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Is it me or is the WWE just not original anymore? I just finished watching Raw and watching Lord Tensai steal a victory from Cena. Now I suppose in two weeks we get to see Brock do the same. Is this the best WWE creative can do? Tensai or let's just call him by what we all think of when we see him Albert is still as horrible as he was years ago and Brock to be honest has lost some of his mystique since getting whipped in the UFC. I want to know what happened to creating characters like The Warrior, Taker,Kane,Yokozuna,Macho Man, etc. I could go on for days listing wrestlers from the 80's but I wont.

My question to the forum is do any of these guys they bring in today feel like the wrestlers from back in the 80's and 90's? To me they don't come close and maybe it's because things just move to fast but Tensai is terrible and not believable since the UFC shows us that big fat guys generally can't fight (Roy Nelson I am not talking about you). I am sick to death of this generic crap we are fed now. I think Cena is great but when you put a guy like Tensai over him I have to wonder what the hell? I don't buy it. Brock I can buy but even he doesn't have me very interested since his run in the UFC showed that his "monster physique" can be overcome by technique. Does anyone else feel this way? I just want something to fit and be like now this guy has a chance to go somewhere. Until Ziggler is ready and gets his own WWE Title run I guess I will wait and hope all these said monsters go away.
 
You know what really gets me going is that Cena has been their best wrestler for all of these years, he's busted his ass of for the company and now all of a sudden because John Laryngitis is now the big dumbass hot shot all of a sudden he's losing? For what, for Brock Lesnar to come back and try and make a name for himself? I don't normally complain but I am tonight ~ I don't like Lesnar and I never will; he was too full of himself in the UFC and he's still way to full of himself now. He figures if he had stayed in the WWE that he's be the #1 man and that Cena would be carrying his bags. So if that's the case, then why didn't he stay? Was UFC that much better that he absolutely *had* to leave? Its so not original to cause the best wrestler in the WWE to start losing like he's weak when we know he's not; unless this is their way to showing the fans who always bitch about Cena being shoved down their throats that they are gonna let him lose for awhile.

What does this prove? Not a thing, I'm just tired already of Laurinitis throwing his weight around, making the good guys suffer and the bad guys puff out their chests like they're such big tough guys. RAW is not original right now nor are they doing anything new, this just goes to show that when they going gets tough they drop the ball ~ I hope it picks up soon, or I will only be reading the updates here on Wrestlezone since watching it just isn't an option right now.
 
LOL WWE not original anymore because Cena lost a RAW match? LMAO. If Cena would have won that match tonight, THAT would have been orginal, right? And Brock Lesnar being back on RAW after 7 years is un-orginal...yea I can see that.

What a joke.
 
Is it me or is the WWE just not original anymore?

Yes. You are the only person on the planet that has considered that the WWE is less than original. We are all jabbering, mouth-breathing sycophants (if you need to reach for a dictionary, I'll understand) that never pause to think about the quality of our entertainment. You, in your glorious wisdom, have shattered the bonds of reality and torn free the light of the heavens, descending upon us with your shocking revelations. Speak, oh prophet, speak! Tell us more of your unprecedented wisdom!
I just finished watching Raw and watching Lord Tensai steal a victory from Cena. Now I suppose in two weeks we get to see Brock do the same. Is this the best WWE creative can do?

So, I guess you have a ton of backstage connections since you know what's booked for Extreme Rules already. Can you get me free seats? Seriously, times are tough man.
Tensai or let's just call him by what we all think of when we see him Albert

I heard that next week's main event is K-Kwik and Nicky vs Dustin Rhodes and Isaac Yankem. With your extensive backstage connections, can you confirm or deny?
is still as horrible as he was years ago and Brock to be honest has lost some of his mystique since getting whipped in the UFC.

You mean the guy that beat Frank Mir to a bloody pulp? The guy that won the World Heavyweight Championship? The guy that spiked UFC buyrates higher than ever before? We're talking about the same gentleman, here?

