Is TNA trying Too Hard to Bash WWE?

[Kaneanite]

I honestly couldn't care less about TNA. I'm not trying to get its fans with their pantys all in a bunch and crying over this thread. So let me speak unbiasedly here.

When it comes to company-bashing, again, why would I care? If one show is shitting on a show that I watch I really don't care... I know it's business and either way I'm going to watch so who cares. However, what I'm saying is, could bashing WWE actually be bad business? You'd think it would be a good idea for TNA to go after WWE and bash it all it could to try and convince anyone out there to watch it and get it viewers simply based off the fact that it's challenging the big bad WWE. However, I think it's kind of overkill, isn't it? I mean I'm reading on WZ that they pretty much came almost the exact same promos for Sting as WWE did for Undertaker with the whole date showing on the screen with the rain, boots, etc etc. Ok, fine. But then the dude comes out and talks about "other offers" and how he's "dedicated to TNA" blah blah praising the entire locker room and all that shit. I mean, it was pretty much a promo about the WWE without actually saying "WWE".

Doesn't that seem a little... much? Maybe not, but nevertheless I'm always reading about how TNA is throwing jabs left and right at WWE and yet at the same time I'm reading things like Micky James, a TNA superstar and former WWE, praising the Rock and his return... haha. I watched TNA once a few weeks ago and it seemed like every sentence that Tazz spoke was bashing WWE. I've always hated him, even with he was with the E, found that kind of funny.

Look, I like TNA. I wish I was able to watch it but my schedule halts me from being able to do so. I'm a MASSIVE Kurt Angle fan, I respect the abilities of Styles, I used to be a big fan of the Hardyz (though... I kind of hate them now), Abyss is awesome, and call them old if you want but Flair, Hogan, Sting, etc are just great to have around (at least during the show).

I also agree 100% with Hogan's comments about The Rock and his return.

So anyway, do you think TNA's constant bashing of WWE is actually bad business for TNA?

 

[Rayne]

TNA is always going to be 2nd best, so long as they keep inviting comparisons to the WWE. Why can't they just focus on what *they're* doing? The WWE potshots aren't doing anything for TNA; as far as I can tell, all they do is give Zeven_Zion a stiffy.

Look around these boards if you want an anecdotal example. God only knows how many times I've been discussing TNA, without mentioning a breath about the WWE; it seems half of the time, I have to ask people why they're discussing WWE with me when I never brought it up. It happens all of the time; you can't criticize anything TNA does without three people calling you a WWE mark and responding "but the WWE does...."

TNA has little brother syndrome, bad. Until they start focusing on what they're doing, and stop asking people to compare them to the WWE, they are going to stay the little brother too.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

Bashing the other company never works. I don't care if it's WWF using "The Nacho King" and "The Hukster," all the way down to WCW's failed attempt at diminishing Mick Foley's championship win back in 1999 (which really backfired and hurt WCW much more than it helped).

Does it offend me? No, not at all. I think it's petty, and unnecessary, but it doesn't anger me. I think TNA should probably stop doing it because it makes them look foolish. They are playing to the 63 people in the Impact Zone, and it looks cheap.

But this is Bischoff 101. He did the same shit in WCW, only difference being, WCW was much further ahead than TNA is now. When you only have around 1,000 people in attendance, and WWE is more than doubling your television rating, you look stupid. But, Controversy Creates Cash, no?

 

[Jason Scene]

Yes, it's obvious. When the place first opened they began. They continued and persisted. Remember the VKM, Voodoo Kin Mafia? Same initials as Vincent Kennedy McMahon. I remember they called out any WWE wrestler to an actual fight, they even offered DX half a million to show up on TNA.

It's like The Miz coming out every Monday Night and calling out John Cena, and when Cena shows no interest and doesn't appear, Miz claims victory when everyone knew he was just being a tool.

TNA is the same. Constantly calling WWE out, prodding at WWE, yet they have a knack of using a hell of a lot of WWE's old angles. Example, Mick Foley Vs Flair. WWE know well that TNA can't touch them, Vince McMahon considers TNA inferior, and rightfully so.

WWE have taken a jab at TNA once, and it wasn't even them. It was somebody who worked for them, for 6 freakin' years.

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But hey, only hurts TNA. And whatever brings the death quicker, is all good with me.

 

[Long Island Iced D]

if they had a large fan base and were putting up at least a little competition, they deserve the right to bash them. back in the monday night wars era the wcw and wwf were doing everything they could to bash the other company. but the fact that wwe doesnt even acknowledge tna shows they could care less about there shots and that tna is inferior and means nothing. makes them look much weaker.

