can actually complete passes to receivers? I don't get how you can say putting Sage or Jackson out there is better than Favre being our QB. Really? Really? A QB who has been a backup all his career in Rosenfels, and a QB who has no business being a starter in the NFL and is also injury prone in Jackson, is better than having Favre who is a legit starting QB? Even if Favre fails, do you think Sage or Jackson would do any better? Doubt it, so with Favre if we go 6-10 or 7-9, Jackson and Sage would end up around the same record anyways. At least with Favre we have a better shot to win games rather than throwing them away. This is a one year deal, if we sink, we sink and Favre goes away and we go draft a QB or whatever the fuck we gotta do in the offseason, if we swim and do well, then we make a decision as such from there.

There is no decision for the team to make after the season. They'll be without a QB, and will either wait until 3 months after the draft to know of Favre is coming back, or draft a guy that you can never be sure about, instead of giving Sage or Tavaris an extra season to get comfortable with the system. If they don't then you know you have the draft pick. If they do, then you're set. you don't want to be sitting at camp next year wondering who you're QB is going to be for the 3rd or 4th season in a row.

Let's look at some stats shall we? Jackson has thrown 20 TD's and 18 INT's in his career, while Sage has thrown 30 TDS and 29 INT's. Wow, two QB's who basically have a 50% TD-INT ratio in their careers.

And Favre, who holds the record for most INTs ever, and is a year older than he was when he folded with 6 weeks to go in the season. By this math, he'll be calling it in around Week 9 or 10. And, as I said earlier, looks at the defenses you're facing. It won't be a walk in the park for anyone, especially a poor decision maker who throws to the other team as often as he throws to his own guys. Not to mention he doesn't exactly have a group of guys with soft hands...

Favre had a hurt shoulder, which surgery took care of that and will be 100% now, who isn't injury prone like Jackson is. He also won't be asked to carry as hefty of a load like he was in New York. New York improved 5 games better last season, and while that wasn't all Favre, at least he gave them consistency at the QB position which helped immensely. With his shoulder healed up and not as much pressure to carry the team, it's clear that he is in a better position with Minnesota, a team who runs the offense he is familiar with, and has the strong running game to back him up. He has a great defense on the other side of the ball as well. Face it, the Vikes are a much more solid team then the Jets were, and if Favre was able to help the Jets improve, why can't it be said that he will help the Vikings improve by filling in the one major weakness they have on their team?

I don't care how healthy you are for your career, you take a big risk going into a season pushing 40. Unless your last name is Feagles, you can't expect to be at your best for 16 games, plus the potential of the playoffs.

Not as much pressure to carry the team?! So, even signing him 2 weeks into the preseason, with the possibility that he won't have any game time with the team before Week 1, means that they think Peterson is the leader? I'm pretty sure that the depseration to sign Favre puts nothing but added pressure onto him. Don't forget the media is going o be all over him once again.

In New York, he had a good set of running backs (Jones and Washington), and they're defense far exceeded expectations. Guys like Jenkins and Pace both stepped up, and their DBs were far better than anything you can expect from the Vikes set. I don't think they're in a better position, because if they were, they wouldn't be signing an aged QB with less than 3 weeks to go until gametime.

 

[CH David]

All I can say about Brett Favre is it is about fucking time. It was only a matter of time, and I didn't realize it at first. When he wasn't going to sign with them at the start of camp I thought "Holy shit, Brett Favre is staying retired. I thought he would never retire." Needless to say, the addition of Favre has likely shot the Vikings up the NFL ranks into contenders, and probably the now odds on favorite to win the Norris Division this year. So while everyone is claiming how unstoppable the Vikings can be this year, with Favre at the helm, Adrian Peterson taking the ball the majority of the time, and a solid defense, they should root hard for them. I would if I were a Vikes fan, but I'm not. It is just another obstacle that the Bears have to overcome haha. Wishful thinking for the Bears, I still think they have a shot though, don't go to sleep on the NFC North as possibly one of the more competitive divisions in the league.

Now with Favre at the helm brings a few things to the table. He can actually pass to receivers, and brings that established, albeit passed his prime quarterback that the Vikings haven't truly had in a few years. He can help the receivers get better, because receivers can still get better. And if his teammates let him, he can bring the veteran leadership to the team. But I am curious as to how truly in shape he is. I know he was working out with the high school team for a while, but that is not NFL style training. Especially at age 39, he will need to probably be in the best physical shape he has been in in a while, and I'm not talking just his arm. If his arm is healthy, his endurance just needs to come back and he will be ready to play.

