Schizophrenic
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By the way to the guy who said you shouldn't steal another companies ideas for a pop......did you ever hear of the nWo and Goldberg.....is that the sound of owning I hear.
WTF? TNA just pulled a remake of the Montreal screw job!
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EGfan4life
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And another thing, Vince McMahon stealing from himself is alright, because it's HIS idea. Hulk fucking Hogan stealing from him is typical. And yes I'm a prophet. You caught me.
Bottom Line: TNA will not surpass the WWE in ratings or originality. Not when you got a bunch of hasbeens like The Nasty Boys wrestling and Kevin Nash who can barely move. Bash my comments all you want.
Bottom Line: TNA will not surpass the WWE in ratings or originality. Not when you got a bunch of hasbeens like The Nasty Boys wrestling and Kevin Nash who can barely move. Bash my comments all you want.
This is the 100% honest truth.
I am a lifelong WWE fan and even when the Monday night wars were going on, I would flip back and forth between WWF and WCW because I enjoyed good wrestling and storylines. It didn't matter to me what company was doing it.
Fast forward to 2008 or 2009, when TNA started on Spike. I gave it a try and watched it for a few times on Thursday nights, but decided it wasn't worth watching when it was broadcasted and instead DVR'd it to fast forward through the things I didn't particularly like (Kip James, Jeff Jarrett, Curryman and the superheroes group etc.) and watched the segments I found entertaining like Kurt Angle and Main Event Mafia, AJ Styles, Motor City and Beer Money. It became my routine over the weekends to watch the show, which totaled about 30 minutes total. This is equivalent to enjoying 25% of the show (for those short of math skills!).
Now I hear Hogan and Bishoff were coming to TNA and I thought "finally, some good solid competition for WWE like the old days". Nothing will beat the WWE as far as the quality of the shows, even if you don't agree with their PG turn. But Hogan to TNA was promising, so I figured I would give my DVR a rest and start watching the shows from start to finish again.
I officially watched my last TNA show live tonight and maybe I won't even go back to recording it. That's because tonight and the past 2 weeks have been was garbage. I know I could write better stuff than this. I read a Q&A somewhere with Russo, and he talked about how proud he was with writing the shows and it takes his staff 2 weeks to write. That can't be true.
How do you copy the Montreal Screwjob? The WWE is doing a storyline right now about the real screwjob involving the real participants. The WWE even did the fake screw job storyline a few times, where the bell was rung early by Vince. And now all of a sudden TNA is doing it too?
The rest of the show was pretty bad as well, the Foley and Bishoff segment was pretty lame, Orlando Jordan beating the Pope cleanly after Pope beat Wolfe was pretty stupid and the Nasty Boys?
I feel bad for the real TNA fans out there, because their show has gone from bad to worse.
I am a lifelong WWE fan and even when the Monday night wars were going on, I would flip back and forth between WWF and WCW because I enjoyed good wrestling and storylines. It didn't matter to me what company was doing it.
Fast forward to 2008 or 2009, when TNA started on Spike. I gave it a try and watched it for a few times on Thursday nights, but decided it wasn't worth watching when it was broadcasted and instead DVR'd it to fast forward through the things I didn't particularly like (Kip James, Jeff Jarrett, Curryman and the superheroes group etc.) and watched the segments I found entertaining like Kurt Angle and Main Event Mafia, AJ Styles, Motor City and Beer Money. It became my routine over the weekends to watch the show, which totaled about 30 minutes total. This is equivalent to enjoying 25% of the show (for those short of math skills!).
Now I hear Hogan and Bishoff were coming to TNA and I thought "finally, some good solid competition for WWE like the old days". Nothing will beat the WWE as far as the quality of the shows, even if you don't agree with their PG turn. But Hogan to TNA was promising, so I figured I would give my DVR a rest and start watching the shows from start to finish again.
I officially watched my last TNA show live tonight and maybe I won't even go back to recording it. That's because tonight and the past 2 weeks have been was garbage. I know I could write better stuff than this. I read a Q&A somewhere with Russo, and he talked about how proud he was with writing the shows and it takes his staff 2 weeks to write. That can't be true.
How do you copy the Montreal Screwjob? The WWE is doing a storyline right now about the real screwjob involving the real participants. The WWE even did the fake screw job storyline a few times, where the bell was rung early by Vince. And now all of a sudden TNA is doing it too?
The rest of the show was pretty bad as well, the Foley and Bishoff segment was pretty lame, Orlando Jordan beating the Pope cleanly after Pope beat Wolfe was pretty stupid and the Nasty Boys?
I feel bad for the real TNA fans out there, because their show has gone from bad to worse.
because it happened just like the Hart/Michaels/McMahon series.Vince McMahon using his own idea over and over again does not make it okay at all, it just proves that he is as "unoriginal" as TNA. If he has to fall back on a situation that created a black cloud over wrestling then their is something wrong. I am not saying either is in the right by using the angle over again but it has created a buzz which is what it was meant to do.
