NFL Thread - 2009-10

[Big Sexy]

Absolutely.McNabb is a whiny little bitch.I'va always hated him.He's the reason why I hate the Eagles.Him,and their asshole fans.God I hate those fans.And McNabb is so inconsistent it's ridiculous.He doesn't deserve a starting quarterback job.I can name multiple quarterbacks better than him.Joe Flacco is better.At least that kid doesn't bitch and moan when he doesn't get his way.But until then,go Falcons.

Well you obviously know nothing about football. McNabb is easily a top 10 quarterback in the NFL and arguably one of the top 5 best in the league. He consistently puts up great numbers and he's done it the majority of his career without a number one receiver. The only season he had a legitimate number one receiver with Terrell Owens happened to be the best season of his career. He had 3,875 passing yards with 31 touchdowns and only 8 picks and he led the Eagles to the Super Bowl.

He's one of the few "running quarterbacks" who actually looks to pass first. He rarely turns the ball over and his skill set is unmatched by the majority of the quarterbacks in the league. McNabb is a legit superstar and one of the toughest guys in the NFL.

 

[Baller]

McNabb did nothing wrong, and he is a great quarterback. If he can stay healthy this year I believe that he can lead the Eagles to the NFC Championship game.

 

[TwistofRKO]

McNabb is without doubt a Top 5 QB right now. I'd place him 4th to be quite honest.

I'll concede Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Drew Brees, they are un-debatable in my opinion. Moving on from them I'll probably rank Philip Rivers ahead of him from a pure QB stand-point and I'd place McNabb just ahead of Big Ben.

Look at the 2009 Eagles and compare them with the 2004 NFC Champions, there are only 4 remaining starters (McNabb, Westbrook, Sheldon Brown, Akers) and McNabb still has consistently led this team to victories. He doesn't throw for 4,500 yards every year, but he doesn't really have play-calling to support passing yards specifically. McNabb has been able to lead game-winning/tying drives, even recently, and I'll take him over almost every QB in the game. When you doubt his ability to lead his team down the field, please take into account whether or not you seen the game. For example, this past NFCCG he took the Eagles, down by 18, down the field for the lead until the defense squabbled a 4th and short to Arizona. Look at week 16 @ Washington, drive ended at 1 yard line after a bad route by Reggie Brown and numerous game tying drops.

McNabb gets a bad rap, but when you look at it he's been at the helms of a Super Bowl caliber team since he took over as starter in 2000. You can hate him, but you are absolutely, positively wrong if you say he isn't a great QB.

 

[BooCocky]

It's about that time of the year again, Saturday was their third pre season game and their defense was playing at mid season form. Edwards only completed like 5 passes for like 33 yards. They didn't give up many first downs, and it seemed like every drive was going three and out.

The offense even looked good. The line was blocking real well. Created a lot of nice pockets for Ben to step up in and complete passes, and Mendenhall even looked "good", minus the one little fumble. Ward made a couple good catches, and Ben looked alright. He seems to be a little out of sync with the receivers but that will come back with reps.

Also, our special teams look great, especially our return game. I am hoping Stefan Logan gets a roster spot because he is an elusive returner. That is something we have been missing for quite some time.

William Gay looks very good as our second cornerback, and Keyaron Fox looks real good coming off the bench to play linebacker when ours need a rest. He is elusive, explosive, and hardly misses a tackle. Our defensive line looks a little shaky, but in the pre season they never look good.

 

[Thriller Ant]

So, for those who haven't heard, Tedy Bruschi announced his retirement this morning. He is one of the few pro athletes in the free agency age who spent his entire career on one team, in his case, 13 years in New England. I personally never thought of him as an elite linebacker, like a Ray Lewis, but he left it all on the field every week and was the heart and soul of that team.

This is a man who had a stroke 10 days after winning the Super Bowl, and still came back and played the next season. Tedy Bruschi was one of those guys that you love to have on your team. Not necessarily the most talented, but he will go out and give 200% everytime.

Anyone else have any thoughts or comments on Bruschi's retirement?

 

[BooCocky]

He wasn't a great linebacker but he was a hell of a football player. He had very good ball instincts. He knew where the play was heading before it developed. He was a great leader on the defense and was one of the main reasons why there defense was so successful for the last 9 or so years.

