Nah. Sorry. Goldberg would NOT be a great manager. Contrary to popular opinion, managers are supposed to ENHANCE the talent they "work for". Not overshadow. Yes, talking, or being a mouthpiece is part of that, but only part of it. There is a lot more to being a manager then just talking.
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Tequila Dave
Flame on.
Wait, whose been saying the first thing?
Also, pretty crappy idea. Managers are for A) getting someone when they can't do it themselves and B) acting as a mouthpiece. Considering Ryback's doing pretty well and Goldberg is hardly the promo king, this is, quite frankly, a shit idea. Also, it would be silly for a dominant force such as Ryback to have another dominant force managing him - it would make him appear lesser.
Yeah, real shit idea.
Also, pretty crappy idea. Managers are for A) getting someone when they can't do it themselves and B) acting as a mouthpiece. Considering Ryback's doing pretty well and Goldberg is hardly the promo king, this is, quite frankly, a shit idea. Also, it would be silly for a dominant force such as Ryback to have another dominant force managing him - it would make him appear lesser.
Yeah, real shit idea.
Ruthless-RKO
F*ck Friends, Rather die wiv ma AK!
Whenever someone asks about good Goldberg matches there are few that people can agree are objectively good. But DDP/Goldberg at Halloween Havoc 1998 always seems to get a lot of love in those kinds of threads.
Is Ryback capable of more than squashing and brawling? Probably. He just needs a DDP type to work with. Ryback strikes me as a guy who needs to be booked very carefully. Lately, they've going about it all wrong IMHO. He never should have been hotshotted into a feud with Punk. He could have instead chased the World Heavyweight Championship. Big Show seems like a good opponent for him. After that they could have put him in some matches with say Daniel Bryan as the DDP to actually wrestle him and win over some smarks. Not sure if that would have even worked as I could see people crapping on Ryback for beating Bryan, but I think it could have a chance at working if Bryan was built up before hand and the match was made to look competitive.
As it stands now I have no idea who could be Ryback's DDP. It certainly won't be Bryan. At least not the way he is booked now.
Is Ryback capable of more than squashing and brawling? Probably. He just needs a DDP type to work with. Ryback strikes me as a guy who needs to be booked very carefully. Lately, they've going about it all wrong IMHO. He never should have been hotshotted into a feud with Punk. He could have instead chased the World Heavyweight Championship. Big Show seems like a good opponent for him. After that they could have put him in some matches with say Daniel Bryan as the DDP to actually wrestle him and win over some smarks. Not sure if that would have even worked as I could see people crapping on Ryback for beating Bryan, but I think it could have a chance at working if Bryan was built up before hand and the match was made to look competitive.
As it stands now I have no idea who could be Ryback's DDP. It certainly won't be Bryan. At least not the way he is booked now.
Jack-Hammer
YOU WILL RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!!!!
I think Ryback is going to get a certain amount of hate from some fans no matter what. You have to remember that Ryback's now a star in WWE. It's become something of an unofficial tradition that whenever a wrestler in WWE is in the midst of a push, the haters suddenly decide to come out to bash him for whatever reason. In the 3.5 years I've been posting in WZ, I've yet to see someone this hasn't been applied to despite a previous clamor for some of these wrestlers to be pushed. CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Cody Rhodes, The Miz, Sheamus, Del Rio, Dolph Ziggler, etc. To varying degrees, all of these wrestlers tend to have a lot of support from people wanting them to get pushed but some of that support seemed to have morphed into hate after a push began.
In the case of Ryback, he has a strike against him that a lot of internet smarks simply won't overlook in this day and age: he's a powerhouse wrestler. A lot of smarks think that you can't wrestle if you're someone that's between the 250 and 300 pound mark. After all, guys that size aren't doing suicide dives or hurricanranas or springboard moonsaults over the top rope, etc. which I guess is supposed to mean that guys like Ryback don't know how to be pro wrestlers.
Ultimately, what Ryback needs is time. He's come a very long way during his rivalries against CM Punk and The Shield. Ryback's character will have to evolve as he goes along because the mostly silent bruiser heel isn't going to get the job done if WWE ever decides to make him WWE or World Heavyweight Champion.
