WTF? TNA just pulled a remake of the Montreal screw job!

[Schizophrenic]

I think it was a greta idea to get people talking. Maybe not the most original thing around but I would like to see someone write something that would get AJ over as a heel RIGHT NOW and not be the normal I beat everyone and I am a bit cocky so hate me? That's exactly like trying to make a Pope a heel right now.

 

[xJAYxJAYx]

Wow guy. Did you just say that... Tell me you did not just say THAT. If TNA wants to get AJ over as a heel, why not try to write something that can be his own and not doing so cheap knock off of an actual scandal from over 10 years ago. Je

Once again, like myself and a few others have said, they did tonight's ending simply to take a shot at WWE, to get Styles over as a heel, to help build a bigger upcoming storyline, most likely a stable war, and to get people talking. It's that simple.

If you or anyone else doesn't like it, you don't have to watch. It's pretty easy. I dislike Raw, so instead of complaining about it, I have turned it off, and haven't even watched an episode of Raw in almost 6 months now.

 

[CBCS]

AJ doing the heel tactics are so that they can push him as a.........wait for it......HEEL! What a concept a bad guy doing bad things to get people to hate him. Holy shit he is doing his job. Stop being so damn internet smarky and enjoy the show as a fan. Is it too much to ask for people to get rid of reality for a moment and enjoy the show? We can do it for soap operas and tv shows but we can't do it for wrestling? Isnt that why we got into wrestling as kids? Do we look at tv shows and go "that's bs those two are good friends, why are they fighting on screen if they like each other in real life?" Takes away from the fun doesn't it?

Very well said. Everyone gets to caught up in who is better. TNA or WWE. People are forgetting what its all about and read why to much into it. Takes the fun away for most people. Watch it for the show and see what happens.

 

[FromTheSouth]

Really? Listen, I've been being patient. I'm not one of these new viewers since 1/4. I've been trying to get into TNA for a couple of years now and it's only gotten worse since Hogoff has come in.

Tell me what you are looking for in a wrestling show? To be honest, I am looking for some kind of drama. I know the fighting is fake, and if I want to watch gymnastics, I will watch gymnastics. I want compelling television that draws me in as a viewer. Shows like this draw me in. There are so many ways that the show can go from here. I don't want everything tied up in a neat little bow from week to week. TNA does a great job of building things slowly. Everyone shit on the MEM at first, but the last three months of it were awesome, including the way it was killed.

This is the kind of shit I watch for. It was compelling. It drew me in. It made me want to watch next week. Did anything about Raw make you want to watch next week? I almost watch Raw out of habit now. I watch TNA because I love it.

This is just a small example of how bad the show was as a whole today.

I think this was an awesome show. TNA admitted that it was starting over when it brought Hogan in. They need to have shows like this to get angles going. If there had been a lot of wrestling, it would have looked like filler, and odds are people would have been in here bitching about the pointless matches and lack of directions.

Like I said, it reminded me of WCW 2000. These are shows for people with short attention spans and short term memory loss.

I disagree. The show is doing what it can to leave you with a cliffhanger every week. I don't see how this is for people with short attention spans. It is Russo-esque crash TV, but everyone around here pines for the Attitude Era, so they should love it.

Very little makes sense at this point and if you read the spoilers,

I don't.

it's not going to improve over the next couple of weeks.

Seeing it is different than reading it. That's all I can say here, as I will never read the spoilers, so I don't know. All I do know is that I am loving it right now.

I will gladly debate with you any point you would like, but I gotta hear from you what exactly was wonderful about tonight's show and specifically, why it's a good idea to take a guy who was beating the best opponent he had (Angle) clean and make it like he needs to cheat to win now?

Because they have beaten each other clean time and time again, so they are both showing respect to each other. Secondly, it facilitates turning AJ, which is hard to do. The Impact Zone does not boo and cheer who they're told to, so TNA needs to resort to something drastic to get people to boo AJ. Third, it further's the Flair vs. Hogan storyline. You've got heels working well together and faces who are disorganized, who over the next few weeks, are going to need to find a way to come together to get control back, much less the belts. I could book the show from here on, and I could do it five different ways.