His stroke story is inspirational, and I am sure everyone in the New England area will miss him come game day.

 

[X]

I can't tell you how heartbroken I am right now over this. Bruschi has been my favorite athlete for a decade now. While I agree he was never an "elite" linebacker, I'd certainly say he was in the top 10 in the league during many years in his career. He was much more important than stats though; he was the heart and soul of our team, and the leader of that defense. He IS the New England Patriots. He's the hard-working, never-say-die kind of guy that exemplifies the definition of not only a great athlete, but a great man.

I'll be wearing my Bruschi jersey double-time this year. With Rodney Harrison gone, Mike Vrabel gone, and now Bruschi gone...man it's really sad to see. The backbone and heart of our defense for the last decade is all but gone now, and it's a damn shame. The end of an era of greatness for our defense has come it appears. It's not entirely sad though; it does mean the page can finally be turned on this era, and that a new defense can be built. We've already got superstars in the making like Jerod Mayo on the defense, and I know the Pats front office will make a serious effort to bolster the defense sometime either this year or during the off-season.

Oh Bruschi...how I'll miss you. You've always been an inspiration to me and have always been a hero to me. You'll NEVER be forgotten in New England brother, never.

He should be a HOF'er in my opinion. His stats probably don't warrant it, but in my book there was hardly ever a more hard-working and determined football player then Tedy Bruschi. God bless you man, I'm going to miss you.

 

[TwistofRKO]

He was expected to be cut, and I'm glad he took the negative out of the story. I hate the Patriots, and naturally didn't like Bruschi, but I respected his effort on the field. It started all the way back in college, where he was absolutely dominating, and it progressed as he was deemed to small to be an NFL DE and transferred his hustle to MLB.

Hall of Fame? I don't think he'll get in, that's not to say I wouldn't vote for him.

 

[Pimpin]

I'm not a Patriots fan & I know that Bruschi wasn't ever on the same level as Ray Lewis, but he was a great leader & the guy brought his A game, scratch that he brought more than just his A game to the football field everytime he played & his stroke story is very inspirational as it's unheard of for a player mush less a football player to come back after havin' a stroke. I'm pretty sure that the Patriots fans will miss him & hell never be forgotten by them as well.

 

[Big Sexy]

TheOneBigWill started a thread about the top 5 current running backs a couple months ago, but he never continued on to other positions so I figured I'd start this back up.

So who do you think are the top 5 quarterbacks in the NFL right now? My list goes like this:

1. Peyton Manning- It's a toss up between Manning and Brady, but with Brady suffering an injury last year I have Manning slightly ahead of him at the moment. Manning consistently puts up spectacular numbers, he's a great leader, and he wins football games. He can make every throw on the field and right now I believe he's the best in the league.

2. Tom Brady- Because of his injury last year I have Brady at 2 until he shows that he is 100% healthy. I believe he'll be fine and at the end of the year I'm sure he'll be in the talks for MVP and the Patriots will be making another Super Bowl run.

3. Drew Brees- Brees is the only other guy who can even be in the discussion when it comes to the best quarterback in the NFL. The numbers he put up last year were nothing short of amazing. He is probably the most accurate passer in the NFL and does a great job of spreading the ball around.

4. Donovan McNabb- McNabb is the best "running quarterback" in the NFL. Even though he has the ability to make plays with his feet, he is still a pass first guy. He's as tough as they come and he consistently puts up great numbers and wins games even without a legitimate number one receiver.

5. Phillip Rivers- Last year Rivers really solidified his spot as a top 5 quarterback. Even with the Chargers 2 best offensive weapons, Antonio Gates and Ladainian Tomlinson, being injured and not having great seasons, Rivers was still able to have the best season of his career. Rivers carried the Chargers to the playoffs last year and with a little help this year the Chargers can contend for the Super Bowl.

 

[gd]

Completely agree Becker, we don't seem to have any chinks in our armor right now. Even though the O-Line has been the big concern every year, it has been fine thus far. I'm hoping that if Stapleton comes back, that Essex will stay at RG. He is the better and more talented player, but he was a backup last year because of his versatility.

