WWE Christmas

[Little Jerry Lawler]

I haven't watched the show but I read KB's review. My question is, "Why the hell are so many people complaining?" This wasn't going to be a serious show. Sometimes you got to have fun and that's what this episode of Raw was. They still have plenty of time to build up the Rumble so this was a throwaway show.

 

[MasterHavik]

The only thing good about that RAW was the song. It was actually funny. But man...the matches were ass...and yes no heel can win. The Big show gotta job. Barret and Cessaro gotta job. look, I don't ride the heels' dick, but man not all of the faces are cool either. I prefer faces over heels btw. But I gotta say the wrestling was not good. Sandow vs. Bryan was the best match. Silence! No! Silence! Silence No! So fucking godlike. They kind made the wrong guys lay down. I will say the guys you don't see often got some TV time.(Kidd and etc.).

 

[lil bitch Kid]

People, people, people...anyone who even claims to be a wrestling fan knows a few things about pre-taped shows these days:

1) If it's a pretape from overseas we know we're going to either get a shock value title change if it's a first time taping in a place, or we are going to get at least one really long, solid in ring match if it's in a country they've taped multiple times. This year, they did change it up a bit and gave us a lot of in ring action in Australia...
2) If they are pre-taping for a holiday, usually only Xmas and New Years, we are not getting a serious show.

Now, this past week we got the Xmas eve pre-taped edition of Raw, and we got exactly what any true wrestling fan should expect: ring action, virtually no progress to stories and some holiday cheer thrown in.

There was one thing and one thing alone that bothered me about the show and it was the ominous music or silence when they hyped the update on Santa. That was pretty over the top to me.

As far as the show, there were things that actually made sense which made me happy:
-Del Rio hits Santa, so the face of the company is the guy he has to face. It didn't help Del Rio's face turn any, but there won't be a mention of that match after this week, I would assume. It was a decently worked comedy match. I would have liked it if they had kept some time going where Del Rio handed out gifts with Cena and Santa to progress the face turn a bit after the step back. Personally, I think that they should have run it that Del Rio, as an Xmas gift, let Ricardo drive the car and he hit Santa, and then Del Rio is held responsible and has to face Cena. Then, all the spots with the fake gifts would have helped gain sympathy with Del Rio. At that point, Del Rio loses and hands out the gifts with Foley and Cena.
-During the Lumberjack match, the lumberjacks got into it, so later, they had a 10 man match. You see, stuff like this makes sense and is missing far too often.
- They showed progress in the Dolph and AJ story without putting their insanity in the forefront.
-Punk's promo and Ryback coming out all made sense. Punk gave his promo, Ryback came out and further 'ruined' Christmas and Hannukah (Which, I love the fact that it had ended 10 days earlier, but that wasn't mentioned). On a side note, did his shist say 25/8 366? If so, that with the front saying 'Knees to faces' is a great shot at the Rock.

All in all, exactly what should have been expected from the show.

 

[SacredMesa]

...and you call yourself a wrestling fan

Because everyone that has ever watched wrestling had to start with Hogan amirite.

Really so you found the Ministry of Darkness, Mae Young giving birth to a hand, Val Venis getting his dick chopped off, or that they had vampires running around believable?

Did I find it believable that people would dress up as Vampires and run around imitating them? Considering there is an entire culture/counter culture of people in this world that actually believe and buy into that yes I can easily say that is believable.

I also never said the attitude era was perfect, I said the stories made more sense. If you take for example The Rock vs Mankind, you had the Rock who at the time was the corperate champ the guy hand picked by the company to be the man, everyone has this type of person at their job. Then there was Mankind the eccentric that was damn good at what he did but people really didn't understand, again everyone has a person like this at their job. You had Stone Cold the guy who was so over and so important to the company they couldn't get rid of him pretty much no matter what he did, again everyone has this type of person where they work.

I could go on with how attitude era characters made sense, and you could potentially point out a few that don't. Let's look at a few PG era ones.

Del Rio and Sheamus I already called out so let's go to Cena.
First off WTF is he at this point? A rapper turned Marine turned Barnie the Dinosaur. Zero continuity or reasonable development in such a character and no matter what happens the character just stagnates it doesn't evolve and change as the world around him changes. People don't live like that, you don't have someone come into your house, slap your dag, or punt him in the head at your place of work and remain the same guy you've always been. Crap like that changes a person, but Cena nothing he shows a little anger and then nothing it doesn't make sense never has never will and I have yet to find a single child that actually buys into it.

