CM Punk Ain't That Good

[Suneeboy]

I'm going to cut straight to the chase. I don't know what people see in him, but he is not that good, and he damn sure isn't a credible main eventer. He has been given title after title, but really what has he done to truley deserve this? I'm speaking in a ratio of about 80% kayfabe/20% reality.

I'm going to go from when he won his first MITB and got drafted to RAW. Who has he beaten? He was jobbing out the ass until one day he gets a fluke win over Edge for the WHC. Then what? He gets a double DQ in a match against Batista and looks completely weak during the match. He beats Snitsky, William Regal, and JBL a couple of times. He loses the title by getting taken out by Orton. He wins the tag straps with Kofi and loses them at a house show to M&M. Wins the IC title Tourney and beats Regal after 3 DQ wins in a row. He defends against no one and loses clean to JBL. He sporadically jobs and doesn't get any huge victories and then wins MITB. Loses cleanly to Kane and Umaga (in his hometown), then beats Umaga twice cleanly. Cashes in on Hardy the same night and gets another fluke WHC win. Loses to Morrison cleanly on TV twice, but finally gets a clean win before his title defense. Gets a DQ loss to Hardy. Loses by DQ to Khali in a match in which he got squashed. Gets pinned by Matt Hardy in a tag match. Loses to Hardy cleanly for the WHC. Then beats him the next month two nights in a row because Jeff was leaving the company...he HAD to drop the strap. Loses to Matt Hardy by DQ last week on Smackdown.

With that said, where is the credibility in this character? He doesn't have the physique, his moves aren't devestating in comparison to his peers, and he isn't a threat to anyone! What the hell has this guy done that seem to make people say, "Oh he's such a great heel!" The guy is average at best and isn't bringing any credibility or prestige to the main event scene on Smackdown. I mean he can't even beat a fat ass Matt Hardy?

If this guy can be WHC ANYONE can be WHC. Where is Punk's big win? Where is his moment of glory that solidifies him? I mean c'mon he is a 3 time champion now. He can EASILY go back to the mid card at anytime. The guy isn't that good and damn sure shouldn't be WHC. I think the WWE agrees with me and will take it off of him at Breaking Point and have him feud with Hardy in the mid card to upper mid card where he belongs.

 

[SSJPhenom]

I am going to have to completely and utterly disagree with just about everything that you just said.

He won MITB. That only qualifies him for a WHC shot because, believe it or not, that is one of the most grueling matches of the year. He is a damn good in ring performer. The majority of his matches are better than anything Cena/Orton has ever done. He is great on the mic. He is having some of the best promos in the WWE right now and I think that he has surpassed Jericho as the top heel of the company when he did the Jeff Hardy dress up. Bottom line is, he is entertaining as fuck to watch.

I will agree that he really isn't a credible champion, but insert The Undertaker and in about two months, you will be changing your tune on this subject.

Bottom line is, if CM Punk doesn't deserve the title, then neither did Jeff Hardy. Punk is better in the ring than Hardy and is far better on the mic than Hardy. So, tell me, what did Hardy do, besides jump off of a few ladders in his career, to earn the WHC?

And don't point out kayfabe to me. WWE hasn't hardly ever follows kayfabe so it really doesn't apply in this arguement, because from a kayfabe point of view, 'Taker shouldn't be in the title picture at all.

 

[Poop Master Flex]

Punk is the best heel in the WWE right now (outside of maybe Jericho), if the best heel doesn't deserve the strap, who the hell does. When Punk was a face, I may of agreed with you but since his heel turn, he has been easily one of the top 3 guys in the company. Besides, the only reason he wasn't a credible champ was because of booking, had nothing to do with CM Punk.

 

[jr7936]

So, tell me, what did Hardy do, besides jump off of a few ladders in his career, to earn the WHC?

