NBA Offseason Thread 2010

Also, according to Chad Ford, the most likely scenario for the top free agents at the moment appears to be LeBron to Clevland, Bosh and Wade to Miami, Boozer to Chicago, and Amare to New York. If this happens, I'd say every team would have to be somewhat happy with how things panned out, but certainly none of them would suddenly become a dominant force.

Cleveland would be ecstatic as that would save their franchise. Miami would have to be happy getting probably the 2nd and 3rd best free agents on the market. New York would like more but would still be happy. Chicago would be a little upset not landing James or Wade but Boozer would be a nice addition and improve that team. The Nets would obviously be the big losers but could still hold out hope for a guy like David Lee.
 
Stoudamire is the first domino to fall. He goes to NY. No big deal. They'll still suck and he's vastly over paid. What's he ever won? Nothing. That's what I thought.

I think D Wade stays in Miami and Bosh goes with him. Lebron will stay in Cleveland and they'll continue to be overrated for the next 8-10 years. I want Wade to go to Chicago and another big name to follow but I don't think that's going to happen. Also I'll be pissed if these rumors are true. A sign and trade with NY that would send Lee to San Antonio for Tony Parker... Horrible move in my opinion...
 
LOL shaq got an offer from the Hawks

RealGM.com
The Hawks have offered Shaquille O'Neal a two-year contract that starts at $5.8 million per season, according to NBA sources close to both the team and the player.

"I think he wants to see how everything shakes out with all the free agents, but he's seriously considering Atlanta's offer,'' said the source who asked that his name not be used. "He wants to play two more years, and he wants it to be with a contender. He thinks he can help them become a serious one."
it would be an interesting front court if he does sign with em & have em play alongside Horford & Josh Smith (trade Marvin or make em come off the bench so Josh plays SF & Horford plays PF)
 
Shaq to the Hawks would definitely be an interesting move. Not something many people would see coming. It would give the Hawks a true big men (even though Shaq ain't elite anymore) to team with Josh Smith, Horford, and crew. And if they keep Joe Johnson they could give the Magic a run for the division title.

Now onto Amare. I've always found him overrated and I think the Knicks overpaid him. I've never seen him as an elite player nor do I think the Knicks could build a franchise around him. They need to get another piece (like Bron or Wade) if they want to be serious. With Amare and some decent role players I can't see them being a player in the East.
 
So take the Knicks out of the LeBron sweepstakes. By signing Amare, they no longer will intrigue James. When hearing about pairing with other stars, you never heard James' name tied with Amare. I honestly don't think he wants to play with him. So the Knicks move on. There was talk of trading for Parker and brining in Carmelo. Melo is a free agent after next season and he could possibly decide not to resign with Denver and could go to New York. How New York decides it will be interesting.

This tho gives Chicago a higher chance with LeBron. Chicago gives him the best chance to win now. And can offer teaming with Bosh and/or Wade. Staying in Cleveland seems like the worst option with what's offered elsewhere. So Chicago looks like they could be in the driver's seat.

As far as Shaq going to Atlanta, I don't know how well that would work out. I don't like a young team adding a veteran like Shaq. He is no longer what he use to be, as seen with the Suns and Cavs. I just don't think it would be smart for the Hawks to make such a move.
 
So Chris Duhon signed with the Magic for a 4 year $15 million deal. The Magic only had 1 guard signed on the roster-Nelson- so they needed to pick up another, and I believe signing Duhon was a smart move, considering they will be paying him less than 4 million a season.

As for the Knicks, well I'm sure they are going to wait on deciding who to take that spot unjtil after they use their max money. Which leads me to a correction. I suppose you can't take LeBron out of the running in N.Y. Well actually its the other way around, but word is he is intrigued and actually would like to play with Amare and 'Melo. Now Denver has said there is no way they are trading Anthony, and hey shouldn't trade their best player. But should James say he will go to N.Y if 'Melo comes along will put Anthony in a big spot. On the one hand, Anthony could make the most money by signing an extension with Denver, because the new CBA will be in effect after next season, and Carmelo will not get as much as FAs are now. On the other hand he would have an opportunity to play with Amare and Lebron in thr biggest city with the biggest lights.