My only question is how is he going to learn the playbook and truly develop a report with the offense in like 2-3 weeks? It took him a while to learn the Jets offensive plays and calls, and then he was able to develop chemistry with his receivers. It looks to me if Favre is the starting quarterback in Week 1, he will probably learning on the fly, unless he has already been studying the playbook while we thought he was off fishing or playing backyard football in his jeans. My only concern, and as a Bears fan I hope it resurrects itself this year, but the concern of Brett Favre, is if he gets to gun happy. Even at 39 he still has a cannon for an arm. But what happened last year, is what needs to be avoided this year. Towards the end he started relying on himself and not using Thomas Jones like he should have been. Coaches will need to keep an eye on him to make sure it doesn't happen, because we all know how good Adrian Peterson is. Minimize the throwing errors from Favre, and that offense is scary.

 

[Ty Burna]

My only question is how is he going to learn the playbook and truly develop a report with the offense in like 2-3 weeks? It took him a while to learn the Jets offensive plays and calls, and then he was able to develop chemistry with his receivers. It looks to me if Favre is the starting quarterback in Week 1, he will probably learning on the fly, unless he has already been studying the playbook while we thought he was off fishing or playing backyard football in his jeans. My only concern, and as a Bears fan I hope it resurrects itself this year, but the concern of Brett Favre, is if he gets to gun happy. Even at 39 he still has a cannon for an arm. But what happened last year, is what needs to be avoided this year. Towards the end he started relying on himself and not using Thomas Jones like he should have been. Coaches will need to keep an eye on him to make sure it doesn't happen, because we all know how good Adrian Peterson is. Minimize the throwing errors from Favre, and that offense is scary.

The thing is David, that Favre already knows the Vikings offense, it's essentially a mirror image of the WCO that the 49ers used in the 90's, that Holmgren used in Green Bay, that Andy Reid took to Philly, that Childress has brought to the Vikings. Since he played for Holmgren, it's essentially the same offense and I'm sure the Vikings handed him a playbook while he was considering coming out of retirement. Him knowing the offense isn't what I'm worried about. He will need to focus on getting the timing down with his receivers, that is the major thing, and his endurance is a small question mark, but he has shown to not do much in training camp and play fine come the regular season.

With the Jets it wasn't all his fault for him having to be a gunslinger again, it was Mangini basically saying: Fuck our solid running game, let's throw the ball 40-50 times a game and see what happens. That won't happen in Minnesota, Childress, even if I think he is a dumbass at times, is too smart to let that happen. The Vikes are still a running team, how could you not be with Peterson as your running back, but the addition of Favre adds consistency, and as long as Childress keeps the reigns on Favre and minimizes the mistakes, the offense will click a lot more. Favre threw 3500 yards last season, with a damaged tendon and all. With a fixed shoulder and a very good running game, I don't see why he couldn't top 3000 yards again this year, even if he doesn't have to.

 

[CH David]

The thing is David, that Favre already knows the Vikings offense, it's essentially a mirror image of the WCO that the 49ers used in the 90's, that Holmgren used in Green Bay, that Andy Reid took to Philly, that Childress has brought to the Vikings. Since he played for Holmgren, it's essentially the same offense and I'm sure the Vikings handed him a playbook while he was considering coming out of retirement. Him knowing the offense isn't what I'm worried about. He will need to focus on getting the timing down with his receivers, that is the major thing, and his endurance is a small question mark, but he has shown to not do much in training camp and play fine come the regular season.

With the Jets it wasn't all his fault for him having to be a gunslinger again, it was Mangini basically saying: Fuck our solid running game, let's throw the ball 40-50 times a game and see what happens. That won't happen in Minnesota, Childress, even if I think he is a dumbass at times, is too smart to let that happen. The Vikes are still a running team, how could you not be with Peterson as your running back, but the addition of Favre adds consistency, and as long as Childress keeps the reigns on Favre and minimizes the mistakes, the offense will click a lot more. Favre threw 3500 yards last season, with a damaged tendon and all. With a fixed shoulder and a very good running game, I don't see why he couldn't top 3000 yards again this year, even if he doesn't have to.

I had a feeling he was looking at plays while "contemplating" retirement. So when he shows up to camp (within today or tomorrow isn't it?) he will know the plays and probably the play calls. He is indeed a crafty son of a gun, keeping everyone out of the loop. I was truly hoping he was done with this last one. Just about everyone is sick and tired of his, I want to play, I want to stay retired thing. Aren't you a little bit Ty? It just gets old.

