Candice Michelle Injured!

[The Chlamydia Kid]

This thread disgusts me. People here are actually arguing if someone getting seriously injured is a good thing... I would like to see one of you internet tough guys go in the ring and take a bump of the top turnbuckle. You'd probably never talk shit to anyone ever again.

As long as Candice goes what happened was an accident. It wasn't due to lack of training, it was just an accident. she tripped on the rope and lost her balance. It happens to every wrestler who does spots off the ropes. Hayabusa broke his neck that way. I can't even count the number of times Shelton tripped off the ropes. Now you can tell me, yeah, but Shelton didn't injure himself while doing it. You also gotta realize that Candice is a woman. Not trying to sound like a pig but women ARE more fragile than men. Less muscle = more impact on the bones. The only reason Candice didn't end up breaking her neck during that fall is because she protected herself as well as she could. She twisted her body a bit making her shoulder take most of the hit and she put her arms in front of her face which helped, too. Don't forget that she was trained by Finlay and Arn Anderson.

I just don't understand how can anyone here cheer a wrestler getting injured. These people go out there 200+ times a year for you people. They take bumps, get hurt, so you could turn on your TV and have something to watch. And you replay them by being a bunch of ******ed morons. I am ashamed to be a wrestling fan just for the sole fact that I get to be associated with people like you.

 

[AnthonyMango/NoFate007]

No one has ever claimed for her to be the best, or anywhere near it, because facts are, she's not. ........She nearly faced death Monday and even with that, she'll still return and do what she wants to do and you're gonna tell me that you have no respect for someone who will still put her life and body on the line just to try and get you to respect, like, accept, her etc? Come on! .........Beth was simply doing what was asked. She was unsure of what to do. What would you do if something like that was to happen right in front of you?? Obviously you'd leave them alone but what if you were in a match and you were told to quickly finish it? Also Beth was in character and she had to look like " The Glamazon" she says she is! Going out of character would destroy what she has been built up to look like!

But we DO have people in this thread saying "she's the best in the women's division" and whatnot, and trying to use that as an argument when its simply an opinion. Look back to I think the second page of this thread and you'll see someone (I forget who) say something along the lines of "you can't say she's not good because she is", which is basically saying "you can't have an opinion different than mine".

Its not that I don't have any respect for someone that puts their life on the line, its that I have no PITY for someone who knowingly thrusts themselves in a dangerous career. Would I be able to tear a pectoral muscle and get through a match like Cena did with Kennedy? I'll flat out tell you, no, I wouldn't. But should I act like he did something out of character to his job description? You don't expect a scientist to run a marathon just as you don't expect a wrestler to split the atom. Wrestlers have 2 primary functions: entertainment and athleticism. With the entertainment aspect, you expect them to "put on a show" and be able to act within character. With the athleticism aspect, its the same as if you have someone with a football injury. You're happy the person got up and they aren't gravely injured (just out of common courtesy, at the very least), but its foolish to start groveling over them and say they were better than what they were just because they're injured now. Too many fans do that. Right now, everyone hates Snitsky (including myself) but guaranteed if he was found dead tomorrow we'd have a thread where people said "you know, he was a great wrestler", which is just pathetic. If you're a Candice fan, you'll think what you'll think whether or not she got injured, but you shouldn't start liking someone more just because she was involved in a botched move that didn't kill her.

The Beth situation, what I was saying, is how she dragged her - not the fact that she scored the pin. By scoring the pinfall, Beth was doing her job (especially since we could flat out hear the ref saying "this is it, this is it, cover her"), but when Candice has a head injury, pulling on her hair is a bit of a flub. That's like if during that Cena/Kennedy match, Cena quickly mentioned where he was injured and afterwards, Kennedy started working on it. If someone breaks an arm, you don't put them in an arm bar, lol. If she wanted to stay in character, have a safe pin, and come off looking like an even more dominant and forceful wrestler, if I was in her position, I'd have put my foot on Candice's stomach and done that kind of pin (but obviously just barely...no stomping the foot into her gut or anything) cause it comes off "carelessly dominating".

