Makaveli31
Championship Contender
Sorry it's true. There are intangibles you can't read about or see. If you don't understand that it's too bad.
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Sorry it's true. There are intangibles you can't read about or see. If you don't understand that it's too bad.
klunderbunker
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Makaveli31
Championship Contender
You can pout all you want.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
And you can be a self-righteous prick all you want. It doesn't change the fact that "you weren't there so you don't know what you're talking about" is nonsense. If that's true, there's no point in any history class, science class, film discussion or really anything else for that matter as none of us were there when these things happened.
But hey, I'm sure the 60,000+ matches I've seen, 20+ books I've written and career I've built for myself watching wrestling means nothing because I wasn't there that night in Toronto when Hogan lost to the One Man Gang via countout right?
But hey, I'm sure the 60,000+ matches I've seen, 20+ books I've written and career I've built for myself watching wrestling means nothing because I wasn't there that night in Toronto when Hogan lost to the One Man Gang via countout right?
enviousdominous
Behold my diction
Not trying to take sides here, but I'm pretty sure that KB was around during the era in question. I think most of us were as a matter of fact.
@smarkmouth
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That should put a kibosh on the elitism, though I suspect it won't.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
True I was but I did watch a pay per view or two on tape instead of live. Now given that BEING THERE RIGHT THEN is the only thing that matters to being a wrestling fan, I really don't think I can consider myself much of an expert any more. Like, I can't even saw I saw the Royal Rumble this year as I paused it to go grab food, meaning the moment had just passed me by. That three minute stretch where I was in the kitchen has cost me my entire fandom. What shall I do now?
Spidey Revivey
Porn is okay here long as it ain't dudes.
This debate is silly.
Let's talk about how Eternal Champ believed in Pizzagate. That was neat.
Let's talk about how Eternal Champ believed in Pizzagate. That was neat.
Makaveli31
Championship Contender
You're a fucking idiot. I never said that. You're fucking quoting me on shit I didn't say. I said there are certain aspects of an argument that one CANE use by saying "I was there", I "experienced it" let me use my KNOWLEDGE on the subject to EDUCATE you. If I were to debate someone on the American Revolution of course we weren't there you MORON but if someone were to magically arise from the grave (who was around during the Revolution) and say "No, you are wrong. THIS is what happened and WHY it happened. I would SHUT UP and LISTEN. There are certain INTANGIBLES that a history book can't tell is you FUCKING IDIOT. That is why when discussing the Vietnam War LISTEN to vets who WERE THERE. I soak up their knowledge because I WASN'T THERE. So I listen and learn. You are a fucking moron beyond belief.
Makaveli31
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AaaaaaND you just made my point.
Makaveli31
Championship Contender
When did I ever say he was or wasn't? Fool
Spidey Revivey
Porn is okay here long as it ain't dudes.
You're being silly. This "you had to be there to understand" mentality is silly.
Stone Cold Tea
Getting Noticed By Management
I think if you're there it actually skews your view as you'll be bias. WWE Network is all the knowledge I need.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
Allow me to quote myself from earlier. Hang on. I want to make sure I said this right.
YO KB!
KB: "What?"
WHAT DID YOU SAY TO THIS SCHNOOK EARLIER?
KB: "No!"
Come on man! Tell me! I need to know.
KB: "NO!"
Don't make me come over there!
KB: "I SAID NO! Actually I can't get that mad at you. I mean, you weren't there so you can't understand any of this."
klunderbunker
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Given that you haven't made one yet, allow me to try one of my own points:
Boy you're kind of dumb.
Makaveli31
Championship Contender
God....you're a MORON. I'm not talking about ONE particular match. I never said it meant nothing either. Again. You are confused. You can be a wrestling historian all you want. I might even accept some of your viewpoints BUT I'm referring to people who say someone was not this or someone was not that when HISTORY proves them wrong. It's all conjecture and opinion but I respect the viewpoint of someone who was there MORE than someone who read it in a book. Sorry that's just the way it is.
Makaveli31
Championship Contender
I did. It's not my fault you are too stupid too understand it.
Makaveli31
Championship Contender
Again, you are quoting something I never wrote. You are totally missing my point.
Makaveli31
Championship Contender
It might or might not. That's what debate is for.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
Or someone who wrote a book apparently. Or someone who actually went out of their way to learn something by going back and watching it.
No no, you would rather sit on your high and mighty throne (where cents are spelled "sense" it seems) and look down your nose at anyone younger than you because they could never possibly know something that you can't. Enjoy your precious old school thoughts and praise the name of older wrestling. You and Eternal Nitwit can write threads about four minute Nitro matches while the rest of us are over here in the real world where we know that all you have is a bunch of hot air and ridiculous nonsense spewing out of your fingers.
Makaveli31
Championship Contender
I never said I would not respect your opinions. BUT if you are using WWE network as a reference vs someone who was actually living it live I think would TEND to side with the person who was there over the person who watched on the network. I would not totally dismiss it though. Same as I would tend to give more credence to the viewpoint of someone who went to war lived the war vs someone who read it in a book.
Stone Cold Tea
Getting Noticed By Management
But you haven't debated it. You stated it as stone cold fact.
Stone Cold Tea
Getting Noticed By Management
Wrestling isn't war. You can watch wrestling in T.V. I have yet to have a subscription to Royal Navy Network.
therockiswwf
The voice of Michael Cole's headset
So like can I say Hitler was a bad person or would I have to have been alive back then to say it?
Point is, you can learn about history. You don't have to be there to know everything. I wasn't watching during the Montreal Screwjob but I know a lot about it.
Point is, you can learn about history. You don't have to be there to know everything. I wasn't watching during the Montreal Screwjob but I know a lot about it.
Spidey Revivey
Porn is okay here long as it ain't dudes.
This is a "you had to be there to understand" mentality. It's subjective, not objective. I could go up to an old Nam veteran who is chock full of dementia and PTSD who will tell me how epic the war was, and how important it was to the country at the time, or I could read and watch the documentaries college historians poured their time into that showed the exact opposite with no trace of bias anywhere.
A romanticized version of events or the objective account of said events.
Guess which one is more tangible, Makaveli.
EDIT: Oh and wrestling is probably the easiest thing to watch for yourself, because we have it taped and all. It's on record. There's barely any bias to it, unless of course you're using Golden Age reasoning. Then yeah, the headlocks that lasted twenty minutes or so will seem pretty awesome back when you were new to the product.
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