Jan 4th- Monday Night Raw vs TNA iMPACT

Which federation won on January 4th?

  • WWE is my favorite, and TNA came out the clear victor

  • WWE is my favorite, and WWE came out the clear victor

  • TNA is my favorite, and TNA came out the clear victor

  • TNA is my favorite, and WWE came out the clear victor

  • I like both equally, and WWE was the best show

  • I like both equally, and TNA had the best show

  • I hate both equally, and WWE had the best show

  • I hate both equally, and TNA had the best show


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two things jumped out at me:

1. Ratings for TNA are around 1.0...Raw gets between 3-4...and they are on different nighs. It is not like TNA is going to be stealing ratings because they currently are on a different night and still don't get around the same number Raw does.

2. TNA will still be taped. Raw may be crappy but at least it's live and without spoilers. IWC TNA fans, forced to choose between two, may already know results and matches and therefore just opt to watch what they don't know

with that said, I actually believe the best thing for the Wrestling Industry would be to have the two seperate companies and just have them acknolwedge each other, create real feuds and words between stars of both shows. It would spike brand loyalty, interest fans, and if a third party could come in to book matches fairly, would be unbelievable (PPV events that generate revenue for the 3rd party, pay WWE and TNA to use their stars and set up the matches...pretty good business strategy if you ask me)
 
If they do plan on having a show on Monday is the layout going to be like Smackdown and Raw circa 1999 where all the superstars were on both shows another question im interested in is will it be at the Impact Zone or somewhere else??

Its a good idea as it shows TNA trying to legitimize themselves and show they are a threat to WWE
 
According to footage from the Dixie Carter interview that wasn't shown on Impact last night, TNA is going to be debuting a new show on Impact called TNA Epics. Now, as of right now, no air time or starting date has been officially set, but that will probably change within a short time.

All that's been revealed right now is that the show is to feature classic TNA matches. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the same show that TNA was showing in the UK for a while earlier this year?

I dunno, I think this could be a waste of air time potentially. After all, if I want to watch old TNA matches, I could always just join the TNA video vault and pay about 4 bucks a month.
 
TNA Epics has been running in Europe for some time now. I don't really see the point in running something like this, either. Is the video vault really doing that poorly?

I guess it's another outfit to run promos for iMPACT!, but right now it just seems a little useless.
 
TNA Epics has been running in Europe for some time now. I don't really see the point in running something like this, either. Is the video vault really doing that poorly?

I guess it's another outfit to run promos for iMPACT!, but right now it just seems a little useless.

God I detest the term "brand extension." What a McMahonism. It's ANOTHER SHOW.

But this will be no different than the UFC older matches shows that Spike runs often. Except it will be porbably be Jeremy Borash talking about old feuds, interviewing current wrestlers and personalities, and maybe a Spin Cycle thrown in. Not a bad thing at all.
 
Well, for those of us currently watching the live finale of The Ultimate Fighter on Spike, Hulk Hogan, Dixie Carter, and Eric Bischoff are all in attendance, and Joe Rogan just interviewed Hogan where he announced that TNA would be going head-to-head with WWE Raw on Monday, January 4th. Hogan did not mention whether or not it was Impact that would be competing head-to-head on that Monday night, and with the recent confirmation that a new TNA show will be debuting in January, it very well could be a whole new show on Monday Nights.

This is obviously HUGE news. There was a ton of rumors and speculation that TNA would attempt to start competing with the WWE soon, but I don't think anyone expected it to be this soon. I'm a bit shocked, but more so, I'm extremely pleased and will certainly be giving TNA my viewership over the WWE that night, and I would absolutely implore everyone else to do the same, even if you aren't a big fan of TNA. The wrestling business in America needs competition now more than ever before, and it looks like TNA is trying to kickstart just that.

So, opinions everyone? Think this will work out for TNA? What will you be watching on Monday January 4th?
 