 

[Dowdsy McDowds]

But then the dude comes out and talks about "other offers" and how he's "dedicated to TNA" blah blah praising the entire locker room and all that shit. I mean, it was pretty much a promo about the WWE without actually saying "WWE".

If you remember when Christian came to TNA, he came across as quite glad to be in a company where he could climb the ladder as it were and seemed to have a few choice words about WWE too. Did he believe it himself? Maybe. Did the fans? Definitely! They went wild!

I agree in the sense that they really need to cut down on the non-sensical little jibes at WWE, but I dont mind when a guy such as Anderson delivers a promo that mentions difficulties he had either "in the past" or "with another company" as he knows that some people will understand his frustration connected with his time in WWE. He shouldn't be mentioning it that often though as it will make people discuss his time there rather than where he is right now.

I think if they just allude to WWE without necessarily criticizing it for use in promos to get the person connected with the fans then that's fine. WWE is sometimes the elephant in the room, what with a lot of talent having been there at one time or another. It should never be the focus of something TNA is doing, the VKM was a great example; all it did was shift focus not on what they were doing now, but on where they had been and had had there most successful run. That was a huge mistake. Fair enough they felt aggrieved due to their connection with DX, but airing grievances on TV like that rarely does any good.

I'm still hoping TNA can one day make the best use of it's talent, but it needs to just have tunnel vision from now on with regards to WWE and just ignore whatever the hell they are doing. TNA should be an alternative to WWE, not a reminder of WWE.

 

[c-note]

it does nothing good for tna...i was actually a tna fan way back when they were doing their own thing and were pushing guys like samoa joe, styles, abyss, and "tna" guys..now all tna has become is a ground for ppl who used to work for wwe taking the shine away from anybody original, and in the process bad mouth everything about the wwe....if tna wants to succeed, they should worry about what theyre doing, not wwe, and not push 51 year olds as the "big thing" and win the title, not saying why theyre better than the e or why they suck, like said above, it makes them look petty...

 

[TheHitMark-SirJoseOle]

I think the TNA 3-3-11 video was horrendous. Just because it played on the whole suspicion of the 2-21-11 return of the Undertaker and was a reference to Sting not going to WWE after all. Most of the time I give TNA the benefit of the doubt on things but this is not one of those times. I really could care less what either program is doing. It doesn't matter to me. Most aspects of today's wrestling are all a self parody and there are very few things that get me excited right now, however I am looking forward to Undertaker vs Triple H at WM XXVII. However getting back to TNA bashing WWE.

Well, the thing is when WWF was struggling in the 90s they were taking every turn to demean WCW and when the WWF was REALLY REALLY taking a backseat to WCW there was no better example of acknowledging the competition than by having a midget Bret Hart come out and stamping a nametag with WCW right on the midget's behind.

Yes it was funny and yes it was effective in planting the seeds for what was going to eventually become the Attitude era which ended up reversing WWF's fortunes but the fact is WWF/E in no way is a company that's innocent of what many accuse TNA of doing and that's making name mention of the competition. When they were doing even worse the Ted Turner skits while amusing were far worse than anything TNA is doing today. If anyone here remembers that era of the WWF they were actually attacking Ted Turner more than anything bringing up controversies about him through their parody skits and what not, while I have seen Vince McMahon spoofs on TNA's TV shows, I have never heard the company bring up Vince's dirty laundry in his personal life. And trust me there's plenty of it, while Vince was never convicted for any crimes he's had his dealings with controversy and embarrassments from sexual assault charges to steroid scandals and sexual misconduct of his employees. TNA could have a field day with the stuff said about Vince and while I admit he was not found guilty of those things, many people on the internet believe more far fetched things about other wrestling personalities and are quick to condemn those people on what is just outright rumor and nothing more. So while WWF has never had any shame in making Ted Turner out to look like an outright buffoon, TNA to their credit has never tried to outright attack Vince McMahon the person, while they have in my opinion horribly recreated certain storylines and ideas they've kept it at just that.

So yes TNA's bashing of WWE is stupid, but WWE is by no means an innocent company just go back to the 90s and you'll see just that. While I'll admit in the end WWE has been more effective as a company and has stood the test of times, they've pulled some petty things that most fans who either because they are too young to remember or just have selective memories won't tell you about.

