**MERGED** (OFFICIAL) TNA General Complaint Thread

[Miko]

I am not to keen on Abyss, I honestly thought he was better when he was teaming with Foley, a tag team that they should've made full time in my opinion. So I am inclined to agree that he's the wrong person to push these days.

AJ on the other hand is rather good, I preffered him as a face champion though, rather than being mini Flair, he does look a bit of a fucking goon these days, then again, I rather hope thats the point. As a way to get people to turn on him. Ric Flair hasnt been cool in centuries after all. As far as having no charisma goes Ive gotta disagree, he's not especially hilarious on the mic but his promo's always came across well, and he was good at hyping things, he has that natural charisma of a guy you want to cheer, or possibly boo, he provokes a reaction anyway. Sadly nowadays he just shouts and says "WOO" a lot.

 

[BigDaddysb]

You are probably correct that right now AJ and Abyss will not draw ratings that will cut into the WWE audience. In my opinion that's not what TNA should be doing at this exact moment. They should be laying the ground work to begin to compete with the WWE. To that I think they are doing a good job. They have set their Main Eventers up with those being AJ, Abyss, Joe, The Pope, Angle, Mr. Anderson, and Desmond Wolfe. You have a set of people that TNA has shown can beat each other at any given time. The unpredicatability of who could win any match is a good thing that they have developed.

You're right RVD and Jeff Hardy would probably draw more ratings, but shouldn't the fact that they are on TV draw them ratings? Also is it wise to build your company around Hardy when you aren't sure if he is going to jail or not? And should you build around a wrestler who hasn't wrestled consistently in years?

As far as Abyss ring angle is concerned...this is no where near as bad as when The One Man Gang became Akeem. The ring angle while ridiculous is the same as someone believing in lucky charms. The ring is for him to start believing in himself. I am sure eventually he will not have the ring on, not notice it, do something that he thinks is amazing, and will realize it was him and not the ring. This has been done many times in TV shows and Movies. I agree its not the greatest, but I can assure I can fine 100 angles that are worse.

 

[y2jvaljcasta]

I preety much agree about Abyss,but comparing him to Khali??? COme on that's ridiculous! And Kozlov isnt awful at all..

BUt anyway, I disagree about AJ, he was the biggest name in the company for a while and IMO drew ppl to watch TNA, I know thats why I did!

BUt this fued is kinda silly, why not Styles/ANgle or Styles/RVD, although Im sure we will see that in the future! ANd I like Styles as a heel, it adds to his career in big ways that I dont think we will see until the future, he must be learning alot from Ric Flair, what to do and what not to do lol...

I think ANderson(Kennedy)/ANgle would ahve beenaen a better main event fued. I think using Abyss was really random, HE NEEDS A MAKEOVER!!!!!!!!

Or what about Mick Foley doing a Mankind sort of thing in a fued or team with Abyss? I always felt Abyss was a mix of Mankind/Kane anyway...

 

[Brahma Bull]

as another poster pointed out, most of the guys that you said should get the main event push are getting a huge push. anderson, pope, morgan, hardy, rvd, desmond wolfe, you get the picture. maybe abyss and aj are getting the hogan and flair rub, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT THE BEST MIC WORKERS. the other guys have the charisma and speaking skills to make it. abyss and aj can be huge, but they need help with some legends on the stick to help elevate them to the top.

and one guy that you put up that should get a rub that i can never agree with you and makes your post seem more opinionated than truthful is robert roode. the guy was pushed huge with his whole free agent thing and was even given a rub by jarret at his prime and booker t when he first came to tna and was insanely over. the guy just does not have what it takes to be in the main event. tna has tried many times to make him one of the big guys, but he just cant get over.

why do people always think that people have to go to the main event. beer money inc is one of the best tag teams ever and they alone make tna's tag division more serious than wwe's. it would be a huge mistake to push either one of them as single competitors because time has shown it wont work. would you have split up the road warriors? and how well did it work out when 3d split up? my point entirely.

 

[Low_Ki]

I have to agree with the Abyss thing but AJ lacking charisma?

Lets look back a few years. AJ may not have the most charisma in the wrestling business but I remember one man getting the world title without having an ounce. That man was Chris Benoit. He was simply put, the greatest wrestling technician in the world and that alone was enough for him to get over.

AJ is improving on the stick, and his charisma, although a little untweaked at times is getting there. He will become the total package.