In the case of Ryback, he has a strike against him that a lot of internet smarks simply won't overlook in this day and age: he's a powerhouse wrestler. A lot of smarks think that you can't wrestle if you're someone that's between the 250 and 300 pound mark. After all, guys that size aren't doing suicide dives or hurricanranas or springboard moonsaults over the top rope, etc. which I guess is supposed to mean that guys like Ryback don't know how to be pro wrestlers.
Ultimately, what Ryback needs is time. He's come a very long way during his rivalries against CM Punk and The Shield. Ryback's character will have to evolve as he goes along because the mostly silent bruiser heel isn't going to get the job done if WWE ever decides to make him WWE or World Heavyweight Champion.
fenderjapan
Pre-Show Stalwart
Agreed...it seems like if you don't become some sort of indy cult hero before WWE, like Punk, Bryan, Cesaro, then you won't get respect from the IWC. Which is really stupid and shallow.
If Kevin Steen ever gets a WWE contract the IWC is going to bust a nut.
Back on track with the thread though...
I'm sorta divided on Ryback. He feels more like a Sid to me than a Goldberg. But I'm willing to give him a chance.
#MrScissorsKick
I'm an Alex Morgan Guy
Ryback doesn't need a DDP. Ryback has been pushed (quickly) into the Main Event scene since facing punk @ HIAC. Ryback has moved up the card since re-entering the WWE winning squash matches. Honestly, I've said this before in other threads, Ryback doesn't need anything more than a honest mid-card title feud. We all know Ryback will not win the WWE Title anytime soon, so to make Ryback relative again the WWE should put him back down to the mid-card and have him face Antonio Caesaro for the US Title. Both Caesaro and Ryback need some consistency and a feud for the 2 of them will be needed for both of their careers in the future. Ryback can't keep losing main event scenes and Caesaro can't keep facing guys like R-Truth. So forget about a DDP, have Ryback and Caesaro go at it and have Ryback win the US title at Wrestlemania.
This is less a matter of someone becoming a star and more becoming a star much too quickly than most fans could keep up with.
My take on Ryback is simple. He looks and acts goofy to the point where he reminds me of Tommy Pickles from Rugrats. Then there's the radical shift from "yep yep yep what it do?" to "feed me more!" and that he went from decimating jobbers/tag teams straight up to having title matches. Even Goldberg had to mow down the US champ before his inevitable match with Hogan. If they had given him more time to prove himself beyond the catchphrase and us time to forget about the Skip Sheffield character, many more would have latched onto him as being a legitimate threat. Everything about the character can be summed up with two simple words: too soon.
He needs to be taken out of the title scene and given some memorable feuds before the eventual challenge against whoever is champion. A Royal Rumble win could help move this along.
My take on Ryback is simple. He looks and acts goofy to the point where he reminds me of Tommy Pickles from Rugrats. Then there's the radical shift from "yep yep yep what it do?" to "feed me more!" and that he went from decimating jobbers/tag teams straight up to having title matches. Even Goldberg had to mow down the US champ before his inevitable match with Hogan. If they had given him more time to prove himself beyond the catchphrase and us time to forget about the Skip Sheffield character, many more would have latched onto him as being a legitimate threat. Everything about the character can be summed up with two simple words: too soon.
He needs to be taken out of the title scene and given some memorable feuds before the eventual challenge against whoever is champion. A Royal Rumble win could help move this along.
Ryback was never meant to get over as quickly as he did, otherwise the booking of him would have made sense. WWE were backed into a corner when Ryback was superover without more than a minor push by having handicap squash matches. Putting him in the Punk/Cena storyline backfired in hindsight.
To build him back, he simply needs to go over established heels with him culminating with a match with Big Show or Kane and beating them clean in quick time, maybe even for the WHC.
To build him back, he simply needs to go over established heels with him culminating with a match with Big Show or Kane and beating them clean in quick time, maybe even for the WHC.
