Will Chris Benoit ever be inducted in the the WWE Hall of Fame?

[Little Jerry Lawler]

What Benoit did outside the ring should not affect his legacy inside the ring. I bet 90%-95% of the current hall of famers haven't been squeaky clean themselves so honor is irrelevant even since they let anybody in these days. Benoit was good enough overseas, WCW, and in the WWE to warrant a hall of fame spot. It may be a long, long time but I do believe he will get in.

 

[mister630]

No way. The media backlash would be unbearable for the WWE. He killed his wife, his son, and himself. Putting him in the Hall would be like WWE is making an excuse for his actions. "Yes he killed three people, including himself, but he was a great wrestler!" That's not a message WWE wants to send to people. That's not a message anyone should want to send to people. Hell, I will even go so far as to say this could lead to them being blamed for the deaths of others even moreso than they are now. We've all heard stories about wrestling fans killing someone because they're doing moves on them. We all have to sit through the "Please, DON'T try this at home" at the beginning of every DVD. But could you imagine if a wrestling fan committed murder? The first thing the media would blame is WWE. "Sources have confirmed that he is a huge fan of WWE, the organization that has recently inducted a murderer, Chris Benoit, into their Hall of Fame and even had a TV special and a DVD released where they sing the praises of this monster." Not good PR. No way in hell WWE will EVER let Benoit in.

 

[Spaceman Spif]

Jesus jumped up Christ.... really? Come on people how many damn times is this topic going to be discussed, do a little research on the forums, find the other fifty plus thread dedicated to this topic.

Anyways to answer the question... hell no. I don't care how big a legend he is in wrestling, the man murdered his son and wife, he will never get into the Hall Of Fame, it's like wondering if The Devil will ever get into Heaven. Ain't gonna happen, no way, no how.

 

[Sparky]

I beliave he should. It counts his wrestling abilities. not his fucking pass time. Look at all the wrestlers that abuse women, Adddicted to hard arse drugs ect that ARE ALREADY IN THE HOF. I know that he killed two people and he shouln't of done it, but if the WWE ignore everyone else's pass time why not ignore Benoits.

 

[HBK-aholic]

It's never going to happen, and if you think it is you're delusional. I'm a huge Benoit fan, he was one of my favourites before his death, and is still one of my favourite wrestlers of all time. He has had some great matches over the years, and as fans I still think we are allowed to enjoy them regardless of the circumstances surrounding the death of him and his family.

That being said, if I were McMahon, I'd have acted similarly in not mentioning any of his accomplishments anymore, and that extends to not allowing him into the Hall of Fame. What happened with Benoit is horrible press for the WWE, and pro-wrestling as a whole. I'd argue what Benoit did caused irrepairable damage to the reputation of the industry, and I really doubt McMahon would increase that by allowing the murderer of a young boy (as well as his wife) to be inducted. Take a second just to think about the news reports you'd see about this, would any of them be positive?

 

[slimmshady]

Benoit gave up all rights to be honored by his peers and fans when he took the life of a woman and in innocent child..period. Like I've said before let's see you or anyone else go and tell Nancy Toffoloni's family that the man who took their daughter and grandson from them should be given a place in a Hall of honor and respect.

and as far as Tiger Wood's goes, one infidelity means you're human and made a mistake, twelve infidelities means you have no respect for your wife and children and the only reason he feels bad and apologized is because he got caught. If you want to go and screw every woman available to you then there is something called "don't get married"...period end of story. There is no honor in what he did, great golfer or not.

know one is saying to celebrate what he did to his wife and son and if he gave up his rights then why has this same topic being debated over and over again by the fans? The truth is a lot of us feel that his accomplishments in the ring shouldn't be overshadowed by what he did in his personal life. As far as I'm concerned, he did what he thought was right. Now in our eyes, it may seem morally wrong and horrific, but through his eyes, he saw it differently. Like I said before, this is why sport will never be fully respectable through many eyes.

 

[harrythem]

I've said it elsewhere and I'll say it again. The fact that there are, at this point 14, pages of about the 50th time this topic is posted is in itself wrong.
Benoit will never be inducted into any hall of fame PEROID and the fact that there are people arguing a case for why he should be inducted shows why the world views us wrestling fans as the lowest of the low/inbred red-necks!

