Glass Ass: The OFFICIAL JGlass Thread

[Барбоса]

The build for Rock vs. Punk has been like watching two school yard bully's picking on each other. Rock has done just about nothing to make me think "Man, he's a pretty good guy" or want to cheer for him, instead he's coming off as just as much of an asshole as Punk does.

This is why I am not as much of a fan of the Rock now as I was 10 years ago. Sure, it was great when he first came back for a few laughs but as his appearances become more frequent, it is becoming more apparent how limited the Rock character actually is.

He is a bully who relies on his mouth and yet there is nothing overly clever about what comes out of it; it is just crude. And when Cena did crude with his rap, he blew Rocky out of the water.

They may not have his charisma, but I would much rather listen to Cena or Punk. At least with their promos there seems to be some thought put into them; not just relying on catchphrases or pushing the PG rating.

 

[JGlass]

When you say wrestler I hope you don't mean only in matches. Ziggler is a much better in-ring performer than Punk. Punk-Rock could have been great but the character they have Punk doing right now is one of the most egregious wastes of talent I have seen in a long time. Booking Punk as the guy removed from the people up in a skybox vs the Rock is some of the most ******ed ass backward logic I have ever seen in wrestling. If they want a true face vs true heel match then Ziggler Rock would work much better. Punk and Rock just don't mix well right now. Rock tearing up Ziggler's posse on the mic would be great entertainment and when it comes to the match I defer to Orton in that it is hard to have a bad one with Dolph.

This is so much malarkey, though I see where you're coming from with the Skybox thing.

And Orton proving that it is hard to have bad match with Dolph Ziggler? You mean Randy Orton, one of the best wrestlers in the WWE?

 

[Барбоса]

though I see where you're coming from with the Skybox thing.

If we were still talking about Voice of the Voiceless Punk then I would agree but this is now Anti-People/Cult of Personality Punk - he is out for himself, looking to exploit the people any way he can while at the same time (whether for the good of the feud or not) holding up a mirror to the Rock, who is doing exactly the same thing as him but still gets cheered.

In a way, Punk's theme music has never been more apt - "I exploit you, still you love me."

 

[JGlass]

If we were still talking about Voice of the Voiceless Punk then I would agree but this is now Anti-People/Cult of Personality Punk - he is out for himself, looking to exploit the people any way he can while at the same time (whether for the good of the feud or not) holding up a mirror to the Rock, who is doing exactly the same thing as him but still gets cheered.

In a way, Punk's theme music has never been more apt - "I exploit you, still you love me."

Oh I completely agree, especially when we compare it to the Rock's "I never stopped being a wrestler" persona. I just meant that I see where he's coming from because in reality Punk is a wrestler's wrestler while The Rock is the guy who is more Johnny Come Lately.

 

[shattered dreams]

I think that the main thing that Punk/Rock has been somewhat lacking is that there has been no real reason given for why the Rock was given a title match months ahead of schedule.

There was one scheduled? This has nothing to do with why it has been lackluster, at least directly. Indirectly this does point to the biggest problem, there is no reason they are fighting other than the title. It is Rock Punk and it is only about the title. That is a borderline travesty.

It just once again makes Punk sound like he is right with all his criticism of backstage politicking and the preferential treatment that the likes of Cena and Rock get and the heel basically having the 'high ground' is not a good thing.

Punk hasn't said any of this in this feud. Big part of the reason it has been shit.

Horse manure of the highest order.

Care to elaborate?

 

[shattered dreams]

This is so much malarkey, though I see where you're coming from with the Skybox thing.

And Orton proving that it is hard to have bad match with Dolph Ziggler? You mean Randy Orton, one of the best wrestlers in the WWE?

Which part is malarkey?

No I mean this

It's hard to have a bad one with Dolph

So one of the best wrestlers in WWE responds to praise for having a great match with Ziggler by praising Ziggler's in-ring ability with anyone. But I am sure you Cena marks are better experts on the quality of ring work

 

[justinsayne]

Wild vs. Blues tomorrow night, at the same time as the RR, really wish they'd move the game to noon so it would be easier to watch both.

 

[Барбоса]

Punk hasn't said any of this in this feud. Big part of the reason it has been shit.

He did talk about it when the Rock was not present but has not made it the centre of his attacks on him in person.

It seems a little strange to say considering how he continued to tell the truth throughout the early months of his turn but I think WWE have decided to have Punk act more heelish. They are trying to get him hated after all so he is dialling up the hypocrisy, people-bashing and hyper-exaggeration rather than have him rip the Rock apart with the truth of his fleeting visits.

They should have been doing that months ago mind you.

Care to elaborate?