Okay, no, seriously, let's get to business. How large do you assume the UFC/WWE crossover audience is? I get it - since you're probably unemployed and can't so much as get the mildly attractive cashier to give you the time of time, you have an awful lot of free time on your hands to watch every possible incarnation of sweaty men hurling each other about, and since you're no doubt cool, edgy, and possess a large collection of Affliction T-shirts (so that everyone will understand how cool and edgy you are) you're all up to date with the hippest happenings of the UFC. But, unfortunately, my dear, dear, soft-headed friend, many people that watch the WWE are not, in fact, tuning in to the UFC on a regular basis. But more importantly, of those that do, approximately 0% of them (the non-lobotomized ones, anyhow) give any fucks at all about what happens in the UFC compared to the WWE, because, and this might be a shock to you, so you may want to sit down, the two have got fuck all to do with one another. Let me give you an analogy. If you walked into a coffee shop, right, ordered yourself a nice big latte, sat down, had a sip, then spit it out, threw it on the ground, and screamed, "This tastes nothing like orange soda, you hacks!", would you be taken seriously? Come to the WWE for wrestling. Go to Starbucks for coffee. Don't expect the WWE to give you MMA, and don't expect the barista to serve you Diet Crush.
I want to know what happened to creating characters like The Warrior, Taker,Kane,Yokozuna,Macho Man, etc. I could go on for days listing wrestlers from the 80's but I wont.

I'm having trouble following your logical consistency - probably not surprising, considering I doubt you've got any. But, here we go anyway. One, you talk extensively about how you hate fat dudes, i.e. Tensai, but then you praise Yokozuna. What? Furthermore, you praise the UFC but call for a return of the most insane, non serious cartoony guys ever to step into the WWE. What again?
My question to the forum is do any of these guys they bring in today feel like the wrestlers from back in the 80's and 90's? To me they don't come close and maybe it's because things just move to fast but Tensai is terrible and not believable since the UFC shows us that big fat guys generally can't fight (Roy Nelson I am not talking about you)
.

I'll pose a question to you, alright? If Tensai was in a bar, and you were fighting him, how would you feel about it? Would you expect that the 300 pound behemoth would quietly lie down to, I don't know, a guillotine choke? Wrestling has always had big guys who kicked preposterous amounts of ass because guess what, they're big, scary, and will beat the shit out of you. How can you possibly claim Tensai is not believable? He's a behemoth. An errant fart could probably send Kelly Kelly to the hospital.
I am sick to death of this generic crap we are fed now.

Well, you know, here's a thought, you could stop watching.
I think Cena is great but when you put a guy like Tensai over him I have to wonder what the hell? I don't buy it.

I'd just like you to clarify, if you will, in what way spitting green mist in someone's face equates with going over. He cheated to win. I mean, seriously, even if you don't believe Tensai could beat Cena clean, he spit green mist in his face. Come on now, son.
Brock I can buy but even he doesn't have me very interested since his run in the UFC showed that his "monster physique" can be overcome by technique.

See various above points, re: Starbucks, orange soda, etc.
Does anyone else feel this way?

No.

Well, perhaps, if they, too, grew up eating paint chips.

I just want something to fit and be like now this guy has a chance to go somewhere. Until Ziggler is ready and gets his own WWE Title run I guess I will wait and hope all these said monsters go away.

Well, I'll tell you what, I'm glad you resolved that one. The gripping narrative of what you would do with yourself in this existential crisis had me captivated. Frankly, I expected a career as a male prostitute, but you gave us all a feel good ending. Well done, sir.

Listen, buddy, you're overreacting. I expect it's because perhaps you haven't had your Ritalin today, but nevertheless. Here's what happened tonight: Tensai beat Cena by cheating. He won't ever go over him clean. Lesnar will. Lesnar, however, is a former three time champion and among the most dominant wrestlers ever, and fully deserves everything he gets. If he's WWE Champion, he will be believable, respectable, entertaining, and great at what he does. Do you know how I know that? Because he did it three times before, and it worked. There's a time and place for Ziggler, but how could you possibly, at this moment, want him to be in Brock's place? Hell, you talk about believability. Do you believe Dolph Ziggler can beat John Cena, but Brock Lesnar can't? Do you even watch wrestling?
 
