Is Undertaker the Best Big Man Ever?

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Ask your favorite wrestler who the greatest big man is & they'll tell you it's The Undertaker & not Vader!

People in the business will say Taker.

Hell Matt Morgan just the other day said Taker was BEST OF ALL TIME when it comes to big men!

Taker's #1

Sorry all you Vader marks you LOSE!

Taker wins!

Why don't you tell us why Undertaker is the best big man ever and then we can tell you why he is or isn't? Because I would take Vader and Hogan over Undertaker. I already explained my reasons and now it is time to explain yours.

 

[IrishCanadian25]

undertaker used to be amazing he aint no more, jus like hogan, & flair, he killed his own name, whn undertaker was amercan bad ass was tha last time we seen a good healthy undertaker. tha dude has been wrestling to long its done wore his body down, i understand he a ledgend but do u remember how good hogan look in 2004 compared to undertaker now. he been diven a back seat ride on wwe, he jus a name they bring up eva siw months now, when he used to be a crowd sell out now he jus a gimmik eater. he might have done made enough to live off so jus like rock an austin, hit hollywood before ur found dead in a hotel room tha dead man wlkin became tha dead man strollin,haha

I would like to take this opportunity to thank "King Ceasar" for reminding us why it is important not to do drugs at an early age.

The Undertaker has not tarnished his name at all. People still WANT to see him. People still PAY to see him. Despite being older, slower, and a touch more injury prone, he is still relevant, and is still one of the smartest guys who can get into the ring. Backstage, he is the most respected talent in the company, and that is indisputable.

I'd respond to the rest of your post, but sadly, it is not written in English, and I am not fluent enough in gibberish to be able to make a further reponse worthy of my reputation.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

tha undertaker aint had a solid fued on smackdown for idk how long. tha only reason he a headliner wut he did in his prime. dont get me wrong undertakers great an he was my favortie at a time but i hate seeing him out off shape like that. eva body knos taker dont have it no more. he like ric now

Undertaker doesn't have it anymore. That is absolutely ridiculous. Some of his best matches have come in the past three or four years and that is amazing for somebody his age. Let's look at some of his solid feuds on Smackdown: Edge last year, Kennedy in 2006, and Orton in 2005. He is still a main attraction whenever he wrestles and people want to see him so he is alright. He is injury prone but he is not out of shape.

 

[Canadian Knight]

I don't think so. Of course it all depends on who the Best Big Man Ever means. Yeah Undertaker is big agile and fast, plus one of the best gimmicks ever. He has fought people from Bret Hart to HHH but this is also about drawing them in. Andre the Giant was a big attraction in his day and everyone loved him. He was one of the reasons why the WWE exists today, remember when they say one of the greatest matches was Andre vs Hogan at Wrestlemania. Undertaker's matches at Wrestlemania is about his winning streak at Wrestlemania.

 

[Wasim Perviz]

I would say Undertaker is one of the best big men ever if not the best. He also is a dam good main eventer but not the best ever but maybe one of the best today. When he is booked into a main event you know as a fan you are going to get your moneys worth.

 

[RH23]

Undertaker is amazing and is arguably the best big man ever. He is such a good wrestler and he is able to do so much in the ring; even though he is so big he can do a lot of things that big guys can't normally do. Plus his gimmick is one of the best we've ever had the privilege to watch.

 

[SSJPhenom]

I would like to take this opportunity to thank "King Ceasar" for reminding us why it is important not to do drugs at an early age.

I wanted to thank him too, just didn't get around to it.

The Undertaker has not tarnished his name at all. People still WANT to see him. People still PAY to see him. Despite being older, slower, and a touch more injury prone, he is still relevant, and is still one of the smartest guys who can get into the ring. Backstage, he is the most respected talent in the company, and that is indisputable.

WOW!!! You are defending 'Taker? Although I enjoy reading great things about 'Taker, I expected to get half way through your post and read something about Vader. So you do agree that people still WANT to see him. People still PAY to see him. That he is still relevant and that he is the most respected talent in the WWE. Well the man has been at it for almost 20 years and is still going strong. So with all that in mind, doesn't that mean that he is, not only the best big man ever, but one of THE BEST EVER?

I'd respond to the rest of your post, but sadly, it is not written in English, and I am not fluent enough in gibberish to be able to make a further reponse worthy of my reputation.

Why do you think that I didn't respond to his post? I had to read your response to it to understand what he was saying. Kinda discredits him before he even makes a point.

