montreal screw job 2009

your all morons because all the "screwjobs" have been scripted for the all the reasons listed:

While it was rather obvious how scripted Taker screwjob was, the 1997 one still has you people out there doubting your own preaching of KAYFABE.

Bret bashed Americans and needed a reason to be cheered in America when jumping to WCW so they had him get "screwed" so the fans automatically sympathize with him on this "real life" situation.

Vince therefore becomes the companies top heel and allows him to enter the GREATEST FEUD IN WRESTLING HISTORY with Stone Cold. Without the 1997 work, and i do mean WORK, Vince can't be an effective heel enough for Stone Cold to become the icon that he is today, which would have stunted the growth of characters like The Rock and Triple H.

KAYFABE IS PRESENT WITH 100% OF WHAT THE FANS SEE. Always remember that people.

I'm sorry did you just say the original Montreal Screwjob was a work? And that it was done so Bret would be over with American audiences?
:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
Goddamn that's dumber than the people thinking this was a legit screwjob. Seriously, that's just so idiotic.
 
It was illegal, you are right! Think bout' it tho. Unpopular decisions are a slippery slope into heeldom. They're taking their time with Teddy's turn. Vince's character ain't gon' b happy wit Teddy until he starts shaking things up! Oh yea, Bret got screwd. People this is professional wrestling, cut out the conspiracy theories! Vince didn't want his champion leavin' to WCW with the title. Use common sense my fellow wrestling fans
 
Yall pissin' me off! All storylines are recreated time and time again! This story in particular happened over ten years ago and ya'll actin like the shit was done last year! Dude, WWE are doin' three things with that GREAT finish! Establishin' Punk, creating a great fued, and turnin' Teddy Long heel! How the hell can u not like that finish!

Yes, storylines are repeated, but I feel like certain ones are so legendary that they shouldn't be repeated, and this is one of them. I hope Mr. McMahon agrees with me and is mad at Teddy Long for this decision and fires him as GM of SD (all in kayfabe, of course).
 
I belive Teddy said the move was banned on Smackdown, so at WM it would've been legal to use on HBK since it was a cross brand match, as for tonight it would illegal since it was a SD match.
Still some blatant bias on Teddy's part, or at least some inconsistency on WWE's. Remember that cage match with Big Show that Undertaker won using Hell's Gate while Vickie was still GM and after she'd made the decree?

Also: do you like watermelon, bashd?
 
:lmao:

Goodness are people actually angry over this "Screwjob"? Tell me some of you are more intelligent than this. The match, while short, was good. The ending is what really saved it though. I should have seen the Screwjob angle coming, but I didn't (I figured they'd use that in the DX match instead somehow), and to see Punk go back in there and get the win ala Survivor Series 97 was a great, great booking idea. Seriously, try to argue that wasn't a genius move. You're able to put Punk over and keep the title on him, maintaining his credibility and momentum, and at the same time not make the returning star look weak. It's an absolute win-win situation if there ever was one, and it makes for great television. I'm quite excited to see how this develops on Smackdown.

This. I read on the main site that they were having problems coming up with an idea that kept both men looking strong. Well looky fucking here. Punk gets the Screwjob heat, and Undertaker gets the "I was screwed!" face heat. It's win win.

Great move by the WWE here. They seriously pissed off alot of that crowd, and that's the point. Sometimes it's not only okay to piss off your crowd, it's required.

We were in Montreal, Canada guys. It's kind of mandatory. Especially after the shit reaction they gave Henry. :lmao:

Very, very intelligent decision by McMahon and company here.

I simply cannot BELIEVE you two don't realize this is a work though. My god, have you ever watched wrestling before?

That's what I thought when I stumbled into the thread. This isn't legit, it's not Survivor Series '97. Taker isn't leaving and refusing to drop the belt in front of his homecrowd; Punk isn't conniving with McMahon on how to get the belt. Though I wouldn't be surprised if they pushed it that way.

Seriously guys. It was a work. Promise. And a damn good one at that.
 
this was definitely a work haha....come on now...i didn't expect to see it again though...they've used this angle enough...they did it again at the survivor series a few years back wtih rock and mankind and now they are re-doing it in montreal.... I get the argument that this was a good finish so as to keep punks reign going and not have taker look weak...but it was a joke of a finish...come on...the montreal screwjob is old and its time to move on...I think a better finish could have been having punk grab a fan or someone and threaten to harm them/or slap on a submission on them if taker doesn't give up yea yea yea i know ppl will rip that ending to shreds but i personally think it would be better than beating the screwjob to death as is being down now. Maybe it would have worked better on the ABA Taker but still...it would accomplish the same two things w/o having to use the screw job again
 
You...you do know what kayfabe is, right?

