I see your point, I guess most just don't buy into him for the very reasons you mentioned. Sure, he has won, but he did have one of the NFL's best defenses.
Yes, except for in the games where they gave up 49, 29, 45, 32, 41, 40 and 45 points in a game (you know, almost half of the number of games they played for the season). They also ranked 26th in scoring defense last year, according to Skip Bayless this morning.
A lot of those games were kept close due to the Denver defense.
And won by Tebow's offense.
Tebow looked bad for most of the game and eventually made key plays
Again, according to Skip Bayless (a guy I can't stand, but I just heard these this morning as he's also a Tebow fan), he was #1 in QB Rating in the last 5 minutes of the game last year. #1 in the entire league in the last 5 minutes.
but I guess you can't take the wins away from him.
You can't.
But he was still mostly a game manager.
As was Alex Smith and the 49ers made it to the NFC Championship game, and should have made it to the Super Bowl, if not for Ted Ginn's injury.
I don't think he'd be able to keep up in a shoot-out.
He scored 29 points against the NFL's best defense last year. Just saying.
But so what if he can't keep up in a shootout? Are you really ready to dismiss an 8-5 record because there might be games where your defense sucks?
I'd find it interesting if someone gave him another shot, and it could happen elsewhere. It'd certainly be entertaining to watch.
I can think of several teams that need a QB and a few wins.
In fact, he went to the AFC Championship game in both his rookie and sophmore seasons.
Mark Sanchez has arguably worse numbers than Tebow last year and was STILL the starter this year. Tebow had virtually zero interest from other teams and Ryan will barely even let him off the bench.
And that was why they went Sanchez over Tebow all year long. Sanchez is their guy, Tebow is the new guy. The guy you spend a first and second round pick (as well as 3 useless guys) on gets a shot ahead of the backup option the owner/GM wanted.
Understandable, but that just goes back to what I've said about the "intelligent football minds". Despite a season that's crashing and burning, they still are scared to put Tebow in the game.
I don't think Rex ever wanted Tebow, hence why he never gave him a shot to play consistently. Ownership and the GM wanted him. Rex got stuck with him.
I'll agree 100% to that.
You answered your own question. He doesn't fit the mold of an NFL QB. He is horribly inaccurate and a terrible pocket passer, and his running style is unlike that of most NFL running QBs. Hence, most teams don't want to try and change an entire offense just to adhere to a Tebow offense.
Perhaps, but how silly is that for a team like the Chiefs or the Raiders or the Jaguars or the Titans or the Bills? These are teams which haven't been relevant, nor had a good starting QB, in such a long time. The only one who has come close is the Raiders, but Carson Palmer isn't what he was.
Again, the "most intelligent football minds" just don't seem to be very smart to me.
Absolutely spot on.
And his religion definitely plays a role. Not in the sense that he is a Christian, but how vocal he is about it gets on peoples nerves sometimes.
I'll agree 100% with that.
Wasn't the mindset of the Jets in their past two AFC Championships playing a Run heavy offense with a shutdown Defense?
Yes.
I wouldn't want Tebow either. More because you already have a good idea what you will get out of him, and that isn't good. It maybe better to give McElroy a chance, at least you don't know yet what he can do. The season for them is over, so what does he have to lose?
Take the unknown over the known, if the known is crap at least you may get surprised.
How do you know Tebow is crap, when he went 8-5 and won a playoff game against the best defense in the league?
I don't think Tebow is the answer for the Jets. I have major reservations about his long term talent, but putting all of that aside, you can't throw him into this mess and not expect him to suffer. I think Sanchez can still be a serviceable NFL QB, but not in NY, he is mentally defeated and the same would happen to Tebow.
From everything I've seen and heard, Tebow would be far more likely to handle NY than Sanchez has been.
100%
And it's not even so much his coaching record as it is the absolute circus which surrounds the Jets because of him. Without the stupid stuff he does and says, I could see the Jets giving him another year or two. But what he's turned the Jets into is simply ridiculous, and no self-respecting team would ever want their name sullied the way Ryan has sullied the Jets name.
The defense was the primary reason Denver went to the playoffs with Tebow at the helm.
Those 5 fourth quarter comebacks in 6 games didn't hurt either.
Willis McGahee having the best year of his career didn't hurt things either.
When the QB is also a threat to run, it opens things up more for the tailback.
ESPN won't ever report that, though, because ESPN really, really hearts Tim Tebow. They'd have his baby if he was willing to have premarital sex with something.
We're obviously listening to different aspects of ESPN, because I've yet to hear anyone besides Skip Bayless consistently defend Tim Tebow as a quarterback.
The Jets players were "too good" for Tebow and their coach didn't have the balls to tell them they weren't.
If you really think none of McGahee's success was due to Tebow then you are a moron. Look at his stats in that playoff game and tell me anyone could have done that just because they have a good defense.
It happens so rarely, I just thought I ought to point out when we totally agree.
I wonder if CBS would change their nationally televised game if Tebow started either of the Jets last two games. Probably not this late in the season.
If he were to start and win this week, I'm sure he'd be on the next week. Tebow is huge ratings.
Because for Tebow, the best option for his career going into the future would have been to stay in Denver and learn under Peyton Manning.
So Tim Tebow is not a great guy because Denver traded him without Tebow's consent after acquiring one of the greatest quarterbacks in history?
He could have lobbied to stay. He didn't.
So because he didn't beg a guy in John Elway, who never wanted him, to stay where he wasn't wanted just so he could sit and collect a paycheck he didn't earn that means he's not a great guy?
You have a very strange sense of what it means to be a good person.
He's not going be playing in New York, either, so again, he's asking to be traded and/or released.
As well he should, as well as anyone sane person would do.
This is Tebow's career, and the Jets have actively worked to destroy his reputation. Just because he wants out of a situation which is actively seeking to destroy his earning power, that doesn't make him a bad guy. That makes him a rational guy.
It's his unwillingness to sit on the bench that it the problem.
Bull-fucking-shit. He sat the bench his entire first year in Denver. He's sat the bench this year, while Mark Sanchez is fumbling head first into his own lineman's ass. He's sat as the Jets have brought their three ring circus to every television in the country.
And through it all, until he was shafted again this week, Tebow never publicly spoke one word of complaint, never once indicated any kind of frustration to his teammates or the media, and did nothing but the best he could at any situation he was asked to do.
The problem is the Jets have no leadership.
