No, you don't understand. The ending was so stupid that I won't be tuning in next week to see what happens. You can plant "seeds" all day long, but if they are shitty seeds it aint going to be a pretty flower.
WTF? TNA just pulled a remake of the Montreal screw job!
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No, you don't understand. The ending was so stupid that I won't be tuning in next week to see what happens. You can plant "seeds" all day long, but if they are shitty seeds it aint going to be a pretty flower.
The part that makes it so bad it was an exact copy all the way down to the ref Earl Hebner. Reversal as soon as the move is on the bell rings and ref splits. Man in charge on scene and is spat on by the one screwed. And as far as montreal it was not needed then either cause Vince sent Bret to Tunner as a joke and when they realized that with the money that could be made they agreed to have Bret go. Bret was suppost to win on that night but cause he was leaving Vince changed the plans and Bret said no have him lose the title another way. Vince was afraid of Bret doing to the WWF Heavywieght Championship what Alandra Blaze did to the Womans title. So Vince Screwed Bret because of pride.
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I really think I'm going to stop visiting the forum on Friday's entirely from here on out, because every time I come in I have to read ridiculous threads like this from pathetic WWE marks who like nothing more than to shit on everything TNA does the second it happens.
The "screwjob" reference was done intentionally, and well done might I add. It adds intrigue to the product, as did the very-Bischoff-like sign-off where he fired Foley and they cut to black. It certainly got you marks talking, didn't it? This is exactly what TNA wants. You're being worked – all of you, and the more you deny it, the more you buy in.
The TNA product is wonderful right now, and I'm getting really tired of having to defend it week-after-week before you pathetic babies let any fucking story they do actually gain momentum or finish. You shit on everything the moment it happens.
The "screwjob" reference was done intentionally, and well done might I add. It adds intrigue to the product, as did the very-Bischoff-like sign-off where he fired Foley and they cut to black. It certainly got you marks talking, didn't it? This is exactly what TNA wants. You're being worked – all of you, and the more you deny it, the more you buy in.
The TNA product is wonderful right now, and I'm getting really tired of having to defend it week-after-week before you pathetic babies let any fucking story they do actually gain momentum or finish. You shit on everything the moment it happens.
trendkiller
The Voice of Reason
Aaaaaaaand /thread.
Basically, you've hit the nail on the head.
The ADD-riddled 5 year old's attitude has got to stop. So it was an angle you didn't like; get over it. You want six sides, not four; get over it. You hate the Nasty Boys; get over it.
Why is it that anything that doesn't have the set-up at the start of the show and the conclusion at the end of it gets absolutely shat on by nine tenths of the god damn Internet Wrestling Community (HA! "Community" my ass -.-) that is supposed to discuss the thing that it loves and wants to succeed?
Give it some fucking time already, the IWC has no clue where this angle is going, the IWC has no idea where the god damn COMPANY is going and the IWC sure as hell has no idea where any of the characters are going. The Nasty Boys could be gone before the next PPV for all we know (though it seems likely they'll be gone after it, and after a TLC-esque match with 3D and whatever young team they throw into the mix (MCMG? Morgan/Hernandez?))...
Patience. It's a virtue, you know.
Schizophrenic
iMPACT! Player From The Start
If proper grammar and punctuation is key to winning an argument then we are all fucked because we are all guilty of not spelling everything correctly or putting a period where it should be. I would also like to point out that by coming in here adding nothing to the table in a discussion, which you clearly have not done by not giving any reasoning to your point that it was "******ed" you are not helping your cause any and makes YOU come across as juvenile when you feel you have to attack someone else on something and miniscule as their english. Welcome to world of spamming my friend. Try brining something new to the table next time insted of trying to just take people down a notch, because with the quality of posters here (and there are as many good ones as there are bad ones) you will get ripped to shreds. Hell I have been happy to debate with people such as JJYanks who I got into a nice conversation with about TNA's direction (or in his oppinion, lack there of)and we both had fun doing a point-counterpoint debate. You sir are a person who is trying to play the heel on a wrestling board because you have either failed at wrestling or are too scared to actually try and want to be cool. I gladly sit and wait your rebuttle.