 

[XgringolocoX]

I've said this on the forums before. TNA needs to quit trying to compete with WWE and just concentrate on being the best TNA they can be. IGNORE WWE, they don't matter.
The only thing TNA is accomplishing by WWE bashing is letting everyone know that they KNOW they're 2nd best...and a distant 2nd at that.
In the same realm is the HUGE SURPRISE announcements. I mean really, does anyone believe that TNA is going to shock and amaze us? Really? TNA needs to cut that shit out too.
Concentrate on getting your talented roster some good workable storylines and a broader platform for them to showcase. Don't worry about the WWE, they're not worried about TNA.

 

[Karaoke Superstar]

I also agree 100% with Hogan's comments about The Rock and his return.

So anyway, do you think TNA's constant bashing of WWE is actually bad business for TNA?

I agree with Mark Madden when he said, that TNA making fun of WWE is like the bug making fun of the windshield. The 2/21/11 promos got a lot of people talking. And instead of coming up with something original, TNA had to bottomfeed off the scraps of what WWE done, and while their nibbling on that chicken bone, they're mocking the people who threw it away. Doesn't hurt WWE any, their promo already got more out of Sting than TNA's will without even signing him. To answer your question it would be bad business, if they were a good business in the first place.

I disagree with Hogan about The Rock's promo. Did you see Cena's response? The Rock, Cena and Vince know better than to let the top star get buried. And knew that promo would get people on Cena's side as well.

 

[thegreekhero]

I agree with Karoake. Thursday night when I saw that promo, I was just so dissappointed.

I think the reason that the 3.3.11 promo was at the VERY END was because TNA knew if they showed it right at the beginning, veiwers would turn off their TVs at the dissappointment. TNA needs a creative team make over.

And about the Rock/Cena, Hogan is wrong. The whole reason for Rock to do that promo was for Cena to come back with his rap and get alot more fans back on his side. The Rock and Cena are fueding so that The Rock can pass the torch down to John Cena.

 

[achromat666]

Someone else on here mentioned the Voodoo Kin Mafia and they're attempts to goad the WWE by calling out HHH and HBK by their real names daring them to appear on their show. This is a classic example of how this doesn't work, and how TNA is shooting themselves in the foot by giving WWE more credit.

To start, this didn't work when Russo, Bischoff and company were doing it in WCW. The wretched impression of a Bell's Palsy ridden JR, The Book as well as Juvi doing his awful impression as the juice, and numerous others didn't do WCW any favors. It just drew attention to the WWE. Bischoff and crew had money and tried every trick in the book to use it to keep the Monday Night Wars going and finally beat WWE at its own game. And for a while it did work, minus the examples mentioned, but WCW killed itself.

And just so everyone's clear, TNA is not WCW. I know Bischoff, Russo and Hogan wish it weren't true, but there it is. So minus the money, prestige, worldwide attention, and audience all of the plagarisms and imitation only shows the glaring deficiencies in their own product. So next can we expect to see some new must see champion with an apprentice that Tenay will think is the greatest thing since sliced bread while praising him and getting involved in matches? Maybe a bunch of rookies will come in and take over and split into 2 factions? Actually that sounds vaguely like the NWO which they've already done. Badly.

For my part, Hogan had it completely wrong, and wouldn't know a thing about putting others over, as he hasn't done it in years. The Rock did what he was asked to do, and did it as well as he's ever done it. Hasn't been on TV since, and is still drawing attention, which draws attention to Miz, Cena, and WM27. Furthermore the Rock has at no point been unwilling to put other talent over. Cena came back with his retort which is one of the few times I've cared about what he had to say, and Miz is trying to use it to push himself which is what a heel champ should do.

Did it reveal issues about the current roster's inability to cut promos? Yes, but it also raised Cena's game in the respect. And drew heat for the Miz. Which was the point.

Name the last time Hogan has put someone else over in a promo, or really put someone else over in a match. Remember that this is the man that couldn't do it when they were pushing it as an angle in WCW against a far more talented Billy Kidman. Also remember my earlier mention of WCW's demise and Hogan's contributions to that end.

I bring up both points because they're tied to the topic: TNA can't continue putting the WWE over by trying to copy angles badly. They're not WCW, and it's not helping. They can't be WWE at their own game, so they should focus on their own.

 

[Shakin' Abe]

I thought the Sting vignette was an awesome response to the WWE. We all know Vince took a chance and it could have gone either way, Undertaker or Sting, or that's at least what he wanted us to think. With Sting coming back to TNA it makes a good statement for the Company, no matter what Sting's reasons are. Competition is greatly needed in the wrestling business. We the fans suffer when it's not there because the writers get lazy and the talent can only do so much to keep things interesting.