If Logan gets cut, that would be awful. He looks like he can be the first guy in pretty much forever that can give us something on kick returns. I wouldn't care as much if Frank the Tank or Redmond got cut, but Logan is special, and I think we'd be much better served keeping him than keeping another linebackers or special teams guy that isn't going to make much of a difference.

 

[gd]

Those are some good choices, but I think that you have to take wins and championships into higher consideration. The QB is the most important guy on the field and has the biggest impact on whether or not a team wins. Anyway, here's my list.

1. Peyton Manning- You could easily go Brady here, but Manning is a great choice. Former Super Bowl winner who is a true leader on the field. Probably the best at reading defenses in the league, plus he has a strong, accurate arm and the ability to pull out wins in the end. Easily one of the top 5 QBs of all time.

2. Tom Brady - He had a historic year in 2007 where he set all kinds of records that will be really tough to break. Plus, he's won 3 Super Bowls and has been part of one of the best franchises in football history.

3. Ben Roethlisberger - He may not be the flashiest QB or have the best stats, but he's a winner. Despite being one of the younger QBs in the league, he has two Super Bowls. His supporting cast on offense isn't that great, but he has the abililty to shine in the fourth quarter.

4. Kurt Warner- Despite his age, one of the top QBs in the league today. Former Super Bowl winner who also lead the mediocre Arizona Cardinals all the way to the championship game. His numbers have also been outstanding, just last year he had a streak of 4 or 5 straight 300 yard games.

5. Drew Bress - He hasn't won any Super Bowl's yet, but he has proven to be one of the best passers in the league. His career was almost over after the Chargers drafted Rivers, but becasue Rivers held out, Brees got one more chance at quaterback and was incredible. He's continued that success in New Orleans and has a shot at challenging the single season passing yards record every year.

 

[Baller]

Teddy Bruschi is one of the few things I like on the Patriots. He was a great guy who loved what he did and was one of the hardest workers in the NFL. Glad to see him go on his own power instead of being injured off the field. The fact that he came back after a stroke and continued to play at a high level for several years manifests the true strength this man has, and I wish him luck in his future endeavors

 

[Baller]

I like Big Ben but he is not top 5 yet. Yes I know he has won 2 titles but he is still young and makes far too many mistakes to be top 5 in my opinion.

1. Peyton Manning - Pretty obvious choice, has been the best for years, and hopefully with a new coach and without Marvin on that line he can still be great.

2. Tom Brady - If he didnt get inured last year and did 80% of 07-08 I may have switched my top 2, but lets see how he does in his 1st year back from injury.

3. Drew Brees - He is on a pass happy team, and he has good receivers. He leads the league in yards almost every years since being on the Saints and I dont see that changing for a few years.

4. Kurt Warner - Yes he is old, but he has 2 great receivers and a good slot guy. Another qb on a pass happy team and even if Warner isnt as good as he used to be he doesnt need to be with Fitzgerald and Boldin by his side.

5. Donovan McNabb - This guy is a great quarterback and just knows how to win. He doesnt have the best receiver corps and he still makes them look better then most. The 1 year he had Terrell Owens he was top 3 in the league, and he can still be productive with that lack of receivers around him.

 

[Jonnie Walker]

Well you obviously know nothing about football. McNabb is easily a top 10 quarterback in the NFL and arguably one of the top 5 best in the league. He consistently puts up great numbers and he's done it the majority of his career without a number one receiver. The only season he had a legitimate number one receiver with Terrell Owens happened to be the best season of his career. He had 3,875 passing yards with 31 touchdowns and only 8 picks and he led the Eagles to the Super Bowl.

He's one of the few "running quarterbacks" who actually looks to pass first. He rarely turns the ball over and his skill set is unmatched by the majority of the quarterbacks in the league. McNabb is a legit superstar and one of the toughest guys in the NFL.

He's never consistent.One week it's 4 interceptions,the next it's 4 touchdowns.There is no way he's a top five quarterback.Top ten is doubtful.
1.Tom Brady
2.Drew Brees
3.Peyton Manning
4.Aaron Rodgers
5.Kurt Warner
6.Jay Cutler
7.Matt Ryan
8.Ben Roethlisberger
9.Brett Favre
10.and then McNabb
The excuse of McNabb never having a number one reciever is because the Eagles are poorly managed,and Brady never really had a number one reciever either before they got Moss,so that's not an excuse.Good quarterbacks can turn recievers who are average into good recievers,just look at Deion Branch.Won a Super Bowl MVP award in New England,went to Seattle and now he sucks.Javon Walker was awesome in Green Bay,he was alright in Denver,and he plays for Oakland and is awful.

