Back For The First Time

[CleverName51]

^ Damn that's a long post.

I try to avoid this Mod vs Idiot wars...I really do. I prefer to just post on the topics I think are interesting and go back to my real life...but I gotta say something here...



Sly, you're kinda awesome. Thanks.

 

[CleverName51]

Now for my advice to Mr. Bomb.


Look, I don't get all the rules either. There's a reason I have ~115 posts (I think it should be more, I'm usually fairly active in the LD's when my work schedule allows me to be and I love the "Ask KB thread") but here's the thing, I self-censor, not out of fear, but out of respect.

If I'm not sure if a post qualifies as spam or not, I don't post it. Or, as I've done several times, I go to a spam friendly section and put my rants there which covers my ass from any discipline. I'm not afraid of the mods, I don't even know who they are. Hell, I doubt any of them, except KB, know me, and the only reason KB knows me is because I ask him about random wrestling stuff in his ask-me thread.

The thing is, I don't look to "make friends" here, but I sure as hell don't start conflict either. When I respond to a thread, I answer the OP's original questions, and move on. That's it. I'm pretty sure that if I do that, I won't break any rules.

As Sly pointed out, he got a speeding ticket for realizing the speed limit, and because he didn't realize it, he was still guilty.

I'm in the same boat (or I guess "car" since we are driving), the difference is, I intentionally drive super slow to avoid the speeding ticket.

You know why I do this? Because I can think. Playing it safe is usually smarter, and that mentality has kept me out of trouble, and given me moderate success in life. Sure, maybe I could have taken some risks and done more, but I'm happy with where I am.

And, finally, you talk about "fighting the power," you realize for every successful rebellion in history, there are 100s of failed rebellions where the rebels all get executed and all, it's not pretty. Take 1 guess as to where you fall.


Finally, back to the rules being vague, for the most part, as I said, they are. For instance, the formula of a proper non-spam most is pretty simple.

State your opinion+state why.

It's the "amount of why" that bothers me. For instance in the ever constant turn John Cena heel discussion is

"Cena should stay face, right now he makes too much money in merch sales to turn heel"

is that spam or not? it states an opinion, and why, but doesn't say much

or

"Cena should stay face, complex economic argument with sales figures, profit margins, all the $$$ comparing him to former eras, in a 1500 word essay"

Obviously that wouldn't be spam, but the point still stands, the burden of spam can be vague at points, and I get that.


There's also one rule I flat out disagree with (thanks to an art history class I took in college) which is the porn rule.

I assume the porn rule means no posting nudity, but hypothetically, if I were to post a link to a painting of a nude woman and try to start to an art discussion in the Potluck forum, I'm pretty sure Sly or someone would ban me. (By legal definition, it's not porn, it's art, but it's a hugely slippery slope in that anyone could post something far more explicit, call it art and well, the rules break down quick)


Anyway, Mr Bomb, I know there's a quote in the rulebook, and I've used it, "It's better to ask permission than seek forgiveness"

And, that right there, is something you should do. I can't remember which mod it was, and I don't feel like looking at the moment to check my PMs, but about 5-6 months ago, I wanted to start a topic and I saw a similar one on the forum...so I PM'd a mod and asked if mine was different enough, the mod said yes, I could start a new thread with it...do you know what happened?

Some people visited my thread, answered my questions, and I was NOT given any discipline. Shocking that the mods did their job. It's funny how helpful they are when you ask a question before doing something.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

Yes you can, but as punishment, you may have to read another one of his essays.

 

[Thriller Ant]

^ Damn that's a long post.

I can't believe I read the whole thing

 

[BK Styles]

Ba-Bomb, you go on about how you've been unfairly treated, and how the rules are subject to opinions, and how the mods abuse their power and ban people they dislike, but the truth is you really can't take criticism, or accept that you're wrong. Since I've signed up, I've had three infractions, one for a duplicate thread and two for spamming. At the time of my first spam infraction, I didn't think it was fair at all. I was pissed. Then I suddenly had an epiphony.

The mods know what they're doing.

So I decided to just try my best at being a better poster, and understanding the spamming rule better. (my last spam infraction was last year from Big Nick Dudley, and it was in a thread that I'd forgotten wasn't in a spam section, so it was completely my own fault. I have no grievance with him whatsoever about it, because it was a stupid mistake on my part)

Their job is to enfore the rulebook, and they do so. Just because you disagree with them doesn't mean you're right, and you either need to accept that and brush up on your non-spam, stick to the spam sections, or join another forum. You aren't going to change anything rule-wise around here because what you want to change doesn't NEED it. To me, the spam ruling here is simple, and efficient, and it makes a whole lotta sense. I'm sure a whole lot of people round here would agree, too.

Oh, and the fact that you didn't mean to break the rules is idiotic for two reasons. First, it completely contradicts what you said in the early stages of the election; 'I know the rule book inside and out'. If you did, then no infraction. How can you not mean to break rules you know 'inside and out'? And second, The rulebook isn't there for people who break the rules on purpose. They're there for EVERYONE, purpose or accidental, who break the rules. You deserved everything you got as far as infractions go.

Someone said it before, but it's worth repeating. You actually could be a good poster, if you weren't such a whiny bitch who can't follow rules or accept he's wrong. Other than that, top quality.

 

[Coco]

Thank you for making my point for me and walking right into that. Most of these ARE mods.



Translation: You are insignificant to the all powerful, and your message must be stifled so I am going to ignore it and act as if you said nothing of relevance.



