NFL Thread - 2009-10

[The Bearded One]

The Broncos are just one screw-up after another. Would this have happened if Shanahan was still the coach. I, unlike many others, weren't really surprised when Shanahan got fired because he really hasn't done too much since John Elway retired. But if he was still the coach, I'm almost positive that the Broncos would still have Jay Cutler.

But moving on to Brandon Marshall, the dude is an idiot. He deserves what he got. They showed a list of things h thats happened to him this offseason on Sportscenter, and it was 3 pages long. He is critical to the team, and admits to not knowing the playbook. He half-asses it in practice, going so far as knocking down passes that are intended for him. Marshall also has, or maybe had, legal issues to deal with. If I was the Broncos, I would try to get rid of him in any way I could.

 

[Big Sexy]

Suspending Marshall for the rest of the pre season is more of a gift then a punishment. Marshall has a minor injury anyways so there is a good chance that he wouldn't have played anyways. Marshall is definitely an idiot, but you have to give some blame to the Broncos as well.

Marshall said he wanted to be traded and that he wasn't happy in Denver so what did they expect? They knew he was going to be more trouble then he was worth and instead of trading him while his value was at it's highest, they kept him.

Now when they had a chance to really punish him and show that they meant business, they suspend him for 2 fucking pre season games. Really? How is that a punishment? They are basically saying you can stay at home and chill instead of playing a few plays in a couple meaningless games. If they really wanted to discipline him then they would have suspended him for a couple of regular season games. The Broncos organization is all fucked up at this point and I honestly don't see them winning any more then 6 games this season.

 

[TwistofRKO]

Does Donovan McNabb piss anyone else off? The guy is such a fucking baby. I remember Terrell Owens got all the blame when his relationship with McNabb fell apart, but really... McNabb was just as much to blame as T.O. as far as I'm concerned. And McNabb's actions last night proves that to be a fact, because once again, someone steals his spotlight, and he gets all fucking butthurt.

Seriously, Vick comes in last night for six plays, goes 4-4 and runs the other two plays. And after that, on the sideline, McNabb bitches at him and then signals the Offensive Coordinator to take Vick out. What the fuck? Honestly, what the fuck is the point of preseason if you're not going to try new things? What was the point of McNabb being such a "huge" part in Philly signing Vick, if that's how he's going to react when Vick finally gets a chance to play?

Fuck McNabb. I cannot stand that selfish, crybaby motherfucker. I really hope he plays horrible this year, and Vick takes his spot. That dude does not deserve to be a starting QB in the first place. I mean, he's a pussy and whiner, for one, but he's also extremely inconsistent and only plays hard when he wants to. I can't wait to see him out of this fucking league.

McNabb didn't go to Reid and cry and ask for Vick to be released, he said the usage and timing upset the timing and rhythm they were building on offense, which is the only reason any 1st teamers need to be on the field, to gain said timing.

This is truly an atrocious post, and I never thought I'd say that about anything you said, but everyone has their faults and I guess I found one. No disrespect intended, I still hold you in high regards, but this entire post was awful and immature.

And I'd like to know why X would be disappointed in fans who cheer for their team (Vick)? Interested to hear this one out, for sure.

 

[BooCocky]

LOL, I don't even like Donovan and I will stick up for him here. Rotating Vick was disrupting his rythm. This isn't high school football, these kind of things do not work in the NFL. When McNabb was playing he looked alright. He was also bitching at Shady for not going after a loose ball. I know McCoy is a rookie but he should never die on a play like that. McNabb was just mad he was losing snaps with the first team. Calling him a cry baby was a little far fetched. Also, Vick coud only dream of having a career like Donovan. So all in all, I thought Donovan had all the right to bitch. We all know it is his team.

 

[X]

And I'd like to know why X would be disappointed in fans who cheer for their team (Vick)? Interested to hear this one out, for sure.

It's pretty simple really TwistofRKO (how the hell do you have a full rep bar? ). Michael Vick is a piece of shit. He's human trash. He's a despicable excuse for a human being, and if the world were a just place, he'd be getting beaten with a rusty pipe for the next five years.

Anyone who cheers for Michael Vick, is a cunt. Pretty much as simple as that. Just because he's on your team doesn't mean you can just forget the shit he's done. I suppose if a McNabb murdered a few infants, it'd be okay for the fans to continue to cheer him, since he's on their team?

Michael Vick is a piece of shit. Anyone who cheers for him, well they're a piece of shit in my book as well. Sorry, I don't condone human trash being cheered. That's just me.