 

[Theo Mays]

I'm a Vikings fan and there is no way Favre should be ahead of McNabb. Donovan, in my mind is a top 10 QB and he is a very good one. He has inconsistencies, but a lot of QB's have that problem. Here is who I'd say is the top 10.

1. Manning, Peyton
2. Brady
3. Brees
4. Warner
5. Roethlisberger
6. Rivers
7. McNabb
8. Rodgers
9. Cutler
10. Romo

 

[TwistofRKO]

McNabb has also never had an offensive that has shown any commitment to running the ball. Why don't you gather same info? McNabb has the lowest interception % in NFL history and top 3 all-time TD-INT ratio, so he's a little more consistent than you give him credit for. Tom Brady is better than McNabb, but regardless, he has had the best coach in the NFL, and a balanced offense to run. McNabb has horrible play calling flowed into his head-set.

Deion Branch and Javon Walker have both endured A LOT of injuries, hardly problems indicative of their playing ability.

 

[JBK2008]

Top 10 QBs huh...well lets see...

1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Drew Brees
4. Ben Rothlisberger
5. Phillip Rivers
6. Kurt Warner
7. Donovan McNabb
8. Aaron Rodgers
9. Brett Favre
10. Carson Palmer

I'm a Bengals fan yes, but when healthy, I'll take Carson over Tony Romo and Jay Cutler and day of the week. Put Carson in the no huddle and tell me he won't do better than those two. Nobody can control the game like Peyton, and although Brady has won more with less stars on his team, he still is under Peyton, but not by much.

 

[Theo Mays]

I love Carson. He is right up there, he would be 11 on my list. Him, Romo, and JCut are all bunched up there together and all very close to each other. Reason Palmer failed to make my list was the fact he can't stay healthy and when the Cowboys didn't have Romo last season, they struggled, with him they were a playoff caliber team.

 

[Big Sexy]

He's never consistent.One week it's 4 interceptions,the next it's 4 touchdowns.

The most interceptions McNabb has ever thrown in a season is only 13, and actually McNabb has never had a 4 interception game. So I don't know where this inconsistency thing is coming from. Just because he doesn't throw for 300 yards every game doesn't mean he's inconsistent.

There is no way he's a top five quarterback.Top ten is doubtful.
1.Tom Brady
2.Drew Brees
3.Peyton Manning
4.Aaron Rodgers
5.Kurt Warner
6.Jay Cutler
7.Matt Ryan
8.Ben Roethlisberger
9.Brett Favre
10.and then McNabb

I'll give you Brady, Brees, and Manning but that's it. Aaron Rodgers has only been a starter for one year. He's going to have to have multiple good seasons before I put him up there.

When it comes to Kurt Warner it's not a coincidence that his only great seasons have come when he had Holt and Bruce in St Louis and Fitzgerald and Boldin in Arizona.

Then you have Jay Cutler? Really? The guy averages 16 picks a season. He turns the ball over way too much.

Then Matt Ryan. That has to be a joke. Again he's only played one season and it really wasn't that great of a year. 3400 yards 16 tds and 11 picks, that is far from spectacular.

Then Ben Roethlisberger. Another joke. He has only had one great season numbers wise. Every other year he has been average at best.

Then probably the biggest joke of all on your list Brett Favre. If this was 2004 he'd be in the top 5, but now he'd be lucky to be a top 10 guy. He's averaging 21 picks a season his last 4 years. The guy is no longer an elite quarterback no matter what anybody says.

The excuse of McNabb never having a number one reciever is because the Eagles are poorly managed,and Brady never really had a number one reciever either before they got Moss,so that's not an excuse.Good quarterbacks can turn recievers who are average into good recievers,just look at Deion Branch.Won a Super Bowl MVP award in New England,went to Seattle and now he sucks.Javon Walker was awesome in Green Bay,he was alright in Denver,and he plays for Oakland and is awful.