Lets see, 1st he has been around the wwe since 1998, with his brother matt as one of the top teams the hardys. They won six tag team titles.
He held the Ic title by beating Triple H in 2001. Also that same year he held the light heavyweight and Hardcore belt as well on his way to a solo push.
He won his third hardcore title in 2002.
When he came back to the wwe in 2006, he won his 2nd IC title that same year and his third came a few weeks later
In 2007, he captured his 4th IC title.
I think this more then signifies Hardy to hold the wwe championship as well as being completly over with the fans, not to talk about paying his dues in the company.
Compare that to punks credentials and tell me which one is more qualified to hold the belt, and I am not talking bout ring of honor or indy titles for punk just his stuff in wwe

 

[X]

CM Punk is easily the most exciting member of the WWE roster right now. That's not even arguable at this point considering the astoundingly low quality of Raw. What is it that you don't think he excels in? Is it his mic skills, which are so good it's downright scary? Punk has been cutting the best promos in the WWE in years with his recent heel turn and feud with Jeff Hardy, people will be talking about these promos a decade from now in the same way they talk about Foley's classic "Anti-Hardcore" promos. That's how good he is.

Is it his in ring skills, which are among the very best in the WWE as well? Punk can wrestle literally any style of match, be it hardcore spotfest, technical duel, or any other variation of wrestling.

As for him not "deserving" to be in the main event and not being credible, that's absolutely absurd. Do you even watch Smackdown? Do you hear the reaction that Punk is getting every week? He's easily the most hated man on the entire WWE roster and the best heel in the entire wrestling business today. It's been a long time since I've seen the fans hate a wrestler so viscerally.

Feel free to respond to anything I've said here. Because you're incredibly wrong here sunee.

 

[jr7936]

Well I do watch both smackdown and raw and even ecw, and I would have to say in all of those shows imo, the # heel is Jerhico
Look at the matches jerhico has won lately, how many of them has he cheated to win and now look at the matches that punk has been in, other then the 2 final jeff hardy matches since he was in the process of leaving the company, how many of them has he won, without cheating. I think that this coupled with his promos make him the top heel in all of the wwe. I think that punk is an ok heel but no where on jerhico level yet

 

[jrocc4dub]

Really? What the fuck are you talking about. Punk is probably the biggest heel in wwe at this time. He won two mitb, held mid card titles, 3 world\wwe titles, and the ecw title. The physique argument is lame cuz, guys like batista would dominate everything if it was about how a wrestler looks. His whole character is based on his straight edge lifestyle so being all jacked up just would contradict what he preaches and believes in. I think his offense, with the kicks, and elbows to the neck and head seem more realistic than a lot of other wrestlers move sets. Jeff Hardy wasn't a big guy either as most of smackdowns roster is smaller. He fits right in with the other wrestlers in that regard. Hardy didnt do anything to get the title either. He missed a mitb cuz he couldn't stay off the shit. Its about whos over and punk is way over with this whole holier than thou shit he's doin. I personally have been a fan for years, before wwe, so i am biased. The guy can work the mic, work in the ring, and has that certain something the top guys have. I don't think takers going over at breaking point. He was put in a feud with punk to get him over more as a heel. He really is better than most of the guys on the roster.

 

[Domino-Buster]

here is the word of clarity from me C.M Punk is a great heel i give that but look at him he is extremely small hell i know what match i would have wanted for breaking point Undetaker V.s The Champ Kane put C.M Punk beside Kane and you will see that the kid has nothing on the big red guy he deserves it more than C.M and hell he is a lot more interesting in the ring than Cookie-Monster Punk

 

[salomon1080s]

I actually think CM Punk is the perfect heel. He doesn't have to play to the cowardly heel to get heat. His gimmick allows to be hated without having to cheat. Everyone hates the straight edge person telling them what to do. Just like people hate people from peta trying to tell them not to eat meat. If WWE continues to push Cm Punk right he could easily be the next big heel of this generation.