For the portion I bolded, Childress needs to keep the reigns as tight as possible on Favre. I don't mean say "No passing Brett, only hand off to AP or throw on 3rd down". I mean if he starts getting the gunslinger eyes, make sure you call running plays for AP, and if Brett goes against it constantly, take him out. It wouldn't be a popular decision, but if Brett got out of hand, he may need to be benched, especially if he were to cause an unnecessary turnover because he was throwing too much. I know Brett made his name by actually being a gunslinger, but that is also what gets him in trouble. Sure he had 3500 yards last year, even with a damaged tendon in his shoulder. But he had the time to get his timing down with his receivers. Even then, it improved the Jets, but they still didn't get over that hump and do anything special.

Besides, it is going to be really weird seeing Brett Favre in purple without any green. Green has been on his uniform since he got to Green Bay, what like 18 years ago? I don't feel like looking it up right now.

 

[Baller]

And Favre, who holds the record for most INTs ever, and is a year older than he was when he folded with 6 weeks to go in the season. By this math, he'll be calling it in around Week 9 or 10. And, as I said earlier, looks at the defenses you're facing. It won't be a walk in the park for anyone, especially a poor decision maker who throws to the other team as often as he throws to his own guys. Not to mention he doesn't exactly have a group of guys with soft hands...

I agree 100%. Favre cant last a full season, but I think the Vikings will use a wildcat offense and Brett will be off the field for and Tarvaris can play Wildcat as he is fast.

e also has the Giants, Ravens, Steelers, and Panthers on the schedule. He'll end up with more picks than TDs (something you wouldn't have with Jackson or Rosenfels), and will get you the same 6-10 or 7-9 record.

I dont agree with that statement. He will not throw more picks then touchdowns because Favre thrives in this offense, and with the help he has all around him on both sides of the football I got to see the Vikings 10 to 11 wins if they can get the chemistry as a team unlike they were on the Jets

 

[jmt225]

I agree with Ty on this one. This is an INCREDIBLE pick up for the Minnesota Vikings. Did you guys not watch what Brett did last year before his injury? He was fucking phenomenal. He's led the Jets, not a very good team I might add, to an 8-3 record with a very tough schedule working against him. How does that not impress you all?

Seriously, a healthy Brett Favre equals the Vikings in the NFC Championship, if not further. Mark my words.

 

[48.7 is Approximately 49 Times Better Than You]

I can't any believe that anyone can say this isn't an upgrade for the Vikings. You're honestly a fool if you think that any quarterback already in the Vikings system would have been a better option than a first-ballot hall of fame quarterback, one who has won three MVPs and set countless records, Brett Favre. Tavaris Jackson can't hit the broad side of a barn from twenty yards out, and Sage Rosenfels isn't any better.

Brett Favre is reuniting his old offensive coordinator, so he'll be able to learn the system in two days. It's not like Brett Favre isn't one of the greatest minds in the entire game right now and that it will take months for him to learn how to hand the ball off to Adrian Peterson. Speaking of Adrian Peterson, he's still going to be the focus of the offense. Brett Favre isn't going to be throwing the ball as much as he did last year, because he has the best back in the league behind him. The Vikings are a far more talented team than the Jets, with a much stronger locker room and coaching system. Brett Favre will be able to excel much more than he did last year. Even if he throws 22 interceptions, he'll still throw less than Jackson or Rosenfels and throw more touchdowns. The running game and defense can always keep the Vikes in the game, and Favre is just icing on the cake.

Oh, and about his arm, he had, you know, surgery. That'll be better.

 

[Nev]

This is an upgrade.

Just because he's injury prone doesn't take away that fact. So what if Favre gets injured anyway? Bench him. Brett Favre can also 'show the ropes' to Sage Rosenfels. A lot of people don't realize that Aaron Rodgers style of play is greatly influenced by Favre. I'm pretty sure Sage is an okay back-up.

He's not a Michael Vick, but he fits the job well.

As for a locker room split, that doesn't seem likely. I don't see him really wrecking a teams chemistry. Sure the Vikings will get a lot of attention, but I don't think Favre, with the exception of his football play, will make distracting headlines. Then again, I don't know about that exactly. This is the NFL, ffs. Childress and the team should be prepared by the media frenzy. You would have to be dumb not to expect that in the first place and sign Favre at the same time.

Let's face it though, if Favre or Peterson gets injured, I don't think they'll have much of a shot at the division title. Lovie Smith calling the defensive plays for the Bears along with the Packers switch to a 3-4 scheme makes the division as tight as ever. The difference is; Favre knows Minnesota's system already well & the Bears and Packers are adjusting to a new system. Hell, Detroit can pop up and make the playoffs. The Dolphins did it last year LOL

Good luck to the Vikings.

 

[NSL]

Oh, and about his arm, he had, you know, surgery. That'll be better.

