And I'm saying it's not just his attitude.
NBA Thread - 2012-13
- Thread starter Big Sexy
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His ability as a basketball player.
Neither Magic nor Robertson were deadeye shooters.
I'm doing no such thing. Just because I'm saying he's not the best ever, that doesn't mean I'm saying he's not good. But if you were starting a team tomorrow, would you rather have Rondo or Deron Williams? A healthy Derrick Rose? Chris Paul? Russel Westbrook?
I'm not even sure you can make the argument Rondo is the best PG today, but I'm fairly certain he's not talented enough to be considered the greatest PG ever, regardless of his attitude.
So a 3-way trade has happened:
Grizzlies get:
Tayshaun Prince
Austin Daye
Ed Davis
2nd round pick from Toronto
Raptors get:
Rudy Gay
Hamed Haddadi
Pistons get:
Jose Calderon
So what is everyone's thoughts on this trade?
It'll be weird to see Prince out of Detroit, but I don't feel like any team got better except for Toronto. If Memphis was trying to get over the hump, I don't think this is the trade that'll do it.
Grizzlies get:
Tayshaun Prince
Austin Daye
Ed Davis
2nd round pick from Toronto
Raptors get:
Rudy Gay
Hamed Haddadi
Pistons get:
Jose Calderon
So what is everyone's thoughts on this trade?
It'll be weird to see Prince out of Detroit, but I don't feel like any team got better except for Toronto. If Memphis was trying to get over the hump, I don't think this is the trade that'll do it.
The Pistons won this trade. Calderon will likely be gone after this season but he will be able to mentor Brandon Knight a little and it should also be a lot of fun seeing a true point guard setting up Greg Monroe and Andre Drummond. This even gives the Pistons a chance to possibly make a late run at the 8 seed. The biggest thing this does for Detroit is it saves them money. Tayshaun has a decent sized contract that runs 3 more years and while it is hard to see the last remaining member of the 2004 title team leave town, this gives the Pistons even more cap space then they were already going to have after this season.
Memphis makes out fairly well in this trade. They get a good, young big man prospect in Ed Davis plus they improve their wing defense even more by adding Prince. Tayshaun isn't the same offensive threat as Rudy Gay but he is actually an underrated scorer who can get it done inside and on the perimeter. Austin Daye is just and expiring contract. Overall Memphis stays competitive and they save a good amount of money.
I have no clue what the Raptors are doing. Getting rid of Calderon makes sense but Getting rid of Ed Davis for Rudy Gay doesn't. Gay is clearly the best player in this deal but the Raptors already have an athletic wing in Demar Derozan. Gay is better but now you have two players who are virtually identical in the starting lineup. I just don't see this team meshing well and I still don't see them as a playoff team. When you add a $16.5 million per year player in a trade, you better become at least a playoff team
Memphis makes out fairly well in this trade. They get a good, young big man prospect in Ed Davis plus they improve their wing defense even more by adding Prince. Tayshaun isn't the same offensive threat as Rudy Gay but he is actually an underrated scorer who can get it done inside and on the perimeter. Austin Daye is just and expiring contract. Overall Memphis stays competitive and they save a good amount of money.
I have no clue what the Raptors are doing. Getting rid of Calderon makes sense but Getting rid of Ed Davis for Rudy Gay doesn't. Gay is clearly the best player in this deal but the Raptors already have an athletic wing in Demar Derozan. Gay is better but now you have two players who are virtually identical in the starting lineup. I just don't see this team meshing well and I still don't see them as a playoff team. When you add a $16.5 million per year player in a trade, you better become at least a playoff team
Why is it when all the best PGs today are being listed, Tony Parker always get ignored? Is it because he is French? 
As for the 3 team trade, I think it is a money saving trade for Grizzlies and Pistons and a WTF for the Raptors.
For the Grizzlies, they got rid of an expensive contract to get more manageable ones while getting some immediate help in Prince for their playoff push. However even though their production might be similar, Rudy Gay was the one player on that team that can create his own shots and command double teams to help create open shots for teammates. Nobody will double on Prince. A lot of pressure on their point PGs to create shots for everyone.
Pistons got rid of Prince's contract and got an expiring contract to make a run at free agency.
Raptors got an overpaid good player to go along with all their other overpaid good players which is like WTF to their fans. Unless they want to push for the 8th Seed this season to be wiped by the Heat or already have a deal to get rid of Bargnani to rebuild for next season this deal makes almost zero sense to me.
As for the 3 team trade, I think it is a money saving trade for Grizzlies and Pistons and a WTF for the Raptors.
For the Grizzlies, they got rid of an expensive contract to get more manageable ones while getting some immediate help in Prince for their playoff push. However even though their production might be similar, Rudy Gay was the one player on that team that can create his own shots and command double teams to help create open shots for teammates. Nobody will double on Prince. A lot of pressure on their point PGs to create shots for everyone.
Pistons got rid of Prince's contract and got an expiring contract to make a run at free agency.
Raptors got an overpaid good player to go along with all their other overpaid good players which is like WTF to their fans. Unless they want to push for the 8th Seed this season to be wiped by the Heat or already have a deal to get rid of Bargnani to rebuild for next season this deal makes almost zero sense to me.