That's all dependent on what Lebron and other FAs do thiis offseason. And all these are wild speculations, but hey, that's all we got until guys start signing.
 
Huge news coming out of Cleveland. Apparently a sign and trade has been approved by the Raptors that would send Chris Bosh to Cleveland. The exact details aren't known but it would most likely be Varejao and/or JJ Hickson plus Delonte West, maybe Anthony Parker, and a draft pick for Bosh. The only thing that is being waited on is Bosh's approval of the deal.

Toronto would be happy getting a few expiring contracts and clearing off even more cap space then they already will with Bosh leaving. Cleveland would be ecstatic beacuse that would almost guarantee LeBron stays in Cleveland. It's reported he's already leaning that way and this would put him over the top. LeBron and Bosh together would be huge.
 
Huge news coming out of Cleveland. Apparently a sign and trade has been approved by the Raptors that would send Chris Bosh to Cleveland. The exact details aren't known but it would most likely be Varejao and/or JJ Hickson plus Delonte West, maybe Anthony Parker, and a draft pick for Bosh. The only thing that is being waited on is Bosh's approval of the deal.

Toronto would be happy getting a few expiring contracts and clearing off even more cap space then they already will with Bosh leaving. Cleveland would be ecstatic beacuse that would almost guarantee LeBron stays in Cleveland. It's reported he's already leaning that way and this would put him over the top. LeBron and Bosh together would be huge.

This is huge news excpet for one problem- its said that Bosh doesn't want to play in Cleveland. His preferred places are Chicago, Miami or New Jersey. If that's true and those are the only cities he's willing to go in a sign and trade, then this deal is a big nothing. Would it be smart for Cleveland/Toronto/Bosh? Absolutely. Bosh would get to play with Lebron and get max money. Toronto would get something in return for Bosh- more cap space. And Cleveland would all but lock up LeBron. But Bosh needs to agree on the deal. Big, who would Cleveland have on their roster if this trade was done that would help this team? I don't really think they would have much of a team. But then again Bosh and James together could be all they really need. Interesting to see what Bosh's next move will be.
 
This is huge news excpet for one problem- its said that Bosh doesn't want to play in Cleveland. His preferred places are Chicago, Miami or New Jersey. If that's true and those are the only cities he's willing to go in a sign and trade, then this deal is a big nothing. Would it be smart for Cleveland/Toronto/Bosh? Absolutely. Bosh would get to play with Lebron and get max money. Toronto would get something in return for Bosh- more cap space. And Cleveland would all but lock up LeBron. But Bosh needs to agree on the deal. Big, who would Cleveland have on their roster if this trade was done that would help this team? I don't really think they would have much of a team. But then again Bosh and James together could be all they really need. Interesting to see what Bosh's next move will be.

Bosh has said he prefers a big market but the other two things he wanted were to play with LeBron and to get the extra 29 million dollars he could get from a sign and trade rather then just signing somewhere else. I think he will end up taking this deal.

As far as the Cavs roster goes they'd still have Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison in the starting line up with LeBron and Bosh plus Mike Miller has said he would take a smaller contract to play in Cleveland because he is close with both Jamison and LeBron. A starting five of Williams, Miller, LeBron, Jamison and Bosh would be ridiculous. The bench would be a little thin but they'd still have guys like Daniel Gibson, Zydrunas, Jamario Moon, Leon Powe, and Sebastion Telfair
 
Bosh to Clevland is by far the best thing that happens to the Cavs. It means LeBron stays and they have an even better roster than last year. When you have 2 superstar in their primes, you're going to be in good shape. Mo is a good enough 3rd option and they could definetly sign another piece, such as Miller, for the midlevel exception. And as seen with Boston a few years ago, you can always piece together a competent bench even if you don't have the cash.
 
Bosh has said he prefers a big market but the other two things he wanted were to play with LeBron and to get the extra 29 million dollars he could get from a sign and trade rather then just signing somewhere else. I think he will end up taking this deal.