Piss Bucket
Future British World Champ
Even if Ryback wins the title on the first RAW next year (which he won't, we all know they're planning Punk Vs The Rock at the Rumble) I still won't care about a man who has NO mic skills, and does 2 moves.
I just want SOMEBODY to take the belt off Punk!
I just want SOMEBODY to take the belt off Punk!
You do realize that the way he portrays himself on the mic is his character? And have you even watched a Ryback match?
I think the WWE made a mistake rushing him into a feud with Punk over the title, I don't think he was ready for that and I'd rather see him with the US/Intercontinental title first.
Broski_of_the_week
Occasional Pre-Show
Brilliant... so you dont like Ryback for having no mic skills or in ring skills but also dont like Punk, who is arguably the best on the mic and in the ring in the world atm.... so what do you like??
back on topic though, not really sure what you mean by needing a 'D.D.P' for Ryback then mentioning Daniel Bryan... DDP and Bryan are as similar as chalk and cheese in my eyes. One was a limited brawler with tons of charisma, the other a technical master whos only just finding his charismatic side. I guess if you wanted a DDP for Ryback to go over in WWE at the moment I think your best bet would be someone along the lines of the Miz, but then again Rybacks already squashed him more than once. Other than that I dont know what Ryback needs, hes already super over, he just needs to bide his time and not lose momentum til after Wrestlemania season and if he can handle that I predict him holding a championship by the end of Summerslam, if not before then.
theBec2101
Championship Contender
No. I dont really know why you would say he needs a "DDP". Anyway, Goldberg just happened. Right time right place and then they realized they had something to go with a story. With Ryback it was already set. That the main difference. Ryback doesnt need a DDP like Goldberg because they dont want him to be like Goldberg. I dont want him to be like Goldberg, I dont want to see another legend in the sport never be able to compete again because he botches a kick.
I'm impressed with Ryback's fan reaction. He has the loudest chants and cheers quite possibly out of all the current WWE talent. That's all good and well for highlight reels and such. However, I find Ryback to be super boring, lacking in actual strength, and abit overhyped. At least Goldberg could somewhat wrestle when forced to[though not that well]. Goldberg had decent matches with DDP, Sting, Booker T, and even Jeff Jarrett near the end of WCW. Ryback hasn't had a single great match since his push and he is probably going to seriously injure top talent if he doesn't train to enhance his strength. He is the classic example of all steroid and no real legit strength. I'd say have The Shield give Ryback a brutal beatdown that has him sidelined for awhile so he can go to FCW and work on mastering the basics. It's not really fair or right for the talents not getting air time or pushes that can work smartly and safely who have far better grasps on basics to be overlooked in favor of someone so awful in every respect. I think it is admirable that WWE wants to start making new stars. I just don't think Ryback is either ready or capable of becoming the next big breakout star that WWE is desperately searching for. 10 years ago Ryback probably wouldn't have lasted beyond a month since his rookie greenness is showing. It's apparent that WWE is pushing him for lacking of anyone else to turn to, which is a bad decision.
silrock316
PHiLLY PuNK
First: I have said it before and I will say it again. I am SICK of the comparsions of Ryback and Goldberg. Outside of his bald head, they are NOTHING ALIKE.
The way WCW booked Goldberg was awesome. When I think of Goldberg back then I don't think of DDP. I think of his fueds with Hogan and Nash. They booked Goldberg as WCW's SAVIOR against the nWo and it worked. If you watch the match Goldberg beats Hogan for the title, that crowd in Georgia was one of the HOTTEST crowds I can remember watching.
The way WWE books Ryback is NOTHING like what they did with Goldberg. I mean just let it go with the Goldberg stuff.
Now for the sake of answering your question:
I don't think Ryback needs a "DDP" type of fued. He isn't even built the same as Goldberg so a match against Bryan is not going to live up to your expectations. However I agree a match with Big Show would be nice. As a matter of fact, Big Show would be the fued you are looking for. Ryback would surely not dominate Big Show and it would show a different side of Ryback that you are looking for I think. Wrestling is not the same as it was before. I dont think we are ever gonna look back at this ERA of wrestling and think of any fueds the way we do looking back at Austin/Rock, Austin/HHH, or back even farther with Savage/Steamboat. Wrestling is just not written the same as it use to and I just don't see Ryback being as HUGE as any of the aforementioned wrestlers were.