If this is official, it's a good idea. Because I assume Hogan will be on the show on January 4th and will try to draw numbers to TNA. This will be an exact guage on where the TNA stands with the WWE on a large scale and see how far they're off.

Basically, Hogan's trying to strike while the iron's hot and while the WWE's taken the PG route by offering some alternatives to the WWE. If they can do that and combat with whatever the WWE's throwing at this point, then we'll see. But it can't hurt to see where you stand. That's what Hogan's doing I suppose.
 
By getting Hulk on the show to promote, at least you're getting TNA some exposure on Spike's most likely highest rated show in quite some time. Although, TNA has been getting around 1.0s for quite some time. I'm not quite sure if TNA has what it takes to compete at this time. But, in order to stand a chance, you've got to roll the dice. Either you're going to get lucky, or you're going to crap out.
 
Are we sure that this isn't TNA Epics? If it is...then it's not going to matter. TNA has NOTHING that is epic to show. Thus, it would get worse ratings than WCW Worldwide.

If for some reason they have an IMPACT type show...it could be huge. This could truly be the Monday Night Wars over again people. I don't currently have cable...but something like this actually might entice me to lay down the bills for it.
 
On one hand I’m extremely happy because competition is just what’s needed here, in North America like X said. However, on the other hand I’m scared that they aren’t going to do as well as they expect to do. What happens if they do horribly? Does this mean they’ll never attempt to compete again or does it mean it’ll be a long time until we see them attempt to compete again.

I will however, be watching back and forth. It all depends on what WWE plans to do. If it seems like a really good show then I won’t want to miss a lot of it. But if TNA seems like it’s going to have a really good show that night too then I won’t want to miss a lot of it either especially if I know I’ll still be able to watch 1 hour of what happened on Raw on RAW A.M and all of the clips they air on ECW and SD!.

So I guess my viewing will go to TNA for the most part and I wish them luck. Hopefully they’ll do good enough in the ratings that they won’t be discouraged from competing with the WWE for the time being at least.
 
I don't think that night alone will do much of anything to show it. It's going to do higher than normal numbers with Hogan's debut and their first live non-PPV show in some time. The following few weeks will show if it's going to be viable or not.
 
this is the best news I've heard in years.... it'll be interesting to hear all the TNA chants during RAW's telecast...LOL.....especially when it gets to be so boring that half a million viewers turn to Spike TV....this will be epic....one has to wonder.what will that night be like?

Hogan making a direct reference to RAW, Mcmahon and WWE?

Vince Mcmahon making a reference to TNA?

who knows! only thing I know is...I know where i'll be on Mondays from then on!!! :lmao:

EDIT: Vince counters....WWE schedules their own 3 hour show on 1/4/10! Vince did not like the news apparently...lol
 
YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!! allright everybody get ready once again cuz the battle will be on MONDAY NIGHT WARS II i think the only winner here is the fans. Finally Vince will have a run for his money and he can't turn the PG era off until his little wife is in congress. PLEASE TNA STRIKE WHILE THE GIANT IS WEAK, YOUR THE LITTLE COMPANY CAN DO IT, TNA HAS THE BETTER "WRESTLERS", AND ALL I KNOW IS THAT I WILL BE TURNING ON SPIKE TV INSTEAD OF USA ON JANUARY 4TH
SO WWE YOU GOT 1 QUESTION TO ASK YOURSELF "ARE YOU READY, CUZ WHAT YA GONNA DO WWE WHEN TNA RUNS WILD ON YOU WOOOOO
 
Mount up, boys! Ooh-rah!

I can't even begin to talk about how excited I am about this.

We can sit here for the next five years talking about when TNA is going to be "ready" to compete with the WWE, but bottom line is – the only way to find out is to go to war. Were the Americans "ready" to fight the British in the American Revolution? ;)

Monday nights just got a helluva lot more fun!
 
If Vince is smart, he is already calling the Rock, Austin, and has Michaels vs Taker rematch lined up.

