{Merged} Kobashi / Luther Aftermath Thread

[klunderbunker]

What does this even mean? Percentage-wise, wrestling is more popular in the first country than in the last, in your example. Let me actually retract my statement about Japan's population, as it's only a little over 40 percent of the US' population. Still, if you have just as many people in Japan going to wrestling shows as in the US (numbers don't lie; there is proof that this was the case throughout the 80s, 90s, and first-half of the 00s), then this means that that a greater percentage of the population in Japan enjoys wrestling.

Yes and no. One thing you have to keep in mind: people that don't go to live events. For example, a few years ago TNA came to a town about 30 minutes from my house. It was 50 dollars for the cheapest seat in the house. I wouldn't pay that much to go to it, yet I still watch the show on TV. Now don't get me wrong: on a regular basis, live event attendance in Japan is indeed likely bigger, but that doesn't mean more people watch it overall, which was my point with the 500,000 thing. Also, that's just in America. How many countries get WWE programming and how many get any other individual promotion? I would assume Japanese fans watch WWE as well (certainly could be wrong and if I am then I am), but I know very few American fans that watch Puro, as is evidenced here if nothing else.

 

[X]

Japan has no interest in the WWE KB. Like, at all. It's why the WWE NEVER tours there.

 

[klunderbunker]

Good thing this isn't a "Who beat Taker in a HIAC with the help of Kane?" tournament then

You're right. It's a who do you think would win tournament. I think Shawn would win and apparently so do more people that voted but that's not good enough for you so you're whining like a baby over it.

 

[klunderbunker]

Japan has no interest in the WWE KB. Like, at all. It's why the WWE NEVER tours there.

So it has nothing to do with Vince getting fucked over by two of the major companies over there if I remember correctly?

 

[X]

You're right. It's a who do you think would win tournament. I think Shawn would win and apparently so do more people that voted but that's not good enough for you so you're whining like a baby over it.

How am I whining like a baby KB? You came into this thread and wanted to discuss the match up, and that's simply all I'm doing. YOU started this conversation, not me.

But I guess providing detailed reasons for why Kobashi should have won is now considered whining like a baby. Gotcha. Fuck it, why even debate anymore? Just hand the entire tournament to the Americans. Not like this is a wrestling forum intended for wrestling discussion. Silly me. How about I go start a thread on boulders?

 

[X]

So it has nothing to do with Vince getting fucked over by two of the major companies over there if I remember correctly?

Lol, how was Vince fucked over by AJPW or NJPW? Was it when they were letting Hogan go over everyone and their mother in Japan?

 

[klunderbunker]

Wait, what's this?

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Why, it looks like, WWE, in JAPAN!

 

[klunderbunker]

Lol, how was Vince fucked over by AJPW or NJPW?

There wasn't any sarcasm in there actually. I thought I remembered reading or hearing about some business deal going bad between the two companies.

 

[X]

Wait, what's this?

[youtube]UYBIr2_LLVQ[/youtube]

Why, it looks like, WWE, in JAPAN!

Lol, yes, one of the rare, rare trips there. They do not tour Japan even 1/20th as much as they do Europe and South America.

Also, almost every time the WWE DOES go to Japan, it's an interpromotional event involving Japanese wrestlers.

 

[klunderbunker]

How am I whining like a baby KB? You came into this thread and wanted to discuss the match up, and that's simply all I'm doing. YOU started this conversation, not me.

But I guess providing detailed reasons for why Kobashi should have won is now considered whining like a baby. Gotcha. Fuck it, why even debate anymore? Just hand the entire tournament to the Americans. Not like this is a wrestling forum intended for wrestling discussion. Silly me. How about I go start a thread on boulders?

Yeah and then you/Tdigle moaned and complained about how it should have been Kobashi etc and asked for an argument over why Shawn should win it and I gave you one. You didn't agree with it, I didn't agree with your reason why Kobashi should win, but apparently according to the two of you, it's because we don't know what we're talking about.

 

[klunderbunker]

Lol, yes, one of the rare, rare trips there. They do not tour Japan even 1/20th as much as they do Europe and South America.

Also, almost every time the WWE DOES go to Japan, it's an interpromotional event involving Japanese wrestlers.

Still, they're there, so there is indeed some interest.

 

[Cena's Little Helper]

Oh, I'm not denying that WWE has more international exposure than any other wrestling company. But, if we're talking about popularity, this still leaves open the question of whether or not Michaels was able to capitalize on this exposure. If we were to compare these two in dollar terms, the only area where Michaels would beat Kobashi is in international revenues. But, if we compare Michaels' prime to that of Kobashi and give them each a monetary value, I'm confident that Kobashi's would be greater than Michaels', even with the additional international revenue.

 

[klunderbunker]

Oh, I'm not denying that WWE has more international exposure than any other wrestling company. But, if we're talking about popularity, this still leaves open the question of whether or not Michaels was able to capitalize on this exposure. If we were to compare these two in dollar terms, the only area where Michaels would beat Kobashi is in international revenues. But, if we compare Michaels' prime to that of Kobashi and give them each a monetary value, I'm confident that Kobashi's would be greater than Michaels', even with the additional international revenue.