 

[NIGuy]

I think anyone who doubts CM Punk needs to go and watch some of his ROH and his matches with Samoa Joe and see how good he is. Don't forget WWE has a certain style it expects wrestlers to adapt to and Punk has done an awesome job in my opinion of adapting styles from ROH to WWE

 

[Klown_Karnage]

Well, my own comments may seem a bit redundant after what has already been said, so I'll skip most of them to say that CM Punk has spent the past couple of years really coming into his own. He's an awesome performer both as a plucky underdog face with a ton of fight to what he is now, a vicious, sadistic, sanctimonious and hypocritical heel. In fact, I think he's better than Jericho as that sort of heel, in the ring at least. You see it in his fights with Matt Hardy. He has one of the cruelest in-ring grins in the WWE and that counts for more than you might think. When he's enjoying himself while inflicting pain, it's both believable and scary. I gotta say this, as a heel, Punk has really come into his own.

That being said, I admire both sides of the Punk coin and it's the mark of a great main eventer that he's both believable and interesting in both roles. That is, in my opinion, what makes people like Shawn Michaels, Triple H, and even The Undertaker great. Not just their in-ring ability (which Punk has a ton of) but their performance versatility. Do I think Punk at Triple H's level? No...not yet. But he's well on his way to getting there.

In conclusion, I have a feeling that Kane should be given something to do. Maybe go after the tag-team titles again, and unless he teams with his brother to bring back the Brothers of Destruction again, I'm thinking with Punk as he is, once he drops the World Heavyweight Title, he'd make a great tag-team partner with Kane. Frankly, they've already got plenty of experience there.

 

[Барбоса]

It just goes to show that you can't please everyone... even if you are the best thing going in the WWE and perhaps the wrestling world.

CM Punk has carried on the momentum of excellent heels created by Chris Jericho and Randy Orton in 2008. His slow turn since cashing in Money In The Bank against Hardy has been masterful. Not only has he continued his always fine in-ring work, he added the "fake injury" and the "unintentional disqualification" to gradually turn the crowd against him.

Then he unveiled his masterpiece... Straight-Edge

Since incorporating his independent and ROH persona into his WWE character, Punk's promos have been nothing short of breath-taking. Clever dialogue that has that element of truth is the mark of the a great heel. The crowd hates him not just because he was going up against a major face but also because he has targeted something that members of the audience realise that his attacks have some truth to them. The "holier-than-thou" angle has been done in the past but with Punk, you actually believe that it might be true. This guy doesn't drink or take drugs, prescription or recreation, and because you had a beer last night or took a pain-killer for a headache, it makes you wonder if he is better than you?

 

[Cebeards]

Sorry guys, I'm going more on the side of the poster on this one.

I will start with an easy statement, Punk is much better as a heel; with that said I will get into the important stuff.

The Money in The Bank is a grueling match, both of which CM Punk didn't do one impressive thing, he just stole it at the end...what a fucking face, don't do a damn thing the whole match then pull an edge at the end. CM Punk you are no edge, nor will you ever be. He stole his MITB and was a jobber champ on the first one...sad. Second one he got when he kicked Kane off of the ladder, after that he gets buried by Kane....is this making sense?

Please stop calling him the best performer in the WWE, have you watched whole episodes of Smackdown? By Raw comparison he isn't even the best. He is no Randy Orton, whether you like Orton or not he devastates people regardless of their size and he is not very big at all. He is a convincing champion. I know they make Orton out to be a big pussy, but he can really make moves look good.

Now just looking at smackdown he doesn't even put on matches that come to the caliber of Morrison, or even Ziggler. Talk shit about them not being ready but they are both gold in the ring. Morrison has put on a few of the best matches I have seen on free tv and Mr. Ziggles feud with Rey has been awesome, they have been fighting for 3 months and I never got bored.

Now with Punk's current title reign, he got it because of Jeff taking a break. He looked like crap in the TLC match, Jeff did all the work and Punk was given the title at the end...that is not impressive to me, kinda depressing to see such a good match and realize the lesser is walking away with a win he doesn't deserve.