AJ alone has made me a fan of the TNA product. I have been die hard WWE for years and I still am. But I enjoy TNA. A lot of the time, yes I will agree the acting and backstage segments are a little cringe worthy. Abyss' constant screaming compiled with his Hogan 'Friend's Forever' ring does get on my nerves a little. But hey. The wrestling (when they allow it) is there. And sometimes, no scrap that most of the time that is better than what the WWE are putting out right now.

Maybe the time has come to put Abyss on the back burner and allow D'Angelo Dinero to take the reigns. He seems far more able to do the job and far more over with the crowd. Who knoes where TNA will go from here.

 

[Greenlight13]

My post on page 1 said pretty much everything I need or want to say so go check that if you want, but just as a response to some of the things said afterward:

AJ Styles is better than Daniels. He just is. Daniels will admit it to you. If you break it down into every single category Daniels will get some wins over him, most notably mic work. But overall AJ is simply better. He is far more marketable and easier to build around. He's a bigger draw and at the height of both men's popularity AJ's reactions dwarf Daniels'. So no, Daniels doesn't deserve AJ's push.

Someone said monsters are only over for a while and that's why Kane has become a jobber. No. WWE made him a jobber, the crowd didn't. Crowds respond to a very very large man dominating a smaller one. In an industry of faking and pretending it's one of the few believable things. Whenever Kane cleans house the crowd pop. If they brought him out with the mother of all evil faces on him and killed everyone and went bad-ass again the crowd would love it. They just don't care enough about Kane to do so and he's now going down to pretty basic moves when he used to kick out of 3 Tombstones. People enjoy it when Abyss shows flashes of his old self. When he came back in Asylum clothes they were doing a tease of whether he'd return to his old self and people liked it but then they bailed and have made him soft.

A casual audience will fundamentally respond to a giant and though Abyss is only like 6'5" despite what they claim, he's proportionally much larger than almost everyone on the roster and he's always been good at big-man beat-downs so if a WWE fan flicked him on demolishing someone with a Black Hole Slam and standing over them roaring, or carrying his chain around and snarling and not clapping his hands and talking like a child they would enjoy it. I promise you that.

Samoa Joe has had and will continue to have a push. He was given a run as the face of the company for the better part of a year. It didn't work out so great. I love Joe, I think he should have been main event since day one, but the way they did it didn't work so they've had to spent some time re-tooling him and if what we've read about his current storyline is accurate he's going to remain as a top face. He looked pretty good in his mini-program with Styles.

Flair DOES give instant credibility to anyone he stands next to or interacts with. I won't bother going further into the reason this is true, if it isn't obvious to you my explaining won't help.

Foley can draw in a general sense, but I don't think he can as a main event wrestler anymore. Even if he can I'd rather they passed on it. It just wouldn't be right to let him main event considering who is on their roster. If the likes of AJ, Abyss and others don't get their huge pushes now they are never going to get them because of all the big names that have come in. They have to and should reward their originals and they are. That's called being a decent human being.

Beer Money aren't as good as the audience seems to think in my personal opinion, but I guess I'm not seeing what most people are so I'll accept that maybe they need a bigger push, but as I said, they're getting one as far as I can tell.

 

[ramblinroy68]

Is AJ the best mic guy, NO. Does he suck, NO. Look at the next generation in the WWE, John Morrison, Sheamus, Drew McIntyre, Kofi Kingston, and Miz. Only 1 of them is any good on the mic. Miz is really good, but people say he isn't very good in the ring.

I would say AJ is better on the mic and definitely more entertaining than any of them. Currently, John Cena, Batista, and Rey Mysterio are big time players in WWE. Hell, Cena and Batista are headlining wrestlemania. Personally I feel, AJ is more entertaining in promos and in ring action than either of them.

Everybody wants companies to promote the next Shawn Michaels, Ric Flair, or Hulk Hogan. Well the fact is when they were 25 they weren't as good as they were when they were 35. AJ isn't as young as that but he still has time to improve. I think he is getting better everytime I see him.