Tom Brady put up good numbers with the average receivers he had, but he didn't put up great numbers until he got Randy Moss. Brady's highest qb rating in his career before getting Moss was 92.6 and he only had a qb rating of over 90 twice in the 6 seasons as a starter prior to Moss.

You bring up Deion Branch, but the guy was NEVER a great receiver. He has never gone over 1000 yards receiving. With Javon Walker he was already a pretty good receiver even before going to Green Bay. He had over 1000 yards receiving and 8 tds in Denver with Jake Plummer as his quarterback.

The fact is that McNabb before getting Terrell Owens had Todd fucking Pinkston and James fucking Thrash as his top two receivers. And he still put up good numbers. As far as McNabb not being able to make average receivers good, what do you think he did in 2007? He took Kevin Curtis who had never done much of note and got him to over 1100 yards receiving.

There's nothing you can show me that will prove to me McNabb isn't one of the best quarterbacks in the league because it just isn't possible to prove a false statement.

 

[X]

Yeah I'm not sure where this McNabb hate is coming from. Probably in the Top 5 QBs in the league right now. I think without a doubt Brady is the best in the league, and that it isn't even close. Peyton is still number two, but Brady proved that one you give him a real weapon on that offense, he can shatter records. Peyton had one of the greatest receivers of all time for a decade and couldn't match that one season of Brady-Moss. Peyton is still obviously fantastic though. Drew Brees is really on the verge of breaking out, he's got all the talent in t he world to do it. I'd put McNabb in there after those 3 in terms of talent, but I think Big Ben has proven he knows how to win, so he'd get an honorable mention in there.

Can't wait for the season to start. Pat open up against the Bills...can't wait to see how this year turns out for us.

 

[Baller]

I dont understand the hate McNabb gets. He is good every year and has great years every few years, but know matter what he is good every year.

There is no way he's a top five quarterback.Top ten is doubtful.
1.Tom Brady
2.Drew Brees
3.Peyton Manning
4.Aaron Rodgers
5.Kurt Warner
6.Jay Cutler
7.Matt Ryan
8.Ben Roethlisberger
9.Brett Favre
10.and then McNabb

So you are telling me two second year quarterbacks, a qb on a team with no receivers, a 40 year old man who couldnt do squat at the end of the year is better then McNabb. COME ON MAN. The only 3 I would give you is Brady Brees and Manning. If you put McNabb with the receivers Warner has McNabb would be the greatest quarterback in history.

 

[jmt225]

Talently is McNabb top 5? Maybe, and that's a big maybe, but for argument's sake, I'll grant him that.

But the problem with McNabb is that he only performs well when he feels like it. Look at last year, for example. He didn't start playing well until his ass got benched. All before then he played like shit and cried every week about being on that team.

If the guy wasn't such a baby, and had the heart and toughness of say Bret Favre, hell... he quite possibly could be as good as Brady and Manning. But his attitude and the pussy between his legs keeps him from being so.

 

[BooCocky]

meh, he had an up and down season, but his ups and downs were when the Team was going through injuries. McNabb is easily a top 10 Quarterback and I don't think anyone can debate that. I believe he's been to four NFC championship games, one Superbowl and had several other playoff experience. He has all the intangibles that I want in a Quarterback.

And to be honest I have a hard time putting a second year QB who has been consistent for the last ten years or so. Don't get me wrong, Ryan and Rodgers are both good Quarterbacks, but lets wait and see how they do there second year as a starter before we place them ahead of someone like McNabb.

Anyways, cuts are starting to be made and the Steelers haven't released anyone who I thought was going to make the team. Hopefully Logan makes the team because in my opinion, he seems like a special returner. Also Stapleton was placed on IR. Sucks for him, he was going to start.

 

[Big Sexy]

But the problem with McNabb is that he only performs well when he feels like it. Look at last year, for example. He didn't start playing well until his ass got benched. All before then he played like shit and cried every week about being on that team.

McNabb was having a great year before he got benched. He only had two bad games. At Cincinnati when they tied them 13-13 and then the next week at Baltimore when he got benched. Take away those two games and he was having a very good season before the benching.