I also liked that they have set up four separate factions. One is Hogan's, one is Flair's, one will be JJ's, and the other will be Foley's. I don't know about you, but I love stable wars, and the idea of having four distinct factions, with four distinct goals kind of forces me to raise an eyebrow at the possible match-ups, feuds, and teams. Remember, TNA is notorious for slow builds, and given time, this could be awesome.

It's ok to use dirty tactics IN the match like low blows to show the connection to Flair, but the kid needs to win by being better

But he has. Flair beat Race be being better, and then defended that title be being dirty. They want to connect AJ to Flair, so this is how they are doing it. I am sure that AJ will get plenty of clean wins, but will resort to the dirty tricks to win title matches.

and showboat that fact. Please, justify this and sell me on why I should continue to watch TNA.

Look, I made my case. If you don't want to watch it, then don't. TNA is giving me what I want out of a wrestling show. If you want something different, then by all means, go watch midgets wrestle Napolean Dynamite.

 

[Dexter]

Judging by the 3 pages (in standard view) of comments on this one single angle not 45 minutes after the show ended, I'd say it did its job. We're all talking about it. Whether you loved it or hated about it, you care, and as much as you protest, I bet you watch Impact next Thursday to see what happens next.

Mission accomplished.

 

[Rated_R_Edgehead]

What the Wwe should do, if they wanted to be bitchy, would be to call out all the tna taped events live on raw, just like what E.B did during the first Monday Night Wars, getting raws taped events and calling them out live on air.

Also, I truely hope I'm not the only one that is confused with who to cheer for and who to boo in Tna right now, it's really confusing, granted I cheer for the heel team most of the time, but when heels go up against heels, it just makes it confusing as to which one is meant to be the face, hopefully they can clear that mess up!

 

[DexVendetta88]

Well at least we all know where TNA is getting their material from for one thing lol! But seriously, this is by far the biggest ripoff I've seen in years. TNA took one of the most infamous events (which by the way had a very detailed and legit background surrounding it) in pro wrestling and they turned it into "that"! This was just a good example of how "creative" TNA really is at the moment, and I say this sarcastically. First they downgrade the X Division to a brand new low, they get rid of the six-sided ring (not that I got a problem with it), and now they're re-hashing and ripping off storylines and angles from over 10 years ago. TNA is heading in a direction that will make them meet the same of WCW. At this point I don't whether to feel sick, or to start throwing shit at the wall. In other words, I'm just really disgusted with TNA at the moment, period.

 

[JJYanks121]

JJYanks, if you dont want to watch anymore then don't. One person not watching isn't going to hurt the company. You may not enjoy everything and if ya dont that's fine. But if you are just gonna shit all over the company then turn on Mondays and tell me without a smile that you enjoy midgits and actors on your tv every monday on a wrestling show.

I said it's getting hard to watch. However, I would never want to be accused of making observations without going to the dance. In fact, in the past couple of months, I've attended shows in my area (NY) to get an up close perspective of the current products. The thing is, I'm not a "mark" for either company. I'm a level headed person who has always had a passion for professional wrestling and I hold it in high regard. With that said, it's fine if you want to simply attack me instead of debate me. It says to me that you are like a bully on a playground. You'll defend yourself but not give any reasons as to why.

Listen, I'm rooting for TNA. I do believe in competition and I do like that I can see wrestling almost every day of the week right now. However, I am also a critical viewer and that applies to WWE and TNA. The difference is, I will be critical of stories and characters in WWE while TNA, it's not just the stories. The production value has been poor (see the closeup of the bottom half of the screen when Hogan was coming out for like a minute and the delay in Kennedy's mic coming down) and the matches were poor. I will grant the last match as being decent until the finish, but most of the rest were not. Hell, the Nastys and Nash looked to be in slow motion, but yet the Nastys got a pin on a rising star who I like a lot in Eric Young.

I'm not going to talk about how WWE has done the angle of "screwjob" and it's ok. Truthfully, I'm not all that upset about using it because it's been done 100 times before. The thing I argued, which nobody picked up apparently, is that I dont' agree with the booking of Styles in 2 straight "screwy" finishes because he had recently beat the same guy clean. When you do a "screw" finish, it should happen when you are beat and you have never gotten the best of your opponent so you resort to "extraordinary" measures. That's not what happened and it was odd booking. That is my thought in regards to Genesis and tonight's main event.