Except, you know, the torn rotator cuff he'll be playing with against teams that are known for beating up on the QB.

I saw someone mention the Wildcat offense, and you're nuts. Not only will Jackson not last until the end of the preseason, but you'd be stupid to limit the amount of plays you can use Peterson as a weapon by switching up like that.

As far as that prediction for the NFC Championship, you're crazy. The Giants and Panthers are both better than Minnesota, and Minnesota will have to beat both of them late in the season, as well as dominate their division to make the playoffs. Once there, they're bound to face nothing but daunting defenses, and Favre probably won't be 100%, or even close to it. This may help them win the division, but I'm guessing they end up with the same record either way.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

I love how Favre haters are trying to make it sound like this is a downgrade, or a bad move on Minnesota's part. Yet, from where I'm sitting they were one Hall of Fame Quarterback away from an all-but-guaranteed Playoff run with a nice shot at making a run for the Superbowl.

Look at it more this way. They didn't need a QB who was going to come in and lead them to victories. They just needed a QB, who was famous enough for doing things similar to that, so they could take pressure off of Peterson and give their Defense a little bit more rest on the sidelines.

Sage has been considered a "career back-up" and he'll forever be that. Hes not great, and he's barely above average. Jackson has been given a chance to prove he deserves the Starting position, and he's just not giving Minnesota what they need from that position. Last year, he was replaced by another aging Vet who did more for Minnesota and lead them to a Playoff spot, only to be injured and Jackson came in with extra motivation and did okay for like two or three weeks at the end of the season.. only to fail in the Playoffs.

I'm not saying Favre isn't aging and showing it. He had a horrid Season in New York, but he also helped Thomas Jones and Washington hit off huge on the ground. Just imagine whats going to happen, now that Minnesota debuts a future Hall of Fame RB, an upgraded WR core, and a newly added HoF QB to help lead them.. all of which, isn't even counting the great Defense they have.

I'm by no means a Vikings fan, but I'm happy for them because this is the last piece of the "puzzle" that they've been begging for. Every team doesn't play for the future, they play for the now. And this is it. Minnesota will either win a Super Bowl with Favre, or they won't. But one thing is for sure - they just went up on EVERYONE'S radar, and if you refuse to believe that, or worse, if you believe this is some type of bad decision on their part.. then you don't understand the game of Football.

 

[Theo Mays]

This is the right move for the Vikes. And as a Vikes fan I am definitely pleased to see Favre come in. I'm a big Jackson supporter, but Favre is an easy upgrade. The Vikes didn't need a QB, like Will said, but the upgrade of Favre over Sage/TJack is too much to pass up. Yes Favre brings a swirl of media attention and loads of question marks, but this offense isn't going to be built around Favre. This is still AD's offense, Favre is just a nice hall of fame bonus to add to the offense. Favre is an upgrade, plain and simple. Chili is going for the win now, as his job is up in the air, and he is putting the chips all in and hoping Favre can help lead the team to the ultimate jackpot, a Super Bowl Championship.

 

[Baller]

NSL, you can use Peterson in the Wildcat. You have Harvin under center and Peterson in the slot and put him in motion and the other teams would have to choose to go after Peterson or Harvin. If one of those 2 break free they cant be caught which is why the Wildcat can be used by the Vikings

 

[X]

NEW YORK -- Facing the prospect of spending at least 3½ years behind bars, one-time Super Bowl star Plaxico Burress on Thursday accepted a plea bargain with a two-year prison sentence for accidentally shooting himself in the thigh at a Manhattan nightclub.

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The former New York Giants wide receiver pleaded guilty to one count of attempted criminal possession of a weapon, a lesser charge than he had faced. He will be sentenced Sept. 22, and lawyer Benjamin Brafman said he expects Burress to begin serving his sentence immediately after.

Burress got into a black SUV without speaking to reporters outside Manhattan state Supreme Court, but Brafman said, "After an agonizing period of discussion, Plaxico decided that he wanted to do this, to put this behind him as quickly as possible."

Burress was indicted earlier this month on two counts of criminal possession of a weapon and one count of reckless endangerment. He faced a minimum sentence of 3½ years if convicted at trial.

The guilty plea ends months of haggling between Brafman and the Manhattan district attorney's office. The case went to a grand jury after negotiations broke down, apparently because District Attorney Robert Morgenthau was insisting that Burress serve at least two years in prison.

Morgenthau did not comment on Burress' guilty plea.

Assistant District Attorney John Wolfstaetter said in court that Thursday was Burress' last chance to accept the deal.