I have to disagree with the OP on several points.

Yes, the evil GM storyline has been used time and time again, in promotion after promotion, but in this incarnation it is serving a larger purpose, and is fueling several highly visible storylines all at once. It was a means to introduce Lesnar, and to try to get him over as a heel.

I don't see how Cena losing more often can be seen as unoriginal in any way, especially when you consider the amount of fans that have voiced their opinions that Cena wins far too often. WWE is trying to paint Cena as the most vulnerable he has been in his career. Losing to Rock, and now taking on Lesnar is designed to humanize, and bring fans back to Cena. Will it work..only time will tell. There's originality in the Cena admitting he's afraid of Lesnar...when was the last time he's said that about an opponent?

It's pointless to try and compare superstars of the 80's and 90's with the current roster, especially in respect to the big men. In the 80's and 90's, WWE had shows like Superstars, in time slots that were conducive to using local talent to job to their big men, to allow them to establish their characters, in ring work, and to get them over in a way that reduced their immediate visibility in high profile matches. WWE simply doesn't do that anymore. Guys like Tensai and Clay are being fed lower card talent that fans have largely not invested in. It's harder to get any wrestler over in a squash match now, because of the talent pool, and because with Raw and SD, there just isn't much time dedicated to any one talent in a squash after squash environment.

Do I think Cena should lose to Lord Tensai....no. Tensai hasn't connected with fans yet, and hasn't done nearly enough to establish his spot in ring with WWE's biggest name..but I can go with it because it serves a larger purpose. It continues Cena's developing vulnerability, and gives WWE a chance to put Tensai out there in a high profile manner in hopes fans will take notice. I don't think it will work, but I don't fault WWE for trying. At least with Tensai, his size warranted some suspension of belief in a match with Cena, which is more than could be said last week when it was Cena and Otunga in the main event.

Lastly, I don't think Lesnar losing in the UFC devalues his impact in WWE, and I don't think most wrestling fans really care. The response two weeks ago showed their is a rabid fan base out there for Lesnar. Most fans buy in to the nostalgia Lesnar brings, and his history with Cena. The fact that he went to UFC, won and lost does legitimize him as a warrior, because fans know that he really has put it all on the line. Bringing that mentality back to WWE only furthers his character, and gives fans a new reason to believe in him as a monster.

You mentioned Taker, Kane, Yokozuna, Macho Man...all iconic wrestlers, but two of those are still actively competing to this day. It's easy to look back at previous generations of talent and throw praise, but there's no way of saying who of the current crop of talent will reach that level. There's too much talent in WWE right now to simply dismiss any of them as unable of reaching the heights of previous superstars. Doing so is a discredit to them.

If you are that deeply dissatisfied with WWE's current product, maybe it's time to move on to some other promotions for a while. Give ROH, DGUSA, EVOLVE, any other promotion a whirl for a while. If you come back to WWE and still don't like what you see, than maybe its just not the promotion for you.
 
You know what really gets me going is that Cena has been their best wrestler for all of these years, he's busted his ass of for the company and now all of a sudden because John Laryngitis is now the big dumbass hot shot all of a sudden he's losing? For what, for Brock Lesnar to come back and try and make a name for himself? I don't normally complain but I am tonight ~ I don't like Lesnar and I never will; he was too full of himself in the UFC and he's still way to full of himself now. He figures if he had stayed in the WWE that he's be the #1 man and that Cena would be carrying his bags. So if that's the case, then why didn't he stay? Was UFC that much better that he absolutely *had* to leave? Its so not original to cause the best wrestler in the WWE to start losing like he's weak when we know he's not; unless this is their way to showing the fans who always bitch about Cena being shoved down their throats that they are gonna let him lose for awhile.