Good lord I can't believe some of the stuff I'm reading on here. How old are some of you?

This was, again, a perfect booking decision by McMahon and company. CM retains, Taker doesn't tap, win-win.


You guys do know that this is a wrestling forum and although 99% of us know wrestling isnt real, why not have fun with it? If I were trying to get into what happened tonight thats exactly how I would have seen it, Undertaker just got a screw over and now he is going to be pissed at alot of people, especially Teddy Long. Its going to be fun seeing what comes out of this. You guys dont have to piss all over peoples posts, especially positive and/or innocent postings, just because you know its fake.
 
I get what u saying ghoat. I lookd at it as purely entertaining. Do u think Bret is pissed that what happened to him was turnd into a storyline over ten years later. He got over it (I'm assumin') so why can't everyone else! Sure I was pissed about what happened to Bret but that ending was entertaining and I appreciated it! We won dude! U and I both gon' b watchin' Smackdown Fri. Lol
 
Ok, maybe I'm reading too far into this, but I think I can explain why the Hell's Gate was disallowed in this match but not at 'Mania


At Mania, SD Taker was facing Raw's HBK, keep this in mind...

as I recall, Vicki Guerrero banned the gogoplata on SmackDown, but not on Raw...also, she'd have no reason to enforce said ban as she only used it to benefit Edge, now, back to Mania

since the hold wasn't technically banned on the Raw Brand...it was legal at Mania..

why do Raw and SD have different rules?

No idea, but think of it this way, the AL has a DH, and the NL has the pitcher bat, but both are considered to be "brands" of Major League Baseball....


maybe this is why the ban wasn't enforced until now, a SD match [match with both SD superstars]

as for do I approve of the ending...HELL YES, it made both guys look like they should

Punk is a more conniving heal

Taker is a solid face
 
Look, as far as this ending goes, it was great. As Xfear said, it keeps the belt on Punk, Taker still looks strong, and no one's worse for ware, except for the douchebag Montreal fans.

Hopefully, we'll see Taker do a 'shoot' on the whole thing to give it some credibility. And it's amazing how many are angry over this. Trust me, if Taker were to be legit screwed out if his title shot, you'd seen some stuff. You may have seen Taker beat the shit out of someone, or seen Vince come down and try to calm Taker down. Instead, Taker just looks around, like he's been had, while Punk and Teddy still stand on stage. It was a blatant 'Fuck you' given to the Montreal fans. No more. No less.

I did find it quite funny though.
 
Hey, workshop.... I love watermelon. Anyway, I thought the ending was great! I'm sure other endings were probly passed around but this one pissed people off more so hey......MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
 
It's been said already, but there's "No Chance In Hell," that this was an actual screw job. (See what I did there?)

Taker's not going anywhere, he didn't have the belt... this was an excellent way to keep Punk's credibility and heat, keep the feud going, and bottom line bring people in to watch Smackdown next week to see what Taker does in regards to this "screw job."

Hopefully, we'll see Taker do a 'shoot' on the whole thing to give it some credibility.

Exactly, Lariat. The top face on your show has to give promos. Has to. Hell, they even put a mic in Jeff "How much you need?" Hardy's hand. Taker has been cutting minimalist promos for a while, and this is the chance to have Taker find some middle ground between the crap talking American Bad Ass persona and the quiet, nearly silent Dead Man.

Put him on the mic to open Smackdown, maybe even in street clothes, talking about how he's gonna take Teddy Long, the ref (remember, referees don't have names anymore), and Punk straight to hell...

... in a cell. Okay, Punk at least.

I think it was a great thing to do, plus Montreal gets added AGAIN to the Vince McMahon "Kiss My Ass Club." But nobody had to look at Vince's pasty posterior. Thank goodness.
 
The absolute most hilarious thing I've heard in a long time. Someone thinking this was a real "screwjob" and NOT a work... you have to be kidding. No wait, the idiot calling the REAL SCREWJOB a work... that's even funnier.

The ending was prefect as has been said. Punk couldn't lose, Undertaker couldn't lose. What the hell were they going to do? Plus this adds to T.Long's heel turn so that's another element in play here.

And as to the mention of the Morrison/Ziggler issue being the same... the only logical ending would have been Ziggler get pissed that he can't put Morrison away and get DQ'ed but would that have taken away from his character instead of added to Morrison's for not being able to beat JoMo??

But back to the topic at hand... thanks. I really needed a laugh.
 
It was obviously a work. It kinda pisses me off that they did it just because it in a wat takes away from the greatness of the real Montreal Screwjob.