 

[XgringolocoX]

I agree with thte OP. Aybss is terrible in the spot he's in. i think he has a place, this just aint it.
AJ is a side note at the moment. They're pushing Hogan and Flair. AJ just stands there with a strained smile on his face. He looks like brotha at a clan rally. Which one doesn't belong?
Too much Hogan, Flair, Bishoff, and friends. I absolutely hate how they all say hogan's done more for tna then anyone has done in the past 7 years. Really? Jeff Jarrett doesn't have an issue this that statement? It's completely ******ed. Hogan's done nothing so far. An initial bump in ratings, and that's gone.
Too much Hogan, Flair and friends...

 

[Travaje]

After reading OP's post, I am going to assume that OP never watched TNA back in 2005-2006. AJ and Abyss are both completely different now than they were then, and not in good ways. Had you just started watching TNA, I could see where you're coming from, as both are being booked terribly (but who isn't?)

I could listen to the argument that both are never going to draw the way top tier superstars such as Austin, Rock, Trips, and so on, but had the office kept them the way they used to be, both are solid workers that had pretty good gimmicks that could have added depth to any roster. But of course, the office, thinking that you have to change guys/make them do more because the ratings plateaued (versus keeping their gimmicks intact and giving them time, how long was it back when until Ric Flair won his first NWA title?), fucked that up completely, and now both of them are complete jokes and are well on their way to career suicide.

As far as the question of, if they are not the top guys in the company, then who is? Who are the guys that they should be pushing on top that they aren't? The answer, of course, is nobody. 2-3 years of terrible booking, character development, mismanagement, and poor choices in running the company (like trying to overtake Vince instead of building a solid product, even if you are #2) has led to TNA unable to create anybody close to the level of guys like Austin, which is why TNA blows donkey balls, and they will never succeed as they are, much less put a dent in Vince's business.

TNA sucks.

 

[degenxr1]

When you think of AJ as a heel-you know he is so a babyface--he has never done anything so heinous or mean--and you know he is platonic to his wife--you know that--you feel like technically he is better than the rest; but he seems painfully out of place

Abyss has the character they want and his size makes him an asset---he seems like he could do damage---Kane would still be fresh had they kept the mask on him---but there are very few people who could be king--I watched the Doug Williams match and he seemed like a character--he was not as good as Daniels or Kazarian but has a better look---Alex Shelly is oozing charisma like Evan Bourne but he is smaller than Bourne--but then you have to break up that good team--Lashley had the size but spoke horrible--his match with Cena was very credible--I am not sure who you could make money off in that league who does not seem stale

RVD --Sabu would be worth coming in to help Rob--for money and notoriety sake---I cannot think of anyone who has that polish---Kurt seems heads and tails above the rest--Anderson seems blah---the tall Rob Terry seems akwards but he has that look---this one is so tough I wish I could think what would sell---for old schoolers Nasty's and Dudleys is kinda reminiscent of the 80's NWA matches--and that would be good filler...so Sting/RVD, Nastys-3D, Machine Guns/Generation Me-Sabu/Doug Williams, Kurt/Anderson, Jarrett/Flair-Mick as ref, Beer Money/Morgan Homicide, AJ/AByss...no one else has anything--maybe a Jay Lethal legends match but nothing that is going to make me buy a PPV let alone watch the show the girls have more sparkle than 85% of the guys any takers on this? I would keep Jeff Hardy out--that many drugs through the mail---I dunno I would not be banking on him...

 

[Lancer]

Well, AJ Styles is the World Champion, so you know, they're going to show him a lot during the program.

While I agree with a few posters here that he does seem out of place alongside Flair, it is a lot better than the alternative. If he had remained a face champion, and continued "fighting the odds" every week, he would have drawn more and more comparisons to his WWE counterpart, John Cena. And he would have inevitably been teamed up with Hulk Hogan, the template for Cena. So I think a heel run just made sense for him at this point. He has the ability to pull it off, just give it time.

As far as Abyss goes, a career reboot was desperately needed for him. It was getting old seeing him pulling his hair out of his head, and cry like a little punk, when he is a 350-pound monster. The worst thing they ever did to him was take away James Mitchell as his mouthpiece. Mitchell would talk about the diabolical actions of Abyss, and Abyss would sit in the background, seething with rage and pain. Hogan sees a lot in him, and is doing the next best thing short of bringing back Mitchell: turn Abyss into an uncontrollable monster again.