However, I'm afraid, Raw will suck probably even more than normally that night. I don't think he will even do anything different to even suggest he knows TNA is airing opposite WWE.

I'm excited, but I bet twenty bucks I will be let down. TNA has no idea how to run a productive company, and WWE won't change anything to try to blow TNA away.

But, since we know what TNA will bring, lets play the what if.

What IF the Rock DOES return and host Raw as rumored. What if he wrestles, street clothes or not. And I'm not talking about a 15 minute match, A 1 minute match would draw them in.

Rock-Orton confrontation would bring some people in.

So for once, in quite a few years, I'm going to get excited. I'm gong to hope Hogan doesn't hog the TV, I'm going to hope Vince gives us what we want to see. One month away, lets hope neither company lets us down
 
I've heard the new tna show starts at 8:00 on monday nights. If that's true then I'll definitely be watching tna. Imo, I wouldn't be missing anything in the first hour of raw anyway.

UNLESS

WWE see some competition, steps up it's game, and puts on some must see tv!

Hopefully it'll make WWE do some drastic stuff, that is, if TNA does any good against them, which is anybody's guess.

But yeah, then after tna was over, you could watch the last hour of raw anyway.

Now if it was at 9:00 then I'd watch tna the whole time.
 
If this is a way for TNA to gauge what it would be like to go head-to-head with the WWE in it's current form, then I say why not. Go ahead. TNA at this point has nothing to lose.

Of course their not going to beat the Raw anytime soon ( or even come close anytime soon), but if this is a way for TNA to at least promote itself as just a KNOWN alternative to the WWE, then they should push this as much as possible.

While TNA has it's production flaws and can be all over the place with its storylines, I've always felt their main problem was their horrible publicity model ( hell, if they even have one!). Even though pro wrestling obviously isn't coolest thing to watch nowadays ( that's MMA apparently), it's still a strong enough enterprise and culture around it to draw viewers globally.

And there's a large portion of the pro wrestling audience in the U.S. that either don't know TNA exist or don't care that they do. That's the burden on Hogan and Dixie now. They've got to find a publicity model that will get people to know TNA exist, is a viable alternative to the WWE, and are worth spending money on, whether its merch, PPVs or live shows.

I don't know if they're ever going to get back the viewers who helped create the late-90s boom since alot of those people turned out to be band-wagoners who probably watch UFC now because that's the thing to do.

However, there's a huge chunk of the WWE audience that are "new" viewers, meaning they started watching pro wrestling post-Invasion Era and never had the option of a televised alternative brand before.

Because of this lack of alternative, I think Vince has been able to foster a heightened sense of brand loyalty in some of the younger, new viewers. Back when WCW and ECW were around, I think that fans loyalties might have been more split between liking the company as well as following whatever wrestlers they preferred. Now, I've noticed plenty of fans who don't want to give TNA a chance because a.) It's not the WWE, b.) their "mainstream" fans and don't like watching anything that looks 'minor league' a.k.a. WE want big arena and more pyro'.

Say what you will about WCW and ECW ( especially right before their demise ) but at least they were there provided that alternative.
It's the same reason why you'll end up the fan of the baseball team in your city. If you like baseball, and that's the only one constantly see on local tv, then it's easier to identity with them. But in a two team city, even if one is bigger than the other, the other team can make of the fans that the bigger team would have if there was only one, just on account of them existing.

I also, like this because it puts pressure on TNA internally.
Even if it's a 3-hour, one-off special at the moment, they know that their going to have to put their best foot forward, and hopefully they know they needs that they should prove how well they can succeed where the WWE can misfire.