Couldn't make that clearer. Nice example of another mod that as he stated "Doesn't give a fuck" and of course wants to pipe you down because what you've said doesn't sit well with them.



Ahhhh yes, mockery. Perfect example. How was I wrong again?



More mockery, Good. You're all fulfilling your stereotypes perfectly.



This matter was only a small opening portion of my post and had little to do with what I was talking about overall. Folks can try to turn everything on me with that and ignore the points I made at hand but that doesn't change the truth of what I said. So what I accidently spammed, once again, I thought it would be okay to post some videos and add a funny little tag line or something since it was a thread where people primarily post videos and not much discussion actually goes on. Of course, I deserve to be banned for that though according to some.



Something that shouldn't take a revolution, a change of conduct from the people who should be setting the highest example which would be the mods for starters. It also shouldn't take some kind of revolution to get people to treat others with a little more kindness and respect. I appreciate your advice but this reaches into every area of the forum it seems. No matter where you go, what you post, someone wants to come out and show that they've got the big swinging dick in the room and shoot you down, talk shit about or to you, make fun of you somehow, etc...It's worse than school children.



another example, laugh at me, act like I'm just so out of whack, etc...Same old song and dance from yet another mod.



Need I say more?




That's right, because the people are so insignificant. Yet you folks go out of your way to make personal attacks at them.



That's right, don't have an opinion contrary to what is popular with people, thank you for summing it up there so nicely and giving a shining example of one of the very problems I was talking about.



Yes, more mockery for having an opinion and daring to state it.



Oh I am sure you greatly enjoy what you perceive as "Destroying" someone, that's all apart of the complex a lot of you people have. You want to break people down and treat them like shit, show them how much better you are than them and deduce all their thoughts and feelings to shit. What a great person it must take to relish such hurtful intentions.

BTW, I've been gone for a week so I haven't had the luxury but I'll get to it on my own good time. I don't get how you think you were at any point "Destroying" me on anything either but to each their own. If it makes you feel like a big man, destroy away....



Well I imagine you're too busy to really notice but, yes, I was gone.



Here's some food for thought though. I have never intentionally broke any rules or done anything that I thought would fall into breaking any of the rules. It's not like I've done those things to be a dick or something, they were simple little mistakes and I get a lot of unnecessary shit for it like I just do it intentionally. You think I want to be infracted and I want to be banned? So why would I do that? Only on accident, but it's treated like you've somehow wronged somebody and are thus deserving of some kind of punishment. I think there is probably a better way to handle it that putting peoples membership at jeopardy or taking action against them for making simple little mistakes.

I think there needs to be a little more discretion when it comes to people deciding what is and is not a violation of a rule instead of pure black/white. I posted 3 videos and added a funny tag line and nothing more because I already posted 3 videos in a thread entitled "What are you listening to right now" I wasn't aware that required me to go into detail about what I was listening to since I DID post the damn videos, or why I was listening to music in the first place, that seemed kind of self explanatory like "Because I like Music"



And your interpretations are left up to individuals-individual perceptions and discretion that can and do vary. How many posts are out there that clearly are spam or breaking a rule that go completely unchecked and how many are there out there that could easily slide but people end up getting infracted for? It's a highly imperfect system, and could use drastic improvements yet you seem to not care one bit about making any kind of progress or improvements around here which is pretty sad considering your standing. BTW I've read the rule book numerous times which is why I DO take issue with some of this stuff. I actually DO know the rules rather well and know when someone is nit-picking, being overtly biased, or working on loose technicalities to justify a rash decision.



I posted a few videos in a thread that was primarily videos, and that was spam? Again listen to what you're saying, the threads main purpose is for people to post videos of what they are listening to(as the peoples participation shows) and you are saying that you can't just post videos as the thread intends, you need to go into a thesis on why you are listening to what you are listening too or else you are spamming? Ya know, I don't know any other place on the internet that would call that spamming in a thread of that nature.

That's probably why I've had a hard time with that stuff, because nowhere else I have ever been or still go to has an approach like that, yet none of them have a problem with spamming either. Maybe if you guys were a little less about "Dropping the hammer" on people and were a little more lax about that kind of thing you'd notice things run a little smoother as well.




Oh no, you make it clear that no one is worth anything to you. Don't think anyone is confusing that. You make it clear all the time that no one has any real worth around here accept you all knowing mods who sit on your perches and cast stones at everyone else. Anyone who says something you don't want to hear seems to get that point made loud and clear to them.



Ah yes, laugh it up, talk down to me some more, show everyone what a mature and fair mod you are. Don't fulfill the very charges I just laid out, aren't you smarter than that, than to validate everything I was saying? Apparently not.

I didn't say I wanted you to play judge and jury on which post are nice and aren't either. Did anything I said in what you quoted even hint at that? No. You are putting words in my mouth and making your own false assumptions, then branding me a hypocrite as a result, once again showing a shining example of the very things I was condemning.



And what qualifies as saying something stupid and deserving of being mocked huh? Is that another one of your discretionary policies? What it comes down to is that anything someone says that you don't like, you go out of your way to CALL stupid, to call the person stupid, and to tear down whatever they had to say simply because you don't like it. I wasn't aware we were still in middle school or lower here and that people had to act as such.