 

[ForzaItalia]

Okay so first of all ever since I started to watch TNA about 5 months ago I have noticed many storylines in TNA that are identical to the ones that WWE produces. The one that stands out the most is the current storyline between Hulk Hogan and Sting. A preview was posted online stating that it has been nearly over a decade that Hogan and Sting have been in the same ring just like the Vince-Hart storyline. Also who can forget the bootleg Montreal Screwjob. Same with Flair and AJ, WWE a while back had HHH be the mentor for Orton, so AJ might also do the same thing to Flair that ORton did to HHH. Honestly these story lines in TNA are not that bad, but I would like to see more story lines that have never been seen before. What are your thoughts? Is this working for tna?

 

[TheThirdHebner]

The WWF/E just copies most of their storylines from history. As Kevin Nash, there's really only 4 or 5 angles that can be really effective in wrestling, it's just how you present them. There are no original angles. So I think the TNA angles are fine, it jsut depends on the presentation. I like what I saw on Monday.

 

[ABMorales787]

Okay so first of all ever since I started to watch TNA about 5 months ago I have noticed many storylines in TNA that are identical to the ones that WWE produces. The one that stands out the most is the current storyline between Hulk Hogan and Sting. A preview was posted online stating that it has been nearly over a decade that Hogan and Sting have been in the same ring just like the Vince-Hart storyline. Also who can forget the bootleg Montreal Screwjob. Same with Flair and AJ, WWE a while back had HHH be the mentor for Orton, so AJ might also do the same thing to Flair that ORton did to HHH. Honestly these story lines in TNA are not that bad, but I would like to see more story lines that have never been seen before. What are your thoughts? Is this working for tna?

You're comparing Ric Flair/AJ Styles to Orton/HHH. Orton had Evolution. Thats 2 other people you didn't mention. The screwjob imitation was played by AJ Styles as HBK, Hulk Hogan played Undertaker I guess (he was angry about it) and Earl Hebner as himself. I didn't see Sting anywhere in sight for it.

So TNA played the screwjob card. It was what turned AJ heel. It was the purpose of the story. TNA cant rip off WWE storylines if the don't have the exact people to reenact them. Pro wrestling has been around for years. What do you expect them to do if they run out of storylines? They go with whats playing best. The screwjob card hasn't had a good result since Hart/HBK. AJ/Angle actually had a pretty good result. AJ = heel. Wrestling storyline will always repeat themselves because eventually they will run out of fresh ideas.

 

[scorpioking1026]

Okay so first of all ever since I started to watch TNA about 5 months ago I have noticed many storylines in TNA that are identical to the ones that WWE produces. The one that stands out the most is the current storyline between Hulk Hogan and Sting. A preview was posted online stating that it has been nearly over a decade that Hogan and Sting have been in the same ring just like the Vince-Hart storyline. Also who can forget the bootleg Montreal Screwjob. Same with Flair and AJ, WWE a while back had HHH be the mentor for Orton, so AJ might also do the same thing to Flair that ORton did to HHH. Honestly these story lines in TNA are not that bad, but I would like to see more story lines that have never been seen before. What are your thoughts? Is this working for tna?

Why are you comparing Hogan/Sting vs Vince/Hart? Hogan/Sting don't have a real life incident that changed the face of wrestling like Vince/Hart. Sure they haven't been in the ring together for over a decade but the same was true for Hogan/Flair.

HHH/Orton is the same as Flair/Styles? Flair for the most part is going to be strictly a manager for Styles. HHH on the other hand was a competitor who battled Orton for the title after he kicked him out of Evolution. I don't think we are going to see Flair vs Styles for the TNA title at all. Even if TNA decides to make a group of Flair, Styles, Wolfe, and Sting, you can't call it a rip off of Evolution. WWE was the not the first organization to create stables. Actually that group would be more a ripoff of TNA's own idea, MEM, only this time adding younger guys.

As for the "screwjob", yeah we have seen this replayed a thousand times, mostly by WWE. I wasn't a big fan of it but it did serve its purpose, it helped cement AJ as a heel, create the power struggle between Flair and Hogan, and create tension between Hogan and Angle. Plus there is Earl. We don't know if he will end up screwing Hogan over again in the future or not. Or even Flair and Styles. So at least TNA didn't do this just for the sake of doing it, something has come out of it, so yeah, it was effective.

 

[Lancer]

Well oh my goodness. You mean TNA isn't making up their own, original, brand new storylines every week !!?? I am appalled at this accusation.