As far as the Cavs roster goes they'd still have Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison in the starting line up with LeBron and Bosh plus Mike Miller has said he would take a smaller contract to play in Cleveland because he is close with both Jamison and LeBron. A starting five of Williams, Miller, LeBron, Jamison and Bosh would be ridiculous. The bench would be a little thin but they'd still have guys like Daniel Gibson, Zydrunas, Jamario Moon, Leon Powe, and Sebastion Telfair

Oh I agree completely that Bosh should take the deal. Max money and play with LeBron? No way you can or shoulld turn that down.

As for the starting lineup, I agree again with you that that would be a crazy 5. I would be too concerned with the bench, as they still would have a decent 2nd team. With a team like that, they are in contention for a title and likely a favorite with the Lakers to win a title.

On the radio today there was a big discussion about who would you rather play with- Bosh or Stoudemire? There was back and forth about how Amare only got his numbers from playing in Mike's system and had that microfracture surgery so not him. Other were saying that Bosh is small center trying to play PF and really isn't as good of a player as he seems. And blah blah blah. I'm not going to sit and talk about what thwy said but I'm curious to see what everyone else thinks. (Well Big Sexy and Dissary, since we are the only ones really posting and read posts in here regularly I guess its for you guys mostly).

If you were a free agent, a Wade or James, which guy would you rather play with-Bosh or Stoudemire?
 
Bosh, easily. Amare is a scorer, and that's basically it. Doesn't rebound and doesn't play any defense at all. Bosh isn't a really a great rebounder or defender, but he's more than competent. He's be a great 4 in Clevland if they're able to keep Varejo to play the 5. He's also is someone who you can dump the ball to in the low post and get a bucket more so than Amare.
 
If you were a free agent, a Wade or James, which guy would you rather play with-Bosh or Stoudemire?

I like both guys but I'd much rather play with Bosh. He has a better all around offensive game, he's a much better defender and rebounder, and he has put up equal numbers with less talent around him. Stoudemire has had Steve Nash getting him the ball. Bosh has had guys like Jarret Jack, Jose Calderon, and TJ Ford.
 
I agree with both of you guys and would rather have Bosh as a teamate than Stoudemire. Bosh as has been said is a much better defender than Stoudemire. And Big Sexy mentioned something that nobody has really talked about-and that's the fact he had Nash passing him the ball. Now he has in New York Chris Duh...wait he's not there. Nash was a huge reason Studemire was as good as he was. I look for his number to go down now that he doesn't have Nash. So yea got to take Bosh.

Seeing as how I'm in a basketball mood, I'm going to try to continue some basketball discussion. Something else I'm curious about what your guys' take is on Carmelo and what he's going to do. He's not a free agent this year but with Amare already talking about trying to recruit Melo to New York do you think he bites? His options- sign an extension with Denver for 3 years and $65 million or become a free agent next year and sign with another team, like New York to play with Stoudemire. The risk with that is with a new CBA after next season, Anthony will not make nearly as much as the free agents are/will make this offseason. To make the most money, he needs to sign that extension.

Ill give my opinion first this time. He would be a fool to pass up that kind of money. He's not going to make anywhere near that kind of money next year and I don't believe playing with Stoudemire is going to be all that he (Stoudemire) makes it seem. I know Amare wants to bring some big name(s) with him to New York. But if I'm Carmelo, I don't pass up the money.

I know this seems like an easy answer, but still ask anyways. What should/will Anthony do?
 
Melo should and most likely will stay in Denver. They are still one of the top teams in the West and he isn't going to get better money in another place. The only other big name I could see going to New York in the next year or two is Tony Parker. He really wants to play in New York and he would thrive in D'Antoni's system.
 
The one drawback for Bosh though, he hasn't won anything at all. Couldn't even make the playoffs last year in a really weak conference, although he was hurt at the end of the season and had a woeful supporting cast. Of course, he won't have to worry about that as the the number 2 guy, which is what he'll likely be wherever he goes. Just something to think about.

I don't see Carmelo resigning, although it is a big risk to leave all that money on the table. Pretty sure he wants out of Denver, eventually at least. It doesn't look like they're going to trade him, so he'll be the number one guy next summer. The Knicks will definetly make a big push for him and a threesome of Amare, Carmelo and either Parker/Ellis (who they could trade Lee for) wouldn't be horrible.