And as far as having "hasbeens" yes TNA has a few, but go and check their roster before you go running your mouth off like that. The majority of their roster is made up of young guys who have never performed in a WWE or WCW ring, ever. Sure they have some older guys but there is nothing wrong with that. In fact, that will give the old time wrestling fans and those people who seek nostalgic feelings a reason to watch.
The Nasty Boys were a bad pick up but I will not sit by and let you besmirch the good name of Kevin Nash. The man is old but he still moves very well for a 7 foot 300 plus pound man who is in his late 40's to early 50's. He may not be the Big Sexy of old but he is nowhere near the bottom of the roster. TNA is doing just fine with their acquisitions.
Hulkamaniac
Vote Hogan, Savage, Rocky and Thesz
Like the NWO, which he ripped off with DX, and then later directly copied? As pointed out, it's how it goes. Ideas are always copied, and replicated, and redone. It's bull to hate on one company and not the other. Hogan and Bischoff have been putting on damn good shows. Higher ratings show that my point has validity, as well as probably higher PPV buys. The production values have gotten MUCH better, the action in the ring is much more fluid with the ring change. Way to go TNA.
If you could write better stuff, than why aren't you working on the creative team for WWE or TNA? I highly doubt you could do any better. If you didn't enjoy the show, then do exactly what you said and turn it off.
I for one enjoyed tonight's show. Was it the best show in wrestling history? No. Should they have used Joe, Beer Money, or the MCMG? Probably so. But tonight's show was all about planting the seeds in a major storyline...and I thought it was well done. There is already 6 pages about the ending of the show on this forum...so I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that the ending did it's job pretty damn well. It got everyone talking, and like others said, whether people disliked or liked the ending of the show, they are going to tune in next week to see what happens next. It's that simple.
well, what do yall think about sting going back up to the rafters? thats been done around the time of the formation of the nwo. bottom line, i dont think the problem is hogan, its russo. the end of wcw wasnt eric and hulk, it was russos writing. anybody remember hogan winning the title from jarrett by jeff jus laying down and letting hulk pin him? yeah thats right, that shitbomb has russos name all over it. like i said before, im mostly a wwe guy, but if they keep letting russo pull this crap, i wont have a chance to get to like tna or have an option like we did with the monday night wars. tna has the potential to improve and wwe will improve through proper competition. bottom line russo needs to go if not for this b.s. he pulled tonight, but for his track record in general
is it technically ripping it off considering when he bought wcw, he bought everything including rights and video. at least when vince first brought it back it was the original players doing the same gimmic. of course later when they added micheals and the others it got watered down and became a ripoff. but at what point does something goe from being rehatched to a complete rippoff
hogan is the greatest
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man i think it was great hogan is a genious when he says he has the best mind in wrestling he is right this best i think i have ever seen of tna of coarse simple minded moroon idiots dont get it but thats ok we will be patient with the slow people but for normal people this was great hogan should of came in along time ago
in hogan we trust
in hogan we trust
Ultracomboer
New Member
I'll admit that it took me a second to see what they were doing. Although I didn't see it at first I knew there was a good reason behind it. I'll also admit that after hearing some very good arguments here in this thread, I still don't think it was a good idea. It just seems too risky.
I'll tell you exactly when it goes from a rehash to a ripoff... when you feel like making a point and being negative.
It's the same fucking thing, but you're not a TNA fan (which is perfectly cool, no one is trying to force you to be) so that makes it a ripoff to you. That's cool, no problem. But there's no point coming on here trying to convince us of it when we don't share your bias.
When the show ended, I wasn't sure how I felt about it. But as I've thought it over, I have to say, I'm liking it. A lot. As others have said, it puts over Styles and Flair as heels, and Angle as a face. You also get the added bonus of using the WWE storyline they are re-creating themselves. I'm sure people in the WWE and WWE fans will laugh and say it is pathetic, but it gets people talking, and I though the show as a whole was very entertaining.
Also, it's clear that Foley/JJ/Angle will be leading some type of insurgency against Hogan/Bischoff. I'm sure Sting will be thrown into it at some point, and you've got AJ/Flair looking out for their own interests. Then there's the Band, whatever they're going to do. It could be really interesting.
BTW, I really like the new look of the Impact zone.
Also, it's clear that Foley/JJ/Angle will be leading some type of insurgency against Hogan/Bischoff. I'm sure Sting will be thrown into it at some point, and you've got AJ/Flair looking out for their own interests. Then there's the Band, whatever they're going to do. It could be really interesting.
