I read this article on a different site and cant help but wonder why. It doesn't seem like there was anything lewd or vulgar about the signs and he's still a current superstar, so why would the WWE do this? They encourage their superstars to build their characters and market themselves as much as they can, yet when Zack Ryder starts gaining some steam with the fans, they're against it?
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WWE confiscating Zack Ryder signs?
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I read this article on a different site and cant help but wonder why. It doesn't seem like there was anything lewd or vulgar about the signs and he's still a current superstar, so why would the WWE do this? They encourage their superstars to build their characters and market themselves as much as they can, yet when Zack Ryder starts gaining some steam with the fans, they're against it?
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
Because that's not what they want to present. You can call it stupid or good business or whatever, but that's what they've decided. Zach Ryder isn't going to get pushed and that's that. Now granted this is a bit different, but this is similar to what WCW did back in the day when they ignored the pops and responses to guys like the Radicalz. That being said, WWE has done this for years so it's not an uncommon thing to do.
It just doesn't make sense for the WWE to not allow the fans to cheer for whoever they want, as long as that person is a current superstar signed to the company. If they don't want his name in the crowd, then they should stop selling his merch too.Because that's not what they want to present. You can call it stupid or good business or whatever, but that's what they've decided. Zach Ryder isn't going to get pushed and that's that. Now granted this is a bit different, but this is similar to what WCW did back in the day when they ignored the pops and responses to guys like the Radicalz. That being said, WWE has done this for years so it's not an uncommon thing to do.
It just doesn't make sense for the WWE to not allow the fans to cheer for whoever they want, as long as that person is a current superstar signed to the company. If they don't want his name in the crowd, then they should stop selling his merch too.
Yes but Zack Ryder has very little to do with the WWE product at the moment. I love Ryder and would love to see him get some sort of push, but right now that ain't going down. The WWE is a business and they want their top guys names, signs, et cetera to be seen all across arenas. Zack Ryder isn't at that level. Having a bunch of Zack Ryder signs can be seen as bad business as the guy never appears on live television and only appears on Superstars.
I don't have a problem with them confiscating signs as they've been doing it for years now and doesn't effect the product one bit. Sure said fan will be upset that they get he/she sign taken away, but they'll get over it. It happens and really isn't that big of a deal to be honest.
wrestler36
Championship Contender
I agree with punchline. It's counter intuitive. Imagine if WWE confiscated Austin 3:16 signs after he won the King of the Ring. Not saying that Ryder will be the next Stone Cold, but signs reflect what people want to see. People are entertained by Zack Ryder, so WWE should let us get Zacked.
WZMember####
Pre-Show Stalwart
If this is true then for me its one of those things I never understood.
When you go on a forum or read reports from people "in the know" and they always say something like the wrestler didnt want it enough...or the wrestler didnt prove anything to anyone...or the wrestler just didnt have it...etc etc etc
Well, lets see ... Zack Ryder (and Curt too apparently) do promos and junk on Youtube and has followers...Zack Ryder asks his fans to bring signs and they do....and when Zack gets fired from the WWE they will probably claim money reasons as its the popular response these days. But they often say they just simply had nothing for the wrestler.
This guy is using a gimmick given to him and trying to make it better.
When I always hear negtive things about wrestlers who were fired I always think...well what could they had done? What could Paul London had done differently to stay? What could anyone done to stay in the WWE? Must be not much.
When you go on a forum or read reports from people "in the know" and they always say something like the wrestler didnt want it enough...or the wrestler didnt prove anything to anyone...or the wrestler just didnt have it...etc etc etc
Well, lets see ... Zack Ryder (and Curt too apparently) do promos and junk on Youtube and has followers...Zack Ryder asks his fans to bring signs and they do....and when Zack gets fired from the WWE they will probably claim money reasons as its the popular response these days. But they often say they just simply had nothing for the wrestler.
This guy is using a gimmick given to him and trying to make it better.
When I always hear negtive things about wrestlers who were fired I always think...well what could they had done? What could Paul London had done differently to stay? What could anyone done to stay in the WWE? Must be not much.
I'll just chip in here and say that if they were allowing direct references to their competition (TNA) via signs then they should allow the referencing of one of their own superstars. I know Ryder has made his stance kind of clear in his videos in that he takes some shots at the WWE via 'dropping the ball' and 'missing the boat' but if he can get himself over then hopefully they'll take notice but I have to agree that atm Ryder is nothing but a Superstars talent.
I've seen many people say this is just like Jericho in WCW - as he got himself over there. If WWE don't want Ryder to be referenced then one company's loss is another's gain.
