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The Holy One
What's really good?
Right.
Oh Killjoy, I forget your oblivious to the truth sometimes.
Laughable. Clearly you don't keep count of how many people come up from development and flop in no time.
Well they have Killjoy. Unless ADR, Barrett, Sheamus, Bourne, Ziggler, Swagger, Kofi, DCR, the original members of Nexus and Evan Bourne haven't been hits. Most of the misses of FCW were due to the people being called up too soon, which kind of screws them over to start with.
The Holy One
What's really good?
I do which is why I said the hits outweighs the misses. The impacts of hits greatly overshadow the failure of the misses.
Tell that to NXT.
The Holy One
What's really good?
I count as hits: Sheamus, Barrett, Gabriel, Del Rio, McIntyre, Bryan (yes he counts), Ziggler, Swagger, Rhodes, Bourne, Kingston, and Natalya
Misses: Escobar, Slater, Otunga, Young, Kaval, Croft, and the Usos
Still in the air: Sheffield, McGuillicutty, Harris, Jackson, Riley, Hawkins, Baretta, Reks, Smith, Kidd, Yoshi, and Ryan
Misses: Escobar, Slater, Otunga, Young, Kaval, Croft, and the Usos
Still in the air: Sheffield, McGuillicutty, Harris, Jackson, Riley, Hawkins, Baretta, Reks, Smith, Kidd, Yoshi, and Ryan
The same NXT which has taken Wade Barrett from Commentator to Main eventer, and has been the dominant storyline in WWE for the best part of a year? That's allowed 10 guys to be hits. And the ones that weren't hits with (one exception) were called up too early in their development process and often intended to be failures.
The Holy One
What's really good?
Produced the Nexus, one of the most rememberable stables in the past decade, main eventer in Barrett, US champion Bryan, possible names in Gabriel, Sheffield, Riley, Harris, hell even Tarver. That's pretty sucessful whether you disagree or not.
As for NXT itself, it's not like it was going to be big anyway seeing how the show is centered around rookies. It did a pretty good job of turning some of them into stars though. We still haven't seen the impact of all the rookies that have came out of there, yet so let's have this arguement in 2 or 3 years.
The Holy One
What's really good?
And those guys that got over overshadow the guys that didn't.
The Holy One
What's really good?
He's went to FCW and wrestled on there for a couple of months and was a part of NXT. He counts whether it's a technicality or not.
The fact that mediocrity comes out of the "Orton factory" has more to do with the shit that goes in than anything else. When guys with no tallent are signed based on their look then they're going to be coming out shit. When guys who actually have skill besides looking like a wrestler go in, they come out one hell of a lot better.
You can fuck right off with that. I don't care who got over after making it through FCW. The WWE isn't exactly plucking well traveled, ready-for-TV talent from anywhere else, so of course some guys from FCW are getting over. THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES GETTING CALLED TO TV!!! That doesn't prove that FCW is a good thing. It just is.
The guys getting over after coming from FCW say NOTHING about FCW because there's no proper comparison to be made.
Puh-lease. They come out with a WWE contract after going through a mindfield of overt racism and the systematic rooting out of anything that might be distinct about a talent's work.
Rememberable. Pfftt.
No, seriously. The issue is that WWE plucks people out of there and most of the time, it's done to have them generally be directionless for the most part. And if that's not the case, they suck. And if that's not the case, it's NXT. All the Nexus has done is mask the fact that 8 guys suck by glueing them with the one guy that doesn't. Eric Escobar is a perfect example. All that time, they finally pluck him out, they stick him somewhere, it's not clicking right away and in the course of 5 weeks, he went from being Vickie's boyfriend, to feuding with her and being released. You say he sucks? How can you tell? He was on WWE for about a month. Did he even wrestle a full match there?
No, seriously. The issue is that WWE plucks people out of there and most of the time, it's done to have them generally be directionless for the most part. And if that's not the case, they suck. And if that's not the case, it's NXT. All the Nexus has done is mask the fact that 8 guys suck by glueing them with the one guy that doesn't. Eric Escobar is a perfect example. All that time, they finally pluck him out, they stick him somewhere, it's not clicking right away and in the course of 5 weeks, he went from being Vickie's boyfriend, to feuding with her and being released. You say he sucks? How can you tell? He was on WWE for about a month. Did he even wrestle a full match there?
You mean the injured ones and the one that laid off by politics for a bit?
I was actually talking about the guys who went in knowing at least a rudimentary amount of knowledge of how to work like Wade Barrett and Sheamus coming out of FCW being a hell of a lot better than the guys like Jacob Novak and Lucky Cannon who went out like they came in, useless shitheads who have no clue about how to work.
WWE gets out of developmental what they put in. If they're putting in muscleheads who can do shit all but stand around looking muscular, then that's what they get out. If they scout out guys with tallent and an upside, then they get decent, if green guys with plenty of potential. Which is what makes up the core of good guys in FCW at the moment. Sure there are useless guys like Jackson Andrews and the aforementioned guys, but there's also the good ones like Jinder Mahal and Richie Steamboat.
You're forgetting about Justin Gabriel, who is good.
Go look up Richie Steamboat and Jinder Mahal, Killjoy. Richie's fucking good, if spotty to the extent that his matches can be used for drinking games. Mahal's charismatic and will be pushed because he's got the potential to be a massive draw in india (and obviously a foreign heel as he can speak Punjabi as well as English). There are also some other pretty good guys down there who are well worth a watch.
The Holy One
What's really good?
The fact that they came from FCW does says something. FCW's sucess rate is pretty good and these guys prove how relevant the program is. You can't change the fact that they came from FCW and have done great so far. Even with its failures, FCW has done a good job of producing some of the big names in the WWE for the future.
Yes indeed, you can dispute it all you want but the Nexus will still be talked about years from now.
Uh huh, McIntyre, Del Rio, Swagger, Sheamus, Rhodes, Kingston, Ziggler and Bourne would disagree with that. If the WWE just threw them out there for the sake of it, then all of these guys would have been jobless right now. Each one got their respective pushes coming into the company and have done well so far. Talent can't carry you unless you're given the angle to show it.
Math must not be a subject you're familar with Killjoy. B/c I think it would be 7 guys that suck not 8 unless Barrett sucks and doesn't at the same time. Even with 7, you're saying that Bryan and Gabriel suck too which is flat out wrong. Tarver and Sheffield are two guys that can be alright in the future too. Otunga, Young, and Slater I will say suck however.
Yet, that's one failure. Ziggler, Vickie's current boyfriend and FCW Alumni, is the number one contender to the WHC and has a chance to become a main event mainstay for years to come. His sucess greatly outweighs Escobar's failure. Any more examples you want to give, b/c I got more that can match them.
No, it doesn't. FCW GUYS ARE THE ONLY GUYS GETTING THE CALL. SOME GUYS HAVE TO GET PUSHED. THUS, WHENEVER SOMEONE NEW GETS A PUSH, IT'S AN FCW GUY. It's like saying the DMV is really good at providing its services because they have a great rate of success at serving people. WELL NO FUCKING SHIT. IT'S THE ONLY ONE ALLOWED TO PROVIDE THE GOD DAMN SERVICE.