BTW, I really like the new look of the Impact zone.
if you would read some of my earlier posts, that even though ive stated im a wwe fan i have also stated that im willing to give them a shotbecause overall, i am a wrestling fan in general. im not being negative, i was simply asking a question and stating a point to go along with my point
I_Like_All_Wrestling
Championship Contender
It didn't really bother me that they played this angle. What did bother me is that I didn't see a point to it. It was a match on impact, with short time, and like the 58th Angle/Styles match (which I love, but still). There is really no big sense of Angle getting screwed here. Sure he was cost the match, but really what happened? He'll just get another title shot some other time?
I think the reason they did this is to add to the whole "who's side is Hogan on" question, but again, there really was no purpose to "screw" Angle here with a fake tapout.
I think the reason they did this is to add to the whole "who's side is Hogan on" question, but again, there really was no purpose to "screw" Angle here with a fake tapout.
{ To Dexter }The point is that hogan and bishoff promised that they would be different than the WWE and by trying to recreate the Montreal screw job is not separating themselves from the WWE at all and by you saying that people are WWE marks just by expressing their opinions about TNA. Doesn't that make you Bias?
amen, cause i was jus called bias even though i said that i chose tna over superstars tonight and am willing to give them a shot. i personal have been a fan of val venis for exaple and will be watching a little more to see if he amoung other old timers get a better chance
Mitch Cumstein
Dark Match Jobber
This is a total bait job. They are making everybody mention "TNA". Positive or negative it doesnt matter. The name is getting out there. TNA fans, WWE fans, Youtube, dirt sheets, twitter, etc.... everybody is talking about this. THAT WAS THE POINT!
after ive calmed down(from the anger of them using this as a storyline, not at being called bias), your right, they say the only bad publisity is no publisity
SinCityBlitz
Crossface Chickenwing
WWE is pure shit right now yet TNA is copying WWE. So what exactly does that make TNA? Right,shit. Think before you type.
The bigger point in all of this should be that TNA is slowly becoming the WWE. I knew once Hogan and Bischoff took over things would start to go South but I had no idea how quickly they would. From the start all we heard was change yet I see the Nasty Boys, The New nWo, Bubba the douche(the new Madden), Daniels jobbing to Venis, the new screw job, Sting in the rafters and Hogan and his puppet taking up big chunks of TV time. Someone want to tell me what exactly has changed except the company name?
We have Hogan and Puppet taking shots at Vince while at the same time putting on the same show as him.
Your right! Since hogan and Bishoff came to TNA it seems that they are more determined about taking shots and getting back at Vince by saying that their going to do whats best to make TNA number 1 than actually doing it.
wolvdog316
Pre-Show Stalwart
Nobody in their right mind can say they approve of this angle. Nobody in their right mind can say they approve where TNA is heading right now.
The only people that say they do are lying so they won't have to admit that the great Hulk Hogan isn't a piece of shit who doesn't have a fucking clue what he is doing. He will tear down TNA, just like he had a hand in WCW. Cause he doesn't give a shit
Bubba? Friend of Hogan, shouldn't be anywhere NEAR a wrestling promotion. Thanks Hogan. He may have gotten your best female wrestler fired? But who cares about petty shit like that
Nasty Boys. Yep, great idea there, THANKS HOGAN. We didn't want to see MCMG actually win some matches, no we really wanted to see the Nasty Boys
The Band in the major storyline of TNA, THANKS HOGAN. Can't get enough Hall and Suxx.
And now this. A ripoff of an angle done 12 years ago. It wasn't good when Vince redid it with the Rock and Foley and it isn't good now.
The angle ONLY worked cause its real. Nobody's buying the shit. It's a one and done angle. It makes TNA look cheap, unoriginal, and second rate. Bischoff is better than this. He had some fantastic storylines in WCW, he doesn't need to resort to these shit.
And everyone says it got people talking. Great. Lets see the ratings. And when this week and next week are STILL fucking shit, what excuse will you use Hogan marks use then? "He needs more time" Same thing said about Russo in WCW.
This really smells like Russo's shit. He has a sick, less than funny, sense of humor. He thinks it's cute when he entertains himself. Well guess what fucktard, nobody finds your shit cute. Nobody found it "hilarious" when ya made fun of Jr, nobody found it funny when you beat Ric Flair, nobody found it funny when you had some atrocious Mexican something on a pole match. It's a joke only you and a select few find funny. There's a reason your a failure away from Vince. Nobody in TNA has the balls to tell you to get the fuck out with your stupid ass ideas.
You guys making 10,000 excuses why this shit going in TNA is ok because "insert excuse here" are no better than the WWE marks claiming that a midget and a bunch of worthless guest hosts are entertaining. It's the damn pot calling the kettle black.