 

[Bernkastel]

The Beth situation, what I was saying, is how she dragged her - not the fact that she scored the pin. By scoring the pinfall, Beth was doing her job (especially since we could flat out hear the ref saying "this is it, this is it, cover her"), but when Candice has a head injury, pulling on her hair is a bit of a flub. That's like if during that Cena/Kennedy match, Cena quickly mentioned where he was injured and afterwards, Kennedy started working on it. If someone breaks an arm, you don't put them in an arm bar, lol. If she wanted to stay in character, have a safe pin, and come off looking like an even more dominant and forceful wrestler, if I was in her position, I'd have put my foot on Candice's stomach and done that kind of pin (but obviously just barely...no stomping the foot into her gut or anything) cause it comes off "carelessly dominating".

I've seen botches worse than Candcie's, and I've seen the opponent opposite of the wrestler getting injured act way more recklessly than Beth. Half you guys are acting like Beth picked up Candice after the fall and gave her a Piledriver to finish the match.

If beth had tried to pin Candice where they were, it would have looked awkward and sloppy, considering they were right next to the ropes. Had Beth had tried to pin Candice there and had Candice had been healthily she could have used the ropes to break the pin. Beth did what she was supposed to do. she waited for the ref to check Candice and give her the ok to continue the match. Beth approached Candice, the referee told Candice to cover her quickly. Beth picks Candice head up using the hair, and quickly drags her the 2 feet away from the ropes and pins her. I don't see that Beth did anything wrong at all in that scenario.

 

[Shocky]

The referee is in control of that situation and he's getting directions from backstage. It is his job to relay information to Beth in that situation. So Beth simply did her job and people are making way too much out of it then they should.

As for Candice, well if you had someone with talent in the ring to begin with, then this situation would never have happened. You have a sloppy "Diva" not a wrestler in the ring. Beth is a wrestler, Candice Michelle is a model, plain and simple. She fell, and smashed herself good because she doesn't belong in a ring.

Spare me this isn't the Candice Michelle of two years ago, if you are saying someone can learn the business, be fully trained, and earn the spot that she was forced into because Trish and Lita left, all in under two years, then that means that Division is more garbage then what I've thought it has become. To say that someone that wasn't a wrestler and making softcore porn for Skinimax 2 years ago, miraculously has learned the business enough to become worthy enough of holding a title, then that's sad. Or, it just shows how bad the WWE women's division is.

 

[Eternal Dragon]

As for Candice, well if you had someone with talent in the ring to begin with, then this situation would never have happened. You have a sloppy "Diva" not a wrestler in the ring. Beth is a wrestler, Candice Michelle is a model, plain and simple. She fell, and smashed herself good because she doesn't belong in a ring.

Spare me this isn't the Candice Michelle of two years ago, if you are saying someone can learn the business, be fully trained, and earn the spot that she was forced into because Trish and Lita left, all in under two years, then that means that Division is more garbage then what I've thought it has become. To say that someone that wasn't a wrestler and making softcore porn for Skinimax 2 years ago, miraculously has learned the business enough to become worthy enough of holding a title, then that's sad. Or, it just shows how bad the WWE women's division is.

Didn't Mickie James fall from the ropes last March in a Falls Count Anywhere match? That must mean she isn't a good wrestler either!! And she did porn that was way worse than anything Candice ever did... so obviously Mickie's the worst wrestler if we're going to judge her by your standards.

Maybe- just maybe, Candice fell because she wasn't balanced properly? That could happen to anyone, experianced or not. I don't see how her being a model has anything to do with the fall or her wrestling abilities.

You mentioned Trish. Candice won the title her third year in the WWE, Trish won it in her second. That doesn't mean the Women's Division was garbage when Trish won it. Same goes for Candice.