I've seen many people say this is just like Jericho in WCW - as he got himself over there. If WWE don't want Ryder to be referenced then one company's loss is another's gain.
American Steamboat
Occasional Pre-Show
Well, I'm going to go against the grain here and say that's complete horse shit. Besides the fact that it is unfair to Ryder, the main problem I have with this is that a paying fan should be able to bring in whatever sign they want as long as it isn't vulgar and doesn't promote personalities from competing companies. I mean come on, WWE wants to create new stars but they'll go to these sort of lengths to stifle a guy's popularity? Doesn't make one bit of sense to me. I know it was a much different situation, but what if WWE had confiscated Austin 3:16 signs before he officially turned face? Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Zack Ryder fan or anything but stuff like this really gets under my skin.
DeadmanFan
Pre-Show Stalwart
Pretty stupid stuff. Don't know why WWE would want to censor support for its own talent.
But they put on the show and you don't have to be there. They can take away signs if they want to, as counter intuitive as it may seem.
But they put on the show and you don't have to be there. They can take away signs if they want to, as counter intuitive as it may seem.
I agree with punchline. It's counter intuitive. Imagine if WWE confiscated Austin 3:16 signs after he won the King of the Ring. Not saying that Ryder will be the next Stone Cold, but signs reflect what people want to see. People are entertained by Zack Ryder, so WWE should let us get Zacked.
That is pushing the envelope big time. Austin was getting a push and that KOTR segment put him on the map and was the start to his rise to superstardom. Zack Ryder isn't even close to that. So the comparison is way off in terms of bringing signs. The WWE would want to see more Austin 3:16 signs as he was in the midst of getting over and was on his way to a push to the top. Zack Ryder is just an enhancement talent at this point and whether we like it or not Ryder isn't getting pushed right now and we have to accept that as we can't do anything about it.
Look I like Zack Ryder and I want to see him used, but right now it ain't happening and with us advertising him the WWE higher ups might see that as a rebel against the product. Ryder is getting himself over and that is fantastic on his part, but until the WWE chooses to do something with him there is no reason to get up in arms over the sign confiscation. Ryder is making it easy for them to start a push for him as he has gotten himself pretty over with his videos and the WWE can slide him right into a program. But right now he ain't in any major programs so there really isn't a need for us to be advertising him all around the audience.
Now that's a way to kill anybody's enthusiasm.
Guy does his best to be noticed (including accepting a gimmick that should've tanked, and would've tanked with any other - ahem - entertainer, but so far hasn't), WWE does everything to shoot him down.
I'd be grateful if he leaves. Nobody treats a man like that like shit.
Guy does his best to be noticed (including accepting a gimmick that should've tanked, and would've tanked with any other - ahem - entertainer, but so far hasn't), WWE does everything to shoot him down.
I'd be grateful if he leaves. Nobody treats a man like that like shit.
The Future Rises
Thinking Of A New Name..
i find it funny how Ryder is more over with the crowd than Del Rio is, seriously Zack Ryder is both Talented and Entertaining, so it makes him the perfect fit in a Company if "sports entertainment" yet WWE doesnt see it for some reason, i hope he gets pushed soon before its too late
RendarSelin
The Cheesehead in Ohio
I've got to give credit to Zack Ryder. The man is doing everything he can to get noticed. However, there's a problem. Outside of the Internet...no one cares. Zack Ryder isn't getting a shot or getting on TV anytime soon...unless it's to be squashed by another talent.
Zack Ryder may be talented, he may be trying his damnedest to get recognized, but just accept it: he's going nowhere in the WWE.
Although, I will say it's rather odd that Vince McMahon was screaming about censorship during Linda McMahon's Senate campaign, then prohibits signs about his Superstars at his shows...
Zack Ryder may be talented, he may be trying his damnedest to get recognized, but just accept it: he's going nowhere in the WWE.
Although, I will say it's rather odd that Vince McMahon was screaming about censorship during Linda McMahon's Senate campaign, then prohibits signs about his Superstars at his shows...
DeadmanFan
Pre-Show Stalwart
That is pushing the envelope big time. Austin was getting a push and that KOTR segment put him on the map and was the start to his rise to superstardom. Zack Ryder isn't even close to that. So the comparison is way off in terms of bringing signs. The WWE would want to see more Austin 3:16 signs as he was in the midst of getting over and was on his way to a push to the top. Zack Ryder is just an enhancement talent at this point and whether we like it or not Ryder isn't getting pushed right now and we have to accept that as we can't do anything about it.
