CM Punk Ain't That Good

[Miko]

What's to say about CM Punk? He seems. . . . . . . . decent enough, his so called awesome promo's are pretty average I think, as for this massive heel reaction, well I've been watching Smackdown and he dont do much except get a couple of kids to do the thumbs down signal. Jericho heat is better, Orton heat is heat is better and Edge's heat before he got injured was better.

His promo's even now just seem plain, like "I am a straight edge guy who tries to hard to rub it in". Sorry dude, dont care, I cant see that many other people giving a shit either. In the ring he's okay, unique which is a good thing, but not really blowing my mind with his heel psychology. Yeah thats all I got on that one.

 

[SSJPhenom]

What's to say about CM Punk? He seems. . . . . . . . decent enough, his so called awesome promo's are pretty average I think, as for this massive heel reaction, well I've been watching Smackdown and he dont do much except get a couple of kids to do the thumbs down signal. Jericho heat is better, Orton heat is heat is better and Edge's heat before he got injured was better.

Are we watching the same WWE programming? Orton is getting cheered more and more when he comes out. So that cancels him out of being the top heel. Jericho is getting less of a reaction either one way or another so that cancels him out as being the top heel. CM Punk is srtaight up booed to hell and gone. His Promos are great because he does them so effortlessly and he has that bit of truth behind what he is saying which always works good for a heel.

His promo's even now just seem plain, like "I am a straight edge guy who tries to hard to rub it in". Sorry dude, dont care, I cant see that many other people giving a shit either. In the ring he's okay, unique which is a good thing, but not really blowing my mind with his heel psychology. Yeah thats all I got on that one.

I have already covored his promos. His heel psychology is outstanding! Did you see his facial expressions when Hardy got back into the ring to climb the ladder at SS? Did you see his sadistic smile when he was going to ram Matt into the post with the chair? His heel psychology is outstanding!

 

[emptyspiral28]

here is a poll from wrestling-edge.com

What will be the highlight of Breaking Point?

Cena vs. Orton 14%
Punk vs. Taker 49%
DX vs. Legacy 13%
Show/Jericho vs. Henry/MVP 4%
Dolph vs. Morrison 17%
Kane vs. Khali 3%

nuff said......

 

[brainsuks123]

CM PUNK is currently at a Road to Hall of fame path to me He took jeffs world title TWICE. He ended jeffs wwe Career. He is a 3 time world champion. Was in about 7 Huge rivalries. 2 time money in the bank winner. World tag team champion and ecw champion. And now hes facing the undertaker all in jsut 3 years. This man is skillfull and will be the best in wwe when the top dog undertaker leaves wwe for good.

 

[GJM316]

Lets face it, these days Taker picks his feuds with guys he actually wants to work with and why would Taker work with someone who is 'crap'? I assume he feels he wants to work with someone who will bring out the best in him and visa versa. Lets look at his recent big feuds working backwards - Shawn Michaels (can anyone doubt his ability and credentials?), Edge (a present from officials probably for having to work with....), Batista (who had his ONLY good matches with Taker). Now, CM Punk is looking to be the next feud for the Undertaker and that clearly means that Punk is regarded as oneof the best on SmackDown currently. If he wasn't, Taker would probably feud with someone else and Punk would be feuding with Matt Hardy properly. (BTW- note to the original poster regarding Matt Hardy being out of shape - lets see if you can work out effectively with a tear in your abs for a year, before you diss someone try and find out if there is a reason behind it dumbass!) Punk is a great wrestler, a great promo guy with a great gimmick. Leave him alone. If your idea of a true main eventer is someone like Batista (not meaning to sound disrespectful for big Dave) then you are an idiot. Batista seems like a great guy, but he is limited in every way but because he is HUGE people automatically regard him as a proper main eventer. My hope is that the future of this industry is built on people like Jericho, Punk and other smaller guys who can actually wrestle and tell a damn good story in the ring.

 

[Suneeboy]

OHHH MY LORD, WHAT A HECK??

DAMN IT!