If everyone from JR, to Gail Kim, to Molly Holly can admit that Candice is a good wrestler now, why can't the fans?

Flames Out
Dragon

 

[Bernkastel]

Didn't Mickie James fall from the ropes last March in a Falls Count Anywhere match? That must mean she isn't a good wrestler either!! And she did porn that was way worse than anything Candice ever did... so obviously Mickie's the worst wrestler if we're going to judge her by your standards.

That was Melina that botched that. Mickie went for a Frankensteiner, Melina wasn't balanced right. When Mickie fell back, Melina stayed where he was on the top, Mickie had no where to go but down, and subsequently landed on her head. I have no comment on the porn.

 

[Minor League Brian]

If everyone from JR, to Gail Kim, to Molly Holly can admit that Candice is a good wrestler now, why can't the fans?

This one I can answer. Its actually a very simple answer. Because they get/have gotten pay checks to put over Candice Michelle. JR will -always- put over the Face, no matter how bad they preform or how botched a move is. There's also the PR aspect to think about. If they go about bashing Candice for her abilities, how will that look in the fans eyes? I'd rather people hate me for loving someone then hate me for hating someone. You can't go about bashing someone for there abilities, no matter how badly you may think they are, when you're in the limelight. Bad for buisness an' all that.

In my opinion, Candice isn't bad but she aint' too good either. She can improve, and she will improve, but to date I've always fast-forwarded through her matches or changed the channel. They've never intrigued me, while the likes of Melina and the others have always caught my attention.

 

[Eternal Dragon]

That was Melina that botched that. Mickie went for a Frankensteiner, Melina wasn't balanced right. When Mickie fell back, Melina stayed where he was on the top, Mickie had no where to go but down, and subsequently landed on her head. I have no comment on the porn.

I wasn't blaming the fall on Mickie, I was just pointing out that it's kind of absurd to say that if someone falls from the top rope it's because they're not a good wrestler. That certainly isn't the case with Mickie, or with Candice.

This one I can answer. Its actually a very simple answer. Because they get/have gotten pay checks to put over Candice Michelle. JR will -always- put over the Face, no matter how bad they preform or how botched a move is. There's also the PR aspect to think about. If they go about bashing Candice for her abilities, how will that look in the fans eyes? I'd rather people hate me for loving someone then hate me for hating someone. You can't go about bashing someone for there abilities, no matter how badly you may think they are, when you're in the limelight. Bad for buisness an' all that.

I have to disagree. First of all, two out of three names on that list weren't being paid to say that Candice had improved, or was a good wrestler. And considering the fact that both of them are female wrestlers, I bet they have better experiance in judging other wrestlers than us. And JR's always seemed honest about any diva, wrestler, promotion- etc, he has no problem criticizing the WWE if he doesn't agree with something. I've been reading his blog for over a year now and I never got the sense that he was "getting paid" to put over any wrestler.

I'm not trying to convince everyone that Candice is a good wrestler, obviously not everyone will see her like that, but using her injury/fall to justify negative opinions of her isn't right.

Flames Out
Dragon

 

[Bernkastel]

Look at RVD and Jeff Hardy, two of the biggest botchers of moves in wrestling history, yet they are also two of the most beloved wrestlers in history. Does this fall make Candice a bad wrestler? No. Does it make Beth a reckless wrestler? No. I just can't believe that some people here are getting so bent out of shape and throwing blame at both parties like someone killed themselves.

 

[shua08]

Posted by Eternal Dragon:
And she did porn that was way worse than anything Candice ever did... so obviously Mickie's the worst wrestler if we're going to judge her by your standards.

actually they both did porn, candice was actually in a softcore porn where i beleive mickie only did a photo shoot.

Back to point though, I don't think either can be blamed, accidents happen in wrestling, it doesn't mean that either one of them are bad wrestlers.