It's a fucking shame that YOU of all people, the damn "headmaster" condone this shit and are even promoting it right here with your own words. Shouldn't you be the one sitting here saying that people need to treat others with more respect and refrain from that kind of conduct that reflects poorly on you, the site, and the individual? Do you even care how it reflects on you, the site, or other individuals? Do you give a fuck about anything that goes on here at all other than who you can lambaste and treat like shit? You're supposed to be the head honcho for fuck sake, yet you seem to have this apathetic "who gives a shit" attitude about everything, unless it comes down to wanting to belittle someone for saying something on a topic you disagree with. WTF MAN??? How is it possible that I give a damn about the site, the people who come here, and the overall experience of those people FAR MORE than you seem to even bat an eye at?



Oh bullshit. I see plenty of intelligent people kicked around because they say things that you and others disagree with. It has nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with satisfying your egos and falling in line with a status quo that you so much as state as being "Don't say anything we don't agree with or we will make you pay for it". Don't even try to justify it or claim otherwise because you prove it here, and you prove it everywhere else with the way you conduct yourself. You are a good writer when you decide to nut up and actually give an effort and contribute to a topic, but most of the time all you do is defecate on anything people have to say that doesn't fall in line with what you think is right.

I think it's a waste of your talent, a waste of your leadership capabilities, and a waste of the peoples time who have to deal with you behaving that way. Well here's another wake up call, that does nothing but make you look like an asshole and piece of shit (And I'm not saying you are, just that it makes you look like that) like a petulant child who can't handle hearing other peoples opinions or views that differ from your own and insists on bullying other people from a position that makes you untouchable. It's like the big kid in the sandbox destroying everyone elses sand castles because he can beat them up and they can't do anything back, it's fucking pathetic and I would have thought you were better than that. Yet another thing I have been wrong about.



That's not what I was saying at all for God sake and you know it. Don't play this word twisting bullshit with me slick, you won't win that battle. You know damn well what I means and what I was saying, but rather than try to have a mature and adult conversation you want to deduce it down to twisting words and calling people hypocrites, what a fucking scholar. What is with this mental block or whatever it is that disables you and so many others from being able to disagree without trying to humiliate people, make fun of them, or as you like to put it "Point out and mock the stupidity of people's comments"? Don't you have any human fucking decency?

Is it THAT HARD to state a case without being a dick to people and belittling them and challenging their intelligence? And why are you and so many others so fervently attempting to prove your worth and the worth of your ideas over others all the time? Are you so insecure that you need to do this to people on the internet of all places? And another question, you think this shit would fly in real life with anyone? So why pull it on here? Because you are safely on the other side of a monitor where no one can do anything to you, and you have a power over them to punish them for disagreeing? What-a-man!



That was a slight exaggeration but you get the point. However, how would you know sir? You aren't the one on the receiving end of it. Look around man, whenever someone who is not in a high standing on the site stand up for themselves, people act appalled like they have committed some audacious act and bludgeon then with words for having the courage to stand up for themselves or what they believe in. If you don't see it you are either turning a blind eye, or are simply blind to the situation.



But you are not most other people Sly. Maybe that doesn't apply as much to you but lets be honest, you don't exactly take kindly to people when they respond to you. Lets look at your recipe shall we: Person puts up post, you go through and try to tear it to shreds, they respond in defense, you dismiss everything they say, make fun of them, and just discredit their points without making any other points to explain why theirs were so invalid. That's you about 90% of the time. Not wanting anything to do with other people standing up to your attacks, and what else do you do? Instead of having this "Intelligent Debate" you were talking about you dismiss them and their arguments as stupid because you don't agree and then use that as justification to mock them as you even said earlier in this very post.



At least you are finally being honest and admitting that you can't handle other peoples views here and refuse to have intelligent conversation about it. You still think it justification to treat people like dirt though? Maybe you shouldn't answer that.



Again you show my words to ring true. Thank you.



I'd say it's quite the opposite. Anyone who is intelligent enough to see the bullshit that goes on here and call you out, you try to label as being someone who is stupid and should be dismissed because in truth you can't stand up to it because it IS the truth. You simply don't want to deal with it or do anything to make any changes so you belittle the people with something to say who can intelligently say it, and hope that other fall in line with you, which of course they are going to-to avoid receiving the same treatment and you fucking know it. It's people who pander and kiss ass for the most part that do well around here. I'll admit, there are some DAMN GOOD posters in the higher ranks to deserve to be there, I've never questioned that nor will I. The issue here though is that not only is what I am talking about a major issue, but you being the main guy here(or at least one of them) not only propagate that issue, but refuse to even admit it actually exists or do anything about it. Are you just lazy, burnt out, or do you really just not give a fuck? Take your pick.



Jesus Christ, where's the facepalm smiley when you need one? Sly I swear to God, if your intentions are truly noble and you seek to help people improve than why don't you take a different approach that doesn't involve trying to break people down and hurt their feelings? What you and these other people do is almost by definition Cyber Bullying and it needs to stop man. I know I come off as a major dick because I am the one bringing it to you, but don't you see what I am talking about? Don't you understand my plight, and see what is wrong with what I am talking about, and why this needs to stop?

Do you also not see that while I may come off as a dick, my interests are only to help improve things here for everyone? Think about it, if people are happier because they feel safer to speak their minds, the mods ease up a bit on busting peoples asses, and you just treat people a little more kindly, how much less headaches are you going to have? Quite a few, and I bet you anything people post better, people respond better to the mods when they do infract people especially if they do it in a more friendly manner, and I would bet you anything that more people post as well, producing better conversation. I see it work a million other places, there's no reason it can't or won't work here. Bottom line, I'm not trying to be your enemy I ultimately am trying to be your friend. However, sometimes it takes a friend to stop you for a second, bitch slap you real quick, and say "Hey, get with the program, look at what's in front of you and do something about it".