GUYS HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN WHAT WRESTLING IS? CM PUNK A GREAT HEEL? THE GUY HAS 3 MONTHS DOING A DECENT PASSABLE JOB AND YOU CALL HIM THE BEST HEEL IN WWE? WHAT A DISRESPECT TO THE LEGENDS IS THAT? WHAT ABOUT JERICHO ABOUT EDGE ORTON? ARE YOU WATCHING CM PUNK ONLY? OR I DONT KNOW....

YOU SEE CM PUNK HAS INDEED THE POTENTIAL TO BE WORLD CHAMPION BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT HE'S NOT READY YET! THAT'S THE PROBLEM, CM PUNK IS NOT SO OILED IN THE RING YET, HAS HAD NO BIG MATCHES, AND HAS NOT HAD ENOUGH TIME IN WWE TO BE THE MAN DAMN IT!

I MEAN LOOK AT EDGE, HE'S A 9 TIME WORLD CHAMPION OK, BUT HEY! HE SPENT 7 YEARS IN WWE WORKING HARD, BATTLING THROUGH INJURIES HAVING AWESOME FEUDS AND ALL OF THAT, TO THEN CLIMB TO THE WORLD TITLE, SAME AS JEFF, JEFF DEBUTED IN WWE AT AGE 16, SPENT HIS DAMN ENTIRE LIFE BEATING THE HELL OUT OF HIS BODY TO THEN, CLIMB TO THE TOP. AND NOW CM PUNK DEBUTS IN 2006, IS GIVEN 2 MONEY IN THE BANKS THAT HE DIDN'T DESERVE AND THEN YOU ALL SAY HE'S GREAT, HE'S AWESOME, COME ON!!!!!!!

NAME 1 MATCH CM PUNK HAS HAD IN WWE THAT YOU'LL NEVER FORGET.

...........

SPACE IN BLANK BECAUSE HE HASN'T HAD ONE!

CM PUNK NOT READY, UNDESERVED PUSH AND IM VERY SAD ABOUT HAVING THAT THING IS WORLD CHAMPION

While your all CAPS is very painful to read, I see that you are on the same page as me as you realize people are cumming in their pants over a guy who hasn't really proven himself. He is getting pushed, and is getting titles, but he isn't in the upper echelon yet. Why is he so great? Because he cut a straight edge heel promo? Me thinks not. I'll address this more in my other replies....I can't get my point across like I want responding to all CAPS.

 

[Miko]

Are we watching the same WWE programming? Orton is getting cheered more and more when he comes out. So that cancels him out of being the top heel.

Aint watched RAW in a while, last time I did Orton was hated, certainly more so than what Punk is now. Also the internet fans in general seem to hate Orton, which to me is always a bonus when choosing a good heel.

Jericho is getting less of a reaction either one way or another so that cancels him out as being the top heel.

Jericho is everything that people are claiming Punk to be, the cowardly heel who thinks he is better than everyone. He gets his arse kicked pretty much everyweek and people still try to boo him out of the building.

CM Punk is srtaight up booed to hell and gone.

The most I've seen him booed was when he pretended to be Hardy, and that was out of Hardy love more so than Punk hate. Outside of that his reactions have been decent, even after the Hardy thing people seemed to lose interest right up until Matt interrupted.

His Promos are great because he does them so effortlessly and he has that bit of truth behind what he is saying which always works good for a heel.

The bit of truth part I agree with actually. Effortlessly? The guy tries so hard he might as well just grab the mic and scream "HATE MMEEE PLEEAASEE!!". He just seems so fake.

His heel psychology is outstanding!

Punk's heel psychology makes me miss JBL, now there was a hated guy, Randy Orton has great heel psychology as well, you hate every minute of when Orton's in control of a match.

Did you see his facial expressions when Hardy got back into the ring to climb the ladder at SS? Did you see his sadistic smile when he was going to ram Matt into the post with the chair? His heel psychology is outstanding!

His expressions are okay I guess, he can at least do fear well enough, as far sadistic I'll take a Jericho or JBL smirk, or a Orton viper look of death. They all have faces you wanted to punch because they were enjoying it so much, even though you knew it'd be bad for your health. Punk just looks meh.