 

[MonsterMash]

I wouldn't blame Candice or Beth specifically for this. It's physical in the ring and sometimes accidents happen. It's not like Beth pulled a Bob Holly and decided to shoot on Candice. Beth had to pull Candice towards the middle of the ring. Weren't her feet practically dangling under the ropes? What kind of a pin would that be? For all we know, Candice could have told the ref that she could still move and arms/legs and then the call was made.

Apart from a broken collar bone, she got away very lucky. Head/neck bumps or injuries have to be the hands down most serious. Far more serious than a torn pec/ACL/quad because there's a much higher chance that it could lead to paralysis or death.

 

[Minor League Brian]

I have to disagree. First of all, two out of three names on that list weren't being paid to say that Candice had improved, or was a good wrestler. And considering the fact that both of them are female wrestlers, I bet they have better experiance in judging other wrestlers than us. And JR's always seemed honest about any diva, wrestler, promotion- etc, he has no problem criticizing the WWE if he doesn't agree with something. I've been reading his blog for over a year now and I never got the sense that he was "getting paid" to put over any wrestler.

All of that can also be atoned to my second point. Now, I don't know any of the aforementioned persons personally but none have ever stuck me as, well, as Jackasses. They'd never say something like that out loud, it'd make them look like royal douchebags for saying how badly someone is. Now, if they say "Well, they're good but they can get better." When I hear that, I hear the preson really saying "They ain't really good, but they have potential." Now, thats not always, but that's how I see it.

Like I said, I'm not trying to put the blame on anyone or anything; just adding to the fact that Candice is inexperienced and she isn't -that- good. Then again, this was far from a being good or bad botch. This is more of a "Damn, accident dawg, accident." kind of incident. It could have happened to anyone.

 

[PhoenixBuster]

My belief is that the split brands has an extreme weakening in all of the aspects of the lower title divisions. With half of the women on Smackdown where there is no women's title, that leaves you with the 4-5 women that ARE on Raw to keep it going. I feel as thought they do need to further train their female superstars. They all have amazingly rough spots in the matches that could easily be ironed out with a bit more in ring training. I hate to say this, but they need to be less of eye candy and more of wrestlers or they need to not be in there. We seriously don't need anymore injuries happening. The WWE is becoming more and more crippled by all of the spontaneous injuries. They have so many underutilized talent and they just recycle the same feuds over and over again. That is all I am saying. Just develop the lesser used characters and give them a push.

 

[Eternal Dragon]

actually they both did porn, candice was actually in a softcore porn where i beleive mickie only did a photo shoot.

I know both of them did that, I was saying that just because a diva's done porn doesn't make them a bad wrestler.

Like I said, I'm not trying to put the blame on anyone or anything; just adding to the fact that Candice is inexperienced and she isn't -that- good. Then again, this was far from a being good or bad botch. This is more of a "Damn, accident dawg, accident." kind of incident. It could have happened to anyone.

That's what I was trying to point out-that Candice's inexperiance didn't have anything to do with her fall. Technically neither Beth or Candice botched a move, the fall just came out of no where. I agree that it could've happened to anyone. In the past a lot of divas have had nasty-looking falls- Mickie, Lita, Trish, etc.

Flames Out
Dragon

 

[Bernkastel]

I know both of them did that, I was saying that just because a diva's done porn doesn't make them a bad wrestler.

I agree, April Hunter, whose arguably the first and only former model and playboy model to actually reach the status of real wrestler (I don't include Trish, because despite everything she accomplished, she was only an average wrestler at best.) Using the April Hunter model, I know that other women that have extremely limited experience can exceed in this business if they work hard enough. April had her fair share of bumps and bruises, botched moves, and mis matches, but that doesn't make her any less of a talented wrestler. When April went to Europe to do battle with the likes of Blue Nikita, Eden Black, and the triple tough Wesna, the fans there weren't thinking about April the playboy model, they were thinking about April the established and accomplished wrestler.