Prime Time Players, they are suppose to be, in their minds, headliners the guys on at "prime time" who make the show. What do they do to actually sell this? They put their arms around each others and do a silly dance in the ring. Zero character development on these two guys, nothing to sell the whole "prime time" angle, although this could be argued that they haven't been given a chance since losing their manager. Either way it's still a lifeless character that does nothing. If the prime time angle is going to be a cocky exaggeration they can't live up to that's fine it needs to be sold that way right now they are just a dead lifeless tag team who really means nothing.

Big Show, this guy is suppose to be a monster and a giant. What does he do to put this over? He has a knock out punch...that's it. They should be show casing his power put him in lumberjack matches and let him power off a bunch of guys like Mark Henry did, let him come to the ring and clear out a host of people when all hell breaks loose, I mean really anything to showcase him as the monster he is suppose to be. If you take by comparison Kane when he first debuted as a monster he was damn near unstoppable and ran over everyone, including his brother the undertaker. It's fine to bring people down but when they are in the middle of their run like Big Show is he should appear as that monster right now he simply doesn't.

Do I really need to continue? WWE is littered with examples of characters not making sense, not having their characters being showcased in a manor that makes sense. It's like they are all just sitting back waiting for shit to happen instead of going out and using any means available to them to get shit done. This makes no sense and really devalues the product.

But they're going to run over Stone Cold, Ken Shamrock, trap Triple H in a car lift him up with a giant forklift & drop him on his head, or beat the holy hell out of Rock, lock him in an ambulance & crash a Semi truck into it? yeah right, sounds like shit normal people would do to me

We live in a world where not to long ago a man walked into an elementary school and killed 26 children and teachers and you really want to tell me running over a grown adult or trying to physically end their careers in the middle of a personal fued or for personal gain is unbelievable? Really?

I'm 32 yrs. old, & found to hilarious, then again I was expecting nothing more than some stupid light fun from a holiday episode of RAW because I'm not a fucking idiot.

Light and fun is one thing. Hell fat oily guy is light and fun, and makes sense as you could easily see someone wanting to humiliate someone they dislike in such a way. A full grown adult trying to sell running over a mythical and magical holiday figure capable of traveling the planet in a single day but unable to avoid a simple car isn't light and fun it's just stupid. I have no problem against Santa bits in wrestling, I've found a number of them comical at times, this wasn't that it was just stupid and the over the top acting around it by the performers also reflected the stupidity of it.

I was not aware your 7 & 5 yr. old nephews spoke for ever child in the world.



It wasn't, it was just some good light entertaining fun.

They don't I used them to provide example that there are children, and really they are not the first, who find this crap stupid even for their standards. When 5-7 year olds who can find Thomas the Train reasonable think that your wrestling product is to silly and stupid to watch there is a serious problem.

It wasn't "good light entertaining fun." That would of been like the tribute to the troops a few years back when Santa came through the crowd giving our presents just for Stone Cold to uncover it was someone else "impersonating" Santa and giving him a stunner. That was good light entertaining fun. An entire locker room of full grown adults acting like Del Rio just ran over Santa was corny and foolish at best, completely stupid at worst, and it was damn close to it's worst.

You must absolutely despise like every Christmas movie ever made

No if you take for example The Christmas Carol, it makes sense in the context of a world and has a relatable story, guy who feels money is all that is important realizes how much it has and will continue to ruin his life and changes his ways. It's simple and reasonable and can really be adapted for all ages depending on how serious or exaggerated you decide to make it.

Last mondays Santa fiasco wasn't even close to that.

He is, he's just doing it as a face now. Do you even watch

Really? No non-sense eh? So his what only can be described as "pranking" of Big Show leading up to their title match that he would lose was considered "no non-sense?" His joking about Daniel Bryan's "18 second title loss" is considered "no non-sense?"

You don't have a clue what no non-sense is do you? When he first came in he was like that. He didn't give a damn who you where, what you did or anything beyond beating the shit out of you. If you want to do that as a face go ahead but that isn't what he is doing now.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Some of you must lead some truly miserable lives.


Dude, it was ONE TAPED EPISODE on CHRISTMAS FUCKING EVE.