Look I like Zack Ryder and I want to see him used, but right now it ain't happening and with us advertising him the WWE higher ups might see that as a rebel against the product. Ryder is getting himself over and that is fantastic on his part, but until the WWE chooses to do something with him there is no reason to get up in arms over the sign confiscation. Ryder is making it easy for them to start a push for him as he has gotten himself pretty over with his videos and the WWE can slide him right into a program. But right now he ain't in any major programs so there really isn't a need for us to be advertising him all around the audience.
Though I can see why some would get angry with WWE's attempt to basically dictate what they should think. The comparison with Austin is way off though. I think it's stupid but don't have a problem with it due to my respect for private property- that's really all there is to it.
Write Jim Ross' website and ask him. He most of all touts that the performers need to take advantage of whatever time is given to them and all that jazz. I like Zack Ryder but understand his place on the card. You have to have people who job out... that is nothing new in decades of wrestling. However i do believe confiscating the signs is a bit much, as I'd assume there aren't that many really. Write J.R. and see if you can get some kind of response. Just be objective and professional in your question if you expect a response.
...but thats just one mans opinion -Tdub
...but thats just one mans opinion -Tdub
I think WWE kind of has no idea how to communicate with their audience. Or maybe it's just that their audience is so diverse that there's no way to please everyone. For example, after Daniel Bryan was fired, he gained this almost cult status, remember? Daniel Bryan chants going on during matches, Daniel Bryan sign confiscations, I think. Then he comes back and starts a really goofy storyline with the Bella Twins. That's NOT what people were looking for.
This is another example of WWE just not "getting" their fans, I think. People are connecting with Ryder, for whatever reason--why not run with it?? If one of your employees is going the extra mile for you, at the very least you could let it run its course; don't even change the planned programming; just don't try to deliberately stop it.
This is another example of WWE just not "getting" their fans, I think. People are connecting with Ryder, for whatever reason--why not run with it?? If one of your employees is going the extra mile for you, at the very least you could let it run its course; don't even change the planned programming; just don't try to deliberately stop it.
shooter_mcgavin
Mid-Card Championship Winner
Though I can see why some would get angry with WWE's attempt to basically dictate what they should think. The comparison with Austin is way off though. I think it's stupid but don't have a problem with it due to my respect for private property- that's really all there is to it.
Well one argument can be made that the WWE wanted Austin to be a mega heel at the time. Which means if the WWE were to control the crowd reaction they would have canned nothing but Boo's and confiscate any pro-Austin signs.
The WWE has been doing this recently with them confiscating Anti-Cena signs, canning The Miz with Boo's, and so forth. It's really sad how low the company has gone to dictate their product as opposed to fans. It wasn't too long ago (1997) that Vince McMahon as an annoucner would say he appreciates the freedom of expression from the fans. I guess now he has monopoly over the industry he going to turn his back on that. I maybe going overboard but for company and industry that thrives the crowd, this is quite sad.
That's the main problem i have with this. Not that they're choosing not to push Zack Ryder, but that they're actively trying to stifle his fan base and keep them quiet. It's just plain stupid to not allow paying fans to cheer and support their favorite superstars, whether it be for guys like John Cena and Randy Orton or guys like Zack Ryder and Trent Baretta.This is another example of WWE just not "getting" their fans, I think. People are connecting with Ryder, for whatever reason--why not run with it?? If one of your employees is going the extra mile for you, at the very least you could let it run its course; don't even change the planned programming; just don't try to deliberately stop it.
hardcore4life_is-KoOl
Registerd assassin
i pretty much agree with '"klunderbunke'' i personaly think Ryder deserves a push to upper mid card he dosn,t seem like a main eventer to me.
1. Zack Ryder is too far down on the card for a sign. Then he should be too far down for a freaking T-shirt or action figures!
2. Zack had an unique look. That despite the performer would have tanked with someone else. WW changed his look. First he was a generic tag team. Then he was on a tag team as a pseudo edge. Then they give him his current character on (I believe) the dirt sheet, as the Woo woo woo guy. then he started wearing that head band, and started wearing the long leg and trunk combo. Also, WWE changed it to wearing trunks, just like most superstars on their roster.
3. Zack has talent. He is great on the mic. Tried to get over, is doing everything to get over. Just like the WWE wants.
4. As someone said earlier, this is WWE's fault. We will see next week when the draft happens, if he goes to SD! He would be safe, if not come Friday he will be fired.
5. Vince needs to let it go, and retire. He is senile right now, and if he goes soon we can see the likes of Bourne and Ryder get pushed, people his daughter and son-in-law like. Not guys made from the roided out muscle bound mold Vince gets hard over.