 

[.MCH]

The referee is in control of that situation and he's getting directions from backstage. It is his job to relay information to Beth in that situation. So Beth simply did her job and people are making way too much out of it then they should.

As for Candice, well if you had someone with talent in the ring to begin with, then this situation would never have happened. You have a sloppy "Diva" not a wrestler in the ring. Beth is a wrestler, Candice Michelle is a model, plain and simple. She fell, and smashed herself good because she doesn't belong in a ring.

Spare me this isn't the Candice Michelle of two years ago, if you are saying someone can learn the business, be fully trained, and earn the spot that she was forced into because Trish and Lita left, all in under two years, then that means that Division is more garbage then what I've thought it has become. To say that someone that wasn't a wrestler and making softcore porn for Skinimax 2 years ago, miraculously has learned the business enough to become worthy enough of holding a title, then that's sad. Or, it just shows how bad the WWE women's division is.

This has gots to be the biggest load of shit I have ever heard! You're gonna tell me that if she was experienced and knew the bussiness from the back of her head then this wouldn't have happened? Get real! She fell and you need to accept it without stating experience played a role in it!

Candice did porn, big fucking deal! Victoria has stated she wouldn't mind being in Playboy, gonna call her talentless too! Hell the Amazing Kongs, nipple's popped out BFG, you gonna tell me she can't wrestle becuase that happened? (I know she didn't do it intentionally but when doing porn, it's simply showing your nips and other areas and Kongs nips did pop out!) Like someone else said, Mickie did porn. Her porn wasn't anything cleaner or better but that doesn't berate her!

Seriously dude, quit it with the bullshit accusations of women's wrestlers and wrestling. Watch some matches for once and quit bitching about it or saying it isn't worth your time. These women sometimes pull off better matches then the male superstars! Unforgiven comes to mind. Backlash! cSo many others. Had their match continued the right way, Candice vs. Beth would've been the best match on RAW! So don't tell me she needs to stay out of the ring because this happened and because she did porn!

I could see where someone could say she was bad back in May/June/ and even July, like Echelon did, I would know because me and him always argued overit, but to say it now is just simply dunderheaded!

If this is the real Paul Bearer These women are much better then those from your time frame in the late 90's/ Attitude Era (but not from the early to mid 90's), so why would you complain now?

 

[Lil Wes]

This has gots to be the biggest load of shit I have ever heard!

Paul's right though..

Get real! She fell and you need to accept it without stating experience played a role in it!

She fell because she's sloppy in the ring, Plain and simple. It's a surprise to me that she hasn't been hurt before. She's god-awful at times.

Candice did porn, big fucking deal!

If only I could find the damn tape

Watch some matches for once and quit bitching about it or saying it isn't worth your time.

They are a waste of time, It's screaming, moaning and pulling hair for a total of 5 minutes. A diva's match on RAW is basically a porno thrown into a wrestling ring, The only difference are that the Porno's are exciting, have good action and last longer.

Candice along with a few other diva's are shit. Why anyone actually sits there and watches the same 6 woman tag match over and over is beyond me.

These women sometimes pull off better matches then the male superstars!

When? Trish/Mickie or Trish/Lita? That's all I can remember even being worthy of some of the male performers. Also alot of the males in WWE these days suck as well.

Unforgiven comes to mind.

Burke/Punk...MOTN.

cSo many others.

Please share them.

Had their match continued the right way, Candice vs. Beth would've been the best match on RAW!

The Tag matches were better, and the main event was sloppy and still would have been more worth the watch than Candice/Beth.

So don't tell me she needs to stay out of the ring because this happened

She shouldn't be out of a ring for just this, She should have been out of a ring once she started Single's wrestling, She's improving so she can stay, but when someone like Candice/Slop is on top of the Women's Division at this stage in her career.

That's sad.