TNA is quickly becoming the WWE lite, yet everybody is quick to call WWE shit. Well wake the fuck up people, TNA will be just like WWE in a few months. They already laid the groundwork
And another thing? Who the fuck is actually talking about this shit? Who? About 200 people on a message board. That's it. NOBODY thats a pure WWE mark will hear this and go "Wow, that's original, wonder how it's going to play out". So the question remains, what did this crap angle actually do to help TNA? Nothing. When is all this word of mouth going to actually translate into ratings? Hogan had TONS of word of mouth, he and everybody else, could only muster .2 better than their all time high.
Just like Finger poke of doom, oh yeah HA HA ya got one over on us. Too bad only a select few found it amusing.
The only people that say they do are lying so they won't have to admit that the great Hulk Hogan isn't a piece of shit who doesn't have a fucking clue what he is doing. He will tear down TNA, just like he had a hand in WCW. Cause he doesn't give a shit
Bubba? Friend of Hogan, shouldn't be anywhere NEAR a wrestling promotion. Thanks Hogan. He may have gotten your best female wrestler fired? But who cares about petty shit like that
Nasty Boys. Yep, great idea there, THANKS HOGAN. We didn't want to see MCMG actually win some matches, no we really wanted to see the Nasty Boys
The Band in the major storyline of TNA, THANKS HOGAN. Can't get enough Hall and Suxx.
And now this. A ripoff of an angle done 12 years ago. It wasn't good when Vince redid it with the Rock and Foley and it isn't good now.
The angle ONLY worked cause its real. Nobody's buying the shit. It's a one and done angle. It makes TNA look cheap, unoriginal, and second rate. Bischoff is better than this. He had some fantastic storylines in WCW, he doesn't need to resort to these shit.
And everyone says it got people talking. Great. Lets see the ratings. And when this week and next week are STILL fucking shit, what excuse will you use Hogan marks use then? "He needs more time" Same thing said about Russo in WCW.
This really smells like Russo's shit. He has a sick, less than funny, sense of humor. He thinks it's cute when he entertains himself. Well guess what fucktard, nobody finds your shit cute. Nobody found it "hilarious" when ya made fun of Jr, nobody found it funny when you beat Ric Flair, nobody found it funny when you had some atrocious Mexican something on a pole match. It's a joke only you and a select few find funny. There's a reason your a failure away from Vince. Nobody in TNA has the balls to tell you to get the fuck out with your stupid ass ideas.
You guys making 10,000 excuses why this shit going in TNA is ok because "insert excuse here" are no better than the WWE marks claiming that a midget and a bunch of worthless guest hosts are entertaining. It's the damn pot calling the kettle black.
TNA is quickly becoming the WWE lite, yet everybody is quick to call WWE shit. Well wake the fuck up people, TNA will be just like WWE in a few months. They already laid the groundwork
And another thing? Who the fuck is actually talking about this shit? Who? About 200 people on a message board. That's it. NOBODY thats a pure WWE mark will hear this and go "Wow, that's original, wonder how it's going to play out". So the question remains, what did this crap angle actually do to help TNA? Nothing. When is all this word of mouth going to actually translate into ratings? Hogan had TONS of word of mouth, he and everybody else, could only muster .2 better than their all time high.
Just like Finger poke of doom, oh yeah HA HA ya got one over on us. Too bad only a select few found it amusing.
Zeven_Zion
King Of The Ring
I don't know if you're a nimrod all the time or just now but review the facts.
Fact:It's been a month since they actively started to work with the company, appear on shows and "make changes". If you expect them to make the product top freaking notch in a month then you're in for a big surprise. It won't take a month, it'll take years. Sit back and wait.
Fact: TNA seems a lot like WWE/WCW right now because of all the old names. Yes, that's true. But are the old names getting pushed through the roof? Are the old names hogging anything? No. Look at the current Champions. Is AJ a former WWE/WCW guy? No. Is he fighting a former WCW/WWE guys? No. Are The Nasty Boys the tag team champions? No.
The old guys are there to push the new guys and to promote the product. Without them TNA would have never EVER EVER EVER gotten anywhere. They're advertisments with legs. Managers. Backstage advisors. Nothing more than that.
They are taking shots at Vince because ... well weren't WE the ones who continiously pleaded for another Monday Night War? Aren't we the ones that want to see that?
I personally want to see Vince get his ass WHIPPED week in and week out. This whole "making TNA the number one company" thing is not just a pretty gimmick. Hogan and Bischoff learned their lesson. They scrwed up but they're not idiots. They'll go for the top spot and since they don't have Uncle Scrooge's credit card they'll have to bite, crawl and low blow their way to the top and honestly - it's a lot better that way.
No your the nimrod my friend. Just by making a few shots at WWE is not going to mean anything if their putting out out a sub par product. They have to be hitting on all cylinders because they don't have even half of the audience the WWE has even if WWE has a crappy product right now.
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