He is getting better, his promos have been leaps and bounds beyond where he was last year. I don't care much for his ring work, sorry guys, nothing really pops for me. I see someone just getting by, he can't even finish a big guy. The GTS doesn't look decisive to me...it's more of a did it look like he kneed him?....what the hell, close enough. Edge was a bad guy, edge could spear anyone at any point and completely change a match. Orton has the RKO, Orton can kick you in the head, DDT you when your trying to get in the ring.....But none of that matters because Punk can knee you in 3 or 4 different ways and he can keep his leg straight when he kicks...neat. Sorry guys, he's good, but I wouldn't put him where he is.

Maybe in time I will learn to respect his placement....but in the mean time, I'm on the poster's side.

 

[Excalibur]

I guess I'm pretty middle of the road here. I don't think Punk is as great as some of his fans think, and he's not nearly as bad as his bashers say he is. His in ring style reminds me of RVD though I think RVD was much better. His mic skills are OK, but compared to Jeff Hardy whose mic skills aren't? He is entertaining but he isn't great yet, IMO.

I'm interested to see what happens at Breaking Point. If he beats Undertaker then maybe they will have him work a long program with Taker which will really benefit Punk. If Undertaker wins that may signal they are going in a different direction with the WHC and Punk was just the transition between Hardy and Taker.

 

[NMcQ]

I am going to have to completely and utterly disagree with just about everything that you just said.

He won MITB. That only qualifies him for a WHC shot because, believe it or not, that is one of the most grueling matches of the year. He is a damn good in ring performer. The majority of his matches are better than anything Cena/Orton has ever done. He is great on the mic. He is having some of the best promos in the WWE right now and I think that he has surpassed Jericho as the top heel of the company when he did the Jeff Hardy dress up. Bottom line is, he is entertaining as fuck to watch.

He shouldn't have won MITB. MITB is a great match but out of all the money in the bank matches that have been had, there have been only 2 deserving winners and that has been Edge and RVD. There is always someone in the MITB match who deserves to win it but doesn't. CM Punks matches are not entertaining at all. Cena and Orton are miles better..and im not a cena fan by the way. Cena and Ortons match at summerslam...alot of people bash it for having it restarted several times, but it was a great match, i bet it kept everyone on the edge of their seats wondering what would happen next and how orton would get out of each situation. Im sorry to say, he is nowhere near jericho in the top heels. Orton and Jericho are the top 2 heels in the company

Bottom line is, if CM Punk doesn't deserve the title, then neither did Jeff Hardy. Punk is better in the ring than Hardy and is far better on the mic than Hardy. So, tell me, what did Hardy do, besides jump off of a few ladders in his career, to earn the WHC?

CM Punk definitly doesn't deserve the title more than hardy. Hardy is more athletic than punk and alot better in the ring. Jump off a few ladders in his career? You've just proved our point. Jeff is willing to put his body or his life on the line to get to the top by taking these high risks etc. At the minute smackdown has no superstars who are good enough or ready enough for the main event except for Undertaker and Kane. Morrison and Ziggler will get there eventually but not yet. And no Rey Mysterio isnt worthy of the main event either

 

[StInGeR-HBK]

If anyone is to blame for the development of Punk's character, it's poor booking on the part of WWE. They have no idea what the hell they're doing and I don't know if they ever will. Punk is the top heel on Smackdown right now and there is no better choice for a champ on that brand right now. I can see Taker being champ but it's about time the younger guys get a chance and I'm tired of seeing him become champ, just to have the strap taken off of him a few weeks later cuz he's injured. Taker is past his prime and needs to start putting youger talent like Punk over. I think a good feud with Punk and Taker, if booked correctly, will really help Punk's credibility a lot. Especially if he makes Taker tap out on Sunday! That would just be over the top awesomeness. No doubt about it, Punk is a top performer in the company right now and every bit deserving to be WHC!!

