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Is There Any TRUE Reason To Dislike John Cena?

There was a time when people looked up to stars... They would see talented men and women on tv and enjoy being entertained... I believe this is because they actually looked UP to them and understood that they were special people in special positions, because not just anybody could be a famous... That changed when reality televison convinced the public that any and everyone can be a star.... Now instead of appreciating a persons talent and looking up to them, people jealously think why couldn't that have been me... Just think about it... No one hated on Hogan but everyone cant stand Cena.... You can even see in other sports as where everybody wanted to "Be Like Mike" peple these days are grossly disguested every time LeBron does something wonderful on the court.
 
I don't like Cena-the-Wrestler mostly due to his inability to sell anything besides a water-bottle shot. I can overlook the other stuff people have mentioned for the exact reasons others have stated but I tire of 'Super Cena'.

Cena-the-IRL-human-being might be a cool guy, I dunno. I'd probably have a beer and some laughs with him given the opportunity but due to Super-No-Sell-Cena, I want Cena-the-Wrestler to get pulverized every Monday Night RAW!

It won't happen but I'd love for R-Truth to defeat him this Sunday.
 
1. He plays to the younger crowd too much.

So did Hulk Hogan, yet look at how many of us that grew up idolizing the guy still love him. I fail to see why it was ok for Hulk Hogan but not John Cena.

2. Five Moves Of Doom

Every wrestler has a handful of signature moves that they pull out in every match. Randy Savage, Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Shawn Michaels, Kurt Angle, The Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin, The Undertaker, AJ Styles, CM Punk, Rey Mysterio, John Morrison, Daniel Bryan, Shelton Benjamin, Randy Orton, Christian, Sheamus and I could go on. They all had/have their own "Five Moves of Doom" just as the guys who'll be superstars 10 years from now will. A lot of people that just plain hate Cena will hate him no matter what, even if they have to twist a well known commonality like all wrestlers having a handful of similar moves in order to make it fit their own logic.

3. Always has the title.

There are a lot of things wrong with this other very common argument. For one thing, John Cena spent most of 2010 and the first 4 months of 2011 without the WWE Championship. So he doesn't "always have the title". For another thing, John Cena is a legit big draw. He draws in viewers and has for better than half a decade. That means that John Cena makes money. Whether you want to watch him to cheer him or watch him in the hopes of him getting beaten, you watch him. As a result, it's perfectly legitimate that he should be at least within the title picture.

4. Supposedly undeserved face of WWE

As with a lot of arguments against the guy, there's little to no foundation for this common complaint. Cena works his ass off in his matches, delivers promos, is out there in the world promoting WWE 24/7. I mean, it's not like he's gotten busted for drug possession like Rob Van Dam or been named by Sports Illustrated as someone that was on a list of wrestlers said to have recieved steroids like Ken Anderson or is a confirmed drug addict with multiple drug felonies hanging over his head like Jeff Hardy. Can anybody say with a straight face that any of those three is more deserving than John Cena to be the "face" of a pro wrestling company that makes hundreds upon hundreds of millions of dollars a year?

5. He can't wrestle.

If your definition of "wrestle" is flipping and flopping all over the ring, leaping over the top rope in one suicide dive/high spot after another, sacrificing storytelling, basic selling of moves, in-ring psychology all for the purpose of merely squeezing in as many big spots as you can, then Cena can't wrestle.

It might sound like I'm a huge fan of Cena's but I'm really not. I like the guy alright, he does annoy me at times, but the guy does get a lot of unjustified and downright unreasonable hate sometimes.

Someone with some sense. I see why you have such a high reputation.
 
I can't stand cena for so many reasons.But one main reason is He is simply overrated.People talk about how cena is the face of company and blah blah blah...That might be true but that doesnt mean he needs to hog the main event wwe title picture.I mean guys like hhh,the rock,stone cold,shawn michaels,undertaker,batista,randy orton,edge... and i could keep going, all were in the main event to but they all took breaks and stayed away from the main events.Unlike cena who if he's not in the wwe title picture he's in the top storyline that usually takes way the importance of the wwe title picture.So my point is he needs to take a break and leave the main event for awhile.Also his character has grown so stale that its become so boring.Seriously i have hated cena since 2007 and hate him even more now.As far as his wrestling ability goes,yeah everyone has their moves they do in every match their in but the problem with cena is he makes those moves seem so superman like.I mean he gets beat up the entire f#cking match and then 5 mins before the match ends he gets up like he was superman without selling anything and he does his stupid 5 moves of doom and he wins.If he doesnt win its due to interference or dq.
And again there are more reasons why i hate cena and can't stand him.but I mean i respect the guy for his passion for the wwe because how cant u respect a guy for that
 