 

[ilapierre]

TNA bashes WWE because they are trying to provoke WWE to make WWE more mainstream again. They are trying to get wrestling business to improve. The stronger the WWE is the stronger TNA is. TNA is not competing with WWE, they will always be
second fiddle but there is a market to grow and TNA can grow if WWE does better business. So by 'bashing' WWE, TNA is improving the chances WWE takes notice and does something about their product and TNA is also improving its own chances of making more money in the future with a stronger overall business. It's a very intelligent business strategy to do anything possible, even motivate so called competition to put out a better product. WWE is going all out to please its fans for the first time in 7 years and The Rock is back. Once the wrestling business is strong like it used to be almost a decade ago, then TNA will have the opportunity to sway the 'johnny come lately' viewers to watch their product and then the competition begins. Right now, TNA's just biding its time, putting out an average to below average product and trying to provoke WWE, the trendsetter, to popularize wrestling again for the mainstream.

Btw, the OP couldn't care less about TNA but a few paragraphs later likes TNA? That doesn't make any sense. How do you like something you could care less about?

 

[CrayzChris]

Absolutely....TNA has to start looking at themselves as number one!! No one will take TNA seriously, until TNA takes themselves seriously.

When Mick Foley debuted in TNA, for example...

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Go to the 7:30 Mark in this video....And tell me WHAT EXACTLY this does to put over TNA?

TNA is notorious for things like this. It has been non-stop since TNA started. You can bash the WWE all you want, but at the end of the day, they are number one. So all the pot shots and cheap shots and references are meaningless...because the WWE win where it matters...the bank. TNA constantly mentioning the WWE or making reference to their product, just makes TNA seem pathetic. Maybe they should stop watching the WWE shows, and focus on their own product. I guarentee that Vince McMahon is NOT sitting in his office in CT, watching Impact!

TNA officials should be watching tapes of their own product, and trying to make it better.

 

[H33LTurn]

Yes, definately. To put it simply, you can count the number or times WWE has ever made reference to TNA on one hand while all TNA does is constantly remind people of the competition. They try so hard to put down WWE's stories, which is something stupid to do when they theyre ratings cant even be compared to WWE's. If they want to succeed as a company they need to forget about what WWE is doing and focus on their own product.

As far as Hogan's comments about The Rock's return, does anyone honestly believe that The Rock's comments have the ability to shake the foundation of Cena's fan following? Hogan is acting as if WWE completely murdered Cena's career by having The Rock poke a couple jokes at Cena's character. If all Cena had to his name were the color of his shirt and the phrase "you cant see me", then Hogan would be right, but thats not the case at all.

 

[johnseamann]

Long ago, Steve Jobs said that "for Apple to win Microsoft didn't have to lose." I think TNA should take some of that philosophy, and try to up their game disregarding the WWE at all.

 

[3/4 Facelock]

TNA bashes WWE because they are trying to provoke WWE to make WWE more mainstream again. They are trying to get wrestling business to improve. The stronger the WWE is the stronger TNA is. TNA is not competing with WWE, they will always be
second fiddle but there is a market to grow and TNA can grow if WWE does better business. So by 'bashing' WWE, TNA is improving the chances WWE takes notice and does something about their product and TNA is also improving its own chances of making more money in the future with a stronger overall business. It's a very intelligent business strategy to do anything possible, even motivate so called competition to put out a better product. WWE is going all out to please its fans for the first time in 7 years and The Rock is back. Once the wrestling business is strong like it used to be almost a decade ago, then TNA will have the opportunity to sway the 'johnny come lately' viewers to watch their product and then the competition begins. Right now, TNA's just biding its time, putting out an average to below average product and trying to provoke WWE, the trendsetter, to popularize wrestling again for the mainstream.

Btw, the OP couldn't care less about TNA but a few paragraphs later likes TNA? That doesn't make any sense. How do you like something you could care less about?

Delusional. Pure delusional. If you honestly believe that's TNA's marketing plan then I must request that you turn in your wrestling fan card because that has to be the craziest thing I have read on WZ in at least a month. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but goddamn.

Now, to address the topic: If you watch TNA, you probably also watch WWE. If you only watch TNA or only watch WWE, then you are doing yourself a disservice. Both programs have excellent segments. TNA can make fun of WWE all it wants, but the problem is that TNA does it too often. A little here or a little there can be tolerated/overlooked, but when it is done at this frequency it is overkill.

Is TNA a company or is TNA a parody of the WWE?