To try to bring something new to the table I do have to admit that Angle's reaction was quite ammusing to the whole thing. From the spitting, yelling that he was going back to Vince McMahon, taking Tenay's chair and slamming it against the stage all the while that big ass vein in his head popping out. Hillarious. The angle (no pun intended) was kind of meh and it was a bit out of place but it got people talking and THAT is what wrestling is supposed to do. Don't like it, dont watch it. No one is holding a gun against your head.
You know what, I actually liked this. As soon as Earl called for the bell, I already knew what they were doing. Angle's reaction was simply priceless He sold the whole situation so well. There were actually times where I thought, " holy shit! He's going back to WWE!" That's how marvelous Angle was last night. Then to have Bischoff come out, and fire Foley at the end was a perfect cliffhanger to end the show on.
At first I wasn't to crazy about the AJ heel turn, but now that this has happened, I'm very anxious to see where all of this will go.
At first I wasn't to crazy about the AJ heel turn, but now that this has happened, I'm very anxious to see where all of this will go.
It was great tv! Angle spit on Hogan, completely mocking WWEs big return of bret hart... I marked out for it...
Angle should have spelled out WWE with his finger like Bret did back in 97... If Hogan has a black eye next week and starts the show off with Angle screwed Angle... Come on! Mockery is great when promotions or at war...
Angle should have spelled out WWE with his finger like Bret did back in 97... If Hogan has a black eye next week and starts the show off with Angle screwed Angle... Come on! Mockery is great when promotions or at war...
I use to watch the WWF religiously. After the attitude era, The Rock moved on to Hollywood. Stone Cold started beating his wife. I stopped watching. People on this board can honestly tell me that the WWE is putting out a good product? You are out of your mind. I tried to watch RAW Monday and almost fell asleep. They had maybe three matches? total wrestling minutes were like 15. 15....seriously. TNA has a reason to talk more to build storylines, to get things going in the "new" direction. WWE has no reason to talk more and wrestle less, but TNA stands for Total Nonstop Action and thats what they need to go back too.
Maybe the reason all the WWE fans are pissed, is because they feel threatened?
Maybe the reason all the WWE fans are pissed, is because they feel threatened?
Bill Goldberg
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Man has Venus been out along time. I wish they'd have alittle less storylines(or stupid ones) and have more matches. Anyone remember the Rick Flair kid David Flair in WCW. That one hurt to watch because of the non sense of it. Now the Morely making videos in TNA and saying he was a video star??? Most people know who he was, try and keep it somewhat real. Atleast the Nasty Boys came back with their old routine instead of trying to act like their someone else.
The Phenomenal One
Dark Match Winner
I'm not saying I disliked the angle or like it. But, I'm a little confused. I remember when the rumors first started that WWE was going to do this at B.P. during the Taker/Punk match. Alot of people got pissed over it. Alot of people bashed it before it even began. TNA does the same storyline and suddenly the TNA fans, who are some of the same people that bashed Vince for over-doing the same storyline, are now saying how wonderful and smart TNA is for doing it? Now people are saying that it's just a bunch of WWE marks who are just bitching b/c it's not WWE? Yet, not THAT long ago alot of "anti-Vince" smarks where bitching over WWE doing the same damn storyline. So if McMahon does it, then it's wrong? If TNA does it then it suddenly becomes masterful, sick, and just plain totally awesome?
I think the point is, if anyone does anything whatsoever in the name of wrestling, the internet will bitch about it, no matter who it is. Stone Cold Steve Austin, The Rock, Owen Hart, Eddie Guerrero, Lou Thesz, Kurt Angle, Ric Flair, and The Lord Jesus Christ could have an 8-way, 1 hour TLC Iron Man Match and someone would find a reason to complain about how it didn't "tell a story" or how "it's ripping off the Buddha vs Gandhi match from last year's Bound For Glory".
So yeah, it really isn't very telling that people bitched when Vince did it. They'll bitch when anyone else does it, too. HHH's bottled water spit only went 5 feet in the air instead of 7 once and it almost broke the internet under the weight of people flocking to the forums to complain about how Cena only knows five moves.
So yeah, it really isn't very telling that people bitched when Vince did it. They'll bitch when anyone else does it, too. HHH's bottled water spit only went 5 feet in the air instead of 7 once and it almost broke the internet under the weight of people flocking to the forums to complain about how Cena only knows five moves.