Burress, wearing a dark blue suit and appearing subdued, first entered a not-guilty plea to the initial charges against him. After Brafman informed Judge Michael Melkonian that Burress had decided to plead to the lesser charge, Burress said, "guilty" to attempted weapons possession in the second degree.

Brafman said Burress, 32, was thinking of his family in taking the plea, but the attorney questioned the recommended prison sentence.

"This was not an intentional criminal act," Brafman said. "In my judgment, a two-year prison sentence is a very severe punishment."

With time off for good behavior, Burress likely will serve 20 months. He will be monitored during an additional two years of supervised release.

He also could face disciplinary action by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell. The NFL did not immediately comment Thursday, but ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen reported Thursday that Goodell and Burress had met last week.

Brafman said he hoped any discipline imposed by the league could be served concurrently with the prison sentence so that Burress might resume his career when he is released as early as spring 2011.

The Giants released Burress in April; he had yet to sign with another team.

Burress' former teammates said they were saddened by Thursday's news.

"He is a friend of mine, a great teammate. We won a championship with him. I am saddened by the news -- two years," quarterback Eli Manning said. "Again, I just wish the best for him and his family and try to support him any way we can."

Pro Bowl defensive end Justin Tuck said his heart sank when he learned of the plea.

"Today when I heard the news, my heart went out to him and his family, and obviously I'm just hoping that everything turns out all right in the end," Tuck said.

Burress, who caught the winning touchdown for the Giants against the New England Patriots in the final minute of the 2008 Super Bowl, and former teammate Antonio Pierce were at the Latin Quarter nightclub in Manhattan in late November when a gun tucked into Burress' waistband slipped down his leg and fired, shooting him in the right thigh.

The bullet narrowly missed a nightclub security guard who was standing inches away, prosecutors said. It lodged in the floor and was recovered by a bartender.

The gun was not licensed in New York or in New Jersey, where Burress lived. His license to carry a concealed weapon in the state of Florida had expired in May 2008.

Prosecutors said Pierce drove Burress to a hospital, then took the gun to his own home in New Jersey. It was later delivered to Burress' home.

Pierce was not indicted. The grand jury also did not indict the nightclub security guard who carried the gun to Pierce's car or the hospital staff members who failed to notify police that Burress had been shot.

Brafman called the case "a perfect example about how bad judgment can have very serious consequences," and said Burress was treated more harshly because he is a celebrity.

"If Plaxico Burress were not a high-profile individual, there never would be a case," he said. "If he were just John Q Public he could have walked out of the club and he never would have been arrested."

Burress would make a statement at his sentencing, Brafman said, adding that he did not know where Burress would serve his time.

We all knew Plax was going to do time, but I'm rather shock that he got 2 years for this. It seems pretty clear to me that they wanted to make an example of out Burress and throw the book at him here, but I guess you can't say he doesn't deserve it. The amount of stupidity he showcased when carrying that gun (Sweat pants? Seriously? Fucking sweat pants?) and having it discharge on him in a public place warrants this kind of punishment really. I mean, on one hand 2 years seems a long time for anything that doesn't hurt someone else, but I guess you have to take into account the damage he could have done.

So we can pretty much say goodbye to Plax's football career for a few years. Do you think he'll get a 2nd chance in 2 years like Michael Vick did? Thoughts?

 

[CH David]

We all knew Plax was going to do time, but I'm rather shock that he got 2 years for this. It seems pretty clear to me that they wanted to make an example of out Burress and throw the book at him here, but I guess you can't say he doesn't deserve it. The amount of stupidity he showcased when carrying that gun (Sweat pants? Seriously? Fucking sweat pants?) and having it discharge on him in a public place warrants this kind of punishment really. I mean, on one hand 2 years seems a long time for anything that doesn't hurt someone else, but I guess you have to take into account the damage he could have done.

So we can pretty much say goodbye to Plax's football career for a few years. Do you think he'll get a 2nd chance in 2 years like Michael Vick did? Thoughts?

Well, I was kind of surprised when I woke up to find out it was for two years in jail. I figured maybe one year in jail max, and strict supervision when he got out or something. I am kind of glad that he got two years, because it shows that the DA wanted to make an example, I guess you can include Michael Vick's case too, that sports stars aren't going to get off light anymore. It doesn't set a good example for the younger generations that if you do something stupid and get away with it.

I do think that he could have a chance to play in two years, if Roger Goodell feels like he should be reinstated. Personally, I feel that if he wants to come back, he should be able to come back and not have to face any other suspensions. He already missed the rest of the year with the Giants, plus adding the two years in jail. I realize that he went to jail for gun charges, and yes he was a dumbass for even carrying one with him, but for me, shooting yourself, being suspended already, and going to jail would be punishment enough.