2. Five Moves of Doom
Like hes the only one... take HBK for example... in his last 10 years hes been doing this: gets beat up, comes back with an reverse atomic drop, flying forearm, diving elbow, sweet chin music. 4 MOVES. Yet they dont complain about that (exception because he is a legend?)

no no the exception is because unlike cena he actullay SOLD moves! cena gets his ass kicked then gets up like nothing happened hitting the 4 or 5 moves of doom (depending on if hes winning by submission tht time) while hbk would sell moves and another thing HBK could make ANYBODY look good in a match hell he got a good match out of fucking vader back in the day and in his book he said that was 1 of the hardest people to get a good match out of the fact tht ur comparing the greatest wrestler to ever step into a ring for any company ever to the yabba dabba bitch is just fucked up u should b ashamed of urself for tht also triple h had the title alot back in the day because hes GOOD in the ring not great but good...also for awhile during tht time he was leading 1 of the most dominant stables ever in wrestling but i dont rember triple h ever being champ for a whole fucking year like cena has in the past! i HATE cena because he never sells any moves (besides when nexus debuted and beat the shit out of him) his jokes on the mic r pretty stupid and he sucks in the ring hes never had more then 5 moves of doom EVER! BUT i will give the guy sum credit....hes not AS BAD as randy orton! atleast cena will put over guys at times unlike orton and cena doesnt go crying and bitching to triple h when he doesnt get his own way (perfect example orton bitched to vince & triple h about going to smackdown so to shut him up they screw over christian) bottom line is i CANT WAIT for cena & orton to retire! if u dont like what i said then hey dont read it its america i have the right to free speech last i checked :lmao: :lol:
 
to be honest your right not to mention his outstanding gratitude to our nations troops and the wonderful Make-A-Wish Foundation
 
True reasons? Absolutely. I have several. And yes, each of them fall into the category of personal preference.

I don't wrestlers who are cheesy, corny, and over the top. Just not my style. I think that had a lot to do with my always caring more for Steve Austin than I did The Rock. Rock was nowhere near as cheesy as Cena, but just as over the top. Cena is a bit obnoxious for my taste.

Not a fan of his in-ring style. I think it's sloppy, and mindless. In-ring psychology isn't his thing. That's fine, some like that. In fact, many like that. I do not.

Is all of the hate justified? No. Honestly, you would think he murdered a child. People hate John Cena, more so than any other babyface I have ever seen. It's uncalled for, in a lot of ways.
 
No one needs a reason not to like a character. Its there opinion. What people are seeming to miss is that these guys are fictional characters. So this thread is similar to asking is there a reason why people don't like Cyclops from the X-men or why people prefer Batman to Superman.

Its all up to the individual. as for an opinion about a fictional character being flawed that too is subjective. If you want my reasons as to why i don't like John Cena's character its the same reason that people started not liking Hulk Hogans character after a while. Its because his character hasn't evolved. Honestly the last time Cena was truly interesting was the period between his US title Reign and the end of his Second WWE title Reign after that its been like ok seen this before. Am over it.

As a fan we want constant inovation and as with everything. Take the motor industry for example. A new cars production life (as in how long the manufacturer will be making that specific model) is 5 years. There is a "facelift" of the model after 2.5 years and a full upgrade of the model after 5 years. now my question i pose to you all would you want a "new" vehicle with technology that was state of the art in 2006 or would you want a vehicle that has tech that is state of the art today?

Thats the analogy that fits Cena the best. He needs an upgrade
 
So this thread is similar to asking is there a reason why people don't like Cyclops from the X-men or why people prefer Batman to Superman.

Those people are bat shit insane!

Anyway, No. There is no real reason at all. The guy works hard to do what he loves. Cena follows the rules, be it in the ring by not cheating, or by following the WWE style of wrestling. People want him to be doing flips and shit, or acting like he's the greatest Amateur wrestler ever.. But he's not those things at all. Why act like it? He's a brawler, and that is his style of moves. Oh, and he DOES have more than 5 moves, my SVR 2011 said so. Cena represents Sports Entertainment. That's why a lot of the older, more Hardcore fans boo him. They think he killed Wrestling. They are what I like to call Wrong.
When you were a kid did you ever not like something just because your parents did? Your mom would pick out a shirt, and say it looked good, so you said you hated it, and its stupid and icky.. That's what all the Cena hate sounds like, but in reverse. the Kids say they like Cena, so the men say he's stupid and icky. Sounds pretty immature don't it? That's because it is. Do you know WHY it's hard to build good Heels and Faces in the WWE today? Because the fans. The fans ruin it. They start building a good heel, but the fans cheer for them more and more. they build a super face, and the fans turn on them, even though it was those VERY fans who 6 months prior were saying they should be a face and cheered them (Orton).
 