Its just a dumb ending, it would be nice if they could have both title matches end clean for once.
 
Fuck. Are YOU SERIOUS?

People on here actually thinking it wasn't a work?
Sometimes I think xfearbefore is the only one with a brain here.

Dang nammit. IT WAS A WORK. Perfect by the creative team. I think it was awesome and the best way to get outta the problem they had with either punk losing the title or Undertaker tapping out.

But damn. Your funny.
 
I never click these forums. I haven't used my account in years. But this post is amazing...

Well despite anything else that's been said, the "Montreal Screwjob" was a work. It just plain old was. I don't know what it is about North America but critical thinking just doesn't seem to be awfully prevelant.

Let's just go through a few dot points to see how you can come to this conclusion:

- Everything in wrestling is scripted, fake, yadda yadda.

- At that particular stage, the WWF was losing Bret Hart due to financial difficulties in keeping him - there was too much financial strain to compete with what WCW was offering him. There was also allegedly backstage issues with Bret at the time too, in particular with HBK, so (if this part is true), it's an acceptable loss. This shows that there is no reason to make it anything but amicable.

- Around the point where Bret starts second guessing his WWF career, a film crew starts following him around filming "Wrestling with Shadows". The likelihood of the "screwjob" coinciding with the timing of this documentary, which began many months previous and which features VKM on the cover and in the footage, is just not very high.

- VKM is a VERY successful businessman. Why would a successful businessman publicly "screw" one of its historically best employees in the midst of a ratings war it was losing? Why wouldn't other talent just promptly leave as well?

- And this is the most important point:

As a direct result of the screwjob, the anger it created, the long-lasting ripples it has had on the entire industry (chants still being heard today) we had:

-For Vince McMahon:

Vince McMahon, the BEST heel ever created in wrestling.

Stone Cold Steve Austin - the BEST face ever created in wrestling, created as a result of Vince McMahon.

The climax of the "attitude" era.

A historical benchmark that can be frequented to whenever you want to inspire emotion in the wrestling fans.

-For Bret Hart:

He leaves the company as a martyr, going in to WCW as how it would have been presented to him at the time as "the most sympathised face in wrestling". HE LOST IN FRONT OF A DOCUMENTARY CREW AND HIS ENTIRE FAMILY IN HIS HOME CITY IN THE COUNTRY HE WAS BORN. COME ON! How hard is it to realise that this is too perfect?!

This is just simple logic and reasoning. People aren't children in a sandpit, they're adults in the entertainment industry whos job it is to make you think that what you're seeing is as real as possible, without it actually being real. Every time someone from the inside tells you it's real, it's because it is probably wrestlings greatest accomplishment. Do you know how well the Attitude era did after the screwjob? I'm afraid it's your parents who put presents under the tree for you.

Also, fair bets that if Bret Hart wasn't badly injured before the fall of WCW, he would have wrestled against VKM at Wrestlemania by now. Who knows, maybe that's next. I don't really know how bad off he is.

I hope this allows some people to think twice about this... You don't need any evidence other than the very, very, very large pile of evidence you currently have in your head. Just THINK about it with an opinion that wasn't subtly grafted in to your head by someone who was pushing an agenda.
 
Been said many times but here goes again

No it wasn't a real screw job, what would Vince have against Taker to Screw him over in reality, be serious. Taker has stuck with the WWE through thick and thin and put over everyone he was asked too.

On the other hand the concensus was Bret refused to do what was asked of him cause he didn't wanna look bad. not tooo mention he was gonna jump ship to WCW anyway.

on the other side of that as was mentioned in the previous post, who's to say that the Montreal screwjob was a screwjob in the first place, who's to say that Vince and Bret didn't concoct the whole him getting screwed which woulda given him huge publicity going to WCW and totally turned him face again, only problems was WCW just shoved him into the background almost imediately. Problem with that argument is they both played there characters really well and stuck to the story for a decade if that was the case

IMO It was just a rib at Canada's expense as they do everytime WWE goes into Canada, It gets a reaction everytime. They hinted throughout the whole PPV it was a decade since the screwjob and DX poked fun at it too.

Personally i woulda loved taker to get the result as it stood in the first place but the ending just leaves room for them to go onto Hell In A Cell and build a bigger fued in the meantime, afterall they only had a few weeks to build upto the Breaking Point match.

Taker has been screwed out of world titles more than anyone else in WWE history. thats a record he can take with him into retirement LOL

A record that he never tapped out is meaningless when he lost by other means alot of times. I might add too that Bret never tapped out either during that infamous match 10yrs ago.