He is going to have to work his ass off in prison to remain in as good of shape to come back, as he will be a 34 year old receiver I think. He would probably be a 2nd string receiver, as he will most likely have lost a step or two in speed. These are his would be prime years in football, and 2011 could be the start of a decline. He was the number one receiver for the Giants, and did a good job when he played the past few years, but after 2 years of not playing competitive NFL football, who knows how he can come back, or if he will want to.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

So we can pretty much say goodbye to Plax's football career for a few years. Do you think he'll get a 2nd chance in 2 years like Michael Vick did? Thoughts?

First things first. He won't serve a full 2 years. They claimed that on good behavior he'll serve 20 months, at most. And I doubt he's really stupid enough to act up and not get that luxury of early parole.

Now then; do I feel he deserved what he got? Yes. Considering that he is every bit of a "celeb", or even a role model considering how popular Football is with today's youth, I wouldn't of felt like 3 years wouldn't have been too extreme.

Burress is the dip shit who decided to not only have an illegal weapon on his person, but to willingly carry it into a fucking night club.. what thoughts could have possibly gone through his head, that put the connection together to where he felt he needed to take a gun into a night club?!

As for the return to Football, absolutely. Wide Receiver isn't nearly as hard a position to play, as Quarterback. You just have to remember how to properly run routes, and stay in good overall shape. I'm sure theres a bit more than that, but he doesn't have to digest an entire playbook of stuff like a QB has to do. SO yes, I firmly believe upon release he'll pick up where he left off. My guess is signing a deal with New England, as it'll be right around the time Randy Moss likely decides to hang 'em up.

 

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Burress is the dip shit who decided to not only have an illegal weapon on his person, but to willingly carry it into a fucking night club.. what thoughts could have possibly gone through his head, that put the connection together to where he felt he needed to take a gun into a night club?!

While I'm not at all condoning the act of bringing a gun into a night club illegally, I can understand why he would carry a gun. Famous athletes are routinely the targets of robberies, it's happened to countless football, baseball and basketball players. Look at what happened to Sean Taylor. I can understand the logic of wanting to protect one self, especially in night clubs where all kinds of shady stuff happens.

That said of course, he was an idiot for bringing an unlicensed gun into a night club in A PAIR OF FUCKING SWEAT PANTS. Seriously, I just can't get over how stupid you have to be to keep a Glock in the waistband of your sweat pants. Why are you even wearing sweat pants to a damn night club in the first place? You see peoples: fashion really does kill. Or atleast maim.

As for the return to Football, absolutely. Wide Receiver isn't nearly as hard a position to play, as Quarterback. You just have to remember how to properly run routes, and stay in good overall shape. I'm sure theres a bit more than that, but he doesn't have to digest an entire playbook of stuff like a QB has to do. SO yes, I firmly believe upon release he'll pick up where he left off. My guess is signing a deal with New England, as it'll be right around the time Randy Moss likely decides to hang 'em up.

I could see Plax coming to NE after his jail term, but only under the condition that Plax had seriously changed as a person. Belichick doesn't take shit from anyone and there isn't a chance in hell he'd let someone with a bad attitude come in and ruin that locker room. Brady wouldn't allow it either. Moss came here not only because he's one of the best receivers of all time, but because he has changed and matured as a man. You don't see him ever saying anything negative about his team or anyone else since he's signed with us. If Plax could mature as a person, and not just a player, then I'd welcome him here with open arms. Until then I'll continue to hate him for having been on the Giants though.

 

[Cowboyfromhell]

That said of course, he was an idiot for bringing an unlicensed gun into a night club in A PAIR OF FUCKING SWEAT PANTS. Seriously, I just can't get over how stupid you have to be to keep a Glock in the waistband of your sweat pants. Why are you even wearing sweat pants to a damn night club in the first place? You see peoples: fashion really does kill. Or atleast maim.



I could see Plax coming to NE after his jail term, but only under the condition that Plax had seriously changed as a person. Belichick doesn't take shit from anyone and there isn't a chance in hell he'd let someone with a bad attitude come in and ruin that locker room. Brady wouldn't allow it either. Moss came here not only because he's one of the best receivers of all time, but because he has changed and matured as a man. You don't see him ever saying anything negative about his team or anyone else since he's signed with us. If Plax could mature as a person, and not just a player, then I'd welcome him here with open arms. Until then I'll continue to hate him for having been on the Giants though.

You only wear sweat pants to strip clubs for lap dances. Thin sweat pants.

Plax is not very intelligent, obviously, and that has always been hes rep.
He'll have a shot to play again but at his position it will be tough. WR is a young mans game.