My advice to you is to just stop over thinking things and just enjoy what is in front of you. As for most of the IWC, they aren't enjoying wrestling anymore because they out think themselves and think they know more about wrestling than others. Don't do that and just enjoy Ryback while he isnt stale.
I know I am.
The way WCW booked Goldberg was awesome. When I think of Goldberg back then I don't think of DDP. I think of his fueds with Hogan and Nash. They booked Goldberg as WCW's SAVIOR against the nWo and it worked. If you watch the match Goldberg beats Hogan for the title, that crowd in Georgia was one of the HOTTEST crowds I can remember watching.
The way WWE books Ryback is NOTHING like what they did with Goldberg. I mean just let it go with the Goldberg stuff.
Now for the sake of answering your question:
I don't think Ryback needs a "DDP" type of fued. He isn't even built the same as Goldberg so a match against Bryan is not going to live up to your expectations. However I agree a match with Big Show would be nice. As a matter of fact, Big Show would be the fued you are looking for. Ryback would surely not dominate Big Show and it would show a different side of Ryback that you are looking for I think. Wrestling is not the same as it was before. I dont think we are ever gonna look back at this ERA of wrestling and think of any fueds the way we do looking back at Austin/Rock, Austin/HHH, or back even farther with Savage/Steamboat. Wrestling is just not written the same as it use to and I just don't see Ryback being as HUGE as any of the aforementioned wrestlers were.
My advice to you is to just stop over thinking things and just enjoy what is in front of you. As for most of the IWC, they aren't enjoying wrestling anymore because they out think themselves and think they know more about wrestling than others. Don't do that and just enjoy Ryback while he isnt stale.
I know I am.
Yeah, because monsters should cut promos like Ric Flair and have the technical ability of Dean Malenko right? Yeah, that makes sense. This is a prime example of a modern internet smark. Most of them only want one type of wrestler cut from the CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Chris Benoit mold. Doesn't that get boring to you people? Honestly I'm a bit sick of it and would rather see more of a power style in the main events. And I don't want a blood thirsty wrecking machine cutting 20 minute promos about how good they are.
As for whether or not he needs a DDP. I think he's already had that in Punk and Cena if you mean someone he can't just push around for 2 minutes and beat. I think right now it's important for Ryback to look as dominant as possible.
Personally I think its that TV time limits what you can do with a Ryback even though the shows are 3 hours long, there jamming too much in those three hours and not giving time to develop stars. I remember Zack Ryder had a 20 minute match with Christian on ECW and it was arguably the best of his career, but when you go to a Raw or Smackdown! show they give mid-card guys like 10 minutes tops. Now lets go to Superstars, your main eventers potentially get 10-15 minutes to pull off a good match Orton/Barrett, and Cena/Ziggler are great examples of this. Now why this is important is simple. Ryback is a main eventer for sure, but is only getting mid-carder time and I think this is why he doesn't seem developed and why Goldberg chants keep happening, but look when he takes on a CM Punk or Shield or Del Rio or Ziggler, he can put on a 4 star match with his smash mouth style. and has shown he can be versatile he has a submission arsenal.
Now does he need a DDP, maybe showing he can hang with guys who are Submission artists, or versatile like a Randy Orton will help sure, but mainly he needs real TV time to show what he can do. Once he gets TV time with the right opponents then and only then will nay sayers give him some credibility. Just Remember one thing Cena never was taken serious until he had caliber matches with Triple H, Angle, and HBK.
Now does he need a DDP, maybe showing he can hang with guys who are Submission artists, or versatile like a Randy Orton will help sure, but mainly he needs real TV time to show what he can do. Once he gets TV time with the right opponents then and only then will nay sayers give him some credibility. Just Remember one thing Cena never was taken serious until he had caliber matches with Triple H, Angle, and HBK.