If your idea of a true main eventer is someone like Batista (not meaning to sound disrespectful for big Dave) then you are an idiot. Batista seems like a great guy, but he is limited in every way but because he is HUGE people automatically regard him as a proper main eventer. My hope is that the future of this industry is built on people like Jericho, Punk and other smaller guys who can actually wrestle and tell a damn good story in the ring.

So ignore the fact that Batista's way over and actually entertaining, I dont understand all this storytelling crap I'll admit, all I know is Batista's matches have more tension and excitement than some of these so called amazing smaller guys, Jericho included. I dont think I am alone in that thought either. Hence Batista's popularity.

 

[Jonnie Walker]

I think that as a Face,there's nothing special about him.He was undeserving.But as a heel,he may be the best in the WWE."Better than Jericho?" Yeah,because even though Jericho is a great heel,he's essentially a jobber.Punk is like a new bike,only you hate it for telling you what to do and beating up your friend all the time.Should he be a three time world champ?Should Cena or Batista?Punk is the new top dog,the new main event heel.He makes children cry.We all saw Smackdown when he beat up Jeff the first,second,and third time.He retired the most over face in the WWE.He made multiple people cry.Think about that.

 

[Suneeboy]

Let me address a couple of posts at once without responding and quoting.

Heel Turn: Pretty original, but not cutting edge or groundbreaking like I am hearing. The guy gets heat, but not GREAT heat. What show are you watching? Or do you just have the volume up so high that you think the boos are louder than they are? Punk is a better heel than Jericho? Yeah Orton gets cheered by the smarks because he is an AWESOME performer, but when he wants to get heat, he gets it like NO OTHER. CM Punk cuts good promos but I'm not doing flips and enjoying myself so much that I'm glued to the television....what the hell is the big deal about his promos? Tell me that. He does not get top heel heat, period.

Promos: Jericho and HBK had a promo over the unsanctioned match and had a contract signing on RAW that was simply gold. Punk has cut a couple of straight edge promos and all of a sudden he is so fucking great? That's all it takes to prove something to you guys? A few promos over a 3 month span and a guy has made history? That's a spit in the face to the people who have put years in the business and who have really revolutionized the "promo". JBL's promo at One Night Stand in the Hammerstein ballroom was a GREAT promo. HBK's vignette on the Undertaker before WM25 was a GREAT promo. Randy Orton's promo on how great he will be and how he will be the future of the company and have everyone look up to him (before WM25) was a GREAT promo. CM Punk saying he doesn't use prescription meds is fun to watch, but its not GREAT and not historic. I'm hearing best promo work over the past couple of years...that shit made my eyes and ears bleed! Really? That's all it takes to please a hardcore wrestling fan these days. Is the WWE that shit these days that CM punk cutting a couple of promos puts him in the upper echelon of great heels and great promo/mic work of the past couple of YEARS? Damn...the WWE has terrible mic workers then.

Ring Work: Punk is good in the ring, but he doesn't bring anything to the table that I haven't seen. His in ring psychology is no where near the level of Orton's....no fucking where NEAR. Its also no where near the level of Jericho's. Those are really our only main event heels right now so I can't compare it to anyone else unfortunately....but I will throw in Edge he's only been gone for 2 months. Its no where NEAR the level of Edge. His in ring work is good, but the guy is not a fucking great performer at least not yet. Give me a break and stop throwing out praise like its water at a beach. I'm not saying he doesn't work hard, but he is not the best and that's the damn truth.

Undertakers#1fan said his facial expressions are great. Hell Kane can make a sadistic smile with the best of them, his facial expressions aren't more intimidating or sadistic than Kane's.

CM Punk is giving you guys groundbreaking mic and in ring work? He is doing things that you have never seen before and its just blowing you away that you say he is having a historic run? Get the fuck outta here, the guy hasn't solidified his spot yet. Best promos in the last couple of years? Lets not forget the Rock was still with the company and a heel a couple of years ago. HHH was a heel as was HBK a couple of years ago. JBL was here a couple of years ago and did GREAT promo work. Don't disgrace the names of legends by saying CM Punk has done better work on the mic than they have when they were in their primes. You're talking about years that moved them into Hall of Fame status. CM Punk is no fucking where near where HHH was 5 years ago! Let him main event a fucking Wrestlemania and have a main event run for more than a year before you start moving him to top heel status and declaring that he is the refreshing savior of the WWE. Don't give me that shit for one second. Wake up and smell the coffee and don't fall into the short term memory trap that the WWE can easily put you in by writing characters out so easily.