 

[ZUMBOdriver]

CM Punk has plenty of credibility and also brings plenty of credibility to the main event scene. I was sitting front row at the Survivor Series when people were chanting Punk's name while he was standing in the ring with HHH, HBK, and the Hardly Boys. That sounds like credibility to me. He may not bring cred according to your typical Cena/DX/Batista loving fans, but he sure as hell brings tons credibility. He's bringing a lot more cred to the ME scene than Cena did when he was a newer main eventer getting booed out of the building at WM22 as the babyface.

And the Go To Sleep is a very devastating move. More devastating than the Rock Bottom thats for sure.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

He shouldn't have won MITB. MITB is a great match but out of all the money in the bank matches that have been had, there have been only 2 deserving winners and that has been Edge and RVD. There is always someone in the MITB match who deserves to win it but doesn't. CM Punks matches are not entertaining at all. Cena and Orton are miles better..and im not a cena fan by the way. Cena and Ortons match at summerslam...alot of people bash it for having it restarted several times, but it was a great match, i bet it kept everyone on the edge of their seats wondering what would happen next and how orton would get out of each situation. Im sorry to say, he is nowhere near jericho in the top heels. Orton and Jericho are the top 2 heels in the company




CM Punk definitly doesn't deserve the title more than hardy. Hardy is more athletic than punk and alot better in the ring. Jump off a few ladders in his career? You've just proved our point. Jeff is willing to put his body or his life on the line to get to the top by taking these high risks etc. At the minute smackdown has no superstars who are good enough or ready enough for the main event except for Undertaker and Kane. Morrison and Ziggler will get there eventually but not yet. And no Rey Mysterio isnt worthy of the main event either

What the hell does athleticism have to do with wrestling? I hear it time and time again and it still doesn't make any sense. All Hardy persists of is jumping off high stuff and that is it. Punk is better in the ring than Hardy and the die-hard Hardy fans cannot see that.

Plus, Hardy/Punk was ten times better than Cena/Orton. You want to talk how Punk's matches are boring when Orton's are even more boring. Right now Punk and Orton are the top two heels in the company with Punk being above Orton because he has had better matches and better crowd reaction.

 

[Wrath]

Let me get this straight. He doesn't deserve his ME spot because he has been booked not the way you wanted. Really is this your argument ? First of all the way how you booked do not give you your shot what gives is your overness. Secondly heels are not booked credible at least in WWE. I don't even need to give examples for this.

As for Punk's talents right now Cm Punk is the most entertaining guy on the roster. His promos,matches and feud with Jeff Hardy were all great. He even suprassed Jericho for top heel spot and aren't these enough reasons for being in ME. This guy came from an indy promotion at that time no one really heard of worked his way up to ME ladder step by step. Yes he had one shitty world title reign but at that time he wasn't ready and was booked like a shit. He wasn't given enough in ring action or promo time at least not as much as Jericho and Hbk his only opponents were JBL and Batista. Don't even need to mention his shitty IC and tag team runs because of creative. But he proved us if he's given a good opponent and enough mic time he can be one of the biggest main eventers in WWE.

So really what makes Punk really not that good ? His in ring and promo skills are great have played a huge part in the most exciting feud in WWE and made himself a huge name. Children hate him because he always attacks their favorite and we hate him because he thinks he is better than us just because he is straight edge. So everyone has a reason to hate him and he's probably the best heel right now. Right now Rey Mysterio and Jeff Hardy who are probably the most over two faces in SD gone and we still want to watch to show to see what will Punk do next. Cm Punk %100 deserves his spot and if someone wants to argue it I'm here to respond.

 

[Suneeboy]

I am going to have to completely and utterly disagree with just about everything that you just said.

So What

He won MITB. That only qualifies him for a WHC shot because, believe it or not, that is one of the most grueling matches of the year.

Thanks for re-establishing for us that he won MITB.

He is a damn good in ring performer. The majority of his matches are better than anything Cena/Orton has ever done..