Nice way to dodge the issue there Mitt Romney(Ouch that's got to burn). Again you know exactly what I am saying and exactly what I mean, but you choose to stick your head in the sand(better than other places I suppose)



Then why do they get away with flaming people all the time, or at least speaking to people in a manner that would get other people an infraction for flaming? Double standards and hypocrisy in the upper echelon? Naaaaawwww, not possible right?



I already do post elsewhere and their nowhere near as anal about it. This goes into that whole topic of discretion again. By the nature of the thread, it was mostly people just posting videos, some folks talked a little bit about them, but there was no real discussion, just a simple "What are you listening to" so, by nature of the thread there shouldn't even be any infractions from it as a result, ergo DISCRETION. Or how hard is it to look and figure out "Oh, this person must have figured that was okay. Maybe I should PM them to let them know that technically counts as spam so they can correct it" Rather than just going BANG! FUCK YOU, INFRACTION!!! Give people a chance to correct it first and THEN if they decide not to you give them the infraction? Does anyone else not see the genius in this? Fewer infraction, fewer pissed off people, fewer banning and prison sentences, and in the process people don't look at you like a bunch of douche-bags on a power trip.



Once again, it's always "drivel" or something of the like when it's not what you want to hear. As for what I posted and how it turned out with the people who aren't mods, it turned out the same because as I've mentioned over and over now it's not JUST the mods, but the problem with the mods is what makes it all the worse. Roll your eyes to that.



Oh but you are just waiting like a hawk on it's prey to do it aren't you? You should never do yourself the disservice of admitting that you want to act against people out of personal bias, it makes the crazies like me proven to be right. All you are saying is that you haven't done it because you haven't found a loophole yet, give it time.



That's right Shamar, don't disagree with the populous, that might get other people to come out and say the same and if that happens, OH FUCK!!! They can't let someone like me be right, even though they've proven me right all along, you can't have a public consensus. You have to scare them into silence so no change can be forced by the people.



I wasn't complaining about it, I was just noting how I was not shocked by it and knew it was coming in one form or another no matter what because I'm not very well liked at the moment and I'm not one of the protected members in the high ranks or establishment. It's kind of like how the nation of Islam took out Malcom X when he came out and started preaching something outside of their brand of Islam against their wishes. You speak up against the powers that be, they do all they can to destroy you and your message, most of the time by trying to destroy your credibility and the heart of your message.



I am a worthwhile poster, and I will continue to prove as much going forward.



Oh you couldn't get that lucky, haven't you learned yet that I am absolutely relentless?



Oh no one is shocked at all, we know that no one gives a fuck about the next man around here. That's been made perfectly clear, and that's why I stand out, because I do care about the next guy and the next guy and next guy and so on.



I don't think anyone is "Out to get Me" I know that's not entirely the case, but I also know all too well how things operate around here. I do want to change some things because I want to work towards the betterment of the forum itself and to help create a better environment for the people who come here. Apparently though that makes me "the bad guy" because I am willing to call out the bullshit for what it is and say "This Needs To Change" while no one else is. And you want to know how I've "Misinterpreted my infractions" it's because I've been under a lot of attack and taken on a lot of fire from people who have had no problem openly letting me know how much they don't like me. For fuck sake there was a thread with a poll to send me to prison, why? Simply because people don't like me for whatever their reason, which points to a direct bias against me. As far as acquiring the infractions, I guess I am just used to places that are much more laid back and nowhere near as strict. You see in other places they actually want to keep members, they actually want to avoid giving out infractions as much as possible, and they try to treat people as kindly as possible. They let the small stuff slide because it is just that "small stuff" not worth punishing anyone over.

It seems here though we've got a bunch of people with complexes who desperately need to show that they have some kind of power over something in life, and also need to take out their real life frustration on people on the internet. I see this all the time all over the internet. These people are weak and powerless in their everyday lives, they are insecure and too cowardly or afraid to face their real life issues or the people they dislike. So, what they do is come on the internet to be "Internet tough guys" and treat people on here the way they only WISH they could treat people in real life, to live out some fantasy where they actually control something in this world and have REAL power over people, and can face the people they would otherwise lower their head to and walk on by. You see, the power these folks have is not real. it's something afforded through computer programs and imaginary rankings. In real life none of these people could do a fucking thing to you or me or anyone else, and would probably cower if the situation called for them to try to. How do I know? Because they are gutless enough to pull the shit they do here on the internet. No one was was secure in themselves in the real world would treat people the way they do on the internet.

I agree 100%
Not really, but we can say that. It's really more of a "I don't really care who posts here and who doesn't" kind of thing.

That's all fine and good, but it's irrelevant to the fact you HAVE broken the rules. I once got pulled over for driving 35 MPH on a street that ran parallel to Main St. And when I say parallel, I mean there was probably 10 yards which separate the two streets. There were never ANY signs on the road I was on as to the speed limit. The police officer pulled me over anyways, because the speed limit was actually 25 on that road.

Do you think it mattered to him I didn't intentionally break the rules?

No one has given you any shit about breaking the rules. We give you Infractions. Staff does not talk about Infractions we give out, YOU'RE the one who brought it up.

If you don't want to get shit about your Infractions, don't bring it up.

Yes, that's how rules are typically enforced. If you don't enforce rules, there's no point in having them.