That means they should put on some awesome Knockout matches so viewers can see how much better their women's matches are;
maybe they should have a tag-team tournament so people can see the depth of their tag division compared to the WWE.
Of course they should trot the X-divison out for an audience-pleasing spotfest, but most imporantly, they need to push how AJ Styles, and Daniels and Joe are in the title hunt so they can combat the stigma that TNA is where WWE rejects go and WCW has-beens get all the title shots.
If they thrown in some plausible drama with Hogan, Jarrett and Foley, that's fine cause that's where Hogan needs to fit into the storylines, but the show needs to be about Hogan pushing the TNA younger stars ( if the guy has it in his soul to do so ) because they are the future of pro wrestling.

So I say go for it with when it comes to this special. Even when the ratings come out and TNA has gotten hammered, you can't say their not trying to step-up to the plate. At this point, you could argue if they don't get completely hammered ( as in there's some segments where their ratings move up compared to RAW ) then that's a win for them.
Of course the WWE won't even acknowledge that TNA exist, but I wouldn't be surprised if they ask Rocky to host that Raw either.
On the other hand, if MNF isn't on, that should help both shows.
 
I've heard the new tna show starts at 8:00 on monday nights. If that's true then I'll definitely be watching tna. Imo, I wouldn't be missing anything in the first hour of raw anyway.

I hope this is the time slot that TNA uses as well, if they start off 8-10 PM they can get tangible data on how many people would stop watching Impact for Raw on Mondays (which I'm guessing is very, very few people anyways), it'd be their best move to take it slow here. I miss the days when Nitro would start at 8 and Raw would start at 9...but perhaps I can relive those days now with TNA and the WWE.

I too hope this really gets Vince to step it up in the WWE as well, but let's save that discussion for another time and just stick to discussing TNA right now.

By the way, it appears that the show on Monday is confirmed to be Impact, which would obviously mean a move from Thursday. Perhaps the new show will be taking Impact's spot on Thursdays?
 
FINALLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY IM SO FREAKIN EXCITED. I'll be watching Raw but i'll probably switch through from time to time or I'll Record TNA while watching Raw. King or Micheal Cole will say something that TNA is doing bla bla bla on there show and then i'll switch to see whats going on. But either way I will be watching both shows. Both shows are going to be 3 hours long. I wonder if it's ganna be TNA 8 and Raw 9. And to that guy who said he hopes Vince is calling Rock/Austin and have HBK v.s Taker lol that would be cool to have. I can't WAIT FOR JANUARY 4TH 2010!!!!!!
 
Great news for the business in general.

WWE needs competition to be innovative again, the deaths of WCW and ECW half killed the WWE imo.

Although i seriously doubt Vince would be losing any sleep over it at the moment seeing as impact barely beats WWE superstars over there in tv ratings right?

Over here in England, TNA consistantly beats all WWE programming in the tv ratings (So did WCW back in the 90's too.) because TNA is shown on the freeview channels over here like Bravo and Virgin 1, WWE is shown on Sky Sports 1,2,3 and extra with its various shows and sky sports isn't cheap either like twenty pounds a month just for the sports channels but i am fortunate enough to have them all.

I wonder what kind of ratings TNA will get up against raw, one website is reporting RAW may go 3 hour to counteract TNA, interesting stuff Indeed.
 
I'm pretty excited. But like the above poster said, if Vince makes the Jan 4th RAW 3 hours, and gets Rock to host, TNA will be slaughtered. I'm all for watching TNA over WWE to stick it to Vince for the lame programming lately, but if RAW were 3 hours with the Rock hosting I wouldn't turn the channel from USA all night. Vince is licking his chops in my opinion.
 
I wouldn't say it's either. TNA's product for the most part is still where it was almost 10 years ago. The WWE has nothing to worry about. TNA will be dead inside 3 years. Mark my words.
 
Now, this is what I call a statement. WWE vs. TNA on Monday Nights... even for one evening. We're gonna find out just how badly WWE is doing in the ratings. Monday Night Football will be done after 12/28. So, with that out of the way, any wrestling fan or any person that might be tempted to watch something on a Monday Night will be in the market.