Well, it's been about 2 weeks since we've found out Rondo will be out for the season and I must say, although it's a still small sample of games, I was quite wrong about the Celtics. They've won 5 in a row (about to be 6 with this whipping of the Lakers) and are playing as a much better team. I'll admit I was basing my opinion of them (right after Rondo got hurt) was only on a select few games and if I was able to watch them more maybe I could've seen this coming. What I've heard from Celtic fans is that with Rondo out there is more fluidity with the ball and it isn't someone dominating the ball for most of the shot clock before doing something. I don't think they should go all in for one more run (as in trade for big contracts) but they proved they can still hang and may actually be better fit without Rondo. This is still only 6 games and a lot could change, but if they can get out of the 8 spot and other side of the bracket from Miami they would still scare some teams in the quite weak East.
I think I'd trade Rondo if I was going to trade Garnett or Pierce. Rondo actually has trade value.
The ACL injury killed his value, though. What teams gonna want to get him when you'll have only about 1 1/2 years of him under contract and don't know if he'll be happy where he's at anyways. Plus when ACL injuries happen players tend to take some time to get their "good legs" back, so to speak. I agree with the premise, but the injury would only allow Boston to only get 60 cents on the dollar compared to the 90 or 95 they could get with him healthy.
Trade him at the end of the year.
I'm not a Rondo fan. He's tremendously athletic, but I've always seen so much potential in him, potential he's never lived up to. The fact he cannot hit a consistent jumper just screams lack of work ethic to me.
He'll still be recovering from his injury by then. ETA probably December or January going based off of history of ACL's. That's a little more than 1/2 season plus 2014-15. Idk, even a trade in December won't gain them as much as they would've gotten a week before he got hurt. I know Boston had no way of predicting a devestating injury such as that, but that's life.
I contend that Kyrie Irving is the fourth best PG in the league, and nearly the third. That is, he is on the cusp of eclipsing Russel Westbrook.
Furthermore, I contend that if he added average defense to his repertoire of skills, and if his team converted more of his assist opportunities, he would become the best PG in the league.
He is 20 years old and in his second season.
How terrified and/or jealous are you? Because you should be very much of both.
Furthermore, I contend that if he added average defense to his repertoire of skills, and if his team converted more of his assist opportunities, he would become the best PG in the league.
He is 20 years old and in his second season.
How terrified and/or jealous are you? Because you should be very much of both.
The NBA trade deadline is later today and last night a couple of small deals took place, both involving the Houston Rockets. First they sent Patrick Patterson, Cole Aldrich, Toney Douglas, and $1 million cash to Sacramento for Thomas Robinson, Francisco Garcia, and Tyler Honeycut. Basically it was Patterson for Robinson. Houston gets a the number 5 overall pick from this year who has struggled but has potential and is a better rebounder then Patterson. Sacramento gets more of a stretch four to put alongside Demarcus Cousins (the two were teammates at Kentucky as well).
The second trade has Houston sending Marcus Morris to Phoenix for a second round pick. Marcus has had a decent second season in Houston after struggling his rookie year and this trade reunites him with his twin brother Markieff.
The second trade has Houston sending Marcus Morris to Phoenix for a second round pick. Marcus has had a decent second season in Houston after struggling his rookie year and this trade reunites him with his twin brother Markieff.
Papa Pillman
I've got more Ho's than Jim Duggan
I know that the Kings(the Maloof's really) have come out and admitted that the Rockets trade was a salary dump to save them three or four extra million off the bottom line, and that management wasn't really "excited" about the move, but...
I think this deal could actually turn out well for the Sacramento(Seattle?) franchise. Cousins is obviously their top talent, and on the very short list of most talented bigs in the league, but we also know what baggage he represents.
Bringing in PPatt is a stroke of genius for them. Patterson was the one true piece of veteran talent that Cal inherited at UK. He had suffered through the Billy G. fiascos and was already a very mature and established leader when that first crop of ultra-talented freshmen hit Lexington. Even as their peer, Patterson was also their mentor and their calming influence. Cousins(believe it or not) matured alot due to the presence of Patrick. If there is one man in the league(coach, player, exec, or otherwise) who may be able to get a hold of Demarcus and guide him to getting his head on straight, that man would most likely be PPatt.
The presence of Patterson could be the thing that prevents Cousins's career from derailing, and allows him to develop into a guy who can be counted on as a franchise cornerstone.
I think this deal could actually turn out well for the Sacramento(Seattle?) franchise. Cousins is obviously their top talent, and on the very short list of most talented bigs in the league, but we also know what baggage he represents.
Bringing in PPatt is a stroke of genius for them. Patterson was the one true piece of veteran talent that Cal inherited at UK. He had suffered through the Billy G. fiascos and was already a very mature and established leader when that first crop of ultra-talented freshmen hit Lexington. Even as their peer, Patterson was also their mentor and their calming influence. Cousins(believe it or not) matured alot due to the presence of Patrick. If there is one man in the league(coach, player, exec, or otherwise) who may be able to get a hold of Demarcus and guide him to getting his head on straight, that man would most likely be PPatt.
