CM Punk WINS The WWE Championship!!! Cena fired???

[Honkey_Kong]

Wait wait wait... people are looking at THIS to be the signal to the end of PG? What the fuck? Where in this entire goddam promo does Punk mention anything that even has anything remotely to do with PG? PG was never brought up, PG wasn't mentioned, there was absolutely NOTHING said about the actual content of the shows but rather with the backstage politicking.

Actually, I think this promo goes to show everyone in the IWC that you can have compelling television and still be inside the envelope of PG. Leave it to a few internet marks with down syndrome to use every interesting bit on TV as a segway to TV14. PG can be just as must-see as TV-14 and TV-M. and TV-14 and TV-M can be as lame as the PG era had been thus far (in fact the raunchy era right after the attitude era was pretty lame for the most part).

I just hope wwe's "creative" can continue to write interesting television like this promo (I doubt it, but who knows?)

 

[RandyViper12]

ok guys im doing some research on this crazy thing.

1st- Obviously scripted can see why it looked real I thought so too but after reviewing the clip a couple of times its scripted

2nd- Please don't take the fact he mentioned Colt Cabanas name means hes joining Nexus or somthing like that in WWE, he had his time recently and blew it

3rd- New Japan Wrestling is a known wrestling company throughout the world and is very respected plus outside the U.S. it is kind of impossible to get on TV or understand them

4th- I THINK.......WWE is funding ROH in some which way - shape or form and i think this has been going on for years.
June 12,2004 the first match of the incredible 3 matches between Samoe Joe and CM Punk. The wrestling world starts going nuts on October 17, 2004, 1 day removed from CM Punk v. Joe II and that match becomes ROH biggest selling DVD of all time and rated a 5 STAR MATCH and Punk and Joe have put ROH on the map as a legit company. In June 2005, Punk accepted a deal with World Wrestling Entertainment, after a try-out match against Val Venis on its Sunday Night Heat show. EVEN THOUGH HE ACCEPTED THE DEAL, Punk went on to defeat Austin Aries with his Pepsi Plunge move, winning the ROH World Championship on June 18, 2005 at Death Before Dishonor III. Punk threatens fans and locker room he will bring ROH title to WWE and defend it there (sound familiar dont it believe thats what he said tonight regarding WWE title). MICK FOLEY ,a WWE employee who appeared as a color commentator at WWE's ECW One Night Stand, which aired on June 12, 2005, and subsequently renewed his contract with WWE. (Punk won the title 6 days later and his regin as champ did not last long losing it on August 12,2005) During this short reign MICK FOLEY (under WWE contract and any WWE contract prohibits appearances at other promotions) made 7!......7! appearances at ROH to try and persuade punk to do the right thing because Punk was going to leave with the title and HE SIGNED HIS WWE CONTRACT ON THE ROH TITLE. WWE is now involved with ROH either funding it or something like that either way they're involved in some way

5th- Daniel Bryan is now a WWE superstar and former ROH champ with his reign coming after Punk's

6th- ROH holds an event called "Night Of Champions" on March 22, 2003. WWE holds PPVs with the same exact name (Dont ROH if they are independent have rights to that name and can sue WWE)

7th- WWE is involved with ROH

Excellent Research and really revealing stuff here.Your Dead on with number 4.Thats why I can see some ROH invasion which builds up CM Punk even more because he has a bigger Army than that joke of a stable, the New Nexus.Plus WWE has done this before with ECW!It would be cool to see the Worlds Greatest Tag Team return and feud with some WWE Tag Teams..or Rhyno and Jay Lethal making appearances.

 

[avi01]

About one of the best promo I can recall...this was brilliant from the moment he picked the microphone. So many truth is there to...that had solid shock value. Proof that Punk is by far, by far the best thing in the wrestling business today. He is even wearing a Stone Cold shirt.

 

[VJ24]

This is almost how Batista Went Out but with more drama. Fake or Not This was super entertaining. I hope it was real and CM Punk shows up on TNA. I think If TNA adds Punk there can be a lot of cheap shots by TNA to WWE. Therefore making WWE stepping up. At the end it can work out.