What does this prove? Not a thing, I'm just tired already of Laurinitis throwing his weight around, making the good guys suffer and the bad guys puff out their chests like they're such big tough guys. RAW is not original right now nor are they doing anything new, this just goes to show that when they going gets tough they drop the ball ~ I hope it picks up soon, or I will only be reading the updates here on Wrestlezone since watching it just isn't an option right now.

I don't know if Cena would have been carrying Brock's bags but we all know including you that if Brock wouldn't have left he'd be the top dog, Orton certainly wouldn't be where he is and Cena wouldn't quite be where he is. So Lesnar is telling the truth in those regards. Lesnar left because of the schedule and money. What's not original is Super Cena never losing or losing twice a year. So what if Cena lost two damn matches how often does that happen? It's about time.
 
john cena 12 world champion brock lesnar 3 time world champion lesnar was on top for a year LOL cenas been top dog for 8 years cena>lesnar thats all i need too say
 
LOL WWE not original anymore because Cena lost a RAW match? LMAO. If Cena would have won that match tonight, THAT would have been orginal, right? And Brock Lesnar being back on RAW after 7 years is un-orginal...yea I can see that.

What a joke.

Agreed, what a joke!! Yeah Raw was so unoriginal my goodness.
 
It's pretty obvious that the guy who made this post is a cena fanboy. Having Supercena lose matches is not original? hahahaha give me a break.
It's not original at all because he didn't lose clean.
In all these years they only booked him to lose clean against The Rock.
CM Punk at MITB does not count.
I think it won't happen but I wish Lesnar destroys Cena at Extreme Rules. AND CLEAN!!!
 
john cena 12 world champion brock lesnar 3 time world champion lesnar was on top for a year LOL cenas been top dog for 8 years cena>lesnar thats all i need too say

Brock was an Undisputed Champion during a highly popular era in pro wrestling, something Cena has never been. He's only been champion in the split roster era, where everyone and his brother can be a multiple time champion. I'm not a Cena hater by any stretch, but he has certainly benefited from a less than stellar roster for most of his tenure. I'd count any Undisputed Championship run as more meaningful than any recent title run. When there was one champion, it felt legit.
 
cena has been beaten by hhh fairly at night of champions hbk beat him fairly on raw in 07 cena loses just not often but lesnar is a joke batista has surpassed him hes not in johns league if he "loved the wwe" soo much he wouldnt have left after 2 years LOL
 
Really? Really?! REALLY??!! Cena wins ppl riot and he lose and you riot? They are going in the right direction to being original. Cena is losing and has been away from the title picture for over 6 months. When has the last time that happened? And Lord Tensaii is a believable threat with his story of dominating in japan where they have great talent. Him beating Cena was needed with the rumors of him facing CM Punk soon and a win over Cena will validate in some manner him a title shot. I think they are having Cena lose often to see if his crowd reaction change and the ppl rally behind him.
 
Sounds like the first two people who posted are some angry CenaNation members. Now you know what the rest of us normal fans have been putting up with with John Cena winning every match for what seemed like 20 years. It's about time Cena starts losing and putting people over, God knows he's been put over and won enough matches as it is!!!
 
I love it! You all make great points that I wont deny. By the way I don't have any backstage connections or really want any for that matter just to settle that. I am a wrestling fan plain and simple. I will continue to watch but I just want to see the WWE create some good characters for once. I get the whole Cena losing thing and that is fine also but so soon to Tensai? Brock I can see but not Tensai. My only issue I guess when you get right down to it is that everything moves so fast anymore that everything feels rushed. Granted Rock and Cena was very slow and turned out well.

Harthan you are taking what I said way too seriously. Go out and get you some ass before you blow a gasket dude. It's just a question I ask to see if anyone else feels the same way. A simple no would suffice. Just to let everyone know I have been watching wrestling for around 30 years and I still enjoy it today. I watch it with my kids because they live for this stuff. When I reflect on what I seen back in the day and think about what I see know it's not a surprise that I feel the product is a little old. How many tv shows run for 30+ years and retain good ratings? My opinion is that the product today is nothing like the product of yesterday and that is due to times changing.