TNA might have to go head to head with WWE for three straight hours, which makes the challenge daunting to say the least. However, as a wrestling fan, I am excited as hell about this. NOW, if I don't want to watch a guest host do a dance with Hornswoggle, I can turn to TNA and watch something called wrestling. Or at least, that's what I better be pressing my remote control for. If TNA resorts to the 2:15hr. out of 3 hour talk fest that WCW used to do, I'm out. But if TNA can continue doing what they've been moderately successful in doing for the last few months, I might turn on their show and give it a try during squash matches, long talk segments, commercials, and HORNSWOGGLE.

Either way, we're gonna find out if TNA can sink or swim on Monday Nights. If they do anything near what they normally do on Thursdays in the ratings, it will be a success because it will show that whatever night they are on, they can still carry that audience. Anything ABOVE that, WWE better get ready for another Monday Night War, which frankly is only good for us fans.
 
"allright everybody get ready once again cuz the battle will be on MONDAY NIGHT WARS II i think the only winner here is the fans."“

It would be great for the fans, but is this truly Monday Night Wars II? Or is this a lesser product attempting to free load off of a more established company? Is TNA simply crashing the party hoping to pick up a few curiosity ratings? TNA hasn’t shown they’re worthy to be mentioned in the same breath as WWE, none the less compete head to head with them. Comparing TNA to the WWE is like comparing the WNBA to the NBA.

TNA doesn't quite have an army, they've got a small militia. It would be crazy for them to go up against a power like WWE at this developemental stage. It will only show their weaknesses. Hogan will peak some interest, but in the end it will set the company back further. Instead of establishing their own identity TNA is revisiting nostalgia land and trying to pass itself off as the new WWE.

“Finally Vince will have a run for his money and he can't turn the PG era off until his little wife is in congress.”

I don’t think it’s the PG era which is killing WWE programming. Remember the 80’s? We saw some of the best wrestling ever, under the PG banner. What hurts the current WWE product is its lackluster programming, poorly utilized talent and mediocre writing. Both companies TNA and WWE suffering from terrible direction. What irks me the most about TNA is that instead of trying to set themselves apart from WWE they’re continually trying to convince themselves that they’re in the same league, by putting out a similar, yet cheaper alternative. Until TNA finds its own identity its product will stink. What is missing from WWE is competition and motivation. Now with a the illusion of competition, WWE will likely get their act together, and place thought into their shows.

“PLEASE TNA STRIKE WHILE THE GIANT IS WEAK, YOUR THE LITTLE COMPANY CAN DO IT,

Remember the story Jack and the Bean Stalk? Never awake a sleeping giant. Winners step up their game when there’s competition, and Vince knows that. We’ll see a tremendous improvement in the WWE product. Vince won’t take TNA lightly. Further, we’ll see new talent given the opportunity to shine, and old talent retooled. If this helps anyone its WWE.

TNA HAS THE BETTER "WRESTLERS"

That’s not true. If you combine the ECW, Smackdown , and RAW rosters and put that up against TNA then you’re completely wrong. In fact it’s not even close. Granted the TNA knockout division is the best women’s division in wrestling. That being said, Ring of Honor has the best tag team division by a long shot. Where TNA is superior to the WWE is its cruiserweight division (X division) only because it’s non existent in WWE.

I’d love to see TNA succeed. However, the truth of the matter is ,at this stage TNA is nothing more than the WWE’s afterbirth. The best thing TNA can do is let to sleeping giant rest while building up a strong edgy alternative which may not outdraw WWE, but is respected by the fans and the industry. ROH was able to do it with less resources. Image if the people at ROH had the resources that TNA had. ROH would be leaps and bounds ahead of the train wreck which is the current TNA product. TNA is simply a wannabe contender with a glass jaw and no track record to back up their mouth. Dragging out a washed up old relic of the past doesn’t make you on par with an established company such as WWE. One heavy punch from WWE and TNA is shattered. TNA has only gotten to this point because the WWE has allowed them to. You can’t win a bike race with your training wheels still on.
 
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