I'm willing to discuss intelligently anything that gets put on the table, but in my effort to enjoy wrestling, I can't tell you that I much enjoy the product put before me tonight. And in reading forward, I don't see improvement immediately imminent. The other issue I have is that the TNA marks who have supported the company for a while now, some are still backing it when tonight was not showing the best of their product. There was no X-division stuff, no mention of Kendrick debuting, no mention of Hardy of Shannon Moore, no Daniels, no Joe, no Beer Money, no MSMG. My enjoyment would have risen if any of those san Joe were on the program I think. Let's have a civilized discussion and not just take shots that are uncalled for.

 

[VencomHardcore]

It's more than getting people to talk about your product that counts. You want people talking for the right reason: Quality content , High Flying Action, Amazing Finishes, Excellent Promos and Character Depth .

TNA is not in a position to be taking jabs when they can't produce more than 29 minutes of wrestling in 2 hours ! No. TNA has alot of work to do. And this ' they need to build AJ as a heel stuff ' is not a valid reason to do a bad job of selling the heel turn. There are at least 10 ways I can think of that would have worked and been more compelling.

The TNA fans are complaining on TNA's Forum so it's not smarks but the faithful and new viewers that are not pleased with the product now. It comes down to using your publicity to show how great your company is. Unfortunately, Hogan has not shown WWE fans a reason to make the switch. As a business owner, I wouldn't waste my marketing dollar on casual shoppers [ casual wrestling fans ] but if this is what Hogan wants, I am sad for those originals that went through hell for years to get TNA to where it is.

 

[daddyJ_t]

stable wars would be rather cool to watch as long as it wasnt the whole nwo black and white vs wolfpac vs wcw and done more like wwe dx vs n.o.d. vs the bikers( whatver their names were) vs the latino group( couldnt begin to spell their name) that would be fun to watch. and as for tna "starting over", why dont they start over instead of rehashing in incident that happened 12 years ago that wasnt even a storyline?starting over i thought was launching in a new direction, not repeating something else that someone else did?

 

[INDYjon22]

What the Wwe should do, if they wanted to be bitchy, would be to call out all the tna taped events live on raw, just like what E.B did during the first Monday Night Wars, getting raws taped events and calling them out live on air.

Also, I truely hope I'm not the only one that is confused with who to cheer for and who to boo in Tna right now, it's really confusing, granted I cheer for the heel team most of the time, but when heels go up against heels, it just makes it confusing as to which one is meant to be the face, hopefully they can clear that mess up!

I hope you are kidding by suggesting this. Yes, Easy E did do this back during the Monday Night Wars and what did it do, do you remember? It failed miserable. That was the night that everything turned around and the WWE began to pick up speed and eventually run WCW out of business. Vince should not do this out of fear of history.

History proved that revealing pre taped results only makes the audience at home that much more interested in seeing it happen. Granted that was the night Mick Foley won the title and was historic but Vince should not play with fire. The WWE should do what it always does and just move on.

 

[Dexter]

It's more than getting people to talk about your product that counts. You want people talking for the right reason: Quality content , High Flying Action, Amazing Finishes, Excellent Promos and Character Depth .

Any publicity is good publicity. TNA's biggest issue right now is that they need to make a name for themselves and get the word out, and to do that, they have to do some pretty out-there shit to get people talking. I was having a conversation with someone a couple of days ago and he mentioned wrestling, and I said I was a big fan. He went on to talk about WWE for 15 minutes, to which I replied "I'm really more of a TNA fan"... his response? "Is that a women's wrestling federation or something?"

Not a good sign, and that's what they're trying to fix. So yeah, maybe you're saying "TNA SUCKS!" but at least you're saying TNA. That's a step in the right direction.

 

[daddyJ_t]

What the Wwe should do, if they wanted to be bitchy, would be to call out all the tna taped events live on raw, just like what E.B did during the first Monday Night Wars, getting raws taped events and calling them out live on air.