Aside from to say that Punk is a far better all round in-ring performer than Ziggler? No.

 

[shattered dreams]

He did talk about it when the Rock was not present but has not made it the centre of his attacks on him in person.

It seems a little strange to say considering how he continued to tell the truth throughout the early months of his turn but I think WWE have decided to have Punk act more heelish. They are trying to get him hated after all so he is dialling up the hypocrisy, people-bashing and hyper-exaggeration rather than have him rip the Rock apart with the truth of his fleeting visits.

They should have been doing that months ago mind you.

Yeah ... No. Why should they take one of their top merch guys and most talented mic performers and have him play a cheap heat heel? It is stupid and borderline criminal.

Aside from to say that Punk is a far better all round in-ring performer than Ziggler? No.

He is so much better that you can't even name one thing he does better

 

[nightmare]

Punk hasn't said any of this in this feud. Big part of the reason it has been shit.

He actually has. With one word, in most of his promos, he summed up what all of us are thinking & does not need to elaborate. He refers to him as Dwayne. Not Rocky, not The Rock, but Dwayne. Calling him that speaks volumes as to what he means. Punk is here, day in\day out, on television & on the road- as the WWE Champion. He uses this because he knows Rock cant come back at him to say otherwise. Dwayne comes in, replays his old catchphrases & gets a title shot for doing nothing. Punk knows it, we know it.




He also has made plenty of reference to the 'glass ceiling' and Dwayne's light schedule with coming & going as he pleases.

Care to elaborate?

Storytelling, pacing, moveset, etc. Punk is better. Ziggler is athletic, yet is not good in the ring. Mediocre at best. So many people think he is good, but for what? Flopping around like a dying fish?

 

[Coco]

Yeah ... No. Why should they take one of their top merch guys and most talented mic performers and have him play a cheap heat heel? It is stupid and borderline criminal.

I'm right there with you, honey buns. Not in that I think he should be shooting more. But that I think he's written poorly. People seem to love this exaggerated version of himself that Punk is playing. But for my money, it's not as colourful or as fun to watch as his Straight Edge Society character. One is just a touch too self-indulgent for my liking, while one is pure character. I tend to enjoy the latter.

Of course this just means I'm being worked. So... yay me?

 

[JGlass]

Which part is malarkey?

All of it except the part I elaborated on.

So one of the best wrestlers in WWE responds to praise for having a great match with Ziggler by praising Ziggler's in-ring ability with anyone. But I am sure you Cena marks are better experts on the quality of ring work

I seem to remember you (or maybe it was Nick) saying Orton was just sticking up for his guys when he said Cena was a better performer (in so many words) than The Rock.

 

[Coco]

Storytelling, pacing, moveset, etc. Punk is better. Ziggler is athletic, yet is not good in the ring. Mediocre at best. So many people think he is good, but for what? Flopping around like a dying fish?

Aren't you one of the ones who likes Cena?

 

[Coco]

So one of the best wrestlers in WWE responds to praise for having a great match with Ziggler by praising Ziggler's in-ring ability with anyone. But I am sure you Cena marks are better experts on the quality of ring work

Rumour has it that Cena was going around a few weeks back telling everyone what a smooth worker Ziggler is and how he never has a bad match. Seems like even the golden boy is on the bandwagon.

 

[nightmare]

Aren't you one of the ones who likes Cena?

No sir. Dont care for the guy. Might say something funny once in a blue moon, but other than that- he could drop off the face of the earth and one fuck would not be given.

 

[Coco]

No sir. Dont care for the guy. Might say something funny once in a blue moon, but other than that- he could drop off the face of the earth and one fuck would not be given.

Good. 'Cause I had both barrels aimed directly at your raging hypocrisy.

 

[Thriller Ant]

Wild vs. Blues tomorrow night, at the same time as the RR, really wish they'd move the game to noon so it would be easier to watch both.

Don't worry, the Blues will win

 

[JGlass]

We need to all agree on something again, and I have just the thing.

True statement: Bo Dallas has a stupid fucking face.



WARNING: Graphic image inside spoiler tags.

Spoiler

 

[Coco]

I know I said earlier that I wasn't even mad about Bo winning.

What I meant to say was that if I could break all of his teeth, I'd do it one at a time. Not commencing to the next tooth until he thinks the pain is over.

 

[shattered dreams]

He actually has. With one word, in most of his promos, he summed up what all of us are thinking & does not need to elaborate. He refers to him as Dwayne. Not Rocky, not The Rock, but Dwayne. Calling him that speaks volumes as to what he means. Punk is here, day in\day out, on television & on the road- as the WWE Champion. He uses this because he knows Rock cant come back at him to say otherwise. Dwayne comes in, replays his old catchphrases & gets a title shot for doing nothing. Punk knows it, we know it.