 

[prestonluv]

I just watched the taped version on the west coast and nothing was deleted of course.

So all those that had high hopes for a true shoot can come down to earth..and reality.

Great start to a possibly killer angle. Somehow i think they will mess it up just like the nexus angle.

 

[Mr_Ratings]

Honestly I think CM Punk swerved Vince into doing this promo. I mean since hes now "suspended" and his last match is with Cena in a couple of weeks, that it would serve him to keep the momentum going through his absence and onto his next contract signing. Whether that would be with WWE, TNA, ROH. Who knows. Vince has a proven track record of being swerved.

 

[silk]

personally i think punk will stay with the wwe. i just dont see them letting him go after tonights promo. he has too much momentum for them to cash in on. I know tonight alone he has garnished ALOT of new fans im sure his merchandise will sky rocket due to that. We all know vince is all bout that cash money and he just got a new investment with punk.

 

[Foshinzo]

I've watched it live and a few times on Youtube now, and there is not doubt that this is a worked shoot. I honestly believe that CM Punk is going to win at Money in the Bank, leave TV with the belt, and come back as Cena and the WWE's greatest challenge in an Undisputed WWE Championship match. At least, I think that this is what should happen. It will probably be CM Punk vs Vince McMahon, too. If you notice that the last thing Punk was saying before he got cut off was that he wanted to share a personal story involving Vince and the anti-bullying campaign, implying that he wanted to tell a story about how Vince has bullied someone in the business. After that promo, I wouldn't be surprised if Punk comes out and says that McMahon bullied poor Owen Hart up into the catwalks the night he died. Of course, this would be McMahon admitting guilt for what happened and will never happen, but I was just exaggerating.

This might be the greatest promo I've ever seen, live. We've all seen Mick and Austin's ECW promos that broke the fourth wall, but this seriously had my jaw on the floor. CM Punk has solidified himself, in my mind, as one of the all-time greatest mic artists, and this should be what propels him into mega-stardom. If he doesn't get the biggest heel push in years from this, then they've seriously dropped the ball. If he doesn't get a tremendous push, then he's just going to be another Jake Roberts, except obviously without all the drug issues.

And for everyone saying that this was a real shoot, realize that he never would have gotten on TV if they knew he wanted to do this. The second that he said he actually liked Cena, he would have gotten his mic cut because he was clearly going to break character. Probably all the kids and most of the adults didn't know what Punk was even talking about with Ring of Honor, but they sure knew what the intent was whenever he said that maybe Vince should die, but that Stephanie and HHH are idiots. Let's be clear: Punk is not getting, "screw-jobbed," nor is he lashing out. This is a work. Period. Punk is just that good.

 

[prestonluv]

There is no way in hell that the west coast version would not of been edited if this was a true shoot.

All Vince has to do is make one phone call to USA and say i am your highest rated show and you are stopping the taped version at 5 after the hours instead of letting it run til 10 after the hour.

this was never done.

complete and utter worked shoot.

 

[VJ24]

I've watched it live and a few times on Youtube now, and there is not doubt that this is a worked shoot. I honestly believe that CM Punk is going to win at Money in the Bank, leave TV with the belt, and come back as Cena and the WWE's greatest challenge in an Undisputed WWE Championship match. At least, I think that this is what should happen. It will probably be CM Punk vs Vince McMahon, too. If you notice that the last thing Punk was saying before he got cut off was that he wanted to share a personal story involving Vince and the anti-bullying campaign, implying that he wanted to tell a story about how Vince has bullied someone in the business. After that promo, I wouldn't be surprised if Punk comes out and says that McMahon bullied poor Owen Hart up into the catwalks the night he died. Of course, this would be McMahon admitting guilt for what happened and will never happen, but I was just exaggerating.

This might be the greatest promo I've ever seen, live. We've all seen Mick and Austin's ECW promos that broke the fourth wall, but this seriously had my jaw on the floor. CM Punk has solidified himself, in my mind, as one of the all-time greatest mic artists, and this should be what propels him into mega-stardom. If he doesn't get the biggest heel push in years from this, then they've seriously dropped the ball. If he doesn't get a tremendous push, then he's just going to be another Jake Roberts, except obviously without all the drug issues.