Who gives a shit? It was good old fashioned corball fun, and STILL managed to plug all of the major feuds going on. It starts at EIGHT and was on Xmas eve, obviously this is prime programming for families who are fans. Sorry there werent enough of people getting their dicks chopped off or frigthened girls being sacrificed to Satan for all of you angsty pimple faced losers who probably haven't touched a pussy since you passed through your mother's.

Those are the only types who I could imagien not just complaining, but being outraged about ONE EPISODE ON CHRISTMAS EVE. Go to a club and see an actual in real liife female titty or something. Pathetic fucks.

 

[klunderbunker]

FREAKING SWEET! Wrestlemania 30 with Rock vs. Lesnar and Cena vs. Undertaker is going to be held at Alumni Gym here in Lexington! Dang I hope I can get one of the 500 seats the place holds!

*the logic fairy taps KB on the shoulder and whispers in his ear*

Oh really? That would be the dumbest idea ever? Maximizing your audience and making sure people can see it? Why would you want to do that?

In short, what in the freaking world were you expecting WWE to do? It was CHRISTMAS EVE, as in the one night where kids actually want to go to bed at like 7pm. Adults are busy getting presents ready, out at parties, or getting to bed early because their kids are going to be awake at like 5am. Therefore, no one was going to be watching, so why waste big angles and matches on shows like this? Why do you think the Royal Rumble isn't held on Super Bowl Sunday?

Oh and the show wasn't that bad. You had Cena fighting to save Christmas from a corrupt millionaire. If THAT doesn't get people to cheer him, nothing will. Have some fun for a change. I hated that there was a show on Christmas Eve, but it was pretty entertaining if you turned off your brain and had some Christmas spirit.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

FREAKING SWEET! Wrestlemania 30 with Rock vs. Lesnar and Cena vs. Undertaker is going to be held at Alumni Gym here in Lexington! Dang I hope I can get one of the 500 seats the place holds!

*the logic fairy taps KB on the shoulder and whispers in his ear*

Oh really? That would be the dumbest idea ever? Maximizing your audience and making sure people can see it? Why would you want to do that?

In short, what in the freaking world were you expecting WWE to do? It was CHRISTMAS EVE, as in the one night where kids actually want to go to bed at like 7pm. Adults are busy getting presents ready, out at parties, or getting to bed early because their kids are going to be awake at like 5am. Therefore, no one was going to be watching, so why waste big angles and matches on shows like this? Why do you think the Royal Rumble isn't held on Super Bowl Sunday?

Oh and the show wasn't that bad. You had Cena fighting to save Christmas from a corrupt millionaire. If THAT doesn't get people to cheer him, nothing will. Have some fun for a change. I hated that there was a show on Christmas Eve, but it was pretty entertaining if you turned off your brain and had some Christmas spirit.

Its really in the same vein as the yearly Christmas specials they show, which, much like the WWE, are intended for children, and are simply a fun, warm thing to relax and watch.

I wish they would have had segments with little claymation WWE peoples and everything.

 

[klunderbunker]

Its really in the same vein as the yearly Christmas specials they show, which, much like the WWE, are intended for children, and are simply a fun, warm thing to relax and watch.

I wish they would have had segments with little claymation WWE peoples and everything.

That's true also. More than anything else, this show felt fun. Instead of having power struggles and affairs and hidden videos and conspiracies all being treated like the fate of the human race hung in the balance, we had a goofy fun show that was almost cartoon like. That's the kind of wrestling I grew up with and it felt nice to not have to take everything 150% serious all night.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

The fact that Raw fell on Christmas Eve this year pretty much dictated a Christmas themed show. Because of the holiday, Vince expected it to be the least watched Raw of the year and it was. The Christmas Eve Raw drew an average of 3.143 million viewers. A TON of viewers were watching Christmas specials like It's A Wonderful Life. The 8 to 10 pm hour of TBS's 24 Hours of A Christmas Story drew nearly 5 million viewers.

There were no major happenings on Raw this past Monday because they knew the rating would be horrible. If you're not a small handful of Christmas movies or specials, you're not drawing well on Christmas Eve. So, Raw was mostly a throwaway show and was mostly harmless fun.

After all, if they'd loaded the show with tons of content on continuing the top storylines and all that, it would've felt like a waste. As I said, WWE knew that the ratings would tank on Christmas Eve so they decided to have a little harmless fun with it. In all honesty, I didn't think the show was bad. It was FAR better than I expected.