 

[TwistofRKO]

It's pretty simple really TwistofRKO (how the hell do you have a full rep bar? ). Michael Vick is a piece of shit. He's human trash. He's a despicable excuse for a human being, and if the world were a just place, he'd be getting beaten with a rusty pipe for the next five years.

Anyone who cheers for Michael Vick, is a cunt. Pretty much as simple as that. Just because he's on your team doesn't mean you can just forget the shit he's done. I suppose if a McNabb murdered a few infants, it'd be okay for the fans to continue to cheer him, since he's on their team?

Michael Vick is a piece of shit. Anyone who cheers for him, well they're a piece of shit in my book as well. Sorry, I don't condone human trash being cheered. That's just me.

This might be the single most ignorant post on this forum. When did you graduate from law school? How long have you been a judge? What are your qualifications to judge him? Nothing.

You're right on with McNabb killing PEOPLE and Vick WATCHING people kill DOGS. That's pretty much the same thing. I'll give you that one.

It's scary how people can be this diluted, or at least that's one someone who isn't brainwashed would say. Michael Vick did his time, turned his life around, and wants to support his family. However all of this should be thrown away, and that "human piece of trash" (obviously you are qualified to accurately determine each individual person while sitting on your home computer watching pornography with ice cream stains on your t-shirt) should be beaten with a rusty pipe for the next 5 years, because you and your might opinion has made that judgment.

Thank you for enlightening me.

 

[TwistofRKO]

There are actually Vikings fans who support this move?

What part excites you? Him handing off to Adrian, let him move the chains, and then bonehead the Vikings out of contention when it comes time to pass? The Vikings had a higher passer rating and more wins than the Favre and the Jets last season. I don't see much of an improvement. Jeff Garcia fits Minnesota much better, and THAT'S the move they should have made. Brett Favre hasn't been capable of leading a team to the Super Bowl in over a decade, and he's been on teams better than the 2009 Vikings.

I fail to see how adding a choke artist with a dead arm improves a playoff team. I'm sorry.

 

[X]

This might be the single most ignorant post on this forum. When did you graduate from law school? How long have you been a judge? What are your qualifications to judge him? Nothing.

You're right on with McNabb killing PEOPLE and Vick WATCHING people kill DOGS. That's pretty much the same thing. I'll give you that one.

If you're going to call me out, perhaps you should actually be familiar with Michael Vick's case before making an ass out of yourself?

Federal investigators, responding to a Freedom of Information Act request by WSB-TV's Scott MacFarlane, have revealed Vick personally killed at least seven of his fighting dogs by hanging or drowning. They also revealed Vick failed police polygraph tests in which he denied killing animals. And the federal paperwork said Vick decided to start his dogfighting ring just days after being drafted by the Atlanta Falcons in 2001.

Vick personally tortured dogs. Electrocuted them, hung them, beat them to death. Know what you're talking about if you're going to attempt to debate it.

It's scary how people can be this diluted, or at least that's one someone who isn't brainwashed would say. Michael Vick did his time, turned his life around, and wants to support his family. However all of this should be thrown away, and that "human piece of trash" (obviously you are qualified to accurately determine each individual person while sitting on your home computer watching pornography with ice cream stains on your t-shirt) should be beaten with a rusty pipe for the next 5 years, because you and your might opinion has made that judgment.

Thank you for enlightening me.

I'm sorry, but dog murderers and torturers are pieces of shit. There's a reason that most serial killers killed small animals as children. Because they were sick people. And Michael Vick is a sick person. Fuck him, I have no sympathy for him whatsoever. He makes millions of dollars to play a fucking game, is on TV every week, has thousands upon thousands of fans, and is a role model to children. And he's out there murdering fucking dogs. Sorry, fuck him.

Michael Vick is human trash. I stand by that statement. I have no sympathy for people who torture animals.

 

[TwistofRKO]

As long as you come out and make a statement like this one, proclaiming your desire to remain ignorant I can leave it at that. It's not a respectable choice, but I can say you are knowingly ignorant rather than knowing nothing to begin with.

So you say Vick is a sick, despicable human being? I knew he personally killed some of the dogs (his main role was financing), but I also know he recently helped shut down a dog fighting ring in Philly in the past week.

Since Vick is a "piece of trash" I beg you to tell me what PETA is? You know, the place that kills friendly animals, not pit bulls, but rather black labs, golden retrievers, etc. Did you know that? Probably not. You'd rather be brainwashed, not think for yourself, and jump on the forums at 3 am and brag about what others have told you to believe.