Just to make everyone understand I am not God and I never will be so anything I say on this board is an opinion just like all of yours. I read a lot of trash on this board and a lot of things that make me laugh and that is what makes me come back everyday. So fools keep being fools and people who have a brain keep making the fools mad because you all make my day!
 
It's pretty obvious that the guy who made this post is a cena fanboy. Having Supercena lose matches is not original? hahahaha give me a break.
It's not original at all because he didn't lose clean.
In all these years they only booked him to lose clean against The Rock.
CM Punk at MITB does not count.
I think it won't happen but I wish Lesnar destroys Cena at Extreme Rules. AND CLEAN!!!


Maybe your forgetting Shawn Michaels, HHH, Edge, Batista all beat Cena "clean" also. And why doent CM Punk at MITB count?
 
Not to sound like a fanboy, but it's pretty obvious they now want to use Cena as a "shortcut to get guys over" which is not exciting, at all.

Couple in the difficulty in suspending disbelief that somehow, Albert is now unstoppable after winning a tag title in Japan, and you've got a legitimate gripe.

Gentlemen, proceed.
 
Even for Cena fans... this is the best year and so he has had in 8 YEARS!. He is part of the high profile feuds, NEXUS, CM PUNK, ROCK, LESNAR.

Winning or losing has nothing to do here, the guy is in the spot light and wwe is feeding him with the best names they can.

If you are a Cena fan, be happy, because the guy is getting the best. If you are not a Cena fan, enjoy, because we are in a period where we know cena can lose, cena can be beaten, and cena can be humilliated (kayfabe).
 
LOL A thread made just for Cena losing a match ?

:lmao:

Go watch RAW and PPVs from 2007-2010. 90% of the time Cena has won the matches and the WWE has sucked since 2007.

In 2012 its getting better with the return of Brock Lesnar, Albert (Lord Tensai) etc. Ruthless Agrression Era from 2002-2005 was great. Even better than the Attitude Era. Great Roster, good storylines, awesome wrestling matches. It looks like WWE is kind of returning to the Ruthless Agression Era which is awesome.
 
The longer I stay on this site the worse it gets.

Somebody loses 2 matches in a row and they're being buried, the wrestlers are too boring but there needs to be more gimmicks BUT it also needs to be more believable.

And now because Cena isn't running through everyone in his path with ease you're complaining when that's exactly what he's been doing for the last 7 years, jesus christ.
 
This is brilliant. WWE playing certain members of the IWC.

1 month ago Cena was hated. He was 'Super Cena' who never lost and was really stale. Now after a loss to The Rock, Lord Tensai and 'probably' Brock Lesnar the same (probably) members of the IWC are bitching and moaning about Wrestlers coming back and beating Cena!!!

Brilliant. I bet Vinny, Trips, Steph and Cena are pissing themselves reading garbage like this.
 
I always liked Cena and agree he is the head of the company but unlike the OP I don't have a problem with Cena losing matches to put other guys over. The thing that really erks me is how ICW marks complain about Cena winning every match even when he loses week after week, its so annoying people get exactly what they want by not having Cena in the title picture and have him lose matches more often but they still find some way to complain about him.Super Cena this Super Cena that, he wins too much blah blah blah well the facts are Cena has been losing more than the beloved CM Punk and Sheamus . I can't even think of the last time Punk or Sheamus has lost a match by pinfall.
 
You know what really gets me going is that Cena has been their best wrestler for all of these years, he's busted his ass of for the company and now all of a sudden because John Laryngitis is now the big dumbass hot shot all of a sudden he's losing? For what, for Brock Lesnar to come back and try and make a name for himself? I don't normally complain but I am tonight ~ I don't like Lesnar and I never will; he was too full of himself in the UFC and he's still way to full of himself now. He figures if he had stayed in the WWE that he's be the #1 man and that Cena would be carrying his bags. So if that's the case, then why didn't he stay? Was UFC that much better that he absolutely *had* to leave? Its so not original to cause the best wrestler in the WWE to start losing like he's weak when we know he's not; unless this is their way to showing the fans who always bitch about Cena being shoved down their throats that they are gonna let him lose for awhile.