Those people are bat shit insane!

Anyway, No. There is no real reason at all. The guy works hard to do what he loves. Cena follows the rules, be it in the ring by not cheating, or by following the WWE style of wrestling. People want him to be doing flips and shit, or acting like he's the greatest Amateur wrestler ever.. But he's not those things at all. Why act like it? He's a brawler, and that is his style of moves. Oh, and he DOES have more than 5 moves, my SVR 2011 said so. Cena represents Sports Entertainment. That's why a lot of the older, more Hardcore fans boo him. They think he killed Wrestling. They are what I like to call Wrong.
When you were a kid did you ever not like something just because your parents did? Your mom would pick out a shirt, and say it looked good, so you said you hated it, and its stupid and icky.. That's what all the Cena hate sounds like, but in reverse. the Kids say they like Cena, so the men say he's stupid and icky. Sounds pretty immature don't it? That's because it is. Do you know WHY it's hard to build good Heels and Faces in the WWE today? Because the fans. The fans ruin it. They start building a good heel, but the fans cheer for them more and more. they build a super face, and the fans turn on them, even though it was those VERY fans who 6 months prior were saying they should be a face and cheered them (Orton).

I never thought about the fans really. You do make a great point when it's partially to blame the fans for, but at the same time, you can't blame the fans for who they love and who they don't. Think about Zack Ryder (my opinion of him I will not state) he's probably the most biggest mid carder in the WWE right now and that's just speculation by fans. Unless you watch Superstars, no one really knows who he is. But a lot of people love him and that wasn't at all what Vince would have been able to concieve six months ago.
 

This is absolute bullcrap. He can't even rap, it's racist, and wouldn't work in this day and age.

Anyway, I dont see why people hate him. He did EXACTLY what The Miz is doing now, why do you like The Miz?
Cena works his ass off for the WWE, and you can't deny that.
Character: WWE tell you what to be. You don't pick and choose. So that's not his fault.
If I here "5 moves of Doom" again, I will hit someone. How can you wresltle 60 minutes with only 5 moves? So that BS.
The kids love him, so why is that bad? As a kid, didn't you love watching Hogan, Austin or The Rock? (Depending on your era) Cena is like these guys. Puts his life into the business, and makes them a HELL of a lot of Money.

So STOP HATING ON CENA. He's a guy who loves his job. And will do anything for it?
 
This is absolute bullcrap. He can't even rap, it's racist, and wouldn't work in this day and age.

A white guy rapping is Raciest? That's pretty raciest.

You were correct on the other stuff though.

I never thought about the fans really. You do make a great point when it's partially to blame the fans for, but at the same time, you can't blame the fans for who they love and who they don't. Think about Zack Ryder (my opinion of him I will not state) he's probably the most biggest mid carder in the WWE right now and that's just speculation by fans. Unless you watch Superstars, no one really knows who he is. But a lot of people love him and that wasn't at all what Vince would have been able to concieve six months ago.

Yes but that's all Zack's doing, Not Vince's. Cena, Vince, and the WWE gave the fans what they wanted, but then they said it was too much and didn't want it anymore. Just because a lot of us went through the 'Era" where they were Face/Heel turning every couple months, they expect that now. Thats not how they did it in the old days, why should they now?
 
No, there isn't. John Cena is one of the most charismatic men in the entire industry. He is one of the most over stars since Rock and Austin, and has fans of all ages. He can wrestle a match with most stars today and it is at least passable and usually very good, and he knows how to work a match to make it memorable, even on an episode of RAW. He is one of the best on the mic to day next to C.M. Punk, and just has that likable quality to him. He is the biggest and arguably the best star in the entire industry today. So no, there is no solid reason to dislike John Cena.
 
There will never be an answer to this question because asking whether or not a performer is a good entertainer or not is completely opinionated. In my opinion, John Cena's gimmick or lack thereof, has grown boring. He constantly gives the same promos but the only difference is he's wearing a different shirt every 6-8 months. Every wrestler has there 5 moves of doom, it's called your comeback move set. It gets the crowd to pop because they know you're about to hit you're finisher. Stone Cold had the mudhole stomp, lou thesz followed by a elbow drop with profane theatrics and the stone cold stunner. The Rock if I'm not mistaken did the kick to the gut ddt combo, a kip up, people's elbow and rock bottom. It will never change, and I would hope it never changes.
 