PETA kills far more animals than Vick ever has:

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm?headline=2833
http://www.newsweek.com/id/134549
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/06/23/EDG11DC9BK1.DTL

But we'd rather go after Vick, because he's "trash" and should be killed

 

[X]

As long as you come out and make a statement like this one, proclaiming your desire to remain ignorant I can leave it at that. It's not a respectable choice, but I can say you are knowingly ignorant rather than knowing nothing to begin with.

My desire to remain ignorant? Exactly what am I being ignorant about, do tell? The fact that I don't condone murdering dogs for fun? Yeah, how "stupid" of me.

So you say Vick is a sick, despicable human being? I knew he personally killed some of the dogs (his main role was financing), but I also know he recently helped shut down a dog fighting ring in Philly in the past week.

PR stunts don't exactly bring those dogs back to life though do they?

Since Vick is a "piece of trash" I beg you to tell me what PETA is? You know, the place that kills friendly animals, not pit bulls, but rather black labs, golden retrievers, etc. Did you know that? Probably not. You'd rather be brainwashed, not think for yourself, and jump on the forums at 3 am and brag about what others have told you to believe.

PETA kills far more animals than Vick ever has:

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm?headline=2833
http://www.newsweek.com/id/134549
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/06/23/EDG11DC9BK1.DTL

But we'd rather go after Vick, because he's "trash" and should be killed

Lovely. There's the telling sign of someone who's realized they've lost the argument; they begin to bring up completely irrelevant information to somehow try and "catch" you into being a hypocrite. Did I say even one thing about PETA? I don't give a flying fuck about PETA, did I ever claim to? No, I didn't. So you can please take your links and your PETA comments, and you can throw them away. They have absolutely nothing to do with Michael Vick's case. Absolutely nothing.

Vick tortured and murdered dogs for sport. I consider that a person of incredibly poor character. I could understand if he was just involved in the business of it, it'd still be bad, but I could understand and forgive. But the fact that he just gleefully went ahead and tortured dogs for sport is something I can't forgive. It's a sign that Michael Vick, as a human being, is of incredibly poor character. I could care less if a train hit him tomorrow morning.

 

[TwistofRKO]

That's what you are being ignorant about, the entire issue. Vick cannot possibly be a good person and obviously couldn't have changed, while his 2 years in prison obviously was not enough. Continue to remain ignorant on that one.

Saving more dogs is a bad thing? PR stunt? It was hardly covered by local media, yet alone get any attention on the national level.

That's my point, thank you for showing it. Nobody cares if an annoying veggie-crazed organization kills animals, but when a punk athlete does it he should die.

To wish death on anyone short of those raping or killing children shows a lapse of judgment and a severe flaw in your own character. I missed the part where you became important where people care about your opinion on who should live and who should die.

 

[X]

To wish death on anyone short of those raping or killing children shows a lapse of judgment and a severe flaw in your own character. I missed the part where you became important where people care about your opinion on who should live and who should die.

PLEASE inform of where I said that Vick should be executed for his crime? Did I say that? Never, don't put words into my mouth to try and save face, I said no such thing. If you're referring to the comment I made about beating him with a pipe, if you weren't clever enough to pick this up, I was being hyperbolic. Not very good at catching subtext are we? Obviously Vick shouldn't be executed for his crime, I never stated he should be.

 

[jmt225]

Hey come on now JMT, McNabb deserves to be a QB more than Vick does, that's for god damn sure. I was absolutely disgusted by the Philly fans for giving Vick a standing ovation. Seriously, every Philly fan who cheered for him should be fucking ashamed of themselves.

Granted, McNabb never broke the law, but I still say he's nowhere near as good as he's praised and he's lucky as hell that he's still a starter in this league after all the crying and bitching he's done over the years. The dude is just a baby, and that's all there is to it.

Honest to God, I'd take non-dogfighting Vick is in prime over McNabb any day of the fucking week. Vick in his prime had more talent in his pinkie toe than McNabb has in his whole body.

McNabb didn't go to Reid and cry and ask for Vick to be released, he said the usage and timing upset the timing and rhythm they were building on offense, which is the only reason any 1st teamers need to be on the field, to gain said timing.

But who is he to determined what the team should do? That's the coaches job, not his.

The way I saw it man was him yell at Vick and cut his throat at the offensive coordinator. After he did that, Vick didn't play another play. It's fucking ridiculous. The coaches had to change all their plans just to please that crybaby.

Seriously, I and everyone else tuned in to see Vick play that night. He came in, did okay, and then got benched because of a baby's whining. That's what happened man, and you really cannot blame me for getting mad at McNabb. He does this kind of shit all the time.