I've never seen anything he has done that is better than Cena/HBK or Orton/HHH

He is great on the mic. He is having some of the best promos in the WWE right now and I think that he has surpassed Jericho as the top heel of the company when he did the Jeff Hardy dress up. Bottom line is, he is entertaining as fuck to watch.

Yeah its cool, but he's no Chris Jericho. Not by a long shot. Not even by the longest shot. He needs a lot more under his belt to be in the same breath as the LEGEND Chris Jericho.

I will agree that he really isn't a credible champion, but insert The Undertaker and in about two months, you will be changing your tune on this subject.

Ok he's not credible but yet he's the best heel in the company according to you? That doesn't make any sense to me.

Bottom line is, if CM Punk doesn't deserve the title, then neither did Jeff Hardy. Punk is better in the ring than Hardy and is far better on the mic than Hardy. So, tell me, what did Hardy do, besides jump off of a few ladders in his career, to earn the WHC?

Jeff Hardy had 3 top 10 selling items on on WWEShop.com. Jeff Hardy has been in the WWE for a decade and has CLASSIC historic matches are you serious? Are you serious? Let me say this again are you serious? Jeff Hardy is quite possibly dare I say it a Hall of Famer. Jeff Hardy is a WWE icon, and has put on some of the greatest matches in WWE History. Punk is decent on the mic but he's no Jericho, or HHH, or HBK, or Cena, or Orton, or Edge, or....you see my point?

And don't point out kayfabe to me. WWE hasn't hardly ever follows kayfabe so it really doesn't apply in this arguement, because from a kayfabe point of view, 'Taker shouldn't be in the title picture at all.

Huh? Of course 'Taker should be in the title picture. He just went 17-0 at WM 25. Just because he was out he's moved out the ranks? There's no one else there to face Punk. Who else qualifies over Taker then?

 

[Uncle Sam]

What the hell does athleticism have to do with wrestling?

Athletic: having to do with athletes; physically active; having a muscular, well developed body, being in shape; An attribute of a motion or play which requires fine physical ability

I'd say that's a rather favourable attribute to have in the physical business of professional wrestling, wouldn't you?

However, I imagine you meant in the sense that Shelton Benjamin and, as you go on to say, Jeff Hardy are athletic - they jump around a lot.

I appreciate that this a is a pro-Punk argument you're putting forward here, but in the proper sense of what athleticism is, Punk is as - if not more - athletic than the likes of Jeff Hardy.

I hear it time and time again and it still doesn't make any sense. All Hardy persists of is jumping off high stuff and that is it.

Just gonna check; this is hyperbole, right? I'm not saying that Hardy's wrestling style has hidden depths that you have yet to see, but to say that's all he does is an exaggeration. Not much of an exaggeration, but an exaggeration nonetheless.

Punk is better in the ring than Hardy and the die-hard Hardy fans cannot see that.

I agree, though I think that ring work is an area that's entirely subjective at this level.

Plus, Hardy/Punk was ten times better than Cena/Orton. You want to talk how Punk's matches are boring when Orton's are even more boring. Right now Punk and Orton are the top two heels in the company with Punk being above Orton because he has had better matches and better crowd reaction.

I don't really watch Raw. That sounds about right though.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

So What



Thanks for re-establishing for us that he won MITB.

I've never seen anything he has done that is better than Cena/HBK or Orton/HHH


Yeah its cool, but he's no Chris Jericho. Not by a long shot. Not even by the longest shot. He needs a lot more under his belt to be in the same breath as the LEGEND Chris Jericho.

Ok he's not credible but yet he's the best heel in the company according to you? That doesn't make any sense to me.

Jeff Hardy had 3 top 10 selling items on on WWEShop.com. Jeff Hardy has been in the WWE for a decade and has CLASSIC historic matches are you serious? Are you serious? Let me say this again are you serious? Jeff Hardy is quite possibly dare I say it a Hall of Famer. Jeff Hardy is a WWE icon, and has put on some of the greatest matches in WWE History. Punk is decent on the mic but he's no Jericho, or HHH, or HBK, or Cena, or Orton, or Edge, or....you see my point?