And for everyone saying that this was a real shoot, realize that he never would have gotten on TV if they knew he wanted to do this. The second that he said he actually liked Cena, he would have gotten his mic cut because he was clearly going to break character. Probably all the kids and most of the adults didn't know what Punk was even talking about with Ring of Honor, but they sure knew what the intent was whenever he said that maybe Vince should die, but that Stephanie and HHH are idiots. Let's be clear: Punk is not getting, "screw-jobbed," nor is he lashing out. This is a work. Period. Punk is just that good.

thats a point that can be made. Kids today and maybe some adults dont even know Paul heyman or ROH. Like i said earlier, Fake or Not, it was the best thing on wrestling since Rock's comeback. So that means 2nd best thing on wrestling for YEARS

 

[Prince Punk]

First I want to start by saying it does not matter if it was a real shoot or not. As I can guess that 90% of people watching it live and those who watched the videos were so sucked into the moment that it seemed real and THAT is what is important. This was a true work of art and proof that there is someone can actually raise the bar beyond the great mic men who came before him.

I tip my hat to punk for creating a wrestling moment and the wwe for taking a story line and running with it!

 

[Mike Flyte]

Yes, it was a great promo....I thought it could of been real but, after the camera angle picks Punk up from the right side and he talks to the camera acknowledging Cabana and The Rock, I knew it was a work and a prepared promo. I am sure this puts more stock into CM Punk.

 

[AngryCenaFan]

wow people here think this is legit? the only legit thing about this is CM Punk MIGHT be leaving WWE for a while, everything else was approved by the boss nothing gets on Air without his approval, it's all a work, CM Punk is trolling his biggest fanbase....the ten percenters.

 

[vincent_kennedy_mcmahon]

I haven't seen the promo yet, as i'm living in Europe, but I'm watching RAW right now and from what I've seen yet it sure seems like it's a worked shoot. The buildup CM Punk is getting is just to obvious for it to be a real one.
Cole mentioned Punks "i'm in a what they are gonna do fire me" tweet and added something along the lines of "we will see what CM Punk is capable over the next three weeks".
In my opinion Punk already resigned and thus receives a big push AND he has a word in the creative direction of this angle. That all spells big things in the future for CM Punk. VKM is a smart business man, he wouldn't be pushing a person who's going to leave the company in three weeks. Why should he?

 

[rge2010]

This was definately a 'worked shoot'. Lets get that straight and not be so naive. Big props for WWE letting Punk do this.

Not sure if it has being touched on but seen as Punk had a Stone Cold T-shirt on maybe it was a subliminal message. Punk has tonight become the 'anti-hero' like Austin was, it's cool to be bad. This angle has got a buzz going and will be huge the next few weeks and probably beyond.

Great work from everyone;

 

[Good Golly It's Ollie]

Hell yah !

you guys didn't got it correctly!

the fact is that there can be two possible things regarding this.

1. Punk surely leaving WWE-

when wwe gave the chance to become the no. 1 Condenteder for WWE title. Punk officialy declared that he is leaving WWE. Again note Punk was perhaps the most underrated man in the company and obviouly he hated the PG stuff and was furious after Heyman was forced to leave WWE.
punk had all these thinks in mind and so, he took the oppurtunity to say to universe about how he feels. Note...Punk might have got the confidence to say these things because Batista just somedays ago complained about WWE becoming a crap of PG where there is no wrestling.
Even remember that Micheal Cole announced that Punk has been suspended from wwe for infinite time.
or
2. PG Era coming to a END.

At last perhaps after Linda McMohan lost in the elections. Vince realized that PG is not going to make any thing for Linda.

And so he is going to bring the PG era to an end slowly through an invasion angle of Heyman Army that will consist of Punk, returning Brock Lesner, and many more Heyman guys.
according to me if this happens It will surely make vince a billionare. Ok, so just wait untill the shadow is removed from the darkness.