 

[JohnJohnson]

I want to start with the fact that I didn't mind this Raw. I thought the Santa angle was pretty over the top, although it was cool seeing at the end of the show that it was Mick Foley. I didn't think the Raw was too horrible though. I didn't have high expectations for it due to the date and the fact that it was taped. I still think they could have done a much better job while still keeping it light. I've seen past Christmas episode that were actually pretty damn good. I liked the one where HBK introduced test to the corporation(I think I have the right day.)

Here is what I find aggravating and pretty funny at the same time. The only way any product can really improve is through feedback. That's a given. Any product needs both positive and negative feedback. I just find it funny that on a site like this, where people give feedback, people get their panties in such a bunch when ever someone says something negative. Maybe some people thought it was too corny or just downright ridiculous. That's their opinion and they have the right to that. How does that make them an idiot or warrant any reason for them to be cussed out? What makes your opinion so right? i find it ironic that whenever PG versus attitude type arguments arise, it's always the PG supporters that get so vulgar. I don't see a reason to attack someone for liking one style of entertainment versus the other. I also don't see a reason to never watch the show again based on an openning segment either, but I wouldn't cuss at someone for it as if they were ruining my time with the show. Another thing that really seems funny as hell and a little back asswards to me is the notion that people who don't like goofy Santa Clause related segments taking up a large portion of a wrestling program are virgins with no lives. That is crazy on so many levels. First of all, how is the guy who is not interested in this over the top Santa hospital story the guy who doesn't get the girl versus the guy who is happily entertained by said story? How is it that anyone who thinks that a fairytale creature getting hurt in a car accident has to have a bunch of pimples? Then on top of all that, how is it that the advocates of the PG, child friendly, good, wholesome, light-hearted, family fun would also be the ones to insinuate that not having engaged in sexual activity is a bad thing?

Lol and lastly it seems that any PG era supporter views a timeline of the attitude era as such:

austin stuns mcmahon--->Mark Henry almost sleeps with transvestite---->Old woman births a hand(that is just light fun)--->guy gets pernis cut off---->girl gets sacrificed to devil---->Austin wins back title--->Invasion.

So much stuff happened in those times and the few completely over the top moments are the only ones people focus on? I'd suggest going back and watching 98-2000 episode by episode and not be intrigued even after knowing the outcomes lol.

Anyways, all in all, not a bad episode but not a good one either. Does not merit all the hateful comments to one another. I though this forum was to discuss wrestling and not to discuss the fans and their perceived personal lives.

 

[d_henderson1810]

The fact that Raw fell on Christmas Eve this year pretty much dictated a Christmas themed show. Because of the holiday, Vince expected it to be the least watched Raw of the year and it was. The Christmas Eve Raw drew an average of 3.143 million viewers. A TON of viewers were watching Christmas specials like It's A Wonderful Life. The 8 to 10 pm hour of TBS's 24 Hours of A Christmas Story drew nearly 5 million viewers.

There were no major happenings on Raw this past Monday because they knew the rating would be horrible. If you're not a small handful of Christmas movies or specials, you're not drawing well on Christmas Eve. So, Raw was mostly a throwaway show and was mostly harmless fun.

After all, if they'd loaded the show with tons of content on continuing the top storylines and all that, it would've felt like a waste. As I said, WWE knew that the ratings would tank on Christmas Eve so they decided to have a little harmless fun with it. In all honesty, I didn't think the show was bad. It was FAR better than I expected.

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I do think though, that this brings up another issue. Personally, I don't think that they should have had "Raw" at all this week.

"Raw" does not need to be on 52 weeks a year. If Vince thought it would be the lowest rating for the year, he could have just given the talent a week off for Christmas, and done a clip show (e.g. "Best Matches of 2012", or something).

Every other sport, job and TV show has an "off-season". Why doesn't WWE? Would it kill them to not have "Raw" for a week or two?

My ideal setup would be to have "Raw" and "Smackdown", the night after TLC.

The next week, show "Tribute To The Troops" (which is pre-recorded, allowing the talent time off)

The next week, a highlights show/"Year In Review" show.

A week or two break.

This would allow three weeks build-up to the "Royal Rumble", and the talent could come back refreshed and ready to go.