Michael Vick is human trash. I stand by that statement. I have no sympathy for people who torture animals.

You know how I feel about this situation X, but honestly man, the better Vick does in the NFL, the more he will be able to help the cause of dogfighting in this country. Vick ran one little rink, whereas there as hundreds and hundreds of them all across this country of ours, and Vick can help put a stop to it, more so if he's successful.

So, yeah, for that and because I do think he's changed and I can't stand McNabb, I do hope he does EXTREMELY and take that baby's spot later on this season. I support Vick to the fullest.

 

[TwistofRKO]

Try and save face? Please.

Ignore the entire post and respond to only that? That's cool..

I wasn't taking any specific quotes to heart, I'm taking the general overall feeling you are giving off, ya know, where it seems he's almost as bad as Hitler.

@JMT, sure you tuned in to see Vick, but that doesn't mean ANYTHING to the team on the field, they have a job to get done. McNabb being a seasoned veteran who knows winning, would know what he needs to do on the field. I highly doubt McNabb has had no extensive contact with the coaching staff on the issue.

Vick probably won't be reinstated in the 1st game, McNabb is going to be on the field in the 1st game. As an Eagles fan I want McNabb in the best possible position to help us win week 1, not put on a better show for fans tuning in to see Vick. There are no problems between the two, they'll find a way to resolve the issue. What you see as complaining I see as good communication, because i'd rather have the issues solved now rather than having issues into the regular season.

 

[X]

Try and save face? Please.

Ignore the entire post and respond to only that? That's cool..

I wasn't taking any specific quotes to heart, I'm taking the general overall feeling you are giving off, ya know, where it seems he's almost as bad as Hitler.

Again, clearly you don't understand what hyperbole is do you? How did I in any way compare him to Hitler?

Vick did an awful thing. Which makes him an awful person in my book. That's my opinion on the man, and I don't really give a shit if you approve or not.

 

[TwistofRKO]

Again, clearly you don't understand what hyperbole is do you? How did I in any way compare him to Hitler?

Vick did an awful thing. Which makes him an awful person in my book. That's my opinion on the man, and I don't really give a shit if you approve or not.

Good, we can move on to the other point, being that a crowd of people cheering for him being any number of obscenities, would care about YOUR opinion on the issue? Your stance is completely ridiculous.

 

[X]

Good, we can move on to the other point, being that a crowd of people cheering for him being any number of obscenities, would care about YOUR opinion on the issue? Your stance is completely ridiculous.

How is my stance ridiculous? You're the one who attacked me for simply stating my opinion. This is a discussion forum, what exactly do you think it's designed for? People to share their opinion. That's my opinion on the fans cheering Vick. Did I say they should care about my opinion? No.

Seriously, what are you doing man? You're attacking me for no other reason than expressing my opinion?

 

[The Bearded One]

Mike Vick has never been anything more than an average quarterback with great running ability. Sure, he had a great arm, but he was absolutely horrible at reading the field. He never was really all that good. Exciting? Yes, because you never knew when he was going to take off and run, but he was never that good of a quarterback.

Vick did terrible things, and he paid the price for it. Will he ever be forgiven? By most people, no. But he has done everything that has been asked for him since being in prison. So while I may not be able to forgive him, he's paid his price and now deserves a second chance.

 

[TwistofRKO]

How is my stance ridiculous? You're the one who attacked me for simply stating my opinion. This is a discussion forum, what exactly do you think it's designed for? People to share their opinion. That's my opinion on the fans cheering Vick. Did I say they should care about my opinion? No.

Seriously, what are you doing man? You're attacking me for no other reason than expressing my opinion?

If i say it correctly... I'm attacking you for attacking others for expressing THEIR opinions. The funny thing is, their opinion has the law on their side, while you look silly holding a grudge.

 

[X]

If i say it correctly... I'm attacking you for attacking others for expressing THEIR opinions. The funny thing is, their opinion has the law on their side, while you look silly holding a grudge.

That's nice. I could care less about what side the law is on. I don't support people who get their kicks from torturing dogs, sorry, maybe you support that, but I sure as hell don't. It's not like he made a mistake or just "accidentally" got into some bad stuff, no, he gleefully tortured those dogs and killed them. I'm sorry, but to me, that isn't something I can forgive. Ever. Those dogs had just as much of a right to live on this planet than any human does. That's my opinion, and guess what? I don't give a fuck if you approve or not. I'm ending this discussion now, and if you continue it, not only will I not respond, but you may have to be reacquainted with the rules here on something called "trolling". Drop it. That's my only warning.