I agree he should never ave been pushed into the WWE title picture. Punk's lpng reign is the story there not the rise of Ryback and he gets lost in that a little. However, I like him vs The Shield. Even with the loss at TLC he still looked strong and I liked the end where the wounded monster couldn't get there to save Bryan from being powerbombed through the table. I don't see it having much longevity as The Shield now have so many enemies so a feud leading to DDP style match would be a good way for him to go. They got over the mistake of a quick push quite well. Losing I think has helped rather than weakened him. however, he now needs a PPV win soon. Possible opponents for a good match? there are a few candidates. Daniel Bryan yes but Randy Orton could also be a good shout. May not be as technically sound but his style is such that it could give that match for him. My pick though would be Y2J.
Ryback is more of a psycho sid than a Goldberg in my opinion with that rage he carries. He's not going to be the wwe champion anytime soon, so have him pursue the United States championship against the anti American champion in cesaro. If you want to do the Goldberg comparison then yes put the belt on him just like Goldberg did on his route to the whc.
As for his DDP, Bryan, cesaro and maybe big show can fill that roll. I'm just not sure there can be someone of that caliber for him, and I really don't think the guy is even on the roster yet. The fans love him so just keep trying with other superstars and try to stretch his matches out.
As for his DDP, Bryan, cesaro and maybe big show can fill that roll. I'm just not sure there can be someone of that caliber for him, and I really don't think the guy is even on the roster yet. The fans love him so just keep trying with other superstars and try to stretch his matches out.
I think it is funny when fans get mad with the Ryback and Goldberg comparisons. I do agree though. They aren't the same: Goldberg had a little skill and legit strength. It's ironic too, though. Ryback himself has acknowledged the Goldberg similarities in interviews. The fact is Ryback has done anything of importance to set himself apart from these comparisons. At least Goldberg had a marketable character and unique intangible about him that made you sit up and take notice. So far, Ryback hasn't been able to do that.
Again, I gotta agree. Goldberg's opponents were random notches in his belt for the streak. So it somewhat made sense when Goldberg faced these guys. Ryback's opponents are random and not in a good way. Some of these opponents have had little to zero build to their matches with Ryback and the matches are absolutely horrific. I haven't seen this level of greenness or lack of strength in quite some time. Definetely not enough to justify the massive push that Ryback gets.
People do tend to overthink things. I don't believe that Goldberg and Ryback have as much in common as most seem to think. Goldberg had legit build, a standout character, and good booking. Not to mention that he had actual talent. Was Goldberg a technician? Hardly. But when WCW portrayed Goldberg as a powerhouse, it was legit. You didn't see Bill Goldberg dropping people the size of Paul Heyman or botching his finish. Quite the contrary, Goldberg was jackhammering guys like The Giant[Big Show] and Hugh Morris[Demott]. That is legit strength. That is a real monster and power wrestler. In short, that is why these comparisons have no merit. Goldberg was the real deal and Ryback is not.
z MUFASA z
Dark Match Jobber
Going for the WHC would be great for him & Big Show would be the perfect person to put him over, an established veteran and to see Ryback do the Shell Shocker on Big Show would be a crazy sight to see. But to be honest all Ryback would have gained through chasing the WHC would be, the idiots who complain about the product and nothing new, having something else to compare him to Goldberg with just like you are right now. You are just like everyone else and cannot let Goldberg and Ryback be two different characters. You just like everyone else are no longer even qualified to touch on the subject because your opinion is so ignorant and pointless just like what I'm saying right now is, because despite what I say you will continue to compare Ryback to Goldberg and that is truly disgusting that in 6 days we will be in 2013 and you cannot let new things happen without comparing it to something old and washed up.
Yes, he does need a skillful opponent if they ever plan to feature him in longer matches. If they don't do this they will really hurt him in the long run. It's either that or he would need to get some serious improvement in his wrestling skills, which unfortunately probably won't happen. Let's not forget, he's been already wrestling for 8 or so years.
I think he already reached the point where he is doing more than just squash matches. His match with Del Rio on Main Event was a pretty long tv match. ADR got in more offense than I thought he would. Plus, he didn't just squash The Shield at TLC. They made them look almost as equals to Ryback and Team Hell No.