I beg to differ on both points, and I'm going to give three main arguments against each of your two points.

Several people have already theorized that Punk is not leaving, and with good reason. The situation seems a little contrived, don't you think? Why give a push to someone who's leaving as you push them? It just doesn't make sense. I admit I was skeptical of the possibility of Punk re-signing too, so I know why you think he's going, but look at the facts (admittedly #3 is more a matter of perception, so take it or leave it):

1) Punk is getting pushed properly to main event and feud over the title for the first time in ages.
2) He's being allowed to cut loose and firmly establish his character, because it's caught on.
3) Compare crowd reactions to Punk, to those of Miz, R-Truth and del Rio, the other big heels on Raw. Punk is clearly the most over.

Also, Punk just got a chance to cut the promo many would 'kill' to cut. It was almost a shoot, and I'm sure much of it was connected to real feelings.

Now, as for PG ending (and by the way, Linda losing that election was quite some time ago now, no-one's really using that in their arguments any more):

1) Look at the audience demographics. More kids, more families. And it'll grow. Listen to Batista all you like, I'm not going to miss him. It doesn't kill or weaken the product, it just means heels have to be more inventive than resorting to swearing.
2) The product has already loosened the PG boundaries anyway, and it was Cena and the Rock who were doing that before Punk was, even though Punk has always spoken his mind to a greater or lesser extent.
3) PG, generally, has been good for the company. Bloody/risque matches have greater meaning, as do shocking/impressive spots. Although Hell in a Cell has tended to be a let-down in recent years, I'll admit. Also, the company is getting more support and good PR from things like anti-bullying (call it hypocritical, but honestly, bullies are heels, so it's not as if WWE ever condoned it anyway)

I may have only been part of this forum for a short while, but I've been in the IWC a lot longer, and a fan even longer than that. I get the feeling you are either new to this or quite young, so I'm trying to help you understand here. You give reasons for your points, true, but you haven't thought of the reasons behind the reasons. They're flimsy motives. You say, for example, that going back to TV-14 will make Vince more money. No it won't, he'll lose a bunch of his sponsors and possibly even some viewership. You also say that Brock Lesnar will return. Even suggesting that proves you don't really understand why Lesnar left in the first place. You use Linda's election campaign, but that happened quite a while ago, and even though WWE seemed to get almost Disney-like in its pursuit of "PGness", it loosened up afterwards and no-one's talking about that anymore, apart from you and now me.

It may seem like I'm being really patronising to you, but please understand that I'm just trying to show you the holes in your argument.

 

[[cL]]

Lets talk reality.
It wasn't a shoot. No POSSIBLE way, Vince allows anyone to go that deep on his show without knowing about it.
That being said, it was the absolute, without equal, best mic work i have ever seen. THIS coming from the biggest Rock mark in all creation.
C.M. Punk, has in one night, made himself the biggest thing in professional wrestling today and I for one applaud him.
I can honestly say that my jaw dropped while watching and for a moment I DID think it was a shoot, especially when the mic went off and the cameras went black. I found myself running to the computer to jump on wrestlezone to see what people were saying. And really, isn't that what they wanted? They wanted the "shock" factor, and they got it in spades. C.M. Punk & Vince McMahon, in ONE promo, satisfied the IWC and the casual wrestling fan at the same time.
Man...all I can say is wow. For a while now I've been really pissed about the state of WWE, but tonight may see the beginning of at LEAST a PG -13 era. I really hope he's leaving as world champion after MITB. I'd love to see the reaction to WWE not having a champion. So many possibilities.

 

[PagingMr.ass]

i dont feel like reading through twelve pages of punk comments, however the ones i have read have been really good and i'm glad something happened that got people talking, props to punk on that, however that being said i still can't stand cm punk and think he's a total ass clown, the reason he's not on promos and cups and what not is because he can't draw. Vince isn't stupid, if he could make money off promoting punk he would. remember when they gave punk the title on raw a few years ago in a "stunning upset", it didn't work and they moved him to smack down to make another try and nothing happened. He has mike skills and ring skills but it doesn't all come together into a showstopping performance, he's alot like colt cabana, they both suck. I hope he doesn't go to ROH cause they just got a good tv deal and dont need to put their future in him. The nexus angle started off hot and totally died when punk took over. R-Truth is pumping on all cylinders right now in his heel move, something that punk failed in doing, and even though this is all probabley one big work, fuck him.