As far as the screwjob angle goes, I thought it was a low blow to wwe. I dont think it had anything to do with a lack of originality on russo, hogan, bischoff. It was a total shat at wwe and frankly, I think its kinda funny. Bischoff and hogan, know what they are doing. Could they have chosen a different way to screw over kurt angle? Sure they could have, but they chose that angle for a reason. 1. like I said to take a shot at wwe. 2. To piss people off. 3. To further the rivalry of angle and aj. and the montreal angle was a pretty solid way to do that and I think kurt and aj hate eachother now more than ever (in the storyline). AJ and Kurt will proabably have a match to finally settle the score, probably some intense gimmick match.
Now if they keep doing storylines to take shots at wwe, that will get old. I think as long tna continues to come up with original storylines, they can do the occasional wwe dig in terms of doing a storyline that reminds us of a wwe one. TNA is well on there way.
Now if they keep doing storylines to take shots at wwe, that will get old. I think as long tna continues to come up with original storylines, they can do the occasional wwe dig in terms of doing a storyline that reminds us of a wwe one. TNA is well on there way.
Some of you will defend anything TNA does because of your hatred for Vince. This was a piece of shit angle and served no purpose. The thing is the MSJ was real. Bret was really leaving and didn't want to lose in Canada to HBK. We all know the rest. This was just stupid. Of all the ways to have Angle get screwed over, why use this one? Im not being worked by anyone either, i just find it utterly ridiculous. If vince did this again, like hes done in the past, all these tna marks would be bashing him left and right up and down, about how dumb it was. But the mighty hogan, bischoff, or russo came up with this shit and its ok because theyre just taking a shot at WWE and Brets return. Whatever, it was lame, lazy, sloppy booking. The announce team couldn't sell it, Angle isn't going back to WWE, and its all a big clusterfuck like most of impact usually is. I've tried to give TNA a chance, the in ring action is great, the storylines suck or are just rehashed bullshit. Im not saying WWE is better or any shit like that so save your name calling, im not a WWE mark or a TNA hater, just think this shit is unneccesary. Im not trying to bash TNA, i hope for the sake of us fans they are successful and one day provide competition to WWE, if this kind of shit is going to be the norm, along with the nasty boys, hall and waltman, orlando jordan, etc, they dont have a chance. They need to be original, and copying a real event that happened in the WWF over twelve years ago certainly is not how to accomplish that. And i don't think anyone has a problem with AJ doing heel things, he's a heel now. The problem is the screwjob finish sucked and was just dumb.
Schizophrenic
iMPACT! Player From The Start
I've read some posts on here and alot of people seem to have one big issue. They took something that was real and turned it into an angle. People complain. Yet when WWE took a very real situation in Lita/Hardy/Edge and turned it into an angle, people ate it up and priased the WWE for being genius with the angle. Now I am not attacking WWE, I to thought that the Hardy/Edge feud was well done. What I'm getting at is that you can not attack one angle for being taken off of a real life scenario then praise another. Just doesn't work like that. And let me stop the people who will find something to bitch about. Was it random and odd that they would do this? Yes it is, but again this is to garner attention (and damn did it ever work). With Bret back in the WWE it's going to at least make people want to see what TNA did when someone says "it was an exact repeat of Montreal." People get interested. If it didn't work there would not be any posts on this or this many damn pages. I also read that people said since it happened in Vince's company he is allowed to redo it with other players. What? It's just as odd when he does it, and isn't the community as a whole complaining that WWE never does anything new? So when they redo a story from 97 it's ok but god forbid another company does it? I have a feeling that since it's TNA (and most want it to fail while otehrs just need to complain to feel improtant) it got shit on. If Ring of Honor did it, it would be genius and brilliant and the writers would be so smart to think to do something like that to take a shot at WWE. Anyone else see the hypocrisy here?
FromTheSouth
You don't want it with me.
It's because this is a wrestling forum full of fifteen year old who think they're smarter than they are. Jesus just can't get over with this crowd, not matter how flying tiger space leper drops he does.
I love all the arguments about TNA is exploiting something that is real, like Vince didn't go on air saying "Bret screwed Bret" and putting himself over as the heel owner.