However, New Jersey will definetly be in the discussion as well. Pretty sure he won't be going back to Denver though.
 
The one drawback for Bosh though, he hasn't won anything at all. Couldn't even make the playoffs last year in a really weak conference, although he was hurt at the end of the season and had a woeful supporting cast. Of course, he won't have to worry about that as the the number 2 guy, which is what he'll likely be wherever he goes. Just something to think about.

I don't see Carmelo resigning, although it is a big risk to leave all that money on the table. Pretty sure he wants out of Denver, eventually at least. It doesn't look like they're going to trade him, so he'll be the number one guy next summer. The Knicks will definetly make a big push for him and a threesome of Amare, Carmelo and either Parker/Ellis (who they could trade Lee for) wouldn't be horrible.

However, New Jersey will definetly be in the discussion as well. Pretty sure he won't be going back to Denver though.

I find this interesting. I think he would like to leave Denver, I just don't think he's going to leave that much money to pair up with Amare. If he were a free agent this year, Anthony would be gone in a heartbeat. But I just can't see that happening now. But it would be wild to see that happen next year with the changes that will be made.

You mentioned a trade that's been getting a lot of talk out here in the Bay, and that's the trade of Monte Ellis for David Lee. About half of Warrior fans want to see this trade happen while the other half would hate it. There are those that feel that Ellis is a much better player than Lee , while others think that Elis is a injury-prone, selfish ball hog. With Curry running the point, they really don't need Ellis. They could seriously use Lee's 20 and 12 a night with 3 assists. And he could get that running in Nelson's open system. Time will tell if Nelson is open to making such a trade.
 
Bosh and Wade to Miami, apparently. Not that's it's all that suprising news. They have to bring in some half decent role players to flank them now as they truly have no one else on their roster, other than Beasley and Chalmers. Still, they're certainly going to be good enough to be a top 4 team at the very least, with 2 of the top 10 players in the league.

LeBron has his one hour spectacular tomorrow night, likely to end with him staying in Clevland. Really don't see him leaving at this point.
 
Big news- Chris Bosh has decided to sign with the Miami Heat. Its not known whether this wiill be thru a sign and trade or a straight signing but he has chosen Miami. It was reported that the Raptors were willing to do a sign and trade with Cleveland, but Bosh didn't want to play in Cleveland. And now he has signed up to play with Wade.

This signing will cause a huge ripple effect, the most damage going to the Cavs. Any chance they had of signing him went with Bosh over to Miami. That was the one big move they could have made. If Lebron chooses to stay in Cleveland with basically the same team here is what he would have to contend with

Boston-Pierce, Garnett, Randog
Orlando-Howargd, Nelson, Carter
Miami-Wade, Bosh, Beasley
Chicago-Rose, Noah, Bozzer, Allen

That Chicago team is what I think they will do if they don't get LeBron. And they add in a young Atlanta team and now Cleveland and LeBron are having to fight 4 to 5 teams. If LeBron wants to win a title he's not going to get it in Cleveland. So forget that. He's either going to Miami or Chicago with a slim chance of going to New York. So this Bosh move is huge and will have a big ripple effect for the rest of the NBA, unfortunately not good effect for the Cavs.
 
Bosh and Wade to Miami, apparently. Not that's it's all that suprising news. They have to bring in some half decent role players to flank them now as they truly have no one else on their roster, other than Beasley and Chalmers. Still, they're certainly going to be good enough to be a top 4 team at the very least, with 2 of the top 10 players in the league.

LeBron has his one hour spectacular tomorrow night, likely to end with him staying in Clevland. Really don't see him leaving at this point.

How can you still see James in Cleveland? What can they offer him that would entice him to stay now? Money? He could sign in Miami and not have any state tax. And I seriously doubt it will be hard for him to make up whatever money he loses by signing elsewhere. Championships? There are going to be 3 to 4 teams that will be better than his. There is absolutley nothing that Cleveland can give him. They know that. So I'm curious as to why you think he's still going to stay
 
I've heard from different NBA analysts that they think LeBron will sign with the Heat after seeing both Wade and Bosh land there. It is possible to get LeBron signed to a max under the cap, but they have to get rid of Beasley. This is where Toronto comes in. We don't know if Bosh is signing outright or through a sign-and-trade, but we do know that Toronto wasn't interested in the Heat's package for Bosh. It's possible Toronto bites the bullet and takes Beasley in a S&T which opens the door wide open for LeBron.