I could see where someone could say she was bad back in May/June/ and even July,

She's still nothing to brag about, Melina has been burried by a rapist while she is 2x more talented than Candice. She's improved but there are plenty of other worthy diva's that could be in her spot.

but to say it now is just simply dunderheaded!

She's still extremely sloppy, she has a decent match at 1 PPV or RAW and then all of the sudden the next week she's back in her beginner days.

It's like John Cena all over again, Only in the Women's Division.

so why would you complain now?

If WWE used them right, Nobody would complain. They just use them wrong leading to boring matches every week and PPV.

 

[Eternal Dragon]

She fell because she's sloppy in the ring, Plain and simple. It's a surprise to me that she hasn't been hurt before. She's god-awful at times.

It's your opinion on whether on not you think Candice is sloppy in the ring, but using that to blame the fall on Candice just isn't right. Trish had a bad fall at Judgement Day 2003, Lita had a bad fall in 2004, Mickie just this past Feburary- does that make them all sloppy wrestlers? Of course not!

They are a waste of time, It's screaming, moaning and pulling hair for a total of 5 minutes. A diva's match on RAW is basically a porno thrown into a wrestling ring, The only difference are that the Porno's are exciting, have good action and last longer.

Candice along with a few other diva's are shit. Why anyone actually sits there and watches the same 6 woman tag match over and over is beyond me.

Are there bad divas matches on Raw? Yes. Are there good ones? Yes. Of course, people tend to ignore good ones. I'm not going to blame the divas for being stuck in the same tag team matches- that's not their choice or their fault.

When? Trish/Mickie or Trish/Lita? That's all I can remember even being worthy of some of the male performers. Also alot of the males in WWE these days suck as well.

Trish and Mickie did have one of the best feuds of 2005/2006. Trish and Lita of course had their classic on and off battles from 2000 to 2006. There are others- like Jacqueline/Lita, Trish/Victoria, Molly/Trish, Molly/Victoria, etc.

Please share them.

Just from this past year, or just general women's wrestling matches in the WWE? Because the list could be dangerously long.

The Tag matches were better, and the main event was sloppy and still would have been more worth the watch than Candice/Beth.

Wow how biased is that statement!! Obviosly you dislike Candice so I bet that no matter what Candice has done or will do you'll always say she's a bad wrestler.

Beth and Candice had a great match at Unforgiven, a slightly-less good match at NM, and the Raw match was going great until Candice fell.

She shouldn't be out of a ring for just this, She should have been out of a ring once she started Single's wrestling, She's improving so she can stay, but when someone like Candice/Slop is on top of the Women's Division at this stage in her career.

That's sad.

Trish was at the top of the Women's Divsion back when she was at the same stage that Candice is at right now, and she went on to become great. Mind what you say about Candice, because I'm betting the same exact thing will happen with her.

She's still nothing to brag about, Melina has been burried by a rapist while she is 2x more talented than Candice. She's improved but there are plenty of other worthy diva's that could be in her spot.

Melina got a really good 5 month title reign (technically two), and she's usually on Raw in a match or on Heat. As much as I love the girl, she can't stay on top forever. That's one of the flaws of the Women's Division, once they stop being in the Women's Title scene they can't go anywhere. I would've liked to see Jillian pushed before Candice, but it just didn't end up like that.

She's still extremely sloppy, she has a decent match at 1 PPV or RAW and then all of the sudden the next week she's back in her beginner days.

It's like John Cena all over again, Only in the Women's Division.

Extremely sloppy is harsh, that's more like Maria. Candice is decent in the ring, and only has more room to improve.

Candice and John Cena comparison- well, you are a fellow Chain Gang Member, so I guess that means they're both awsome? Hmm?

If WWE used them right, Nobody would complain. They just use them wrong leading to boring matches every week and PPV.

I'll admit it that the WWE does misuse the divas a lot, but this past week they did put Candice and Beth in a 2 out of 3 falls match and people complained before the match even started.