 

[SavageTaker]

I don’t think anyone can deny that The Undertaker is a good Big Man. What we were denying was the fact that he you said he is the best one. He’s definitely one of the best, top 10 for sure, but he is not the best. He is still one of the best nonetheless. I also don’t think anyone can deny the fact that people still want to watch The Undertaker wrestle for the WWE. People stay their hard earned money to see him and he is one of the reasons many people buy Wrestlemania. He is, not he might be, but he is the most respected member of the WWE roster and there are countless interviews of people who have stated that. So, no one can deny that either. He is the most respected member of the WWE roster, he might be someone who people still pay to see, and he might still be relevant, but I still don’t think he is one of the biggest Big Man ever. He’s one of the best just not THE best. I think it has already been made clear that he isn’t the best and we have given tons of evidence of that. You can continue believing he is the best all you want and we’ll continue believing he isn’t.

 

[Save Me Y2J]

So i see a fight here taking place on whos the better big man between taker and vader....now here's my take on it....i hope my opinion would be considered nicely and i hope i am not bashed for it ...

1.As far as wrestling ability goes....both are extremely good at it...but the fact remains that vader used more agile moves because his character allowed him to use all kinds of moves whereas taker can only use moves which goes well with his character or gimmic watever you would like to call it....for eg...tombstone,chokeslam,hell's gate etc all moves go well with taker's character....and if ur talking about agility...you never know who is more agile....because taker was never allowed to use all the moves he could.....

2. Now about saying who is more famous...then hands down to the undertaker....I live in middle east but i belong to the subcontinent....and if you see the fan following of the undertaker...it easily leaves hogan also behind him...he is indeed the most famous wrestler in the sub continent and the middle east...and the population counts up to (150 crores,1 crore = 10 million)....so you cannot discount this fan following from the undertaker...

I am not saying that the Undertaker is better than Vader or vice versa....We all should be happy that we have got these legends whose work we have enjoyed for decades....they represent a community in wrestling "The Big Men"...Its hard for us to decide who is Number 1 or whose not because every1 has different take on each subject...but it will be a wise movement if we select Taker as the main representative of the community because of his huge fan following...

So according to me...they all are number 1 in their own rights because no one is perfect...Vader has an edge over taker in high flying moves while taker has an edge over taker in gimmick...so they all have some high points and some low points if compared to each other but we ultimately cant decide who is no.1

So for me they all are number 1....Thats my take....

 

[owenhartfan]

WOW what an awesome read this was!

Not really much left to say that wasn't already said and debated over and over. My personal favorite big men are Taker, Bam Bam and Vader. If you argue inring abilities I think it would be inaccurate to say Taker was better then Bam Bam or Vader. From what i've seen I would say Bam Bam was the most skilled "big man" inring worker in wrestling. One thing that can't be denied is that Taker's the most successful big man and has most likely made the most money out of all the other big men. Was Andre and Yoko considered super heavyweight? I think I may have missed that piece.

 

[IrishCanadian25]

WOW!!! You are defending 'Taker? Although I enjoy reading great things about 'Taker, I expected to get half way through your post and read something about Vader.

I made my point about Vader, and I think I made it crystal clear. I can always elaborate, but I didn't see the need to keep going.

And of course I defended Undertaker. As I've maintained throughout this entire thread, I am not a Taker-hater. I respect the man, and I've been an on-again, off-again fan. Anyone who claims he's washed up or that he's no good anymore is delusional. He's terrific. Not the best big-man ever, but certainly should be in just about every top-5 and most top-3's.

So you do agree that people still WANT to see him.

Yes. Though that number decreases each year.

People still PAY to see him.

Not him alone, but they pay to see a show with him on it.

That he is still relevant and that he is the most respected talent in the WWE.

No question.

Well the man has been at it for almost 20 years and is still going strong. So with all that in mind, doesn't that mean that he is, not only the best big man ever, but one of THE BEST EVER?

Key words - one of. Yes in both cases. One of the best big men ever. One of the best ever, overall.

Why do you think that I didn't respond to his post? I had to read your response to it to understand what he was saying. Kinda discredits him before he even makes a point.

With all due respect, there've been a few posters who were just like him but the opposite take. "Undertarkrz the best he is the dead man he can nevvr die he feelz no pain REST IN PEACE!" So don't think the poor posting of someone against you proves your point.