I will say this though, I believe LeBron wants and needs to be the main guy on any team he chooses. In Miami, he won't be the number one guy. Cleveland still has a chance at LeBron and here's why: hometown, hero, community, #1 guy. There isn't enough ball in Miami for all 3 guys. I think there's only 2 teams in the hunt right now, Knicks and Cavaliers.
 
I've heard from different NBA analysts that they think LeBron will sign with the Heat after seeing both Wade and Bosh land there. It is possible to get LeBron signed to a max under the cap, but they have to get rid of Beasley. This is where Toronto comes in. We don't know if Bosh is signing outright or through a sign-and-trade, but we do know that Toronto wasn't interested in the Heat's package for Bosh. It's possible Toronto bites the bullet and takes Beasley in a S&T which opens the door wide open for LeBron.

I will say this though, I believe LeBron wants and needs to be the main guy on any team he chooses. In Miami, he won't be the number one guy. Cleveland still has a chance at LeBron and here's why: hometown, hero, community, #1 guy. There isn't enough ball in Miami for all 3 guys. I think there's only 2 teams in the hunt right now, Knicks and Cavaliers.

LeBron James to Miami is still very possible, however I don't think that would be the best choice for him to make. If LeBron were to sign with Miami that would make Skip Bayless's day and prove he's point about LeBron needing a Batman (D-Wade) to compliment his Robin (LeBron James). And if they do win a title together then critices will say he needed D-Wade to win a championship for him. And then on top of that I don't think it would work out that great anyway because you have to massive ego's on one team. I think the best thing for LeBron to do is to either sign back with Cleveland and for Cleveland to try and work out some kind of S & T to get back Carlos Boozer or try and going after another player. New York would be a nice fit I think LeBron and Stoudemire could work but they would definetly need to make another trade to get someone like a Tony parker, Gilbert Arenas, Monta Ellis, or even a Steve Nash. But in all honestly I think New Jersey would be a better fit for him. I know some people may laugh at me for saying that but regardless of how terrible the Nets were last year they still have a very talented team. An all star in Devin Harris, a future all star in Brook Lopez, Terrence Williams who's a nice athletic player, and a top 5 rookie in Derrick Favors. Add LeBron James and they can be a playoff team this year, sure they won't be instant contenders for the NBA Finals but they will be nice for the future.
 
I know jack shit about basketball, and I don't watch – hell, I don't even know who LeBron James is, I just see his name a lot – but I figured this was worth passing along...

Not sure how many Knicks fans there are here, but I've got a friend who works with MSG (who handle both the Knicks and Rangers), and there's a huge buzz going around right now that the Knicks just got (or will get very soon) LeBron James, likely for a contract similar to the max-contract given to Amar'e Stoudemire.
 
Ok so a lot of buzz now with what LeBron is going to do. And I made a mistake when saying New York was out of the running. They may in fact be the favorites along with Miami. A scenario that didn't think of was LeBron teaming with Stoudemire this year and having Carmelo Anthony join them next year as a free agent. It would give LeBron the keys to New York ,being the main man, and have two big superstars with him as well. I wouldn't be surprised to hear James saying that he's headed to New York. In fact I would only be surprised if I heard him say he's headed back to the Cavs.
 
Some news to report. Carlos Boozer has agreed to a 5 year $80 million deal with the Bulls. I believe its a move that the Bulls think can either attract James or that they feel they are no longer in the running for him. Either way, I mentioned earlier that this was a possiblity and just about everyone thought it was going to happen. I wouldn't be surprised if they went out and tried to get Allen now.

And Kevin Durant quietly signed a 5 year $86 million extension with the Thunder. No press confrence, no 1 hour special. This is why I love this kid. He quietly takes care of his business, no big ego, look at me attitude. This move may have made his my 2nd favorite player behind Kobe. The Thunder wanted to lock him up and Durant wanted to be there so this worked out perfectly. They have a great young team and have a bright future ahead with Durant leading this team.
 

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