Flames Out
Dragon

 

[Lil Wes]

but using that to blame the fall on Candice just isn't right.

It's not just on this fall, It's just in every match she's in. She's too botchy.

Trish had a bad fall at Judgement Day 2003, Lita had a bad fall in 2004, Mickie just this past Feburary- does that make them all sloppy wrestlers? Of course not!

No, Trish and Lita had talent. Candice does not. She doesn't even have that much potential, It's going to take quite a bit of work.

Are there bad divas matches on Raw? Yes.

Every week usually.

Are there good ones? Yes.

When? Please name.

Just from this past year, or just general women's wrestling matches in the WWE? Because the list could be dangerously long.

WWE matches since Wrestlemania, There are none that were MOTN at any PPV or weekly show.

Wow how biased is that statement!!

It's not being biased, It's the truth. The main event was better than the Diva's match. Plain and simple.

Obviosly you dislike Candice so I bet that no matter what Candice has done or will do you'll always say she's a bad wrestler.

She did very well at the GAB vs Melina, Other than that I can't really say she's impressed me more than then. She's improving I just fucking said that in the last post, So therefore, I'll not always say she's a bad wrestler. She just doesn't deserve the spot she's in right now.

Beth and Candice had a great match at Unforgiven, a slightly-less good match at NM, and the Raw match was going great until Candice fell.

None were MOTN or even canidates for MOTN.

Extremely sloppy is harsh, that's more like Maria. Candice is decent in the ring, and only has more room to improve.

She's quite sloppy at times. She's decent at times. That's just typical Candice.

Candice and John Cena comparison- well, you are a fellow Chain Gang Member, so I guess that means they're both awsome? Hmm?

John > Candice.

I'll admit it that the WWE does misuse the divas a lot, but this past week they did put Candice and Beth in a 2 out of 3 falls match and people complained before the match even started.

There really wasn't any need for the 2 out of 3 falls match, People complained because the Women are a bore, Therefore adding an extra fall would only make the bordomness worse.

 

[Uncle Phatso]

at least i dont have to lisiten to that shitty techno entrance for like a month now shes got a lil bit of tallent but lod get some better intrance music

 

[.MCH]

It's not just on this fall, It's just in every match she's in. She's too botchy.




No, Trish and Lita had talent. Candice does not. She doesn't even have that much potential, It's going to take quite a bit of work.





Every week usually.



When? Please name.




WWE matches since Wrestlemania, There are none that were MOTN at any PPV or weekly show.



It's not being biased, It's the truth. The main event was better than the Diva's match. Plain and simple.




She did very well at the GAB vs Melina, Other than that I can't really say she's impressed me more than then. She's improving I just fucking said that in the last post, So therefore, I'll not always say she's a bad wrestler. She just doesn't deserve the spot she's in right now.



None were MOTN or even canidates for MOTN.




She's quite sloppy at times. She's decent at times. That's just typical Candice.



John > Candice.




There really wasn't any need for the 2 out of 3 falls match, People complained because the Women are a bore, Therefore adding an extra fall would only make the bordomness worse.

Well you like Santino, right? I do too but "my" Candice has more talent then your Santino!

Plus you're not even worth my time due to the fact you could care less for the women's division! This topic is something you should just stay away from, especially if you don't care for it's competitors!

EDIT: Also about Trish and Lita. How long do you think it took for Trish to gain talent. She was no better back in 2002-2003 then Candice is now! Plus Lita towards the end of career became sloppy and a slower worker, but that was becuase of the WWE not using her. (She's still one of my favs though! ) <-- I know Eternal Dragon won't like that!

But seriously these women have put on better performances alot of times! Maybe not from this era but moreso other eras of women's wrestling! Plus TNA's women's division draws more ratings then its males so don't say these women are no good or don't draw audiences!