Also, I truely hope I'm not the only one that is confused with who to cheer for and who to boo in Tna right now, it's really confusing, granted I cheer for the heel team most of the time, but when heels go up against heels, it just makes it confusing as to which one is meant to be the face, hopefully they can clear that mess up!

and that would the stupidest thing wwe could do revealing results like that. it would affect any rating wwe superstars may have. look what it did when wcw did it. that very moment was the turning point in the monday night wars. turning back to wwe that is

 

[justinept]

Great idea by TNA ... their biggest competition has an on-going storyline that involves the actual players that were involved in this real life incident, and TNA tries to sell a knockoff version at the same time. It isn't that TNA did this, it's the timing of it that baffles me.

Btw, did anyone find it hypocritical that Angle was bleeped out the entire segment, cursing left and right when the TNA production director told the crowd the next day that they weren't to curse ... the TNA production director pleaded that there were kids in the crowd who didn't need to hear those words...

 

[phlewfy]

I loved it! I thought last weeks Impact! was lame, and was worried for a second that Hogan/Bischoff may not have been such a good idea. Then they go and totally redeem themselves with what I think was an excellent episode of Impact!. Not only are people already pissed off and bellyaching over how terrible it is that they ripped off WWE, but Hogan/Bischoff have now started planting the seeds of what are sure to be some of the best feuds in the business this year. Hogan/Bischoff are turning heel (even though they have been from day 1), Angle and Foley are fed up and will fight the power until the end. Throw in Jarrett, Flair, Styles, The Band, Mr. Anderson, Sting, Samoa Joe, and the rest of the talent in the locker room, and the future is looking bright. After "The Orlando Screwjob" I am no longer worried about what direction TNA is going in. TNA will be just fine.

 

[Schizophrenic]

I said it's getting hard to watch. However, I would never want to be accused of making observations without going to the dance. In fact, in the past couple of months, I've attended shows in my area (NY) to get an up close perspective of the current products. The thing is, I'm not a "mark" for either company. I'm a level headed person who has always had a passion for professional wrestling and I hold it in high regard. With that said, it's fine if you want to simply attack me instead of debate me. It says to me that you are like a bully on a playground. You'll defend yourself but not give any reasons as to why.

Read other posts and other topics, I defend all my point with valid evidence. Im sure you do too. I repstect that in people. Im not a bully, like you I am trying to get people to give reasons to why they feel a certain way. Not many on here seem to do that.

Listen, I'm rooting for TNA. I do believe in competition and I do like that I can see wrestling almost every day of the week right now. However, I am also a critical viewer and that applies to WWE and TNA. The difference is, I will be critical of stories and characters in WWE while TNA, it's not just the stories. The production value has been poor (see the closeup of the bottom half of the screen when Hogan was coming out for like a minute and the delay in Kennedy's mic coming down) and the matches were poor. I will grant the last match as being decent until the finish, but most of the rest were not. Hell, the Nastys and Nash looked to be in slow motion, but yet the Nastys got a pin on a rising star who I like a lot in Eric Young.

Production value is in the eye of the beholder. TNA has had some issues but let's not forget about how many times WWE has missed music cues (Kofi) or screwed up shots. So what if a mic doesn't come down quick enough? In the long run does it really screw up the whole show? I think not.

I'm not going to talk about how WWE has done the angle of "screwjob" and it's ok. Truthfully, I'm not all that upset about using it because it's been done 100 times before. The thing I argued, which nobody picked up apparently, is that I dont' agree with the booking of Styles in 2 straight "screwy" finishes because he had recently beat the same guy clean. When you do a "screw" finish, it should happen when you are beat and you have never gotten the best of your opponent so you resort to "extraordinary" measures. That's not what happened and it was odd booking. That is my thought in regards to Genesis and tonight's main event.