You broke the rules FIVE TIMES before your first one week banning. You'll have to break them two more times for a grand total of SEVEN TIMES before you receive a 1 Year Ban. If you can't figure out our rules after 6 different notices, we don't want you. It's really as simple as that.

I don't. Because discretion leads to subjective opinions which then leads to favoritism. Say what you want about the rules, but they are enforced equally all across the forum. Even the mods slip up from time to time and are giving Warnings/Infractions.

I'm not going to play the favoritism game.

That's because you haven't read the rules very well. Under that same theory, in a thread called "Who is the Greatest Wrestler of All-Time", someone could simply put "Hulk Hogan" and you wouldn't want them to be given an Infraction for spam, because it's pretty self-explanatory that Hogan was the greatest of all time because he was great.

That's not how our forum works. Our forum has not worked like that for nearly half a decade.

No, no it isn't. It's very clear. You have to take a position and support that position. If you do that, it's not spam. There's no interpretation to be had at all.

I don't care because you're completely wrong. If a spam post isn't taken care of, it's because it hasn't been seen, not because a moderator decided not to take care of it.

You're wrong. I've been doing this Staff gig for three years now. I helped define the current policy on spam. I helped re-write the Rulebook. I know EXACTLY what is spam and what is not. You're wrong. Deal with it.

Yes. Because you didn't tell us why you were posting them. You took a position, but didn't tell us why. That is spam.

There are over 900 posts in that thread which have not been deleted. Without looking through every single post, I'd say ALL of them did what they were supposed to, which was to post a video and tell us why they liked the song or why they were listening to it. You come along and want special treatment because you're too lazy to write why you like even one of the four videos you posted? Fuck that. You don't get special treatment. You have to follow the same rules everyone else does.

I fail to see how that's relevant. We're not talking about any other place on the Internet, we're talking about this place on the Internet.

Understandable. You're certainly not the first to struggle with the rules. Klunderbunker talks all the time how he received a Spamming Infraction the first day he got here, and he didn't post again for months, because he didn't understand the Rules. That's why we usually give a couple of Warnings before we give Infractions.

But this is the way we choose to run this forum, and it's not going to change. So you'll either have to do as our current Administrator Klunderbunker did, and take time to learn the rules, or you'll be banned. Those really are your only two options.

You were given FOUR previous notices that you were violating our rules. That's hardly "dropping the hammer on people". Do you get to kill four people before you go to jail for the fifth one? Can you rob 4 liquor stores before getting arrested on the fifth one? Do you get to break the speed limit 4 times before receiving a citation on the fifth?

I think we're extremely lax, and we're lax because we understand our rules are different. But we're not changing how we enforce them, so you're just going to have to deal.

No no, you missed my point. My point is that you seem to think we were gunning to ban you. We weren't. We don't give a flying fuck about you. Half of the mod staff probably didn't even know who you were until this thread. I only knew you because you got all pissy in the smoking thread.

Like I said, you vastly overestimate your worth around here.

Thank you, though I didn't really need your permission.

Yes you did. Here's what you said:

So if we decided we didn't want to accept it, how would we enforce everyone to be nice? By giving Discipline right? So then we have to decide which posts are nice to people and which aren't.

It was very hypocritical of you. Perhaps you hadn't taken the time to fully think out what you were saying, but what you said makes you look like a hypocrite.

Your posts in this thread would be an excellent place to start.

Not at all. When Shocky and I discuss politics, I rarely agree with him. The difference is Shocky isn't a moron and is able to make reasonable points. The same goes with Davi.

But let's face it, we're on a WRESTLING forum. And as I have said time and again, wrestling caters to children and idiots, so what kind of clientele do you think we're going to get on an Internet wrestling forum? It just goes with the territory.

Damn right I am. Stupidity needs to be weeded out, and no longer tolerated. I respect the rights of people to say stupid stuff, but if you do, I also respect my right to mock you. I'm tired of a society where every asinine opinion should be given equal weight. If you say stupid things, you deserve to be mocked. It's really that simple.

No, because I don't want to become known like the WWE forums were, where stupid people run amuck.

Absolutely, that's why I actively work to stamp out stupidity where ever I can find it. I'm a modern day superhero.

I'll tell you what. Why don't you PM each of the moderators on this forum and see if they agree with your assessment of what I do here. Since I'm an asshole like you say, and since I've had wars with many of them, I'm sure you'll get a pretty honest answer out of them.

You don't. You just give a damn about yourself. If you hadn't received those Infractions, you wouldn't give a rat's ass about anyone else who did.

Quit making yourself out to be the altruistic leader of repressed people. You're not. You're a selfish bastard who is throwing a temper tantrum because you have the mistaken notion that the Staff here gives a flying fuck about you or even knows who you are.

No you haven't. You can't name one person who got kicked out of here for any reason other than they broke the rules. Go ahead and try. I'll be waiting.

What's REALLY a waste of my time is reading stupid comments. I don't want to read stupid comments. I want to read intelligent discussion.

I don't give a fuck if people think I'm an asshole. I admit to it regularly. You seem to think your little diatribe here is telling me or others something I haven't already said myself a hundred times. The problem is you think I give a damn how you perceive me. I don't. I care about reading intelligent discussion and making sure the rules are enforced fairly and equally.

And as far as my "untouchable" position goes, I assure you me being an Administrator has nothing to do with it. I was twice the asshole on this forum before I got on Staff. Ask anyone who has been around for a while, they'll tell you I'm much nicer now than I used to be. Well, maybe not MUCH nicer, but definitely nicer.