Anyway it was an ending that wasn't expected for a change which is refreshing,
 
When I first saw the ending to the match...well, the second ending anyway, I thought (knowing that it was a work) "are they really redoing the screwjob?". I wasn't pissed per se, just a little confused as to why they did that. After sleeping on it though I changed my conclusion. As much as I didn't like them redoing the screwjob...

...it made perfect sense.

1.) We're in Montreal.
2.) It's a submission based PPV.
3.) #1 and #2 should have clued me in right there (actually, I forgot that BP was in Montreal to begin with).
4.) If Taker won cleanly it would have meant another short WHC reign (for Punk and just in general for the title).
5.) If Punk won cleanly it may have killed Taker's momentum.

This was honestly the best way for Punk to retain, Taker not to look weak, and for Long to "shake things up". As for the original screwjob...if that was a work then Hart and McMahon have done a fantastic job of "hating" each other over the next several years (no, I'm not saying it was a work, I 100% believe the original screwjob was not a work).
 
The first poster (talking about the ending being still in discussion on Sunday morning)--that theory would be that the ending was not communicated to Taker, which would be a screwUP of colossal proportions.

I still say that the right move was to have Punk win clean over the Undertaker. UT has been over for close to 20 years and still is--he can afford a clean loss, and it would put Punk over huge. Punk making Undertaker tap with the Anaconda Vice would make a lot more sense than Punk beating Taker in a Hell in A Cell match (not to mention putting Punk and the AV over huge.) Now Taker will run rampant over Punk and SD until HIAC, which I don't know that a newish champion can afford if he's going to be a big star.

Shades of Jericho's first Undisputed Title reign? We'll know soon enough if Punk starts fearing the mindgames.
 
this deff wasnt no screwjob taker deff knew if they should of done a screwjob angle should of been with dx as mentioned. i feel like the hart dynasty should of gotten involved somehow!
 
On the other hand if Taker tapped, it would make him look like shit. If Hogan, Flair, HBK, Rock, Austin, any other major star could not make Taker tap, then why should Punk?

Taker would look like shit tapping out to the World Heavyweight Champion? Really? No, I think it would put over Punk and the Anaconda Vice huge and start to legitimize Punk as the equal of the big Attitude Era stars. According to the internet, Biker Taker tapped out to Angle in 2002 at the same time the ref was counting 3 for a UT pin. So has Undertaker been shit since 2002?

Even looking at your list, Flair's Figure Four leglock is the only legendary submission move on there, and Flair was over the hill by WM 18. So you could sell Punk's Anaconda Vice as on a level with Flair's Figure Four leglock, Bret Hart's Sharpshooter, the Angle Lock, the Crippler Crossface and the Walls of Jericho, even if Benoit's and Jericho's and Punk's overall arsenal and careers aren't on the level of Flair, Hogan, Austin, Rock, etc.

IF it is so unbelievable for Undertaker to tap out to Punk, then isn't Punk's title reign already weak? After all, he cashed in MITB after Jeff Hardy was beaten up by Edge, went back and forth with a drug addict and lost a handful of matches to Morrison while reigning over a weak roster.

I'd say that World Heavyweight Champion CM Punk needed a big, clean win over the Undertaker to be a credible big star for WWE. A tapout to the Anaconda Vice--which has rarely been seen, much less beaten in WWE--would be more credible to me than beating Undertaker at HIAC.

My plan would be Undertaker taps at Breaking Point, wins at HIAC, no WHC match at SS, Punk takes back the title at December TLC. Mark Callaway takes some time off for the holidays, returns at the Rumble or at No Way Out to set up Title vs. The Streak for Wrestlemania.
 
I agree it was the best finish to the match to up the feud and create a pissed off Taker leading to the Hell in a Cell PPV. I saw another thread on here where someone mentioned the current feuds in WWE and how none of them were at the level where they deserved a Hell in the Cell. I can now see Taker tracking down Teddy Long, lifting him off the ground and basically forcing him to make a match in the Devil's playground. Then maybe have a Team Taker vs Team Punk traditional SS match at that PPV, to continue the feud but have Taker hold the belt for longer than 6 weeks this time, leading into TLC... which could go to either competitor but gives Punk the edge.
 
I loved how this match ended, I thought it was quite creative and very intelligent. It was an unexpected end to a very good match and everything that the match needed to accomplish happened.

Punk retains the WHC, gains credibility and leaves with even more heat than he had to begin with. The Undertaker might have "lost", but he only did so because he was screwed out of it. So, he keeps his credibility, showed he can beat Punk and the feud gets gets hotter as Taker was robbed. Paying a little homage to the Montreal Screwjob was a nice little touch. Fans were genuinely angry at Punk and that's precisely what needed to happy. Very, very good call on the WWE's part.
 

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