 

[The Suplexer Perfecter]

Reminds me when Tommy Dreamer was complaining how in the WWE ECW all his friends were fired. Even though WWE didn't have to sign people like Balls Mahoney, and that they were probably given the best paychecks they were ever given.

Oh and where are all your ECW friends now Tommy?

TNA is just trying to be cool and insult the vastly bigger company, even though WWE could care less.

This isn't like WWF/WCW when they were in legit competition. TNA tried going head to head, look what happened.

 

[Prince Punk]

Honestly TNA is going to be in the wrestling history books under "what not to do when running a wrestling company" Another thread on here is talking about the TNA Roster and how each company (WWE,ROH) have their own thing going on. TNA however has a Roster a damn good one too. However they waste it.. Then they use the same tactics WCW did.

First off WCW collapsed on itself using these same tactics... THAT alone should be enough to move along and go about your day... However TNA needs more help understanding....

Second. WCW was already BEATING the WWE in ratings when they were doing this. They already had the edge and just wanted more! To keep people from switching back and forth.

Third WCW had Turner money... BIG UNLIMITED BUDGET.

Fourth WCW was first to go LIVE which currently Raw is live while TNA is taped.. So not only are they using left over ideas they are a scrub team trying to pass themselves off as the Major Leagues! Bashing the competition can be a "decent" move if you are at least on par with them. Honestly I think ECW (the real one not VKM's reincarnation) at it's peak could have taken TNA in it's little Bingo hall. As the Impact zone is FREE! You don't know what kind of crowed you will get or if they will know the product...

So attempting to play the big bad wrestling organization when you are not just makes you look like a tool. TNA is a sinking ship and I wish they would just sign someone heavy so they can sink it a little quicker...

 

[daby]

The 3.03.11 promo has Bischoff written all over it. I loved the jab they took at all the crap of the IWC. It reminds of many crazy things that Bischoff did back in WCW with every ocassion.

 

[dansaun77]

TNA are continually burying themselves. Thye have all this talent and all these guys who have made money in the business, yet cannot put a dent in WWE at every corner. Sure TNA have a superior tag team division, WWE dont have a tag team division. Nobody really cares about womens wrestling. But TNA storylines continue to be non-sensical. TNA need to ignore WWE and solely concentrate on present ing the best damn television they possibly can. Use the Hogans and Flairs etc to get other sover, not for their own vested interest. If there ego is too big, get rid of them. Vince doesnt want them, let them fade away into oblivion. TNA nedd to stop acknowledging WWE and just make their own history. I guarantee Angle will be leaving this year, and then all that will be left in TNA are the washed up guiys WWE do not want or the home grown TNA guys who are never going to be top stars.

 

[ilapierre]

That's right everyone. 3/4 Facelock says i'm delusional and 3/4 Facelock knows everything. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but god damn it better not be one that's the complete opposite of 3/4 Facelock's or your just completely delusional..

WWE loving smarks all think the same way. They all have the same thought patterns. Sure they argue a bit about specifics, sure they say there's some good things about TNA, but most of them are all in agreement of what they hate and what they can't understand with their simple little PG minds. What's so delusional about saying that perhaps Eric Bischoff and company might have a marketing strategy that the average WWE loving idiot doesn't understand? I don't know if that's even really the case, just thought it sounded better than all the recycling of boring ass anti TNA posts.

It bugs me how posters like 3/4 Facelock act like they have inside knowledge on who wrote what or who was behind what storyline. They believe they have enough 'inside knowledge' from watching 'both programs' so much that TNA's business plan has absolutely nothing to do with pushing WWE into improving the overall state of wrestling. When i was in a rational state long before 3/4 diagnosed me as delusional, I did read Eric Bischoff in two interviews from 2009/2010 say that this was TNA's long term goal. So i'm delusional and all the Bischoff hating smarks are rational. Ok then.

What i'd have to say is more delusional is a poster like 3/4 Facelock following me around the forums claiming everything i say is delusional because i made him look like a monkey on one of these threads a few months ago..just because someone says something a little out of step or against the grain of simple minded thinking doesn't mean it's completely wrong. Maybe i'm completely off base with my argument, it's a long shot perhaps, but why not throw it out there. You think i'm delusional because i try to find another way of looking at something that's been written off by a bunch of smarks saying the exact same thing over and OVER and over again for months and years now. I just find it gets a bit boring to listen to, i feel like perhaps there's another way to look at it. We're all fans, we all know what we like and don't like but we really don't know shit about the inside workings of the wrestling business so why pretend here like some smarky jackass? I know nothing about the business side of wrestling, but most of you likely don't either so how can you really say my statement is delusional without any real wrestling business knowledge?