No, it really was what you were saying. The problem is you didn't expect me to recognize it. You want to be able to stand up and profess what you believe in, without me standing up for what I believe in. I believe in mocking stupidity. You think I shouldn't be allowed to do that.

That's exactly what you were saying. I'm not playing word games, I'm just recognizing your hypocrisy.

I do. If someone has a booger hanging out of their nose, I tell them. Why? Because a brief moment of embarrassment is far better than having 100 people see you with a booger hanging out of your nose.

Along that same vein, if someone says something stupid, I tell them. Why? Because it's better they learn now, then continue to make themselves look like a fool for the rest of their life. That IS human decency. Not all opinions are valid, and not all thoughts make sense. Those which are stupid need to know they are stupid.

Perhaps not, but it's certainly not nearly as effective.

No, it's because I AM secure in the knowledge that I'm right that I do so. I don't have to prove my worth, I know my worth. It's because I know my worth I feel confident in rooting out stupidity.

It has before.



The typical Internet tough man creedo. The problem with your assumption is that I have done it in real life, and will continue to do it in real life. I did it at school during a class debate with one of my best friends. I do it occasionally on Tuesday night when I'm playing basketball with one of my friends and we talk politics. I do it whenever store clerks tell me something which is completely ridiculous. I did it when a restaurant charged me automatic gratuity (which I did not pay). I do it all the time. This isn't an Internet thing, this is a real thing. Hell, I've done it with my wife, and I assure you, she can make me pay far worse than any human being alive, if you know what I mean.

So yes, this shit flies in real life, and I'm not just doing it behind a monitor.

I've never punished anyone for disagreeing. I just show them how stupid they are, if they are saying stupid things.

Who's trying to play word games now?

You've obviously never argued with Xfear.

That's because usually the ones who don't have a good reputation on the forums are the stupid ones. And they get mocked for being stupid. Why do you constantly force me into saying this?

I would suggest YOU'RE the one turning a blind eye to things. There are disputes all the time between posters. Hell, when xfear is a regular, we rarely go a month without a knockdown dragout brawl, using the most clever ways we can think of to insult each other's intelligence. Stormtrooper and Big Sexy just had a big brawl over Tim Tebow. Klunderbunker and Xfear get into each other's faces. Alitude (or whatever his name was) and I got into a huge argument over John Cena and he called me every insult he could think of and never once received an Infraction from me.

The fact is you don't know what you're talking about. And you don't know what you're talking about, because you're too busy whining about the fact everyone is out to get you, when the fact is most people here don't give a fuck about you.

It depends entirely on two things. How respectful are they being to me and how intelligent is what they are saying. If they say something reasonably intelligent and incredibly respectful, they get a respectful comment in return. Go check out Dagger Dias "Apology" thread for the debate SavageTaker and I had. It was intense, but SavageTaker even repped me saying he liked having the debate and how I was being respectful. It helps when you say reasonably intelligent things and are respectful to me.

But if you say something stupid, or say it disrespectfully, you get the same in return.

Yep.

If I discredited their points, then I made points to explain why theirs were so invalid. That's kind of how you discredit someone's argument.

Yep.

No, I dismiss this as being stupid because they are. Like many of your complaints regarding how our Staff runs the forum.

Just look at the last two posts I've made to you. When you say reasonable things, I respond reasonably. When you say stupid things, I point out they're stupid. What amazes me is the fact you want people to believe you recognize this, and yet you keep saying stupid things and then act offended when you're mocked.

Don't you think it's telling that basically no one here has agreed with your opinions on the Staff?

I've never once not been honest. I don't want to hear how it's okay for you to kill me because you're too mentally weak to not smoke cigarettes. Was I ever unclear on that subject? Did I not say essentially the same thing in that thread?

There is no intelligent debate to be had on this subject. You are mentally weak and want it to be okay to kill me. I'm sorry, but I won't have a debate on that. I'll be more than happy to discuss with you ways which can help you stop killing me, but I will not hear arguments on why it is okay for you to kill me. There is no intelligent argument which can be had on that subject.

If you don't want me to mock you, just admit it's a mental weakness you have, and apologize for killing me.

Yes, it is true you are acting like a raving idiot. I don't think anyone in this thread has disagreed with that.



I have whipped your ass up and down this thread, and done so in only two posts. I'm pretty certain that's not it.

Exactly right. Why? Because I know what it's like to run a wrestling forum, and you don't. Because I've been doing this for three years and you're only bitching because you don't know how to follow the rules. When it comes to running a web forum, I'll take my opinion over yours every day of the week.



And yet, Xfear is a G-Mod, and has never once kissed my ass or Klunderbunkers. In fact, he's done exactly the opposite. You keep making an ass out of yourself.

What the fuck are you talking about? I've admitted, on several occasions, I mock stupid people. How the fuck is that me refusing to admit it exists? I've acknowledged you don't know how to follow the rules, how is that me refusing to exist? What the fuck are you talking about?

You see, this is one of those examples of you saying something incredibly stupid. And you deserve to be mocked for it. Dumbass.

Because I find this way works better.

When I first got on these forums, it was in the middle of John Cena hate. I was the lone Cena defender against basically an entire forum of haters. But after a long time mocking and ridiculing the stupid arguments which came up, I eventually convinced people I was right about John Cena. Now, you'll find that most of the regulars here either like Cena, respect his work and/or recognize he's not as bad as they first thought.