He's going to lose to 'Taker on Sunday. Undertaker does deserve the shot because no one else does. JoMo had his title shot against Hardy and lost, he's out. Mysterio is out. Jericho is in a tag team and not in the heavyweight division right now. Edge is out. Ziggler is not eligible, he lost his IC Title matches, R-Truth doesn't qualify he hasn't beaten anyone, and neither has Finlay, Mike Knox, Khali, Kane, Slam Master J, and the rest of the Smackdown roster. Undertaker is the undisputed #1 contender in kayfabe and in real fucking life.

CM Punk is good, and I'm glad that he is getting a half decent run...but he's not great and he's not the best heel in the company. His promos aren't the best I've heard, and definitely not the best I've heard in the last 5-10 years, and I quite frankly I am sick of reading how fucking great he is on these boards and he is still wiping the jobbing slime off of his back. He's not that good. People must have nothing else to look forward to or don't remember what great mic, ring, and heel work is that you are saying the shit he is doing right now is historic and the best. We are only 8 years removed from the attitude era folks.

 

[shafe_41]

CM Punk is good, and I'm glad that he is getting a half decent run...but he's not great and he's not the best heel in the company. His promos aren't the best I've heard, and definitely not the best I've heard in the last 5-10 years, and I quite frankly I am sick of reading how fucking great he is on these boards and he is still wiping the jobbing slime off of his back. He's not that good. People must have nothing else to look forward to or don't remember what great mic, ring, and heel work is that you are saying the shit he is doing right now is historic and the best. We are only 8 years removed from the attitude era folks.

So much bitching here. Somebody wore their Thursday panties instead of their Wednesday panties and that upsets them. Where is all this comparison to HHH and shit coming in? I wish I didn't have to work today because I came here to read this absurd thread that Punk isn't that good...and per usual... xfear beat me to the punch and said everything I wanted to say. Fucking figures...

Anywho... CM Punk is indeed the best thing in the WWE right now. He's the best heel right now. He's pretty much the best at everything right now. The point made about Punk being able to wrestle any type of match is complete and utter gospel truth and should be engraved in stone. This man hasn't been in one match that has been trash. Not one. At least none that I have seen. Punk is indeed the most "hated" man in the WWE today. And yes he's only been a heel for about 3 months now, but he's doing a better job than most could in his shoes. His work on the mic as a face... not great. His work on the mic as a heel... total 180. Everything that Punk says garners heat on him. Everything. He's the best heel we have seen in a long long time. Probably since HHH's Evolution heel character. Nobody is saying (and if they are, I have yet to see it) that his promos are the best in the last 5-10 years. Nobody is dumb enough to say that... at least I hope not. We still had the Rock and Austin 10 years ago. Nobody is that absurd. But they're damn good. Punk's ring work... is damn good... if not the best all-around wrestler in that locker room as far as techincal, striking, agility, spotfest, hardcore, wear your ass out style goes.

Add all that stuff up. Being damn good (but not the best) at everything is still going to carry you to the top of pretty much any business. Dare I say... CM Punk is the god damn Deion Sanders of the WWE. Deion was a pretty damn good football player. He was a good baseball player. He was a good rapper (ok that's a joke). But he was just naturally good at everything. Go back to high school and find the star athlete of your junior or senior class. I'll bet he is great at baseball, basketball, football, and who knows what else... fucking golf for all we know. That's Punk. He's got god-given talent to be in that ring and be one of the best. He's exciting now. Wait 5 years. You'll eat your words that "he's not that good."