They may be doing an angle where people dont think AJ can keep the belt without screwing people over which turns AJ into a guy who feels he needs to prove which would eventually turn him face again but it's the big picture you have to think about. AJ did just what you said the screwy finishes need to happen when you are beat. Angle had AJ in the Ankle Lock and had him tapping. So he resorted to cheating. Same tonight. Angle seemingly had AJ beat so he screwed him

I'm willing to discuss intelligently anything that gets put on the table, but in my effort to enjoy wrestling, I can't tell you that I much enjoy the product put before me tonight. And in reading forward, I don't see improvement immediately imminent. The other issue I have is that the TNA marks who have supported the company for a while now, some are still backing it when tonight was not showing the best of their product. There was no X-division stuff, no mention of Kendrick debuting, no mention of Hardy of Shannon Moore, no Daniels, no Joe, no Beer Money, no MSMG. My enjoyment would have risen if any of those san Joe were on the program I think. Let's have a civilized discussion and not just take shots that are uncalled for.

Why are we as fans not allowed to enjoy a produc if they have an off show. Millions of people watched RAW and SmackDown even though it sucked worse than the suckiest thing that ever sucked. God forbid we be fans and still appreciate what was put in front of us. Was it WrestleMania? No but it's wrestling and we are wrestling fans and by god I will enjoy it when it's on. It doesnt have to be perfect all the time to be a fan of it. They showed Kendrick at the beginning quickly which is a way for people to go, "Did I just been Brian Kendrick?" They will watch, check out the site and see that he has a match I believe next week. They will tune in to see it. Hardy is doing legal stuff, why would he be on a show to help his prosecution in sayng that he is not taking the trial seriously. Shannon hasn't officially debuted yet and they will hold him off a bit until he shows up. Daniels (kayfabe) should be off licking his wounds for losing on a PPV to a newcomer to the company after main eventing the past two and wondering what his next move will be. Beer Money is the only guys you said who should have been on here. Joe will show up next week but for tonight (kayfabe) should be watching to see what AJ is gonna do since he holds a guaranteed title shot.

 

[Suneeboy]

I laugh at the ignorance that some people post here. It has been years since we get over the top angles, and things that get you talking and worked up. People complain about nothing happening, but then TNA comes along, Hogan joins, and everyone is talking about it. Everyone is getting worked up over it...and watching it every single week.

This weeks show was just the beginning. They are slowly building this up into a non-stop chaotic show where everyone is trying to get their way. Egos are going to clash on television. The worked shoots are phenominal.

People need to stop being smarks and just watch wrestling. TNA is not afraid to take risks, and while I don't agree with every single thing they do, I do see where they are taking the company and I like it.

I can't even WATCH WWE television anymore. Would you rather watch that, then what you just saw close this Thursday's Impact? Are you telling me you don't give a shit about what happens next week? You are lying your fucking ass off if you say you don't want to know what happens...I know I sure do.

Um, yeah........ All I have to say is.......

Little Peoples Court.

I will happily watch TNAs version of a Montreal Screw Job or DX going under the ring and going to Little Peoples Court. Thanks.

Edit to say Amen to this poster for this.

 

[JJYanks121]

Read other posts and other topics, I defend all my point with valid evidence. Im sure you do too. I repstect that in people. Im not a bully, like you I am trying to get people to give reasons to why they feel a certain way. Not many on here seem to do that.


Production value is in the eye of the beholder. TNA has had some issues but let's not forget about how many times WWE has missed music cues (Kofi) or screwed up shots. So what if a mic doesn't come down quick enough? In the long run does it really screw up the whole show? I think not.


They may be doing an angle where people dont think AJ can keep the belt without screwing people over which turns AJ into a guy who feels he needs to prove which would eventually turn him face again but it's the big picture you have to think about. AJ did just what you said the screwy finishes need to happen when you are beat. Angle had AJ in the Ankle Lock and had him tapping. So he resorted to cheating. Same tonight. Angle seemingly had AJ beat so he screwed him


Why are we as fans not allowed to enjoy a produc if they have an off show. Millions of people watched RAW and SmackDown even though it sucked worse than the suckiest thing that ever sucked. God forbid we be fans and still appreciate what was put in front of us. Was it WrestleMania? No but it's wrestling and we are wrestling fans and by god I will enjoy it when it's on. It doesnt have to be perfect all the time to be a fan of it.

Schizo, I appreciate you coming back and debating points with me. I just didn't appreciate the attack that it seemed like. As long as we can debate without too much venom, I am more than happy to discuss with you.