The more the wrestlers perform, the more chance of fatigue and injury. Time off will on do them the world of good.

Besides, do people really want to go to, watch, or perform the night before Christmas. A lot of people have their celebrations Christmas Eve. Why should WWE superstars and Divas have to perform on Christmas Eve, and then have to spend Christmas morning flying home. Give them the week off instead. They've earned it!

 

[Slyfox696]

Here is what I find aggravating and pretty funny at the same time. The only way any product can really improve is through feedback. That's a given. Any product needs both positive and negative feedback. I just find it funny that on a site like this, where people give feedback, people get their panties in such a bunch when ever someone says something negative. Maybe some people thought it was too corny or just downright ridiculous. That's their opinion and they have the right to that. How does that make them an idiot or warrant any reason for them to be cussed out?

Because it's a stupid opinion?

I understand what you're saying completely, but I've been posting on wrestling boards for 7 and a half years, and it's almost guaranteed that if the WWE does a feel good show, particularly one for children, a bunch of pimply faced teens will trash the show, saying how awful it is that pro wrestling dared to have a show which was primarily for the children. And that's just silly for them to do, because when they were children, the show was targeted to them.

These little kids who criticize the PG rating need to learn to grow up, and it's only through corrective measures they will. So when they post how awful it is a wrestling episode didn't feature the fuck word every other sentence and we didn't see "puppies", it's our job as the older posters to teach them that not everything has to be sex and violence, that it's okay to have feel light-hearted feel good moments as well.

What makes your opinion so right? i find it ironic that whenever PG versus attitude type arguments arise, it's always the PG supporters that get so vulgar.

That's because the Attitude Era was mostly shit. The in-ring wrestling was entirely forgettable, and outside of Austin and Rock, the Attitude Era was pretty ridiculous. These hormonal teenagers, however, seem to only remember the exciting parts, and forget the trash that accompanied the Attitude Era.

Another thing that really seems funny as hell and a little back asswards to me is the notion that people who don't like goofy Santa Clause related segments taking up a large portion of a wrestling program are virgins with no lives. That is crazy on so many levels. First of all, how is the guy who is not interested in this over the top Santa hospital story the guy who doesn't get the girl versus the guy who is happily entertained by said story? How is it that anyone who thinks that a fairytale creature getting hurt in a car accident has to have a bunch of pimples? Then on top of all that, how is it that the advocates of the PG, child friendly, good, wholesome, light-hearted, family fun would also be the ones to insinuate that not having engaged in sexual activity is a bad thing?

For the reasons I mentioned above. This is hardly a new thing on message boards, this is a recurring theme, almost weekly it seems. Not to mention these kids criticize elementary aged children, completely not understanding that to people like us, they are just kids as well.

The hypocrisy and silliness needs to be pointed out, and we try to do it the most effective way possible.

Lol and lastly it seems that any PG era supporter views a timeline of the attitude era as such:

austin stuns mcmahon--->Mark Henry almost sleeps with transvestite---->Old woman births a hand(that is just light fun)--->guy gets pernis cut off---->girl gets sacrificed to devil---->Austin wins back title--->Invasion.

Not at all. Most PG supporters were Attitude fans as well, the difference is that we recognize the Attitude Timeline DIDN'T go like this.

Austin KOR speech -> Austin flips the bird -> Rock mentions poontang pie -> Foley thrown off the Cell -> Sable gets naked -> Austin beer bath -> Invasion

We're just trying to show that, just like any era, there was good and bad, and quite frankly there was a LOT of bad in the Attitude Era, to go along with the tremendously high quality levels of good.

"Raw" does not need to be on 52 weeks a year. If Vince thought it would be the lowest rating for the year, he could have just given the talent a week off for Christmas, and done a clip show (e.g. "Best Matches of 2012", or something).

The show was taped the week before Christmas.

Every other sport, job and TV show has an "off-season". Why doesn't WWE? Would it kill them to not have "Raw" for a week or two?

Yes, it would. Raw is a storyline driven show and taking time off gives people a chance to browse other television shows to see what might interest more. The WWE needs to keep the show on to maintain their audience. Taking time off will not help ratings, it will only hurt ratings. And if they were to lose their flagship wrestling show, it would be a HUGE blow to business.