 

[lenguy]

hey! this has obviously turned into quite the debate.need i remind you all that its just a matter of opinion on this.theres no right or wrong.if you hate him.fanfuckingtastic.you have the right.if you like him and think hes great then thats also acceptable.your all trying to force your own opinions onto others like your right.or like hes wrong.its really..really entertaining...kinda like C.M. Punk,yupp.

i never like him as a face.he got a bit stale after he captured his first world title.now that hes a heel, hes taken his already straight edge gimmick and just elevated it.took it to a whole new level.i personally love his promos.its all directed to insult and expose the fans.which we all know to an extend,hes right and thats what pisses them off the most.

why are people talking about his physic who cares if he dosent have abs you can grade cheese on.as long as he gets it done in the ring

which brings me to his in ring work.hes pretty good.it entertains me to say the least. Hes no perfect.but than again who the hell is.id say punk is really trying hard to make this work because obviously hes very good at a more heelish persona. i like it.im not asking any of you to jump on the same boat as me.just try and understand where im coming from.its all just a matter of opinion really.hate him,you hate him good job.like him you like him,also a good job

 

[CenaSux4Life78]

CM Punk in MY opinion is very over rated, much like Cena is. Yes they are good at what they do, but not that good. I enjoy bashing the performers that I dont like, but I try to give credit where it is due as well. Shafe_41 said that Punk is the best heel right now. Well only if you watch Smackdown, and Smackdown alone. I feel that Punk has a good chance at being a future big draw, but right now he is more fit for mid-card or ECW title runs. Though his heel performance is getting stronger, I would give another year or two before you can say he is the best at anything.

 

[TwistofRKO]

Punk's heel turn was extraordinarily executed, and he's cut some excellent promos, so on those notes I complete agree.

Now when you get to the in-ring work, which is completely subjective, I don't think he's that special. Yes, above-average, but he's one of those guys where you've seen one match you've seen them all. The only consensus matches people seem to remember have lasted about 45 seconds... combined.

He draws deep heat, rarely fails to involve the crowd, and he had a great first feud with Jeff Hardy. Let's hope he progresses in-ring, especially since he's working with the Undertaker now.

 

[hArdyPUNKmArk]

Come on, seriously give the guy a break. He's owning Smackdown right now and is shitting over any other heel over there. Jericho heat has dropped, he's still a top guy but Punk is getting bigger reactions. Orton get's cheered for fucks sake and.... and.... oh wait, we're out of top heels to rate him against. Yes, he is probably the best heel right now, past 5-10yrs? Of course not but he is doing a damn good job.

You have to give the man credit, 3yrs and he's already a kick ass champion that has retired Hardy and is now going to feud with the great one Taker. The guy just keeps getting better and better. Compared to last year he has completley 180'd to be a great champion.

Some people on here are over the praise given to Punk?! I'm over the bitching in this thread about him. It's people like you that are just too hard to please and will bitch about anything the majority thinks is working.

When Punk came out on SD dressed as Jeff he got a huge heel reaction once people realised it was him, his promo was gold and the match against Matt later on was decent. As for him having any memorable match's? Of course, if it wasnt for the Taker/Michaels match at WM25 his SummerSlam match with Hardy in a TLC would be MOTY for me.

Punk is doing awesome, so stop bitching and enjoy it.

 

[hArdyPUNKmArk]

Punk is doing great, when he came out as Jeff on SD last week he got one of the biggest heel reactions in a long time.

His promo's have improved enormously and his ring work has been outstanding. I don't know why people continue to bitch when they are getting a world class entertainer right now. No one rivals him on Smackdown, he's the best heel on there right now, for sure.

Is he the best of the last 5-10yrs? Of course not but he is still doing a tremendous job.

NAME 1 MATCH CM PUNK HAS HAD IN WWE THAT YOU'LL NEVER FORGET.

...........

His match with Hardy at SummerSlam would be match of the year if Taker/Michaels hadn't had their match at WM25. Having the 2nd best match of the year is pretty decent in my opinion, especially considering you only lost to a Taker/Michaels match. Every match he's been in since turning has been awesome.

 

[Undar8d]

Sure, CM Punk is good and all, but from what people are saying, i don't agree with most.

Originally Posted by Undertaker's#1fan
CM Punk is srtaight up booed to hell and gone.