Huh? Of course 'Taker should be in the title picture. He just went 17-0 at WM 25. Just because he was out he's moved out the ranks? There's no one else there to face Punk. Who else qualifies over Taker then?

I would say that Punk/Hardy at Summerslam was the match of the year so far and better than any of those shitfests Orton and HHH had. The Orton/HHH rivalry was all about the buildup and failed to deliver. Punk/Hardy surpassed that by miles.

The only historic matches Jeff Hardy has had was the first two TLC matches and you can't say that was all because of him. There were five other competitors in that ring too. I wouldn't call Chris Jericho a legend either but that's a discussion for another day.

Kayfabe wise, Undertaker shouldn't get that spot against Punk. He did win at WM 25, but how many matches he has won since then? The answer is none. Morrison beat Punk twice over the past couple of months and he doesn't deserve to be the #1 contender. I guess Morrison can face Punk when he isn't champion but can't when Punk is.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Athletic: having to do with athletes; physically active; having a muscular, well developed body, being in shape; An attribute of a motion or play which requires fine physical ability

I'd say that's a rather favourable attribute to have in the physical business of professional wrestling, wouldn't you?

However, I imagine you meant in the sense that Shelton Benjamin and, as you go on to say, Jeff Hardy are athletic - they jump around a lot.

I appreciate that this a is a pro-Punk argument you're putting forward here, but in the proper sense of what athleticism is, Punk is as - if not more - athletic than the likes of Jeff Hardy.



Just gonna check; this is hyperbole, right? I'm not saying that Hardy's wrestling style has hidden depths that you have yet to see, but to say that's all he does is an exaggeration. Not much of an exaggeration, but an exaggeration nonetheless.



I agree, though I think that ring work is an area that's entirely subjective at this level.



I don't really watch Raw. That sounds about right though.

I was thinking on terms of Shelton Benjamin when I meant athleticism but I do agree Punk is more athletic than Hardy.

I must admit that Hardy has improved over the past few years but I would say a slight improve. He has incorporated technical wrestling from time to time but the crowd will cheer as long as he takes risks.

 

[Blade]

I'm going to cut straight to the chase. I don't know what people see in him, but he is not that good, and he damn sure isn't a credible main eventer. He has been given title after title, but really what has he done to truley deserve this? I'm speaking in a ratio of about 80% kayfabe/20% reality.

Firstly, pick either kayf or reality. Don't switch between the two, or else proving you wrong will get quite boring!

Well the fact that he's better than 90% of the roster is why he deserves it. I mean with his promos and in ring work combined, there are very few that are better. Cena, Jericho and Orton. They're probably the only guys better than Punk at the moment, not including a certain injured Rated R superstar. Seriously, the guy is better than Triple H right now and better at than HBK right now too. He's better than Batista and he might be better than Undertaker, it's too early to tell. His in ring work is good to great and his promos are getting close to amazing. He is the most convincing promo cutter on the WWE roster.

I'm going to go from when he won his first MITB and got drafted to RAW. Who has he beaten? He was jobbing out the ass until one day he gets a fluke win over Edge for the WHC. Then what? He gets a double DQ in a match against Batista and looks completely weak during the match. He beats Snitsky, William Regal, and JBL a couple of times. He loses the title by getting taken out by Orton.

Yeah, he won MitB. That in itself is a huge feat.
Well, he's beaten Jeff Hardy. He's beaten both Edge and Jeff Hardy in a Triple threat match. And he's beaten Jericho on more than one occasion. Considering he's only been a main eventer for about 2 months, I'd that's not bad.
Everyone agrees that his first title reign was bad. Everyone realises that he wasn't ready. That's why they gave him another year to get better and it has definately paid off.
Main event status should come from being awesome in the ring, not from beating a main eventer once while you're a midcarder. If that were true, the Brooklyn Brawler would have a world title reign.