I do what I think is best. And I really don't give a damn if you like it or not.

The difference is I mock posts and things said, not people, and no one has to come read what I say. So fuck off.


A major dick? No. A complete dumbass? Yes.

Yes. You're upset because we won't bend the rules to accommodate your lack of desire to follow them. I understand completely.

No, because your interests are not to help everyone, they are to help you. You're being a selfish bastard, and trying to cloak it in altruistic actions. Furthermore, you don't know what you're talking about, you haven't even been on this forum for 6 months which means you don't know what it was like before you got here, and I know a lot more about how to run a place than you do.

If you want to help people, don't tell Staff members we don't know how to do our jobs. Because we do. In fact, do me a favor. Send a PM to Klunderbunker, and ask him just how much more insight he has gotten into why the forum is run the way it is since he became an Administrator. Every step up the Staff ladder, you understand more and more why things are done the way they are. And when you've been an Administrator for two years, when you've seen numerous bot attacks and you've seen posters like Sully create over 50 Alt accounts, and you have the technical knowledge I have, you'll understand a lot more why we do things the way we do.

But until that moment comes, you're ignorant. So I suggest you simply acknowledge your ignorance and be on your way.

Nothing stops them from speaking their minds now. We've never once handed out Discipline for what people say, but rather because they didn't follow the rules when they said it. That's not going to change.



Really? You think so? Here are all the messages YOU received when receiving your Warnings and Infractions.







The first four were polite and respectful and before your banning. Didn't prevent you from acting like an asshole.


http://forums.wrestlezone.com/showthread.php?t=197964

Does it suck to constantly be proven wrong?

No, bottom line is you want us to change the rules because you can't be bothered with adhering to them.

Not dodging anything. What I'm telling you is that people like me serve two roles. The first role is as a poster and the second is as a Staff member. When I'm calling you a dumbass, I'm doing it in my role as a poster. When I give you an Infraction, I'm doing it in my role as a Staff member. There is no overlap between them.

Not dodging anything, you just have to be intelligent enough to understand what I'm saying.

They don't.

They just know and understand the rules better than you do. They know how to flame someone, but still do it in a relevant post to the subject, which negates the flame rule. Again, I point you back to Alitude and the debate I had with him in the Cena forum. He flamed me constantly in that thread, and never once received an Infraction.

Again, the problem here is not with us, but with you not understanding the rules.

You're trying to bore me out of the mod race, aren't you?

 

[Uncle Sam]

Two things you need to do to be a successful mod:

1) Shrug.
2) ROFL.

 

[Bernkastel]

Typical thread about a bad poster complaining about the rules once he's been punished *yawn*

Instead of bitching about everything Ba Bomb, why don't you take the sand out of your vagina and learn to be a better poster. It's not that hard.

 

[klunderbunker]

Translation: You are insignificant to the all powerful, and your message must be stifled so I am going to ignore it and act as if you said nothing of relevance.

Who's acting? You are irrelevant.

 

[LSN80]

I posted a few videos in a thread that was primarily videos, and that was spam? Again listen to what you're saying, the threads main purpose is for people to post videos of what they are listening to(as the peoples participation shows) and you are saying that you can't just post videos as the thread intends, you need to go into a thesis on why you are listening to what you are listening too or else you are spamming? Ya know, I don't know any other place on the internet that would call that spamming in a thread of that nature.

I highlighted the key part for you. This is not other places on the Internet, these are our rules. When you joined, you were PM'd rules, correct? That indicated your willingness to follow them, explicitedly, when you started posting. You seem like the kind in life that tries to get away with as much as you can, and then when arrested, it's the fault of the power hungry, big bad police.

That's probably why I've had a hard time with that stuff, because nowhere else I have ever been or still go to has an approach like that, yet none of them have a problem with spamming either. Maybe if you guys were a little less about "Dropping the hammer" on people and were a little more lax about that kind of thing you'd notice things run a little smoother as well.

Then why not go post there, where the rules are to your liking? Seriously dude, what do you get by posting here? Further, Ive banned one person in seven months as a Mod. Why? For posting porn. Using your logic, I was too hard on him, never mind it's a legal issue for minors.Still think all Mods are about dropping dat hammer?

You make it clear all the time that no one has any real worth around here accept you all knowing mods who sit on your perches and cast stones at everyone else.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." You cast the first stone by starting this thread. Are you free of wrongdoing?

Don't fulfill the very charges I just laid out, aren't you smarter than that, than to validate everything I was saying? Apparently not.

So you want us to validate what you say, even if its blatantly wrong? Something seems off there...

I already do post elsewhere and their nowhere near as anal about it. This goes into that whole topic of discretion again.

I wasn't even the one who infracted you. I simply explained why you were infracted. There was no grey area, no room for discretion, your post was 100% spam. Now, you're blaming my friend Nate because you can't follow rules, ones that 95% of the forum agree with, and follow.

By the nature of the thread, it was mostly people just posting videos, some folks talked a little bit about them, but there was no real discussion.just a simple "What are you listening to" so, by nature of the thread there shouldn't even be any infractions from it as a result, ergo DISCRETION

The discussion is explaining why they like the song, or what it means to them. Im one of the most frequent posters there, I would know. There's no discretion there, if you don't explain why you like the song, it's spam.