Donte Stallworth killed a man and served 24 days. Plax shoots himself and will probably serve 20 months. Quite the legal system.

 

[Jonnie Walker]

Donte Stallworth killed a man and served 24 days. Plax shoots himself and will probably serve 20 months. Quite the legal system.

It wasn't Donte's fault.The guy ran into the street and Stallworth tried to warn him by honking flashing his lights to get him out of the road.Stallworth happened to be drunk,but he paid off the Reyes family,and got a reduced sentence from what would have been.Plaxico is a dumbass.It's illegal to own an unregistered gun,illegal to bring a gun into a night club,and apparently VERY illegal to bring an unregistered,loaded,concealed gun into a New York night club.Stallworth made a mistake,Plaxico is fucking stupid.

 

[CH David]

It wasn't Donte's fault.The guy ran into the street and Stallworth tried to warn him by honking flashing his lights to get him out of the road.Stallworth happened to be drunk,but he paid off the Reyes family,and got a reduced sentence from what would have been.Plaxico is a dumbass.It's illegal to own an unregistered gun,illegal to bring a gun into a night club,and apparently VERY illegal to bring an unregistered,loaded,concealed gun into a New York night club.Stallworth made a mistake,Plaxico is fucking stupid.

Stallworth just happened to be drunk? What the hell kind of an excuse is that? His blood alcohol level was .12, which is over the legal limit in Florida of .08. I don't care if the pedestrian was not in a crosswalk, "oh he was jay-walking, he deserved to be hit by a drunk driver." Stallworth flashed his lights at the man, big whoop. Slow your fucking car down. He was also speeding, going 50 in a 40. It isn't a huge amount for speed, but speeding is speeding. Besides, the pedestrian wasn't drunk or intoxicated at all, he just got off work and was trying to catch a bus to head home.

I don't care who you are, if you kill somebody, you should go to jail, for longer than 24 days. So he has to do 1,000 hours of community service, 2 years of house arrest, (but if I recall correctly he can go workout?) 8 years probation, and his Florida state drivers license suspended for life, along with his already done 24 days in prison. Oh and he got suspended for an entire year without pay. Gee that just seems so damn harsh for taking the life of a pedestrian, while intoxicated no less.

Plaxico was a moron, I am not denying that. He deserves the sentence he got. But for you to say that Stallworth wasn't at fault for killing a pedestrian while intoxicated, and that Burress is a dumbass is just stupid. Burress had an unregistered gun with him, and shot himself. I don't disagree with him being a dumbass. But him getting two years for just shooting himself, and Donte Stallworth actually killed a man while drunk, to only get what he got, I call bullshit.

 

[jmt225]

Does Donovan McNabb piss anyone else off? The guy is such a fucking baby. I remember Terrell Owens got all the blame when his relationship with McNabb fell apart, but really... McNabb was just as much to blame as T.O. as far as I'm concerned. And McNabb's actions last night proves that to be a fact, because once again, someone steals his spotlight, and he gets all fucking butthurt.

Seriously, Vick comes in last night for six plays, goes 4-4 and runs the other two plays. And after that, on the sideline, McNabb bitches at him and then signals the Offensive Coordinator to take Vick out. What the fuck? Honestly, what the fuck is the point of preseason if you're not going to try new things? What was the point of McNabb being such a "huge" part in Philly signing Vick, if that's how he's going to react when Vick finally gets a chance to play?

Fuck McNabb. I cannot stand that selfish, crybaby motherfucker. I really hope he plays horrible this year, and Vick takes his spot. That dude does not deserve to be a starting QB in the first place. I mean, he's a pussy and whiner, for one, but he's also extremely inconsistent and only plays hard when he wants to. I can't wait to see him out of this fucking league.

 

[Cena's Little Helper]

Redskins all the way, baby! No, I'm just hoping for an 8-8 record this year. It sucks that we have to be in the toughest division in the league, but, what can you do? All of the teams in the NFC East are located in very affluent cities and have owners who are dead set on accepting nothing less than a Super Bowl appearance. But, I will say this: Jim Zorn is a gem, and I hope Dan Snyder doesn't get rid of him, because he has the potential to be one of the greatest coaches ever. So, hopefully Snyder doesn't throw a tantrum and fire Zorn like he does the head coaches of years past just because we don't get a playoff spot.

 

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Does Donovan McNabb piss anyone else off? The guy is such a fucking baby. I remember Terrell Owens got all the blame when his relationship with McNabb fell apart, but really... McNabb was just as much to blame as T.O. as far as I'm concerned. And McNabb's actions last night proves that to be a fact, because once again, someone steals his spotlight, and he gets all fucking butthurt.