What does this prove? Not a thing, I'm just tired already of Laurinitis throwing his weight around, making the good guys suffer and the bad guys puff out their chests like they're such big tough guys. RAW is not original right now nor are they doing anything new, this just goes to show that when they going gets tough they drop the ball ~ I hope it picks up soon, or I will only be reading the updates here on Wrestlezone since watching it just isn't an option right now.


You do know it's all FIXED right? Oh, Im sorry...did I spoil something for you?

The fact that Cena HAS been on top for years is the reason everyone is going after him. When you're the top guy you have a target on your back. Everyone wants to beat the top guy and take his place.

Dont you think Cena has agreed to all of this? It's not like they are beating on him for shits and giggles!

Look at it in terms of comic...like Superman. JL is the bad guy (Luthor), building a team to take out the good guy (Superman) and take over the world (WWE).

Go ahead, stop watching and see if the WWE will care. RAW has been strong since the Road to WM started.
 
Wow. Just because cena lost a match on raw, we are talking about the 80s and how raw is generic crap. Raw is getting better. They want to obviously build up tensai as a heel, so thats what they are doing. He cheated to win, the fans wont like him. Plus, how do you know lesnar is going to win at extreme rules? I could see it going either way. Back to your post, they clearly had tensai win to build up lesnar at extreme rules, they are building up the heel.
 
You know what really gets me going is that Cena has been their best wrestler for all of these years, he's busted his ass of for the company and now all of a sudden because John Laryngitis is now the big dumbass hot shot all of a sudden he's losing? For what, for Brock Lesnar to come back and try and make a name for himself? I don't normally complain but I am tonight ~ I don't like Lesnar and I never will; he was too full of himself in the UFC and he's still way to full of himself now. He figures if he had stayed in the WWE that he's be the #1 man and that Cena would be carrying his bags. So if that's the case, then why didn't he stay? Was UFC that much better that he absolutely *had* to leave? Its so not original to cause the best wrestler in the WWE to start losing like he's weak when we know he's not; unless this is their way to showing the fans who always bitch about Cena being shoved down their throats that they are gonna let him lose for awhile.

What does this prove? Not a thing, I'm just tired already of Laurinitis throwing his weight around, making the good guys suffer and the bad guys puff out their chests like they're such big tough guys. RAW is not original right now nor are they doing anything new, this just goes to show that when they going gets tough they drop the ball ~ I hope it picks up soon, or I will only be reading the updates here on Wrestlezone since watching it just isn't an option right now.


Lesnar try to make a name for himself??? Maybe you havent noticed Lesnar has a name and he is probably more popular than Cena is. Cena is not the best Wrestler in the WWE he isn't even close. He is the guy the WWE pushed as the face of the company that doesnt make him the best. Now the WWE isn't original because Cena is no longer being portrayed as Superman and unbeatable. Will isn't that just to bad. You do realize Laurinitis plays a character on Raw right?? That it is all an act??? He isn't throwing weight around he is playing his part. Just like Cena who consistantly get put over everyone else is now losing cause he is doing his part. Lesnar left the WWE to pursue real competition which the WWE is not. It is entertainment, so to him leaving the WWE for the UFC was worth it. He went there he became UFC heavyweight champion got sick lost the title and never really got back on track lost to Overreem and retired. Lesnar did something nobody else in the WWE could do. Leave the WWE go to the UFC win their heavyweight title to become a Former WWE Champion and Former UFC heavyweight champion. That is why Lesnar is getting pushed over Cena cause of what he has done.
 
Anybody who whines about Cena losing, then mentions that Dolph Ziggler, a dude who by most people not a fuck is given, needs to be champ instead needs to quit watching wrestling. You don't understand the business. It's not about getting internet darlings over, it's about putting on a solid show.
 

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