 

[.MCH]

at least i dont have to lisiten to that shitty techno entrance for like a month now shes got a lil bit of tallent but lod get some better intrance music

Little bit??? I'll admit she is still limited in the ring but it's not to the point of having a "lil bit" of talent!

But yeah, her music is pretty annoying and pretty bad! But it's growing on me like Beth's. But Beth's is pretty cool now, it shows goddess like stature.

 

[Bernkastel]

^ Watch yourself, Rawfannation, Wes has a point on Candice. While she's been improving continuously for the past few years, she just doesn't have the training to be a huge major super, and it shows. the whole reason I hate Candice is that WWE is pushing he on top of the division when she obviously isn't ready. WWE did the same thing with Trish, and even though I turned out liking the girl, their are still some things I loathe about Trish Stratus and when she left, that part of me was glad to see her go. I don't want to wait another 2 to 4 years for Candice to be ready for the Main event scene, and for WWE to have wasted the credibility of all the other women they fought hard to bring to the division like Jillian, Mickie, Beth, or even Melina. The best thing for Candice to do is to disappear into the mid card when she returns, then work her way back up so that the next title run that she has will not only have some meaning to it, but it will make her a true main eventer and not some girl that WWE just threw the title onto.

 

[.MCH]

^ Watch yourself, Rawfannation, Wes has a point on Candice. While she's been improving continuously for the past few years, she just doesn't have the training to be a huge major super, and it shows. the whole reason I hate Candice is that WWE is pushing he on top of the division when she obviously isn't ready. WWE did the same thing with Trish, and even though I turned out liking the girl, their are still some things I loathe about Trish Stratus and when she left, that part of me was glad to see her go. I don't want to wait another 2 to 4 years for Candice to be ready for the Main event scene, and for WWE to have wasted the credibility of all the other women they fought hard to bring to the division like Jillian, Mickie, Beth, or even Melina. The best thing for Candice to do is to disappear into the mid card when she returns, then work her way back up so that the next title run that she has will not only have some meaning to it, but it will make her a true main eventer and not some girl that WWE just threw the title onto.

I agree, she was thrown into the picture very fast, too fast! She wasn't 100% ready to win the title or wasn't over enough. The fans were still iffy about the women's division and when she won it, it didn't help. She wasn't an accomplished wrestler to the likes of Jillian, Victoria, Mickie, or Melina and still isn't. But dropping her out of the title picture does what? It gives women like Jillian an oppurtunity at the title and possibly not win it? We know Mickie will probably get a push right now but when Candice comes back and if she continues her feud with Beth and gains the belt back, there is meaning. Beth put her out. (Not in real life but if storyline life) Candice has "beef" with her and if she was to win the title back from Beth, she could be the one who stops the Glamazon. No she's not the best choice for it, as half the time her beating Beth isn't believable. But she has something to seek Vengeance upon for it.

 

[Bernkastel]

I agree, she was thrown into the picture very fast, too fast! She wasn't 100% ready to win the title or wasn't over enough. The fans were still iffy about the women's division and when she won it, it didn't help. She wasn't an accomplished wrestler to the likes of Jillian, Victoria, Mickie, or Melina and still isn't. But dropping her out of the title picture does what? It gives women like Jillian an oppurtunity at the title and possibly not win it? We know Mickie will probably get a push right now but when Candice comes back and if she continues her feud with Beth and gains the belt back, there is meaning. Beth put her out. (Not in real life but if storyline life) Candice has "beef" with her and if she was to win the title back from Beth, she could be the one who stops the Glamazon. No she's not the best choice for it, as half the time her beating Beth isn't believable. But she has something to seek Vengeance upon for it.

Candice being out of the main picture and placed into the mid card will give us better matches, as Beth/ Mickie/ Jillian are all better performers than Candice. I figure thats what fans want, are high quality wrestling matches that don't contain alot of botches and aren't sloppy. WWE can create feuds for the women, it won't hard considering a good majority of the feuds in the womens division are superficial anyway.