He also has made plenty of reference to the 'glass ceiling' and Dwayne's light schedule with coming & going as he pleases.

You can keep pretending the feud is about what you wish it was, and actually should be, about but the fact is on tv Punk spends 99% of his time in this feud trying to get himself over through cheap heat heel tactics.

Storytelling, pacing, moveset, etc. Punk is better. Ziggler is athletic, yet is not good in the ring. Mediocre at best. So many people think he is good, but for what? Flopping around like a dying fish?

9 times out of 10 the better seller is the better in-ring story teller. People have this pacing thing all wrong. It has become a cheap way to discredit athletic guys. Yes, some athletic people work everything too quickly and it detracts from building things up. However, you don't fix that by simply working everything slower. That is the opposite problem. If you do work in such a WWE style then botches are significantly amplified and Punk is a sloppy mofo. Good pacing is the ability to go at a quick pace when it makes sense and be able to do other stuff when it doesn't. As far as moveset goes, is Punk still trying to bring Savage back to life by having him roll over in his grave on a weekly basis with that pathetic excuse of a flying elbow? GTS has looked like shit when I have seen it recently except maybe one time I saw Ziggler take it. Not sure the GTS thing is entirely Punk's fault though.

 

[Thriller Ant]

We need to all agree on something again, and I have just the thing.

True statement: Bo Dallas has a stupid fucking face.



WARNING: Graphic image inside spoiler tags.

Spoiler

I can't believe that Husky Harris is the more attractive brother

 

[Барбоса]

Yeah ... No. Why should they take one of their top merch guys and most talented mic performers and have him play a cheap heat heel? It is stupid and borderline criminal.

They needed to do something different with Punk other than allow him to not change much at all after he blind-sided the Rock. It really took the advent of Ryback for Punk to start to act heelish at all (and unfortunately it saw him revert to a chickenshit heel).

Don't get me wrong, I thoroughly enjoyed tweener Punk, the ambiguity of his character and how he was constantly telling the truth about the likes of Cena getting shot after shot. I thought that there was an opportunity to try something really different with him and push such a character and recapture some of the magic that had been squandered in the aftermath of the Summer of Punk.

But tweeners do not really sell tickets or at least that was what was seemed to be thought and once it was decided that the Rock was getting the title shot at the Rumble and Punk was decided as his opponent, the decision was taken to have a more classic heel/face approach.

He is so much better that you can't even name one thing he does better

It was more the other way around. There is soooo much that Punk is better at than Ziggler that I could not be arsed to list them all. The only things that Ziggler has over Punk are physique and athleticism. In every other way, Punk is superior.

For every poor GTS or top rope elbow, there are three utterly garbage Zig Zags. For every cunning smile, sideways sneer and well-timed scrambling for the bottom rope, there is a fish out of water.

 

[nightmare]

Good. 'Cause I had both barrels aimed directly at your raging hypocrisy.

If it were any other time period in wrestling history- he never would have gotten as far as he has. He is the product of ass kissery, a thinning talent pool, a 'kid friendly PG rated' marketing campaign to revive the numbers.

50's\60's? He would have gotten stretched & bruised like a cheap ****e.

70's? Bruno would have whooped his ass all over the north. He would have been nothing but a clean cut niceguy who opened up the card while people made their way to their seats.

80's? Hogan, Piper, Andre & Savage would have taken turns kicking his ass in squash matches at house shows.

90's? Hogan & Savage again. Plus he would have been fed to Warrior. Throw in Bret Hart just for fun. He would have come & gone in months with some lame ass gimmick & no-one would care.

late 90's\early 2000? Plenty of names. SCSA, Rock, DX & Taker- all with better gimmicks & higher spots on the card. He would have been mid-card at best. Lets not even mention what would have happened in WCW. NWO ass kickings each week, until he finally joins along with the other 40 people & lost in the shuffle. Once again, no-one cares.


....then we start losing folks & the business as a whole dwindles. Hip-hop is cool to the young kids & Vince see's a 'hip' opportunity to cash in. He has the right look, clean cut, kisses the bosses ass, 'edgy' but not too much & all the other relevant guys are quitting, jumping ship, dying, retiring or just simply getting older.


He is simply a paint by numbers Hulk Hogan for a new generation. It works for the intended purpose, but I could care less. There is only one Hogan- we didnt need another copy to remind us that he was better in his day than Cena is now.

 

[justinsayne]

This just might be the greatest thing I've ever seen in my life

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[nightmare]

This just might be the greatest thing I've ever seen in my life

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Would have been sooooo much better if they had Xavier as a goalie...