 

[enviousdominous]

Alright, I get the feeling that a lot of you smarks are bent on mocking anyone who thinks this was a shoot and not a work in that if it turns out to be a work and you thought it was a shoot you'd look like a mark.

I believe that it was intended to be a fake shoot at first, until Punk took it into his own direction. I believe that the comments made about The Rock and Ring of Honor and NJPW were planned so marks would rush to their computers and realize that there may actually be a possibility of their john cena inspired gangsta belt going to either company.

I believe that the hicup in Punk's mic feed was due to his continuing the shoot beyond what was intended as he began to comment on the kiss up called john laurinitis. That comment, and the stephanie and hhh comments probably didn't bother vince too much as either way it's publicity.

What I know they would not allow on tv was what Punk was about to say. Watch the video of his promo again. He was about to comment on the anti-bullying campaign. This idiotic campaign meant to bait the ptc into thinking that they truly do deserve their pg rating, offering promos of the bellas saying "Nobody likes a bully" while they rip on Awesome Kong's weight in the show. CM Punk was about to go live with an unbiased insider's opinion of how exactly things are run by vince mcmahon and how they contradict an anti-bullying stance.

Don't make fun of people who think it was real, because there were some very real elements of it.

 

[Malenko316]

Well done Vince, not something that springs from my keyboard regularly. In one move you make the IWC do the exact ass kissing Punk mentioned. Alas, like so much that goes right in WWE, it wasn't planned and is entirely counter to anything VKM would have come up with on his own or with Trips, Steff or Lauranitis.

Was it 100% shoot? of course not - as even the most moronic have pointed out, without an outline, Punk wouldn't have been given a mic - from there however, there is no way mentioned to NJPW, ROH, Heyman, Lesnar or 'asshole' would have got through the filter. Much like the policy with Dwayne, they give a time limit and rough idea and then Punk realised he had a live mic and 7mins of air time with no rap up planned and he went with it. He's smart enough to know he'd only get squashed at MitB to Supercena, so why hang around if he's going to be given an indignant exit like that?

What this does prove, is no matter how smart the IWC claims to be, en mass it still gets sucked in and fooled easily. This is a far bet ending for punk, his stock went through the roof and he is the 'man who stuck it to Vince on live tv' - that's going to be worth more money from either Dixie or NJPW than he would have got in payrise to job to Cena.

So congrats, you're all so conditioned by VKM that when something goes wrong live on air (other than yet another Sin Cara match), you attribute it to Vince and are guaranteed to tune in next week to be reassured you're were all right and vince is god. Idiots, pathetic, brain washed idiots.

 

[CM Punk is AWESOME!!!]

look past all the side stuff and think of it like this...Throughout the entire promo Punk keeps bringing up how he will walk out of MitB with the WWE Title, but think if that promo wasnt approved or ment to be on the air, Vince would fire him and he wouldnt make it to MitB and he knows that. Thats what keeps me thinking it is all part of the bigger picture.

 

[The Naitchhh]

Wrestling has become interesting many weeks in a row now. Happy Times. Cm Punk Rules...His Theme Song Rules...the baggs under his Eyes Rule. I hope he leaves with the belt so they can bring back the Real WWE title. It looked prestigious. I think Triple H had it 1st the night after WM18. Tonight was the BEST ENDING to RAW....maybe Ever...Just because. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Naitch

 

[Toront0]

I always envisioned someone doing this promo, where they just they just cry about the guys upstairs and get real for a minute.

Punk is a very lucky man to be the recipent of the biggest push in history, even though he is not the most handsome(nohomo),strongest,quickest,tallest guy on the roster his improvment and hardwork over the years earned him this. I remember when no1 took him seriously during his good guy gimmick.