Not entirely sure what you mean by monetary value. As in how much money they brought in?

 

[Cena's Little Helper]

Yeah and then you/Tdigle moaned and complained about how it should have been Kobashi etc and asked for an argument over why Shawn should win it and I gave you one. You didn't agree with it, I didn't agree with your reason why Kobashi should win, but apparently according to the two of you, it's because we don't know what we're talking about.

What the fuck are we whining about? We gave this up, except people like you and FTS decided to come in here and justify the win. If anyone's whining, it's you because you want us to ignore facts that we've offered for consideration and agree with you that Michaels is a more important wrestler than Kobashi.

 

[Cena's Little Helper]

Not entirely sure what you mean by monetary value. As in how much money they brought in?

What else could it possibly mean?

 

[X]

Yeah and then you/Tdigle moaned and complained about how it should have been Kobashi etc and asked for an argument over why Shawn should win it and I gave you one. You didn't agree with it, I didn't agree with your reason why Kobashi should win, but apparently according to the two of you, it's because we don't know what we're talking about.

I asked for an argument, you gave me one, I retorted. What exactly were you expecting? Did you think I'd hear your argument, toss up my hands and go "OH KB YOU HAVE SHOWN ME TEH LIGHT!" or something?

You presented a solid argument though. One I disagree with, and I explained why I disagree with. Why are you resorting to insulting me and TDigs now? Because we want to continue discussing this match-up?

And no offense KB, but on the subject of Kenta Kobashi, you really don't know much about him. That's not an insult, it's the truth, a truth you've admitted to.



Oh, and here's a fun fact since we're talking about drawing. HBK has made a grand total of ONE trip to Japan KB, and he couldn't fill up a bingo hall the same size that ECW could regularly fill up in the US. Whereas Kobashi has wrestled infront of 100,000+ on more than one occasion.

 

[klunderbunker]

I'm talking about you flat out telling us we don't know what we're talking about. We find puro boring. Sorry we don't like what you like.

And Tdigle, for the money thing, I would say three letters: NWO. For a long amount of Shawn's run on top, no one on the planet was going to touch them for how hot they were. Also there's the whole issue of passing the torch which is a long thread in and of itself.

 

[X]

I'm talking about you flat out telling us we don't know what we're talking about. We find puro boring. Sorry we don't like what you like.

...So, you ADMIT that you know very little about puro. Literally you've just said that in so many words. Why are you getting pissed when I say it?

Again, I never said "you know nothing about wrestling", I said "you know very little about Kobashi and puro", which is a factually correct statement that you've JUST AGREED WITH! Why are we arguing over this?!

And Tdigle, for the money thing, I would say three letters: NWO. For a long amount of Shawn's run on top, no one on the planet was going to touch them for how hot they were. Also there's the whole issue of passing the torch which is a long thread in and of itself.

Lol, the NWO. Another thing that was ripped off from the Japanese. How ironic.

 

[Cena's Little Helper]

I'm talking about you flat out telling us we don't know what we're talking about. We find puro boring. Sorry we don't like what you like.

And Tdigle, for the money thing, I would say three letters: NWO. For a long amount of Shawn's run on top, no one on the planet was going to touch them for how hot they were. Also there's the whole issue of passing the torch which is a long thread in and of itself.

Four letters: NJPW.

Edit: And just so people understand what I mean, Japan has historically been able to support two very popular wrestling promotions. Kobashi was able to succeed with NJPW as competition, which has always been a powerhouse promotion.

 

[klunderbunker]

Again, I never said "you know nothing about wrestling", I said "you know very little about Kobashi and puro", which is a factually correct statement that you've JUST AGREED WITH! Why are we arguing over this?!

Not just me, the people that voted for Shawn.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

The match between Kobashi and Michaels was a 30 minute iron man match, not a 60 minute one.

Kobashi would have won that too.

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

I'm not surprised. This forum has proven to take logic, light it on fire, and say things around it. It's stupid. Liger beats HBK, but Kobashi doesn't? Whatever. That's why I'm abstaining from most of these tourneys. She bats her e-eyelashes and gets votes for HBK. Good thing I saw through that from day one.

 

[X]

Right Lariat? I brought that up. Somehow Liger can beat HBK in the WZ tournament, but fucking KENTA KOBASHI can't? That's one big logic fail. Kobashi is ten times the wrestler Liger is.

 

[BooCocky]

I was always a fan of Liger.

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

Right Lariat? I brought that up. Somehow Liger can beat HBK in the WZ tournament, but fucking KENTA KOBASHI can't? That's one big logic fail. Kobashi is ten times the wrestler Liger is.

Exactly. I'd say about 50 times the wrestler Liger is. Then again, the logic here. Alien's appparently the greatest movie of all time, Christian would beat Hansen in an Extreme Rules match, and Hogan loses to Benoit because Hogan would slip climbing out of a cage. You really can't win here.