 

[SSJPhenom]

I made my point about Vader, and I think I made it crystal clear. I can always elaborate, but I didn't see the need to keep going.

Yes, your point on Vader was made loud and clear. You think that he is the best big man and I happen to think that Undertaker is. Really nothing else to be said about that.

And of course I defended Undertaker. As I've maintained throughout this entire thread, I am not a Taker-hater. I respect the man, and I've been an on-again, off-again fan. Anyone who claims he's washed up or that he's no good anymore is delusional. He's terrific. Not the best big-man ever, but certainly should be in just about every top-5 and most top-3's.

I agree that no one should claim that 'Taker is washed up and I am glad that you respect 'Taker, because he is one that has really earned it. I happen to think that if I made a list right now on my top big men, 'Taker would top it. I'm sorry, but I have to stick with the Dead Man.

Yes. Though that number decreases each year.

I can tell you now and I can speak for alot of people that I know. Undertaker is the only reason that alot of people watch SD. I happen to think that without 'Taker, or without the chance of fans being super excited to see his return, that SD would fade off the map and become more and more like ECW.

Not him alone, but they pay to see a show with him on it.

If 'Taker hadn't have been involved in WM this year, I would have been very uninterested in the show itself.

No question.

Right.

Key words - one of. Yes in both cases. One of the best big men ever. One of the best ever, overall.

No no no. I was saying that he was one of the best ever overall, I actually said that he was the best big man ever, though.

With all due respect, there've been a few posters who were just like him but the opposite take. "Undertarkrz the best he is the dead man he can nevvr die he feelz no pain REST IN PEACE!" So don't think the poor posting of someone against you proves your point.

I said what I said because it was a horrible post. Not because he was against me. If you look earlier in the thread, I criticized someone who was for 'Taker for having such a horrible post and asked that person not to help at all.

 

[I Beat Dan Gable]

I preferred his work as Mean Mark Callas when he was with Dangerous Dan Spivey as the tag team the Skywalkers. Undertaker is OK, but Andre The Giant was the best big man of all time.

 

[Billie Jean]

I say yes. He isnt just the best bigman wrestler ever he is the most reconizible. I think he is the best big man ever becuase of what a man his size can do in the ring and what eh can do is simply phenonimal. Look at WM25, not that took fitness and athletisim.

 

[Steve001]

I'll start by saying firstly that I do not dislike the 'Taker, but there are other candidates that deserve a look in too...

Leon 'Vader' White: This is a man who rocked the house in WCW in the early 90's and also drew huge money in Japan for many years. Big Leon genuinely had a fearsome reputation and drew big money everywhere he went. He could really work for a big guy. That is, until Vince McMahon got his hands on him in 1996. Vader had a good debut on WWF TV by beating the shit out of then "Commissioner" Gorilla Monsoon, It was an exciting start...But soon afterwards, Vader would be figuratively castrated by HBK and others. In 1997's IYH Cold Day In Hell PPV, He had a tough, realistic scrap with Ken Shamrock that tore the house down, proving he could still go. By 1998 he was wrestling TAFKA Goldust at the Royal Rumble in an interminable feud, and wasting air time with Bradshaw...Vinnie Mac really dropped the ball with this guy. After his release, he went back to Japan and drew more HUGE money with top stars over there....

Ray 'Big Boss Man' Traylor: Boss Man, for a guy his size was an incredible worker for his time! Early on in his career, whilst still green he was thrown in the deep end in a feud with Dusty Rhodes...He excelled and caught the eye of the WWF. Was the WWF interested in a big man who wrestle!? You betcha!...He drew good money with Hogan in a main event feud in '88 and '89...Became a Babyface mid-card draw later on for the WWF and had good matches with Bam Bam Bigelow and others...But...Traylor was another victim of hard working big man syndrome. Injuries piled up and by early '98 he was a glorified jobber in WCW and later that year the WWF.

Even though these two didn't have the longevity of the 'Taker, I believe overall they were much better in-ring Wrestlers in their respective primes.

However, as a drawcard for the masses, Undertaker is right up there amongst the best.

Isn't it funny though that in this era of 'drug testing' in the WWE certain main event talent can remain massively muscular and/or way into their 40's, some guys can look more ripped and chiseled than they were in their prime!!? I firmly believe that 'Taker is on the gear...Not that I think there's anything really wrong with that, but it clearly contributes to his on going, sporadic good in-ring appearances....