Seriously though, as ThirdHebner has stated already in other words, storylines are often repeated in professional wrestling. That is also a fact in nearly every other entertainment medium available. It is going to happen at some point or another, where one competitor borrows themes from another. Remember when WWE had the "Light Heavyweight" division to counter WCW's cruiserweights, headed by the incomparable Taka Michinoku? But they're blameless, you know.

 

[Suneeboy]

I think what a lot of people need to do nowadays, especially in light of the Monday Night Wars starting up again, is give themselves a THOROUGH wrestling history lesson. Go on Youtube, Wikipedia, and just browse Google to get old shows, PPV's, and televised events. Look up AWA, NWA, WCW, ECW, WWE (When they were WWF), Midwest, and anything else you can find when a lot of the legends, vets, and hall of famers were in their prime. The WWE is not the only wrestling promotion that has ever existed and they did not create wrestling.

I guess them going unopposed in the mainstream for so many years has created a new crop of fans who just don't know shit anymore.

Wrestling angles are "copied" all the time, but in all seriousness there are only a couple of angles. It's all about who's involved and how its acted out that makes it feel "different" and "fresh".

 

[TnaIsGaBage420]

To the person that said there are only 4-5 storylines in wrestling,due explain please.I was watching the God given Product that is Perfect in EVERY way I.E. The W W FREAKIN E,(Joking)I knew monday being the official start in the monday night wars part 2,i switch over to TNA,what do i see?...Dubya..Cee..Dubya....All over again.WHy? Because of Bischoff,flair,hogan,kevin nash,hall,pac,etc etc.Point being,if history shall repeat itself,WCW was a sinking ship..TNA is a Ship that never got out to sea because the captain did'nt have arms to stear the ship properly.TNA's Ratings were shit before hogan/flair/hardy/rvd and will continue to be.Its all about $$$$$$$ you fans think "Oh these guys are going againts mcmahon yadda yadda yadda cause righteousness,yadda yadda revenge" Bullshit,some of the performers yes i agree are doing that.But veterans who were relaxing getting burnt out thier mind(RVD) and taking insane amounts of somas (Hardy) are in it for the Moulah...No fabulous here..Juse JOEY..>FREAKIN...DICE

 

[Ubiquitous]

Honestly, even though I don't agree that any of the examples you gave were exact rip offs of one another, there's only so much stuff you can do before angles start seeming similar. I would like to see you come up with storylines that are always fresh and completely new and not reminiscent of any other storyline from any other wrestling company ever in the history of wrestling consistantly.

 

[mikeyboy]

as hebner stated wwe borrows from ther old story lines, tna is fine.there are only so many places you can go with out it getting to corny. so i dont mind either of them borrowing from the past as long as there are no more shockmasters or red roosters!

 

[y2jvaljcasta]

so i think comparing Hart/McMahon to Hogan/Sting is not a good example...because it is true that Hogan/Sting havent been in the same ring inover 10 years! SO they arent stealing anything its what happened

ANd the Orton/Triple H example isnt good enough either, because it was a faction not a one on one mentorship

 

[SirSqueak]

look kids. there are new angles you can do but wwe and tna are the same. the only difference is that tna DOES use their younger stars. i think thats where wwe has lost its mojo. they have countless superstars that are just not used to there full potential. Shelton Benjamin is a perfect example. and charlie haas. and helms. I wish they took NXT and made it wwe's indy circuit almost. have younger guys trying to make it in the biz wrestle and see who the fans like. bc anyone who calls themselves a wrestling fan should watch indy wrestling

 

[scorpioking1026]

To the person that said there are only 4-5 storylines in wrestling,due explain please.I was watching the God given Product that is Perfect in EVERY way I.E. The W W FREAKIN E,(Joking)I knew monday being the official start in the monday night wars part 2,i switch over to TNA,what do i see?...Dubya..Cee..Dubya....All over again.WHy? Because of Bischoff,flair,hogan,kevin nash,hall,pac,etc etc.Point being,if history shall repeat itself,WCW was a sinking ship..TNA is a Ship that never got out to sea because the captain did'nt have arms to stear the ship properly.TNA's Ratings were shit before hogan/flair/hardy/rvd and will continue to be.Its all about $$$$$$$ you fans think "Oh these guys are going againts mcmahon yadda yadda yadda cause righteousness,yadda yadda revenge" Bullshit,some of the performers yes i agree are doing that.But veterans who were relaxing getting burnt out thier mind(RVD) and taking insane amounts of somas (Hardy) are in it for the Moulah...No fabulous here..Juse JOEY..>FREAKIN...DICE

There is one HUGE difference between TNA and WCW(at least one that doesn't get mentioned enough)....