2. Zack had an unique look. That despite the performer would have tanked with someone else. WW changed his look. First he was a generic tag team. Then he was on a tag team as a pseudo edge. Then they give him his current character on (I believe) the dirt sheet, as the Woo woo woo guy. then he started wearing that head band, and started wearing the long leg and trunk combo. Also, WWE changed it to wearing trunks, just like most superstars on their roster.
3. Zack has talent. He is great on the mic. Tried to get over, is doing everything to get over. Just like the WWE wants.
4. As someone said earlier, this is WWE's fault. We will see next week when the draft happens, if he goes to SD! He would be safe, if not come Friday he will be fired.
5. Vince needs to let it go, and retire. He is senile right now, and if he goes soon we can see the likes of Bourne and Ryder get pushed, people his daughter and son-in-law like. Not guys made from the roided out muscle bound mold Vince gets hard over.
this just shows once again wwe doesnt give 2 shits about fans, and their egos are way too big to run a company, just because they didnt tell the fans to like somebody doesnt mean the fans are not allowed to, so stupid.
But you know this is the same company that ignores cena boos, its the same company ignoring over 70k views on ryders video, the man is trying to get over, the man has charisma and has worked a shitty characters and made people like him.
Way to destroy somebody's self esteem wwe, you wonder why ppl hate u when theyre gone and talk shit because they didnt get to work out with triple h for a push!
i for one dont watch soap operas so couldnt care less, but i am a fan of ryders videos and thought was cool that he went out and found himself another outlet since his own job wont give him a chance.
But you know this is the same company that ignores cena boos, its the same company ignoring over 70k views on ryders video, the man is trying to get over, the man has charisma and has worked a shitty characters and made people like him.
Way to destroy somebody's self esteem wwe, you wonder why ppl hate u when theyre gone and talk shit because they didnt get to work out with triple h for a push!
i for one dont watch soap operas so couldnt care less, but i am a fan of ryders videos and thought was cool that he went out and found himself another outlet since his own job wont give him a chance.
I was pretty sure he was doomed when he showed that clip of HHH talking about him on his youtube show, sadly. What's funny is WWE acts like the crowd doesn't care for him, he's only popular on the internet, but on the match he had against Khali on superstars, he was getting more of a reaction than some of the Raw matches did.
I mean, if it's still available, watch it. It's not a great match, by any means, but it's funny because at one point, it's like he's the Anti-Cena. The grown man voices are chanting "Let's go Ryder" and the kids are chanting "Ryder sucks!"
I mean, he's getting a reaction from live audiences, what else could WWE want, unless his youtube videos have started to piss someone higher up off.
I mean, if it's still available, watch it. It's not a great match, by any means, but it's funny because at one point, it's like he's the Anti-Cena. The grown man voices are chanting "Let's go Ryder" and the kids are chanting "Ryder sucks!"
I mean, he's getting a reaction from live audiences, what else could WWE want, unless his youtube videos have started to piss someone higher up off.
mitchflossin
Dark Match Winner
I never really followed the guy or knew much about him up until a couple of months ago.. but he seems legit. Definitely an interesting person to listen to. His last installment on youtube with his dad and John Morrison was hilarious. not to mention him going ape when Cena ran by his camera. The dude is funny... don't see what the harm in giving the dude a shot. Seems like he has a lot of heart.
I was pretty sure he was doomed when he showed that clip of HHH talking about him on his youtube show, sadly. What's funny is WWE acts like the crowd doesn't care for him, he's only popular on the internet, but on the match he had against Khali on superstars, he was getting more of a reaction than some of the Raw matches did.
I mean, if it's still available, watch it. It's not a great match, by any means, but it's funny because at one point, it's like he's the Anti-Cena. The grown man voices are chanting "Let's go Ryder" and the kids are chanting "Ryder sucks!"
I mean, he's getting a reaction from live audiences, what else could WWE want, unless his youtube videos have started to piss someone higher up off.
Why would the WWE be pissed off if he goes the extra mile and makes YouTube vids? That's doubletalk of the grossiest degree: WWE says it rewards loyalty and dedication, Zack does that and more, WWE kicks his can.
im not a zach ryder fan but man this guy has been handed some real shit to work with and he always seems to do his best as far as i can see. and he is working his ass off trying to generate a fan base while 97% of the rest of the roster is just waiting for something to happen. i think austin just taught that lesson to some kids on tough enough recently about waiting or seizing your time...if zach gets fired that is BS.
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