As for tonight, I wasn't impressed. We will have to agree to disagree on that. To be fair, I thought after Ric Flair's rambling that the opening segment was actually decent and set up the main event for the night. After that though, I didn't think much of the show. The Morgan/Hernandez match was ok but the finish was weird and Mick Foley coming out was weirder. My biggest problem with this is that Morgan was getting a main event push by going to the limit with Angle and then gets quickly put in a tag team. Given the current state of the product and the Styles heel turn (which I'm not a fan of but you know that already), Morgan would have been a perfect face to oppose Styles' heel. Morgan could have been "the new face" of TNA as he's never been on top before. Perhaps it's a pipe dream to begin with, but I just dont' feel a tag team run was necessary. This is more evident in the coming weeks but I dont' want to give anything away.

I know you agree that the Nastys are a waste and having them pin rising star Eric Young just sucks. There is nothing good that can come of that.

I would also say that a company that made a name for itself with its special X-division to not have a match of that kind on the show is kinda bad.

As for your claim that production value is in the eye of the beholder, it's a known thing that WWE production values are very high. Yes, we can nitpick as there will always be screwups since no one is perfect, but TNA has work to do in that department. I do think it's fixable, but it is something that they can't be satisfied with at the moment.

I will not stop you from enjoying TNA. If you felt tonight was a quality show, power to you. I just cannot agree. There's just too much I cannot get excited about at this point. I sincerely hope that at some point moving forward that I'm wrong, but with the company in the hands of the guys who built but then destroyed WCW and have already made the product something that to me, resembles late WCW, I'm not sure how positive I can be for the future. Again, I want to me, but it's not easy right now.

 

[DirtyJosé]

@Schizo

What you don't get is that's not about making AJ look heel. It's not about getting WWE fans talking. It's not about "war". It's about the fact that it's a carbon copy of WWE. Which is fine, if you aren't talking about being "anti-sports entertainment" or about providing a real alternative.

It's cheap, it was done poorly (no announcer support at all....and at least in WCW those problems were because they never told them anything about what was going to happen....it's been shown that TNA uses scripts.

 

[EGfan4life]

All I'm going to say is Hogan is an asshole for stealing Vinny Mac's material. And I really hope Angle leaves that shithole of a company and goes back to his roots, in the WWE. I just started watching TNA regularly back in October and just when shit started getting pretty good, Hogan pulls this bullshit? The wrestling business is one place you should not apply the "history repeats itself" line to. For one, wrestling is supposed to be entertaining, so you shouldn't use the same storyline over again, especially a screwjob. When WWE did it with Taker/Punk, that worked because no one expected it. But since Hart came back, TNA has been scrambling in the back, figuring out ways to compete with WWE......and it's not working. PG or not, WWE is the premiere organization. Case closed.

 

[INDYjon22]

All I'm going to say is Hogan is an asshole for stealing Vinny Mac's material. And I really hope Angle leaves that shithole of a company and goes back to his roots, in the WWE. I just started watching TNA regularly back in October and just when shit started getting pretty good, Hogan pulls this bullshit? The wrestling business is one place you should not apply the "history repeats itself" line to. For one, wrestling is supposed to be entertaining, so you shouldn't use the same storyline over again, especially a screwjob. When WWE did it with Taker/Punk, that worked because no one expected it. But since Hart came back, TNA has been scrambling in the back, figuring out ways to compete with WWE......and it's not working. PG or not, WWE is the premiere organization. Case closed.

You should never recycle storylines in wrestling? Every storyline has been recycled. The truth is their are only about 10 different storylines to go with anyways and what they do is build around it. It is not like this hasn't been going on for years. Sure this one looked like the Montreal Screwjob but what about when Vince McMahon and The Rock screwed Hulk Hogan in Montreal at No Way Out back in 2003?

This is not anything new and everyone is blowing this way out of proportion and the only reason because of that is because another company used the angle. If WWE had the Undertaker and Shawn Michaels wrestle on Raw this Monday and did this angle none of you would have a problem with it because it was being done by the same company.

TNA is just doing what it has to do to create a buzz and it has obviously worked since all of us are talking about it. Just wait it out because this is building up for something that could actually be good by TNA standards.

 

[FromTheSouth]

All I'm going to say is Hogan is an asshole for stealing Vinny Mac's material.