Yeah, McNabb does have a serious problem when it comes to the spotlight not being totally on him.

Seriously, Vick comes in last night for six plays, goes 4-4 and runs the other two plays. And after that, on the sideline, McNabb bitches at him and then signals the Offensive Coordinator to take Vick out. What the fuck? Honestly, what the fuck is the point of preseason if you're not going to try new things? What was the point of McNabb being such a "huge" part in Philly signing Vick, if that's how he's going to react when Vick finally gets a chance to play?

I agree with you to an extent here that it is a preseason game, and they shouldn't be afraid to go out there and take risks to test Vick out, but I also understand why McNabb was so upset. It's only a preseason game, but guys like McNabb even want to win preseason games. Switching back and forth between Vick and McNabb is just a foolish idea. They need to find a package for Vick, have him perfect that package, and keep it at that.

Fuck McNabb. I cannot stand that selfish, crybaby motherfucker. I really hope he plays horrible this year, and Vick takes his spot. That dude does not deserve to be a starting QB in the first place. I mean, he's a pussy and whiner, for one, but he's also extremely inconsistent and only plays hard when he wants to. I can't wait to see him out of this fucking league.

Hey come on now JMT, McNabb deserves to be a QB more than Vick does, that's for god damn sure. I was absolutely disgusted by the Philly fans for giving Vick a standing ovation. Seriously, every Philly fan who cheered for him should be fucking ashamed of themselves.

Anyways, a bit of random news:

The Denver Broncos have suspended Brandon Marshall for the rest of the preseason for insubordination.

Coach Josh McDaniels met with Marshall Friday morning and informed him he was being suspended for conduct detrimental to the team after exhibiting open acts of insubordination Wednesday on the practice field.

McDaniels informed the team in a full-squad meeting of the decision Friday, at the end of a meeting in which they discussed the upcoming game against Bears.

The Broncos already have had discussions with the league regarding Marshall's suspension. They are expected to reassess the situation when the preseason ends Sept. 6.

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Marshall's agent, Kennard McGuire, didn't immediately return a phone call Friday to The Associated Press, and is said to be out of the country until Monday.

Marshall said during an ESPN interview Thursday night that he was not trying to force a trade through insubordination, but that frustration got the best of him during a disruptive display at practice this week.

In the video aired by KMGH-TV from Wednesday's portion of practice that was open to the media, Marshall was shown walking when the rest of the team was running during warmups, insolently punting the ball away instead of handing it to a ball boy and swatting away a pass that was thrown to him.

Marshall said some of the video, which included a shot of him sitting on his pads before practice, was taken out of context. But he acknowledged his frustration boiled over and that it was an error in judgment to act as he did, especially when he punted the ball.

"I think everybody knows there's a lot of stuff built up there, and me handling it that way wasn't good," Marshall said.

Marshall said he wasn't trying to force his way out of town -- he asked for a trade this summer after the Broncos declined to rework a contract that will pay him $2.2 million this season.

"I'm not out there trying to be a distraction to the team," Marshall said. "Unfortunately, yesterday I kind of let my frustration get the best of me."

Marshall, held out of the Broncos' preseason game at Seattle on Sunday night after admitting he didn't know the playbook and running almost strictly with the scout team last week, said h wants to get ready for another good season in Denver.

Marshall, who had 206 receptions the past two seasons, is also upset with what he feels was the team's misdiagnosis of a hip injury that required offseason surgery. He pulled a hamstring during the first weekend of training camp and didn't return until a week ago.

Marshall also missed the team's exhibition opener against San Francisco two weeks ago because he was on trial in Atlanta, where he was acquitted of a misdemeanor battery charge. Prosecutors had accused him of beating his then-girlfriend.

Information from ESPN reporter Ed Werder, ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter and The Associated Press was used in this report.

Well, good fucking riddance is all I have to say. Marshall is an extremely talented receiver, but he's yet another in a long line of pompous jackasses that think they're God's gift to football. They pay you millions to catch a fucking ball, if you can't do that, piss off. I imagine Denver will eventually just release him once they've grown tired of his bullshit, and another team will give him a nice little short term contract. What is it with wide receivers that makes them so god damn pompous and off-putting?

 

[gd]

Marshall getting suspended was inevitable. Just because Cutler talked his way out of town, Marshall thought he could, but it looked like it backfired on him. He was in line to be the #1 receiver on a team that could possibly be contending for the playoffs, but he has to be a jackass. I guess it's because receivers want the ball on every play, but only get 5-10 touches a game that makes them such whiny bitches. However, not all of them are. That's no excuse to try to undermine the franchise.