He included a wake up call to fans. We have a whole community here that hates Cena but we STILL watch his crappy movies and buy his stupid cups. Yet when Dwayne got pushed as a under 15yr(2011) villian our community of grown fans bought his "Bring it" shirts.

And another UNDERATED TOPIC: Did anyone catch when Drew Mcintyre came out and said, those gimmicks are wasting time?? yeah.. think about it now.



-Id like to point out how many non-active posters came out of nowhere like myself tonight, that's how you know this is epic. Thanks for comming back and making the forums interesting.

 

[TheTruNoLimit]

Quick thoughts on this. Fantastic to watch and I agree with everything Punk said. It may not have been real, but it was rooted in real, underlying emotion so it came across as authentic... edgy... must-see (sorry Miz). There have been very few moments in recent years where I was this compelled by the WWE. Being a huge fan of Kane since his '97 debut, his World Title win was a true shocker and mark out moment for many hard core fans. When the Rock returned, it was a huge shock that set the stage on fire and gave me the chills. When Punk cut this promo, well... I'll just say it ranks right up there and is arguably the most shocked I've felt watching a WWE promo possibly ever due to its content and Punk's masterful delivery.

That being said, Vince could've cut Punks mic at any point in time. I've watched it again a couple times now and it's still epic but the shock is slowly wearing off. Still ridiculously compelling and I can't wait to see where this is going, but amazing.

The thing is, what Punk said may have been personal or "cut deep" for lack of better words, but think about all the angles Vince has been involved with over the years from mocking "God" inside a church to making out with women in front of his wife who's in a wheel chair to fighting his son, trying to bring back the "pill popping" Shawn Michaels and even a reference to "deflowering" his own daughter. Punk said the business might be better if Vince were dead and insulted his family, but it's no worse than what all the McMahon's have said about one another on TV in the past.

I know this is different because the aforementioned items always felt like storylines and this, as mentioned, felt authentic, but from that perspective, I would have to assume that this is all storyline too. Wait for the replay of Raw that they run Saturday on the Universal HD network for those who get it. If Punk's promo is still shown, it'll all begin to explain what I feel is the obvious.

 

[enviousdominous]

i dont feel like reading through twelve pages of punk comments, however the ones i have read have been really good and i'm glad something happened that got people talking, props to punk on that, however that being said i still can't stand cm punk and think he's a total ass clown, the reason he's not on promos and cups and what not is because he can't draw. Vince isn't stupid, if he could make money off promoting punk he would. remember when they gave punk the title on raw a few years ago in a "stunning upset", it didn't work and they moved him to smack down to make another try and nothing happened. He has mike skills and ring skills but it doesn't all come together into a showstopping performance, he's alot like colt cabana, they both suck. I hope he doesn't go to ROH cause they just got a good tv deal and dont need to put their future in him. The nexus angle started off hot and totally died when punk took over. R-Truth is pumping on all cylinders right now in his heel move, something that punk failed in doing, and even though this is all probabley one big work, fuck him.

*ugh* I'll begin with the comment that Punk can't draw, therefore the wwe doesn't put him on cups or put him in promos and end there.

You realize that it's all a show, correct? The fact that Punk is even still with the company is proof that he can draw, in that his drawing power is the only thing that vince sees in him. Vince puts over a botched abortion like cena because cena has big man boobs and a high and tight hair cut. Now then, vince's decision to put over the tru blud crip marine gangsta hustla known as john cena is what made john cena appeal to the morons in the audience who only want to see the good guy beat the bad guy. Imagine how the ghetto bucket-head known as john cena feels when confronted with a stronger crowd reaction for someone who isn't supposed to look better than him. He whines to vince about how he thinks Punk is stealing his spotlight and Punk is made to look like he can't draw on TV. Even when Punk was being made to look like a stooge and a jerk, the live crowd would chant "CM PUNK!". Even during cena's match with vinces new token ron killings, the crowd was chanting "CENA SUCKS!" to answer the marks "LET'S GO CENA!".