You got worked. They used that ending to establish a power struggle angle. Everything TNA has been doing has been to get people to say man, that's stupid. Then, the people who think it's stupid, will see that WWE did it, realize that they are being worked, and the tune in for some compelling television.

And I really hope Angle leaves that shithole of a company and goes back to his roots, in the WWE.

1. Angle's roots are in the amateurs.

2. There is no way in hell Angle is leaving. He was at the top of the company, along with AJ, and Hogan and Flair has decided to push them to the top of the business? Did you think he was really going to leave? It was all a work.

I just started watching TNA regularly back in October and just when shit started getting pretty good, Hogan pulls this bullshit?

Dude, the show is better than ever before. Ratings are up 20%. They will gladly lose you to gain five others.

The wrestling business is one place you should not apply the "history repeats itself" line to.

Don't end sentences in prepositions. Also, wrestling is nothing but history repeating itself. It has been about good vs. evil since day one, and while the current product blurs the lines, it is still the same struggle.

For one, wrestling is supposed to be entertaining, so you shouldn't use the same storyline over again, especially a screwjob.

I bet you're going to tell me in a minute that WWE doing it again is fine.

When WWE did it with Taker/Punk, that worked because no one expected it.

So you expected this one? By your logic, you are either a prophet, which is doutful, because judging by this post God wouldn't choose you to pass his word because you can barely speak, or you're a hypocrite.

But since Hart came back, TNA has been scrambling in the back, figuring out ways to compete with WWE......and it's not working.

Really? Bret being on screen for fifteen minutes saved WWE? Have you watched WWE TV? A midget pinned Napolean Dynamite to win the main event. You have to be kidding.

PG or not, WWE is the premiere organization.

For now.

Case closed.

Far from it.

 

[Hulkamaniac]

All I'm going to say is Hogan is an asshole for stealing Vinny Mac's material. And I really hope Angle leaves that shithole of a company and goes back to his roots, in the WWE. I just started watching TNA regularly back in October and just when shit started getting pretty good, Hogan pulls this bullshit? The wrestling business is one place you should not apply the "history repeats itself" line to. For one, wrestling is supposed to be entertaining, so you shouldn't use the same storyline over again, especially a screwjob. When WWE did it with Taker/Punk, that worked because no one expected it. But since Hart came back, TNA has been scrambling in the back, figuring out ways to compete with WWE......and it's not working. PG or not, WWE is the premiere organization. Case closed.

LOL, what a joke. "WRESTLING SHOULD NEVER REPEAT ITSELF....unless it's the WWE doing it...then it can repeat itself." And as for Hogan "stealing Vinnie Mac' material", Vinnie Mac's been stealing material for years (and years...and years). This whole post is a clusterf*ck of fail. You criticized TNA for repeating the past...and then praised WWE for doing the same thing. All in the span of one paragraph. Yeesh.

 

[EGfan4life]

I'm not saying you should never recycle storylines, I'm just saying, you shouldn't steal another company's concept for a cheap pop. You must be original if you want to succeed. Stealing other people's ideas gets old after awhile. Just like if WWE stole TNA's X-Division concept, I'd be pissed because I know WWE is better than that.

Basically what I'm saying is, storylines will be used over and over again but big storylines like that can't really be imitated that well without people getting pissed. When Orton kissed Triple H's wife in front of him, I saw creative genius all over it. That's originality, that's never really been seen before.

 

[Schizophrenic]

What you don't get is that's not about making AJ look heel. It's not about getting WWE fans talking. It's not about "war". It's about the fact that it's a carbon copy of WWE. Which is fine, if you aren't talking about being "anti-sports entertainment" or about providing a real alternative.

It's cheap, it was done poorly (no announcer support at all....and at least in WCW those problems were because they never told them anything about what was going to happen....it's been shown that TNA uses scripts.

The company isin no way a carbon copy. I see no midgits on skateboard and I see no c class actors on my screen. The angle yeah it's been done but again WWEhas done it and no one jumps down their gullets.

The announcers were selling it the way they should have. With stunned silence. If that happened for real what do you think they would have done. Screamed and yelled and jumped up and down. No! They were supposed to be stunned and surprised, they acted that way.