I don't hate Vince. I don't hate WWE. I am disappointed that WWE is so bland and uncreative. To say that TNA isn't creative shows an ignorance to the story. The MSJ was the end to an angle and a personal rivalry. The TNA incident is being used to start an angle. Everyone bitching about it treats it like it's some great disrespect to a wrestler who refused to fucking job when he was told to, disrespecting wrestling as a whole. Bret Hart's greed is what led to the real life incident. The TNA incident will lead to something else.
This just proves that Eric Bischoff is not the genius that he thinks he is if he's recycling old ideas like the NWO/the Band reuniting, bringing back the Nasty Boys, Sean Morley, and Ken Anderson and have them do the same old tired act they did in the WWE, and of course the screwjob. While this shit may be giving them good rating now but I'm predicting that within four to five months people will grow tired of the retro stuff and the ratings will drop and by the end of the year Dixie Carter will regret her association with H&B.
i guess i was one of the only ones to actually kinda fall for the whole angle to some degree....now i read spoilers(more like skimmed them) and saw there was gonna be a screwjob in the match so i def expected to see something fishy but i have to give it to Angle for selling the hell out of it...he legitimately looked shocked and seeing him spit at Hogan sold it for sure to me..and hearing him say he'll go back to vince haha...it didnt seem as set up as it apparently way.....
now when bischoff came out bloodied i knew it was all a work because it just worked out too perfectly haha...they had me going for once, somethign WWE NEVER does...i can ALWAYS see thru their storylines
now when bischoff came out bloodied i knew it was all a work because it just worked out too perfectly haha...they had me going for once, somethign WWE NEVER does...i can ALWAYS see thru their storylines
This isn't going to get people talking. This isn't interesting or well done. All this is is a really stupid idea and shows the direction Hogan and Bischoff are taking TNA, and it's not in a good one. First of all, the whole doesn't even make sense. I read the most recent article by Lance Storm on his website and he entirely hits the nail with his views... why in the hell would Angle even think Hogan had anything to do with this? Hogan gave him the opportunity and the rematch to begin with.. if Hogan was out to screw Angle he'd just not give him the rematch at all since Angle already lost his match at Genesis with the stipulation he'd never get another shot. So clearly it was Flair/Styles and Flair already made it clear he hates Hogan and has nothing to do with him. So what possibly could make Angle think Hogan had something to do with it and spit on him? Absolutely nothing. Another example of a storyline by TNA making no sense, which makes the entire thing pointless. It's unoriginal, it was done extremely poorly, and it's certainly not going to make people watch. If they were trying to mock WWE they did a terrible job at it.
Having a controversial finish to a match is one thing.... but why imitate the Montreal Screwjob in its entirety? I'll say that TNA redid it almost perfectly, but why? Was this supposed to be them poking fun at Vince and Bret Hart? It got us fans talking (just look at all the responses this thread has!) but I still think that people should leave the Montreal Screwjob in the past and just come up with something original if they want a controversial finish to a match. I'm not upset or anything, that's just my opinion. Even though this thing was kayfabe and not real like the real screwjob was.... they did do a good job of imitating it. That almost cancels out the fact that they did not come up with something new. So, at least the segment did what it was supposed to do because many of us fans are talking about it and wondering what will happen on Impact this week.
I just read the article you talked about and agree with both of you. Plus Lance points points out the fact that TNA basically gave away free advertising that Bret Hart is back on RAW to bring closure to the Montreal Screw Job story from 12 years ago.
I wouldn't mind but I thought this angle sucked. AJ barely had hold of the ankle let alone apply the submission. And Kurts post match stress was gopod but he really screwed up once he got out of the ring. They didnt give him any props to destroy for effect and the whole thing came off as so lame.
From one of the biggest TNA fans on the forums, I hated this and I detest that it was even attempted.
From one of the biggest TNA fans on the forums, I hated this and I detest that it was even attempted.
This was SUCH a bad idea. If they wanted to do some kind of screwjob, they should have done their own thing and not copied what really happened in '97. Angle seemed to do a good job acting pissed off, but still I just don't get this. I thought they were trying to be different, or better than the WWE. They seem to be trying quite a bit to be like the WWE. If they would just feature some GOOD wrestling, I would be happy. They don't need to recycle things and people from wrestlings past.
King Douche
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That was mocking? Mocking would be in a comedy like way, that was not mocking just trying to do there own screwjob and it failed epicly.
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