Obviously Goldberg was a lot better. He was more intense and Goldberg offense was much more high impact smashmouth than Ryback's. Like others have said smarks hate muscular powerhouse wrestlers. That's why he is getting the Goldberg backlash. Their probably the same fans who hated Goldberg during his rise.
I think they just need to continue to have him look like a force. His WM opponent should be either Mark Henry or the Big Show. Then after WM they can think about putting the WWE title on him. He probably would of already been champion if they were not locked into Rock vs Punk at RR.
Obviously Goldberg was a lot better. He was more intense and Goldberg offense was much more high impact smashmouth than Ryback's. Like others have said smarks hate muscular powerhouse wrestlers. That's why he is getting the Goldberg backlash. Their probably the same fans who hated Goldberg during his rise.
I think they just need to continue to have him look like a force. His WM opponent should be either Mark Henry or the Big Show. Then after WM they can think about putting the WWE title on him. He probably would of already been champion if they were not locked into Rock vs Punk at RR.
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Do you think that Ryback can be over again ?
Just like we see at Elimination Chamber, Ryback took the pin once again. The guy was red hot in 2012 for Hell In A Cell, everybody loved him but since that push, the WWE took the wrong way with him. He has become the guy who lose to every Main-Event heel. The guy is supposed to be unstoppable but he loses every big match, the WWE even made him less bad-ass. And now, after CM Punk, it's the Shield who destroy him every time. Do you think this is too much for Ryback and that there is a possibility that he will never be able to get a pop like he did before ?
Personaly, I think it's still not over for him but the WWE need to give Ryback a win over The Shield at Wrestlemania. If he continues in that way, if he continue to loses all his matches, it will be over for him I think because he will be a joke. I'm not qaying that he have to win all his matches but for the moment, he is the guy who can't win the important matches
Do you think that Ryback can be over again ?
Just like we see at Elimination Chamber, Ryback took the pin once again. The guy was red hot in 2012 for Hell In A Cell, everybody loved him but since that push, the WWE took the wrong way with him. He has become the guy who lose to every Main-Event heel. The guy is supposed to be unstoppable but he loses every big match, the WWE even made him less bad-ass. And now, after CM Punk, it's the Shield who destroy him every time. Do you think this is too much for Ryback and that there is a possibility that he will never be able to get a pop like he did before ?
Personaly, I think it's still not over for him but the WWE need to give Ryback a win over The Shield at Wrestlemania. If he continues in that way, if he continue to loses all his matches, it will be over for him I think because he will be a joke. I'm not qaying that he have to win all his matches but for the moment, he is the guy who can't win the important matches
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To answer your question no it is not too late and imo it never is. Personally I thought swags had been buried far beyond recovery from his move to raw, failed whc reign ( Booking or not it was what it was) to his burial from parting with Ziggler and a 6 month absence. Regardless he is now in the whc match at mania. Henry got put into a red tights and lost near every notable match for a few years on raw, had many monster runs that fizzled out into shit all or injuries, but he still came back and presumably will stay their. Ryder was just another superstars regular on the fast track to be wished the best in his future endeavorers but as soon as creative decided to back he came up very quickly( and down yes but he came up and thats the main thing ). All these cases say the same thing, when its decided someone should be big its rarely too late unless the wrestler does something terribly wrong but generally not due to them being squashed
To answer your question no it is not too late and imo it never is. Personally I thought swags had been buried far beyond recovery from his move to raw, failed whc reign ( Booking or not it was what it was) to his burial from parting with Ziggler and a 6 month absence. Regardless he is now in the whc match at mania. Henry got put into a red tights and lost near every notable match for a few years on raw, had many monster runs that fizzled out into shit all or injuries, but he still came back and presumably will stay their. Ryder was just another superstars regular on the fast track to be wished the best in his future endeavorers but as soon as creative decided to back he came up very quickly( and down yes but he came up and thats the main thing ). All these cases say the same thing, when its decided someone should be big its rarely too late unless the wrestler does something terribly wrong but generally not due to them being squashed
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