 

[TwistofRKO]

Anyways, it appears Vick will get his reps this week against the Jets in the Meadowlands. This is the game everyone should be focused on anyways, he'll get meaningful reps, he'll go on the road, no less going on the road with New York fans. I think this is a good test for him, albeit against 3rd stringers, he just needs some time on the field.

 

[Jonnie Walker]

Stallworth just happened to be drunk? What the hell kind of an excuse is that? His blood alcohol level was .12, which is over the legal limit in Florida of .08. I don't care if the pedestrian was not in a crosswalk, "oh he was jay-walking, he deserved to be hit by a drunk driver." Stallworth flashed his lights at the man, big whoop. Slow your fucking car down. He was also speeding, going 50 in a 40. It isn't a huge amount for speed, but speeding is speeding. Besides, the pedestrian wasn't drunk or intoxicated at all, he just got off work and was trying to catch a bus to head home.

I don't care who you are, if you kill somebody, you should go to jail, for longer than 24 days. So he has to do 1,000 hours of community service, 2 years of house arrest, (but if I recall correctly he can go workout?) 8 years probation, and his Florida state drivers license suspended for life, along with his already done 24 days in prison. Oh and he got suspended for an entire year without pay. Gee that just seems so damn harsh for taking the life of a pedestrian, while intoxicated no less.

Plaxico was a moron, I am not denying that. He deserves the sentence he got. But for you to say that Stallworth wasn't at fault for killing a pedestrian while intoxicated, and that Burress is a dumbass is just stupid. Burress had an unregistered gun with him, and shot himself. I don't disagree with him being a dumbass. But him getting two years for just shooting himself, and Donte Stallworth actually killed a man while drunk, to only get what he got, I call bullshit.

I agree,but what I was trying to say was he didn't do it on purpose,and it wasn't entirely his fault,but I agree he should've gotten more than 24 days.

 

[Jonnie Walker]

Does Donovan McNabb piss anyone else off? The guy is such a fucking baby. I remember Terrell Owens got all the blame when his relationship with McNabb fell apart, but really... McNabb was just as much to blame as T.O. as far as I'm concerned. And McNabb's actions last night proves that to be a fact, because once again, someone steals his spotlight, and he gets all fucking butthurt.

Seriously, Vick comes in last night for six plays, goes 4-4 and runs the other two plays. And after that, on the sideline, McNabb bitches at him and then signals the Offensive Coordinator to take Vick out. What the fuck? Honestly, what the fuck is the point of preseason if you're not going to try new things? What was the point of McNabb being such a "huge" part in Philly signing Vick, if that's how he's going to react when Vick finally gets a chance to play?

Fuck McNabb. I cannot stand that selfish, crybaby motherfucker. I really hope he plays horrible this year, and Vick takes his spot. That dude does not deserve to be a starting QB in the first place. I mean, he's a pussy and whiner, for one, but he's also extremely inconsistent and only plays hard when he wants to. I can't wait to see him out of this fucking league.

Absolutely.McNabb is a whiny little bitch.I'va always hated him.He's the reason why I hate the Eagles.Him,and their asshole fans.God I hate those fans.And McNabb is so inconsistent it's ridiculous.He doesn't deserve a starting quarterback job.I can name multiple quarterbacks better than him.Joe Flacco is better.At least that kid doesn't bitch and moan when he doesn't get his way.But until then,go Falcons.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

What's with all the McNabb hate? I'll take him over Vick any day of the week if I want to win one football game. Over his career the highest season interception total he has is 13 which was in his second season. 194 TD's to only 90 INT is great compared to Vick's 71 TD and 52 INT.

To be great in this league and to get to the Super Bowl and possibly win it, you have to be a drop back passer. McNabb is a better passer and has a better completion percentage then Vick. How many NFC Championship games has Vick won? How many SB has Vick been to? None. I know I would hear that McNabb wouldn't have got to the Super Bowl without Terell Owens but it is true. Owens was out for the playoffs and they still got there.

At the end of the day, Vick is good but he can just run fast. McNabb is a better overall quarterback than Vick and that is my opinion.

 

[X]

I completely agree with you LJL, and not just because of my disdain for Vick as a person. McNabb has accomplished far more in this league then Vick could dream about, and gives you a much better chance to win every Sunday then someone who is as inconsistent and error-prone as Vick is. The scrambling is nice, but at the end of the day you still need to not make mistakes when you drop back for the pass. I'd take McNabb over Vick any day of the week, and I'm certain that the Eagles feel that way as well.