And could somebody please tell me how anyone can 'like' TNA yet not care less about TNA. I'm still trying to figure out such contradictory statements and i'm having such a hard time in my delusional anti anti tna bashing state of mind.

 

[Defekt]

I don't think TNA bashing WWE hurts their business. If anything it probably helps because it gets people talking about them. I haven't watched Impact in weeks, but wanted to see the Sting promo, so I tuned in this Thursday.

TNA's horrendous booking and story lines hurt their business. And I say that as someone who desperately wants them to succeed, and greatly respects the talent they have on their roster.

 

[sfury2005]

I honestly couldn't care less about TNA. I'm not trying to get its fans with their pantys all in a bunch and crying over this thread. So let me speak unbiasedly here.

When it comes to company-bashing, again, why would I care? If one show is shitting on a show that I watch I really don't care... I know it's business and either way I'm going to watch so who cares. However, what I'm saying is, could bashing WWE actually be bad business? You'd think it would be a good idea for TNA to go after WWE and bash it all it could to try and convince anyone out there to watch it and get it viewers simply based off the fact that it's challenging the big bad WWE. However, I think it's kind of overkill, isn't it? I mean I'm reading on WZ that they pretty much came almost the exact same promos for Sting as WWE did for Undertaker with the whole date showing on the screen with the rain, boots, etc etc. Ok, fine. But then the dude comes out and talks about "other offers" and how he's "dedicated to TNA" blah blah praising the entire locker room and all that shit. I mean, it was pretty much a promo about the WWE without actually saying "WWE".

Doesn't that seem a little... much? Maybe not, but nevertheless I'm always reading about how TNA is throwing jabs left and right at WWE and yet at the same time I'm reading things like Micky James, a TNA superstar and former WWE, praising the Rock and his return... haha. I watched TNA once a few weeks ago and it seemed like every sentence that Tazz spoke was bashing WWE. I've always hated him, even with he was with the E, found that kind of funny.

Look, I like TNA. I wish I was able to watch it but my schedule halts me from being able to do so. I'm a MASSIVE Kurt Angle fan, I respect the abilities of Styles, I used to be a big fan of the Hardyz (though... I kind of hate them now), Abyss is awesome, and call them old if you want but Flair, Hogan, Sting, etc are just great to have around (at least during the show).

I also agree 100% with Hogan's comments about The Rock and his return.

So anyway, do you think TNA's constant bashing of WWE is actually bad business for TNA?

1st off the 3-3-11 video was totally different than the 2-21-11 ones only thing similar was the 3-3-11 at the end of it. The video shown was just like the ones they always use for his return all the way back to his "97" Starcade one in WCW. One person said it was basically the same one they've used for 4 years for his return just cut out the part showing his face. Also keep in mind Sting return videos have been using rain and a man in a long black cape since the 90's so was WWE copying Sting? As for a promo where he came out talking about other offers I have no clue what you're talking about. Unless you are talking about something that people read in spoilers there was no-one come out after the video and gave a promo.

Most angles have been done before anyway somewhere and someplace. Was everyone complaining about Vince copying WCW when he brought the Four Horsemen to WWE/F or NWO? or the invasion angle? When Rick Flair showed up with the WCW title showing it around it was all cool with the WWE fans? But everyone had a heart attack about Bret Hart maybe showing up with the WWE/F title in WCW and Madusa actually showing up with the WWE/F women's title in WCW.

As for the constant bashing by them on WWE I guess I don't notice it because I care so little about the WWE anyway. Now as Jason Scene brought up the part about the Voodoo Kin Mafia, I never put together the VKM part of it before, but never the less I thought the whole angle was stupid.. But wait didn't DX do the same thing to WCW back in the 90's? They showed up in a tank or something outside the arena and called out the NWO or something and that was so cool for WWE fans? So maybe it was more poking fun at WWE for doing it when Voodoo Kin Mafia did it, who knows.

Some hold TNA to a higher standard than they do WWE. Vince does it and it's cool but if TNA does it, its bad..

Vince and WWE always took jabs at WCW and vice-versa back in the 90's.

With TNA it might be a mistake because they are small and trying to draw WWE fans over to watch it on Thursdays. Why upset the fan base they are trying to bring in. For those like me that don't watch or care what WWE is doing it doesn't hurt them much but to gain in ratings they need WWE fans to start watching so maybe it should stop it.