Years ago when the Cena happy-go-lucky character started getting boring and tedious (about 2007), I genuinely disliked him. It was only because his act went on and on and it was all the same, much like the angles against giants and their endings (eg. vs. The Great Khali and vs. Umaga) being totally obvious and thus having no real payoff or reason to watch due to it's predictability. Even these days in the past few years, his feuds have been exactly the same, such as with Batista and the Big Show. He has the power to truly put others over, but for some reason the powers that be have decided not to do that.

But now, I don't see so much wrong with him. All the factors that people hate about him I started to get less critical of, and you can appreciate it more than anything. Straight up, he is a hard worker (wrestles every night, promotes events, makes charity appearances etc.), he has proven himself to be amongst the elite in the wrestling world and he sells the largest amount of merchandise due his large popularity. If someone is popular, they will sell a lot of merchandise and a lot of tickets, and there is nothing wrong with that.


Business is business. It's main aim is to make a profit, and to take every opportunity to do so. McMahon is doing just that.
 
look there are too many of these kind of threads how bout we just stop talking about him and let these arguments die out?

and to those who say "oh he hasn't been in a title picture for 10 months"
yeah he was and everything was fine then, sheamus got a 2nd run (thought it could of been better), we got a quick deserved title run from the man who was able to move himself to the #2 face, and then built one of their future long term heels, so all in all they got stuff done. and cena could of had an amazing long term storyline with nexus but they ruined that.
Also what good does having him have the title when they have too many heels to push? unless he really does drop it del rio at summerslam than it is pointless.


also alot of people say oh he can wrestle or he's great..
he's not great
he's not terrible
but he oversells quickly
and then he comes back without doing much so it makes his opponent look weak.
but he does do imnpressive things like lifting big show and edge, but that doesnt make him a great wrestler it just makes he impressively strong.


him spending time out of the title picture is good for him
then people will hate him less
this is just a time where titles need to change hands a lil quicker than back in the days and giving it to cena now doesn't really help


this argument will never settle itself so we need to just stop having it
 
I will start out by saying Cena has been one of my favorite wrestlers since i saw him. I will admit that during 2009, Cena was overused in the main event but in fairness, during 2010 he was used to push the young stars (Nexus) and got away from the wwe title. (Still WWE droped the ball with the original Nexus) but Cena just did his job there like he always does.

It was also said that Cena's Character hasnt evolved. Well first he was a rapper, then chain gang leader, then he was the undeafteable Champ and then the SuperCena. So i think that his character has evolved to some extent.

His move set? Really? Everyone face has a move set that they use to comeback and win the match so thats a pointless arguement. And playing to the younger fans is (as said before) his job.

Ive always kinda wondered why that cena gets so much heat to so this was an intresting forum to me. However i realize that everyone has the right to their own opinion. Glad i could share mine with you.
 
There is no real "reasoN" to dislike him, its what people personally think of him as many people have said. I personally dont like him for several reasons which are...

1. "Super Cena" - for example take the I Quit match this year against Miz, he had the shit beat out of him for a good 25-30 minutes with chairs, kendo sticks etc and after all that he gets up as if nothing happened and within 3 minutes the miz quits!

2. The title - I know he didnt hold it for most of last year and the first few months of this due to his Nexus feud, but look at when he wasnt involved in that fued....he was in the main event every single PPV, either entering as the champ or winning the belt. I personally dont like this because it doesnt give others the chance for their "push" to the top. wasnt it at sumerslam last year or something that that main event was the first PPV main event in 4-5 years or something that didnt have cena in it? cant remember exactly.

3. His beef with the rock - Now i know the rock left the company to go to Hollywood and became an actor, but as he said in one of his promos if it wasnt for him, people like Cena wouldnt have had their chance in films i.e "The marine" If cena had that big a problem with the rock making films why did he have a go at it too?

Now that my opinion why i dont like him and its not his fault to be honest, its the crative team because what i like about him is as follows which is his out of ring stuff...

1. He busts his ass every day for the company, injured or not

2. How he always shows his support for the troops and all his charity work

3. Helping to promote the company that he loves

Now with the reasons above, i will admit i dont like the "character" John Cena, but the "person" himself for what he does outside the ring i think is brilliant! I just think the creative have screwed up what could have been one of the greatest characters for a long time. I know it wouldnt work now but why not have a few heel turns here and there just to keep his character fresh

Cena isnt to blame for his character, Vince and creative are in my opinion
 
I don't think there is any real reason to dislike John Cena. I was watching the Rock DVD earlier and noticed a lot of similarities between the Rock and Cena......They both were loved by the kids, both had great mic skills AND the biggest thing I noticed is just like Cena, the Rock only had a 5 or 6 move set.....The Rock had the Samoan drop, flying elbow, spinebuster, people's elbow, rock bottom and the overdoing of the slaps to the face and everyone eats his shit up. John Cena has his 5 or 6 moves and everyone calls him boring.