 

[I'mTheJanetty13]

WWE putting on a feel-good Christmas show has become a tradition. It's going to happen. Why get upset? Next thing we'll complain that every face doesn't get beaten down on the Tribute to the Troops show. Or are we already doing that?

 

[Why Always Me]

The singing at the start and all the Santa stuff was stupid.

I am not going to boycott the WWE as a result of it, but it was cheesy.

Some people are saying it was Christmas and people should lighten up, that's their choice. I didn't get angry over it, but it turned me off me show, I only caught up with what happened by half watching a replay of it.

 

[Why Always Me]

Because it's a stupid opinion?

I understand what you're saying completely, but I've been posting on wrestling boards for 7 and a half years, and it's almost guaranteed that if the WWE does a feel good show, particularly one for children, a bunch of pimply faced teens will trash the show, saying how awful it is that pro wrestling dared to have a show which was primarily for the children. And that's just silly for them to do, because when they were children, the show was targeted to them.

I'm 29 and I thought the show was cheesy, when I was a pimply faced teen it was just when the Attitude Era started and I loved it.

These little kids who criticize the PG rating need to learn to grow up, and it's only through corrective measures they will. So when they post how awful it is a wrestling episode didn't feature the fuck word every other sentence and we didn't see "puppies", it's our job as the older posters to teach them that not everything has to be sex and violence, that it's okay to have feel light-hearted feel good moments as well.

I don’t want the trashy style of tv all the time, but at the same time I don’t want to see cheesy, corny television. Seeing all the WWE superstars on stage singing together when they are portrayed as hating each other just to sing a song that wasn’t even funny is pointless.

That's because the Attitude Era was mostly shit. The in-ring wrestling was entirely forgettable, and outside of Austin and Rock, the Attitude Era was pretty ridiculous. These hormonal teenagers, however, seem to only remember the exciting parts, and forget the trash that accompanied the Attitude Era.

Agreed to an extent, take out Rock, Austin, Mankind, DX and the trashy stuff and it wasn't brilliant, yet people STILL say it's better than today's product, including me. Doesn't mean we are in the wrong to say that or that we deserve sarcastic put downs. Today’s product at times feels too manufactured, too cheesy (becoming my favourite word) and at times just silly in general.

The hypocrisy and silliness needs to be pointed out, and we try to do it the most effective way possible.

Aren’t people just entitled to their opinion? Your opinion isn't right, neither is mine, neither is anybody elses.

Not at all. Most PG supporters were Attitude fans as well, the difference is that we recognize the Attitude Timeline DIDN'T go like this.

Austin KOR speech -> Austin flips the bird -> Rock mentions poontang pie -> Foley thrown off the Cell -> Sable gets naked -> Austin beer bath -> Invasion

What’s wrong if these are the main things people remember? It's better than remembering an era for stuff like Cena spraying JBL is poopy on his limo, cheesy singing on stage, Hornswoggle being the last Cruiserweight champion or Natalya having a gimmick where she breaks winds.

 

[Wolowitz]

In my opinion the show sucked. Had spent half the day trying to convince my friends that wrestling isn't as silly as they think it is. Kept telling them they just need to watch a whole show and try to get interested the stories. This backfired massively when we switched on the Christmas eve Raw to see fully grown men singing wrestling carols on the stage.

I'm not going to stop watching because of a Christmas special. I understand why they did it. But it was too over the top. I doubt the episode gained any new viewers. But it definitely lost some potential ones.

 

[SacredMesa]

I find it funny people still don't get that there is a difference between a light hearted Christmas show and corny cheesy supidity, what even blows my mind more is how the same RAW show provided a perfect example of both.

Perfect example of a feel good Christmas syle show?
Dolph Ziggler with AJ giving him the MiTB briefcase, then removing the robe and showing his shirt, switching to see her read a parody of The Night Before Christmas until they end with a kiss under the mistle toe. It was funny light hearted fit the character perfectly without going overboard into cheesy stupidity.

Perfect example of cheesy stupidity?
ADR running over Santa with a car only to have damn near an entire locker room outside of where he is being tended to with doctors act like it's a horrific event that has killed Christmas and that Cena must defeated ADR "FOR SANTA!!!!"
It's way over the top, massively out of character for so many and in the end just stupid. I could say the same thing for the singing as well.