He wins the tag straps with Kofi and loses them at a house show to M&M. Wins the IC title Tourney and beats Regal after 3 DQ wins in a row. He defends against no one and loses clean to JBL. He sporadically jobs and doesn't get any huge victories and then wins MITB. Loses cleanly to Kane and Umaga (in his hometown), then beats Umaga twice cleanly.

Yeah, it wasn't a great year for him. But he got better in the ring, and that's what should count.

Cashes in on Hardy the same night and gets another fluke WHC win.

Fluke: noun An accident, a one time occurence

*ahem*

Loses to Morrison cleanly on TV twice, but finally gets a clean win before his title defense.

Come on, Punk was helping make Morrison into a star. And he succeeded. Look how over Morrison has become after his wins over Punk. That should show how good Punk is.

Gets a DQ loss to Hardy.

Making him credible as a bastard heel.

Loses by DQ to Khali in a match in which he got squashed.

When was the last time anyone won against Khali without cheating, in fairness?

Gets pinned by Matt Hardy in a tag match.

Matt Hardy's return match. He was always gonna get the big pin.

Loses to Hardy cleanly for the WHC. Then beats him the next month two nights in a row because Jeff was leaving the company...he HAD to drop the strap. Loses to Matt Hardy by DQ last week on Smackdown.

Yeah, Hardy had to drop the strap. It was given to Punk. If you're the second most over person on a show, and the only person more over than you is Jeff Hardy then you're definately doing something right.

With that said, where is the credibility in this character? He doesn't have the physique, his moves aren't devestating in comparison to his peers, and he isn't a threat to anyone! What the hell has this guy done that seem to make people say, "Oh he's such a great heel!" The guy is average at best and isn't bringing any credibility or prestige to the main event scene on Smackdown.

Credibility comes more from having great matches than having big wins. Fact. But if you want match credibility, how about this:
The guy has won MitB twice. TWICE. Think of the people that have failed to win MitB. Christian, Kane, Mark Henry, MVP, Ric Flair, Both Hardys, Booker T. Some very credible names there. Yet Punk has won 2 of them. How is he not credible!

I mean he can't even beat a fat ass Matt Hardy?

A DQ loss. It looked like Punk had the choice to finish off Hardy or hurt him with the chair. Either way, he had Hardy's ass beaten. Hardy needed Taker to save him. Just saying.

If this guy can be WHC ANYONE can be WHC. Where is Punk's big win?
Where is his moment of glory that solidifies him? I mean c'mon he is a 3 time champion now. He can EASILY go back to the mid card at anytime. The guy isn't that good and damn sure shouldn't be WHC. I think the WWE agrees with me and will take it off of him at Breaking Point and have him feud with Hardy in the mid card to upper mid card where he belongs.

What's a "big win"? I'm dying to know. Is it beating Hardy? Or Edge? Or JBL? Or Jericho? Or Kane? He's beaten all those guys. What do you want from him!?
And they're trying to solidfy him as a main eventer by putting him in the feud with the Undertaker. Knowing WWE, they'll book it like shit. But it'll still somewhat help Punk. I mean, there have been way less credible champions than Punk in the past. Hardy's first world title reign, Mankind, The Rock when he was in the corporation.
Either come up with better arguments or stop complaining about your petty hate for Punk.

 

[JGalaxtic]

ha I gotta say this is a nice subject. Yes CM Punk had been booked badly ever since his first MITB win. His run in ECW was amazing - yet somehow when he went to RAW. It all sorta went to shit - it's hard to choose sides when it's really the bookers fault. But something amazing happened - he was drafted to SD! and again CM Punk showed us he can do amazing things. (With of course, the right amount of support and direction by great bookers). It's the writers (etc.) that should be blamed for ruining the rise of Punk.
Not the actual performer, because christ you gotta be insane if you can't see the talent radiating out of him.