This is way overboard. His boos aren't that much, and going out as to call him the best hell at the moment is way too much. "Jerishow" get a lot more heat from what I hear. The boo's for the CM Punk are just little ones, I've never heard a big one and where the crowd actually cared a lot, besides the one where he dressed like Hardy.

CM Punk needs to do more stuff like this because that was a really great idea. But particularly Jericho, but also Big Show gets the crowd going and he's doing great with the Unified Tag Team Championships atm.

CM Punk's mic skills. His mic skills are beyond what most can do in the buisness today, but he needs to find a way to gather more heat upon himself. But overall, his mic skills are really good.

Overall, CM Punk is developing, but I can't see how people calling him the best heel, and all this crap. He's still got a long ways to go.

 

[Paradox]

Okay, it's pretty clear that you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about here. While I will admit that I have been pissed at the way that he has been booked since his ECW days. Punk is one of the best stars on the roster. He consistently has good matches. Which is better than most. The guy has become golden on the mic. He's one of the best; as well in a short time has become one of the best heel's in the business.

What does Jericho or Orton have on Punk right now? Nothing, why because to me both of their characters have nearly run their courses. Punk is fresh. Also it's not very many times that we have someone that is the bad guy that does the things that a good guy would do. He's straight edge, that's what makes him so intriguing to many. It's like Hogan saying, because I eat my vitamins I'm better. Well, not exactly, but you get my point. Did you see last week? Did you see the look on the fans faces when he cut that promo? Here look.

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What else does this man have to do? After Jeff's feel good moment, he comes out and hits him in the back of the head. Then he impersonated one of the most beloved stars in wwe. Not only that he than shoved it down the fans throats that he's gone! Come on, the guy has become one of the most hated men in wwe. He's heel turn has been amazing! To say that he's under Jericho, or Orton is ridiculous!

To those who think he's not, what does he have to do? Look the guy has had some great matches as of late. The steel cage match, and TLC in the same week. Both were excellent matches. The TLC was one of the better one on one matches that we've seen. Punk has earned his spot and will continue to do so as he proves himself more.

Nuff said! Discussion over! Like that'll ever happen.

 

[shafe_41]

Paradox owns this win for this thread. He supplied proof that Punk is the best heel in the company. Plus, if drilling Hardy in the back of the head after that "feel good moment" when he said goodbye to the fans, and then impersonating him on Smackdown the following week isn't enough for Punk to be credible as a heel... well then... you assholes need to forget about the "Attitude Era" because it's gone, it's been gone, quit comparing shit to it... that is all kids.

 

[WrestlingIsMyWife]

Punk is Gold. Punk to me was Edge before Edge was Edge and was Jericho before Jericho was Jericho, "referring to his heel work" Punk has been epic since about 2002 when he was in IWA/MS. No I wont Punk on the level of Jericho...yet that is. And as far as the Punk vs Orton debate goes, well that's interesting but Punk's mic work is 10 fold better and he's as good in the ring and if not better. As someone previously stated, Punk can work any ring style, not even Bryan Danielson could carry Snitsky to a great match. And did the poster say Hardy did all the hard work in the TLC Match? LOL wow...I guess you only read the match and didnt really watch it. Punk took the worse end on the superplex on the ladder.

 

[The Viper]

Lets see, 1st he has been around the wwe since 1998, with his brother matt as one of the top teams the hardys. They won six tag team titles.
He held the Ic title by beating Triple H in 2001. Also that same year he held the light heavyweight and Hardcore belt as well on his way to a solo push.
He won his third hardcore title in 2002.
When he came back to the wwe in 2006, he won his 2nd IC title that same year and his third came a few weeks later
In 2007, he captured his 4th IC title.
I think this more then signifies Hardy to hold the wwe championship as well as being completly over with the fans, not to talk about paying his dues in the company.
Compare that to punks credentials and tell me which one is more qualified to hold the belt, and I am not talking bout ring of honor or indy titles for punk just his stuff in wwe

You also left out how Jeff was suspended 2 times for drugs, oh and how he left the company for TNA. Hmmmmm yeah cm punk didn't do any of that

 

[jr7936]

I know i didn't post that cause it had nothin to do with what i responding too
I was just trying to make the point that hardy deserved the belt more then punk did which in my mind I truly agree with the fact that hardy did deserve his title opportunties from years of hard work in the wwe. Oh and how long has punk been around in the wwe, wow a whole 2 years and the only times he can win the title is though using money in the bank in a cheap fashion and getting the title since someone was leaving the wwe. Wow real way to show that he can win the title in a credible fashion.