WCW At one time they had the likes of Jericho, Guerreo Bennoit, Malenko, and Mysterio, yet never really seemed to push them outside of the cruiserweight division. In the end, the old vets were the ones in the ME not to mention Goldberg. These were the guys who should've been pushed all along. Hell, the NWO's whole "invasion" angel would have been so much better if they were recruiting WCW's future instead of guys like Scott Norton and Buff Bagwell.

TNA The core guys of TNA, AJ, Joe, Daniels have had success in the X-Division and also showcased in the ME. They are developing their stars insted of typecasting them like WCW. Another thing people have to consider too is take a good long look at the wrestlers who have jumped ship in the recent years. Who left WWE to join TNA? Angle, Anderson, Pope, Foley, Hardy, Moore. Now who has left TNA for WWE? Christian, Gail Kim, Goldust, and I know there was someone else, big muscular African-American but I forget his name anyways the point being is that so far TNA has done a great job keeping their stars while WWE is constantly dropping people who should be pushed as stars. Until TNA starts losing more stars to WWE, don't compare them to WCW cuz that was when WCW started to go down hill.

 

[WWEWrestleFest]

I think what a lot of people need to do nowadays, especially in light of the Monday Night Wars starting up again, is give themselves a THOROUGH wrestling history lesson. Go on Youtube, Wikipedia, and just browse Google to get old shows, PPV's, and televised events. Look up AWA, NWA, WCW, ECW, WWE (When they were WWF), Midwest, and anything else you can find when a lot of the legends, vets, and hall of famers were in their prime. The WWE is not the only wrestling promotion that has ever existed and they did not create wrestling.

I guess them going unopposed in the mainstream for so many years has created a new crop of fans who just don't know shit anymore.

Wrestling angles are "copied" all the time, but in all seriousness there are only a couple of angles. It's all about who's involved and how its acted out that makes it feel "different" and "fresh".

agree so much with you, man. it's crazy, when i was a kid, i was a wwf fan, but when we'd get awa or nwa/wcw on tv, i'd watch them just 'cause i loved wrestling. and then in the late 90's when i was a teen, i was watching raw and nitro every monday, and we didn't 'get ecw here, but i'd look it up on the internet (and back in those days, there was no youtube or justintv.. videos were hard to watch).

kids today, with the resources of the internet and cheap dvd's, and yet they have no sense of history. and i feel like it's only in wrestling, too. younger basketball fans know about bird/magic. younger football fans know about joe montana. younger hockey fans know about grezkey. but a lot of younger wrestling fans are freaking clueless. they think vince is a genius for creating wrestlemania *coughnwastarcadecough* hulkamania *coughawacough* and attitude *coughwcw-nwo/ecwcough*

 

[WWEWrestleFest]

To the person that said there are only 4-5 storylines in wrestling,due explain please.I was watching the God given Product that is Perfect in EVERY way I.E. The W W FREAKIN E,(Joking)I knew monday being the official start in the monday night wars part 2,i switch over to TNA,what do i see?...Dubya..Cee..Dubya....All over again.WHy? Because of Bischoff,flair,hogan,kevin nash,hall,pac,etc etc.Point being,if history shall repeat itself,WCW was a sinking ship..TNA is a Ship that never got out to sea because the captain did'nt have arms to stear the ship properly.TNA's Ratings were shit before hogan/flair/hardy/rvd and will continue to be.Its all about $$$$$$$ you fans think "Oh these guys are going againts mcmahon yadda yadda yadda cause righteousness,yadda yadda revenge" Bullshit,some of the performers yes i agree are doing that.But veterans who were relaxing getting burnt out thier mind(RVD) and taking insane amounts of somas (Hardy) are in it for the Moulah...No fabulous here..Juse JOEY..>FREAKIN...DICE

you see dubya cee dubya, huh? do you also see dubya cee dubya when you watch wwe? because big show (giant), chavo guerrero, william regal, chris jericho, goldust (dustin rhodes), rey mysterio.. they were all wrasslin on dubya cee dubya monday nitro.