The man does what he is asked to do and he shows overwhelming support for the troops, make a wish foundation and he has a passion for the WWE like no other. Sure I miss his rapping days because they are quite funny but remember guys this is no longer the Attitude Era

Everyone is entitled to their opinions but I feel everyone needs to lay off him a bit. I too get tired of getting him shoved down our throats but it is what it is and until any of us get hired as part of the creative team then we are stuck with what we have. We can either keep complaining about it or we can sit back and enjoy.
 
Yes there are. John Cena is one of my favorite WWE stars right now. He's probably the most underrated wrestler by fans ever come to this business and I'm open to every negative opinion about John Cena but my problem is the people who claim to dislike John Cena come up with reasons like they belong in some cult or what. These people are like representatives of a some new belief they always come up with same arguments over and over again. Especially with 5 moves of doom,showing up to our throats and children hero. 5 moves of doom is an argument I don't even bother to respond because it's stupid, who thinks this way probably don't know a shit about wrestling.

Actually I can understand the arguments about always being the center attention and his being children hero but WTF Cena can do about that ? Cena is not a GM,boss or whatever you call it. He has no say about his character just because WWE wants him to be more kid friendly you can't blame him what should he do say fuck you kids on live tv show and get fired. Showing up to throats and Superman arguments are again a problem of WWE creative you can't blame a wrestler because of how he's booked. What should Cena say ? Hey Vince I don't want to be WWE champion because some people don't like me. Those thing have nothing to do with Cena. Blame creative, blame Vince but John Cena has nothing to do with those arguments.

Yes you have a free opinion you can think that Cena's promo skills are shit or his wrestling abilities lacks but coming up with an argument other than 5 moves of doom. These are logical opinions that can be debated but when someone comes up with 5 moves of doom argument you have nothing to debate because this person doesn't even know what professional wrestling is all about.

For example "I think John Cena is overrated because I don't see him as a draw as much as people make out him to be. He's probably the worst main face of the company to date as compared to Hogan,Rock,Austin etc. but still he's the best WWE can offer." You see it's not that hard you can criticise him in a logical and debatable manner. But when you put up a bullshit argument or an argument that has nothing to do with Cena the whole debate becomes stupid.
 
First off, if you really think he doesn't use any kind of steroids or performance enhancers, your absolutley INSANE! you can tell which guys have a more normal, lean physique, and next to batista or someone like that, he is one of the biggest, over-grown guys in the company!

Your Point about the title and the younger crowd, ill give you that. He does admit he is for the children and he does do it well and works hard at it. and id rather have him as a champ than miz(or god forbid, R-Truth!)

But his wrestling is awful! i know all guys re-use moves but his are the MOST BASIC and he has less than almost anybody else. Also you gotta remember Cena was NEVER a wrestler to begin with. he was a BODYBUILDER! just like Hogan, which he was an awful wrestler too, just a glorified bodybuilder that brought in the money. It doesnt take athletic skill to lift the big show, it takes muscle and body control.

I respect Cena, he works hard and he loves the buisness. But he will always be just another Bodybuilder/Superhero for the kids!
 
My only issue with Cena as a fan is really just that his character is kid-friendly. It's not his fault and I'm not saying that, I just don't like his current character all that much. The real Cena is the rapper and you can feel that as soon as he goes off-script like a couple of times during the Rock feud before WM27.

Seeing him be down on a corner and suddenly duck a clothesline only to bounce off the rope to a shoulder-block is always kinda repetitive though. But I realize it's not only Cena who has it this way so again, it's not him I am mad at. But the writers for making the same old shit with him all the time. He has a lot more moves than people give him credit for as well.

He's one of my current favorites and aside from the audience thing, I have nothing against him.
 
If I may add to the 5-moves argument... Cena does have a limited amount of moves, yes, BUT! the guy is HUGE. I think he should be compared to a guy like Batista, rather than a guy like Christian.
 
I like John Cena. I like that he has a cool, nice guy character (it would be boring if everyone was dark and edgy). I like his microphone his skills. I like his in-ring performance. And I really like how he can work the crowd.
 
Well, yea. Anyone can dislike whatever they want if it doesnt suit their tastes.

If the style of matches he works arent really your tastes, then you are just fine and dandy to not like him. Ricky Steamboat is one of the best wrestlers of all time, but I find his matches boring as watching pain dry. Its just not my personal tastes.

If you dont like those kinds of matches or worker, then you totally have that right. What a silly question to ask.
 

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