Or how hard is it to look and figure out "Oh, this person must have figured that was okay. Maybe I should PM them to let them know that technically counts as spam so they can correct it" Rather than just going BANG! FUCK YOU, INFRACTION!!! Give people a chance to correct it first and THEN if they decide not to you give them the infraction? Does anyone else not see the genius in this? Fewer infraction, fewer pissed off people, fewer banning and prison sentences, and in the process people don't look at you like a bunch of douche-bags on a power trip.

That's what warnings are for. You got TWO before being infracted. TWO warnings, and you obviously ignored them, or you wouldn't have been infracted. You're not a martyr, you're not the "Voice of the Voiceless", you're just a guy who refuses to follow rules. Translation? You're a belligerent jackass. Ask ANYONE on this board, I'm on no power trip, whatsoever. Three days ago, I found a spam post by someone I could(and possibly should) have banned. Instead I gave him a final warning. But what a power hungry, "better then you" Moderator I am, right?

Do you also not see that while I may come off as a dick, my interests are only to help improve things here for everyone?

Ask just about anyone publicly, and they'll tell you the obvious: You're all about serving an audience of one: Yourself.

[YOUTUBE]wpEHRJf4q1k[/YOUTUBE]

As the song says, raise your hand, as your clearly in this alone, and anyone who remotely supported you is gone. Check the election results to see how many people believe in, or support your rhetoric.

Think about it, if people are happier because they feel safer to speak their minds, the mods ease up a bit on busting peoples asses.

This thread is proof you can speak your mind. Noone's infracted you for it, they've just challenged your POV. As in, speaking their mind too! Further, if we were "loose" with the rules, this place would be chaos, and we wouldn't be doing our job.

Once again, it's always "drivel" or something of the like when it's not what you want to hear. As for what I posted and how it turned out with the people who aren't mods, it turned out the same because as I've mentioned over and over now it's not JUST the mods, but the problem with the mods is what makes it all the worse. Roll your eyes to that.

I roll my eyes at your ignorance, because you're incapable of taking criticism. You're so capable of dishing it out, but how dare someone challenge you! This was your attitude during the election, garnering you one vote. Seems I'm not the only one who considers your words drivel, facts say I'm in the majority here. I rarely speak out, didn't in the election regarding you, which means the others came to these conclusions all by themselves!

I wasn't complaining about it, I was just noting how I was not shocked by it and knew it was coming in one form or another no matter what because I'm not very well liked at the moment and I'm not one of the protected members in the high ranks or establishment.

But it had nothing to do with imaginary disdain for you(Personally, I'm ambivalent). Nor does it involve you not being a "Made Man." I'm not protected, if I spammed, I'd be disciplined. The only thing this is about is you breaking the rules. Nothing else.

Oh but you are just waiting like a hawk on it's prey to do it aren't you? You should never do yourself the disservice
of admitting that you want to act against people out of personal bias, it makes the crazies like me proven to be right. All you are saying is that you haven't done it because you haven't found a loophole yet, give it time.

There's a HUGE difference between personal thoughts, and action. And quite the opposite, I mostly ignore Beiber. Someone else can warn/infract/ban him, unless I come across something blatant. But great job playing the fool!

 

[#hamler]

Lulz, does no one understand what tl;dr means?

 

[LSN80]

All of my responses were short! There were just many of them, Hamler!

 

[The Brain]

That's what warnings are for. You got TWO before being infracted. TWO warnings, and you obviously ignored them, or you wouldn't have been infracted. You're not a martyr, you're not the "Voice of the Voiceless", you're just a guy who refuses to follow rules. Translation? You're a belligerent jackass. Ask ANYONE on this board, I'm on no power trip, whatsoever. Three days ago, I found a spam post by someone I could(and possibly should) have banned. Instead I gave him a final warning. But what a power hungry, "better then you" Moderator I am, right?

Take notice of this Ba-Bomb. I wish people would understand warnings. It is simply that; a warning. Warnings do not lead to bannings. Repeated warnings lead to infractions. Repeated infractions lead to bannings. See how that works? I'm pretty sure I deleted a couple of Ba-Bomb's spam posts without issuing a warning or infraction so he actually got even more chances than it seems. Ba-Bomb, I realize you didn't intentionally break the rules. How do you suggest we make you aware of it besides issuing a warning?

 

[The Brain]

Lulz, does no one understand what tl;dr means?

Actually I didn't know what it meant for a long time. I used to think it was random key strokes to show you just didn't care. Finally I noticed those random key strokes were always the same so I asked what it meant. I'm too old and lame to keep up with internet and text lingo.

 

[D-Man]

LULZ this thread.

 

[Miko]

Actually I didn't know what it meant for a long time. I used to think it was random key strokes to show you just didn't care. Finally I noticed those random key strokes were always the same so I asked what it meant. I'm too old and lame to keep up with internet and text lingo.

This about describes me, I still dont know what it means. My unparalleled powers of deduction tell me its too long, dont read.

I still dont know what 4chan is.

 

[Hyorinmaru]

or you could acknowledge you fucked up and come back and not do it again.

Kind of like me.

 

[LSN80]

I say that people who are up for the vote should NOT be allowed to PM for votes, but how can we stop this?

I think someone of far more importance then you says otherwise. If I show you, will you please shut up?

Spoiler

Originally posted by Slyfox696
4.Trading rep points for votes is allowed.

5. PM'ing people for votes is allowed.

Or, you could just read this:

http://forums.wrestlezone.com/showthread.php?t=193923

Damnit Dagger, this is classless & despicable. But it did put him in the lead.

See above. How is it classless and despicable when it was noted from the beginning to be allowed?