 

[FromTheSouth]

Punk is the best heel in the WWE right now (outside of maybe Jericho), if the best heel doesn't deserve the strap, who the hell does. When Punk was a face, I may of agreed with you but since his heel turn, he has been easily one of the top 3 guys in the company. Besides, the only reason he wasn't a credible champ was because of booking, had nothing to do with CM Punk.

Orton is the best heel in the business. The only heel that does nearly as good of work in telling a story is Kurt Angle.

I understand the Punk hate. I have always found him a bit sloppy in the ring. I think that his MMA looks real, but his pro wrestling is a step behind the other main eventers. I've never considered him good at selling either. I don't think he can tell a story as well as Jericho, Cena, HHH, or even Batista. If he's not dominating the action, he moves to quickly. It kind of ruins my suspension of disbelief sometimes because he is moving to well to be hurt.

 

[FromTheSouth]

Punk is the best heel in the WWE right now (outside of maybe Jericho), if the best heel doesn't deserve the strap, who the hell does. When Punk was a face, I may of agreed with you but since his heel turn, he has been easily one of the top 3 guys in the company. Besides, the only reason he wasn't a credible champ was because of booking, had nothing to do with CM Punk.

Orton is the best heel in the business. The only heel that does nearly as good of work in telling a story is Kurt Angle.

I understand the Punk hate. I have always found him a bit sloppy in the ring. I think that his MMA looks real, but his pro wrestling is a step behind the other main eventers. I've never considered him good at selling either. I don't think he can tell a story as well as Jericho, Cena, HHH, or even Batista. If he's not dominating the action, he moves to quickly. It kind of ruins my suspension of disbelief sometimes because he is moving to well to be hurt.

 

[pgerasucks]

i think cm punk should have never got the title i myself cant stand him i much rather would have seen hardy the champ and hope taker smashes him and holds that title one more time with a real title reign not just until the next pay per view

 

[wolvdog316]

Really? Some of us are ACTUALLY fucking using sentence "prove themselves" to us? Who the fuck are we? And why the shit does he need to prove crap to us? Is that your idea of enjoying wrestling? Sit back eating lays chips talkin about how this guy hasn't proved himself, or that guy didn't pay "his dues".

This sounds like a bullshit kayfabe 10 year old writing this crap.

REAL wrestling fans could give two craps if anybody PROVED themselves. We just want to be entertained. And Punk does. With fantastic mic work, excellent matches, the ability to work multiple styles. He's on the top of his game right now.

And did somebody really mention Orton as being a better mic piece? If that isn't the biggest load of shit I have ever read. Orton? The same guy that talks in the same tone for 3 minutes? I COULD DO THAT. I could talk in the same tone and threaten people. That's horrible. Did Hogan talk in the same tone? Did Austin, did the Rock? Did Flair? NO. Cause if they did they would have NEVER been as huge as they were.

That's why NOBODY gives a crap about Orton. Why he is ONLY the 2nd best heel because everybody under him is complete crap right now. Orton couldn't have a 5 star match if his life was dependent on it. He couldn't even have a 4 star. He gets boo'd cause of his actions, NOT because of what he does or what he says. MDM, Jake the Snake, Honky, HHH, Flair, Hogan. Those guys got MASSIVE heat because of the way the handled themselves and how they talked. You could take probably 3-4 guys on the WWE roster right now, and lead them down the same path Orton is on and the outcome would be pretty close.

And MVP? Kane? These have to be the worst counter arguments I have ever heard. A guy that I love, MVP, but gets 50% crowd interaction. Kane, who gets maybe 15%? And your going to compare that to a guy who gets probably 95-98%?

Who cares about the credible blah blah shit. If he comes out, gets boo'd to hell and back, and makes the face look good, he did his job. Which he does.