The presence of Patterson could be the thing that prevents Cousins's career from derailing, and allows him to develop into a guy who can be counted on as a franchise cornerstone.
Not much to report from the trade deadline this season. The big name that everyone though would be moved was Josh Smith but he ended up staying in the ATL. JJ Redick was the biggest name to move as he went to Milwaukee. That makes the Bucks a little better but they will still be either the 7 or 8 seed in the East and be bounced in the first round.
A few other small deals took place. Memphis got Dexter Pittman from Miami to add to their front court depth. Toronto picked up Sebastian Telfair to give them point guard depth after trading away Jose Calderon. Finally, Boston acquired Jordan Crawford who is a very good scorer and will give them more guard depth after the injuries to Rondo and Barbosa.
EDIT: There are some other small deals that are rumored to be complete but nothing else has been officially reported as of yet.
A few other small deals took place. Memphis got Dexter Pittman from Miami to add to their front court depth. Toronto picked up Sebastian Telfair to give them point guard depth after trading away Jose Calderon. Finally, Boston acquired Jordan Crawford who is a very good scorer and will give them more guard depth after the injuries to Rondo and Barbosa.
EDIT: There are some other small deals that are rumored to be complete but nothing else has been officially reported as of yet.
The remaining trades had Eric Maynor going from OKC to Portland, Ronni Brewer going from the Knicks to OKC, the Magic sending Josh McRoberts to the Bobcats for Hakim Warrick, and the Hawks sending Anthony Morrow to Dallas for Dahntay Jones. Nothing major but I do like the Thunder picking up Ronnie Brewer, giving them another good perimeter defender in case they meet the Heat in the finals again.
Can the Lakers make the playoffs? 2 months ago they were dead and buried but now the teams around them are all floundering while they are going on a superb run.
The dream would be to clinch that 6th seed to have a LA showdown in the first round. Is it possible or will they hit another bump and allow Utah to grab the 8th seed back?
The dream would be to clinch that 6th seed to have a LA showdown in the first round. Is it possible or will they hit another bump and allow Utah to grab the 8th seed back?
Hopefully the Jazz can hang onto the spot and make the playoffs, but I have my doubts. What I've been reading lends me to believe that Jazz management wanted to make a run at the playoffs (even if it meant a first round exit) and that was a big part of why they were so quiet at the trade deadline, keeping both Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap. Missing the playoffs would make that all worthless and -- worse -- basically mean that the Jazz gave up a chance to get some value in return for their two stars, rather than just let them walk in free agency.
The thing is, the Jazz really aren't a very good team. As much as I love them, I can't imagine they'll be able to hold off the Lakers for that eighth seed. If Dwight keeps playing like he did tonight, they'll be a major threat. Furthermore, their schedule in comparison to the Jazz is a cake walk. The Jazz are stuck playing the elite players in the West, while the Lakers have a relatively easy path to the playoffs. As much as I want to say the Jazz can hold the Lakers off, I don't think they can. The porous defense, one-dimensional offense, and lack of consistent play from key role players is going to hurt them.
The thing is, the Jazz really aren't a very good team. As much as I love them, I can't imagine they'll be able to hold off the Lakers for that eighth seed. If Dwight keeps playing like he did tonight, they'll be a major threat. Furthermore, their schedule in comparison to the Jazz is a cake walk. The Jazz are stuck playing the elite players in the West, while the Lakers have a relatively easy path to the playoffs. As much as I want to say the Jazz can hold the Lakers off, I don't think they can. The porous defense, one-dimensional offense, and lack of consistent play from key role players is going to hurt them.
The Lakers have won 17 of their last 23 and Dwight Howard is playing his best basketball of the season. I don't think the question is so much will the Lakers make the playoffs, but what seed will they be. They're only a .5 game behing Houston for the 7 seed and just 2 games behind GS for the 6 seed. Both the Warriors and Rockets have been struggling as of late. I think the Lakers may actually get the 6 seed which would set up a series with either the Clippers or the Grizzlies. Either way they would have a much better shot at winning that series then they would against OKC or San Antonio (I highly doubt they could beat either team).
Just as Lakers were gaining momentum, Kobe is out indefinitely after spraining his ankle in the Hawks game. Maybe team ball might do Lakers better much like Celtics without Rondo for the final regular season stretch. Letting Nash and Howard run the pick and roll is going to be interesting. Losing Kobe on defence got to hurt though. Who is going to step up to guard the opposing elite point guard now?
Also, the East look like a joke except for the Heat and the Pacer at the moment.
Also, the East look like a joke except for the Heat and the Pacer at the moment.
I'm beginning to think this too. LA is finally hitting their stride and playing at the potential that some people predicted before the season started. That win in Indiana was much needed. For their sakes, they better hope to get the #6 seed. As much as I love Lob City, the Lakers have a better chance taking them out than OKC or San Antonio.
Anybody think this Toronto game could be a trap for Miami? Maybe I'm just kidding myself. It IS Toronto.