Sadly people will never understand that you can have a light hearted Christmas show that is entertaining for all ages without having to go into the completely corny cheesy garbage, which was exactly what the Christmas RAW was.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

I find it funny people still don't get that there is a difference between a light hearted Christmas show and corny cheesy supidity, what even blows my mind more is how the same RAW show provided a perfect example of both.

Perfect example of a feel good Christmas syle show?
Dolph Ziggler with AJ giving him the MiTB briefcase, then removing the robe and showing his shirt, switching to see her read a parody of The Night Before Christmas until they end with a kiss under the mistle toe. It was funny light hearted fit the character perfectly without going overboard into cheesy stupidity.

Perfect example of cheesy stupidity?
ADR running over Santa with a car only to have damn near an entire locker room outside of where he is being tended to with doctors act like it's a horrific event that has killed Christmas and that Cena must defeated ADR "FOR SANTA!!!!"
It's way over the top, massively out of character for so many and in the end just stupid. I could say the same thing for the singing as well.

Sadly people will never understand that you can have a light hearted Christmas show that is entertaining for all ages without having to go into the completely corny cheesy garbage, which was exactly what the Christmas RAW was.

People also never understand that this is art. Art is judged by opinion. That was your opinion. I enjoyed both. I don't take myself too seriously. I thought the Santa thing was hilarious because of how ridiculous it was. Like Mae Young birthing a hand...or a midget.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

In my opinion the show sucked. Had spent half the day trying to convince my friends that wrestling isn't as silly as they think it is. Kept telling them they just need to watch a whole show and try to get interested the stories. This backfired massively when we switched on the Christmas eve Raw to see fully grown men singing wrestling carols on the stage.

I'm not going to stop watching because of a Christmas special. I understand why they did it. But it was too over the top. I doubt the episode gained any new viewers. But it definitely lost some potential ones.

Maybe convince your friends that wrestling is supposed to be an entertainment variety show that can have something light hearted and goofy during the fucking light hearted and goofy Christmas season (a fat man flying around the world on a sleigh pulled by deer, one with a glowing nose, come on) and can be as intense as HHH/Taker HIAC. Your friends can choke on a dick. I guarantee something they like has less entertainment "range" than pro wrestling.

 

[SacredMesa]

Maybe convince your friends that wrestling is supposed to be an entertainment variety show that can have something light hearted and goofy during the fucking light hearted and goofy Christmas season (a fat man flying around the world on a sleigh pulled by deer, one with a glowing nose, come on) and can be as intense as HHH/Taker HIAC. Your friends can choke on a dick. I guarantee something they like has less entertainment "range" than pro wrestling.

I find it funny at just how pissed you are getting because a large number of people are turned off by a show that has grown men and women fighting and acting like they hate each other, decides to have all those men and women sing together and have a stupid Santa gets run over skit.

Tell me something if the SAW series released a movie on Christmas that had Jigsaw run over santa only to have Hoffman step up and fight him about it like it was life or death, and then have a sing along with him, would you be defending that to? No you would because it's a rediculious and stupid story that has no purpose in that kind of product. The same can be said for RAW.

 

[Brahma_Bull9]

It was not "just a Christmas show" it was actually on Christmas. The IWC always talks about getting rid of "PG", they hit Santa with a car, the IWC complains. WWE can't win. THey had some fun on their Christmas Eve Show, so what. All faces won matches, it was a feel good show and it is what it should have been. Maybe if you would sit back and just watch the show and not try to analyze all of it, you may actually like it. You don't like it, stop watching or at least stop complaining

This sentence is one of the dumbest things I have read on here. Hitting Santa is not even close to an attitude era angle, it is nothing more than another mere PG angle. And like the thread starter, I don't disagree with it completely, but too many scenes on it.

 

[Brahma_Bull9]

Maybe convince your friends that wrestling is supposed to be an entertainment variety show that can have something light hearted and goofy during the fucking light hearted and goofy Christmas season (a fat man flying around the world on a sleigh pulled by deer, one with a glowing nose, come on) and can be as intense as HHH/Taker HIAC. Your friends can choke on a dick. I guarantee something they like has less entertainment "range" than pro wrestling.

Unless they like Soap Opera's, even if what they prefer has less entertainment "range" which I don't think is their issue with it, I doubt their entertainment preferences (I guess Maury and shows like that are on this level too) use personnel with about the same degree of talent as porn stars. Some are better, but for the most part, none of these guys has more talent than porn stars.