Was he amazing in the ring? Yes! Could he make anyone he wrestle look brilliant? Yes! Did he copy most of his act from the Dynamite Kid? Yes! But he also ended his life in horrific circumstances and thus ended his right to be honoured! Look at Pete Rose, all he did was bet on HIS OWN TEAM to win a match and he was kicked out of baseballs hall of fame. So if a man with legitimate achievements in a real sport can get kicked out for rather trivial thing then how can someone who's got the stigma (culpable or not) or murder hanging over his head?
While we're at it we might as well induct Stalin into a hall of fame as, yeah he ended up killing millions of people but, he did bring Russia back from the brink and turned it into a world super power (we'll just ignore the horrors he caused in shall we?)

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

I've said it elsewhere and I'll say it again. The fact that there are, at this point 14, pages of about the 50th time this topic is posted is in itself wrong.
Benoit will never be inducted into any hall of fame PEROID and the fact that there are people arguing a case for why he should be inducted shows why the world views us wrestling fans as the lowest of the low/inbred red-necks!

Was he amazing in the ring? Yes! Could he make anyone he wrestle look brilliant? Yes! Did he copy most of his act from the Dynamite Kid? Yes! But he also ended his life in horrific circumstances and thus ended his right to be honoured! Look at Pete Rose, all he did was bet on HIS OWN TEAM to win a match and he was kicked out of baseballs hall of fame. So if a man with legitimate achievements in a real sport can get kicked out for rather trivial thing then how can someone who's got the stigma (culpable or not) or murder hanging over his head?
While we're at it we might as well induct Stalin into a hall of fame as, yeah he ended up killing millions of people but, he did bring Russia back from the brink and turned it into a world super power (we'll just ignore the horrors he caused in shall we?)

You're really trying to compare killing millions of people to killing two people and yourself. How stupid does that sound?

Benoit may have ended his right to be honored outside the ring but he hasn't ended that honor inside the ring. I do not think his personal life should have much affect concerning the hall of fame because you have plenty and plenty of people in the hall of fame who are not saints themselves. So should we honor and respect Stone Cold even if we know that he beats his wife? Benoit was a damn good wrestler and should be in the hall of fame but that's not going to happen as long as a McMahon is running the WWE.

 

[harrythem]

It was a stupid comparison, and it was meant to be one, as that's my opinion on the whole subject, it's a ridiculous argument yet, even with that, there would be a handle of fruit loops that'd probably agree with what I wrote (which is the scariest thing)!

Benoit in any hall of fame will not happen no matter who's in charge because, quite simply, that'd finish off that hall of fame as who would ever accept being nominated to have their career highlighted in the same place as him?

And to call my statement about Stalin stupid yet then trying to say that as we've accepted wife beating we should accept murderers as well is rather strange. Austin was wrong for doing what he did, period, no argument from me on that. If Benoit had stopped at just the spousal abuse then he'd def be a shoe-in for the hall of fame but he didn't, he went over the line where he can be defended. Yes his brain was mush and yes he wasn't in his right mind but it doesn't excuse him from what he did, and you can guarantee Benoit himself knew that by doing that he would never get into a Hall Of Fame and I, for one, am glad he wont, as I've coped through HLA and necrophilia but him being in the Hall Of Fame would finish it for me.

Benoit can be remembered and praised for his work in the ring by the fans who want to but, really, there should be no worldwide acclaim for him because that'd be the worst and message you could send out to the world imaginable!

 

[Spaceman Spif]

I beliave he should. It counts his wrestling abilities. not his fucking pass time. Look at all the wrestlers that abuse women, Adddicted to hard arse drugs ect that ARE ALREADY IN THE HOF. I know that he killed two people and he shouln't of done it, but if the WWE ignore everyone else's pass time why not ignore Benoits.

Ok look I really don't agree with spousal or partner abuse, though I may make a bad joke about it from time to time, it's deplorable to me, drug addiction is just that an addiction, some get help for it some don't, that's by the by though. What you are doing though is comparing those two things to cold, calculated HOMICIDE, even if his brain was messed up. Look at Ali, look at the tons of football with the same conditions, they didn't kill their families, but Benoit did. He not only killed his wife which does trump slapping her around I am sad to say, but he killed his son. So you say we should overlook the simple fact that even though he is a murderer, we should still put him in the Hall Of Fame? That's ridiculous.

What Benoit did outside the ring should not affect his legacy inside the ring. I bet 90%-95% of the current hall of famers haven't been squeaky clean themselves so honor is irrelevant even since they let anybody in these days. Benoit was good enough overseas, WCW, and in the WWE to warrant a hall of fame spot. It may be a long, long time but I do believe he will get in.

Squeaky clean? Really that's what you are going with? Yeah to me a not so squeaky clean record does not compare to homicide, ya know. Really I mean, ok yeah Stone Cold slapped Debra around, which is horrible, but yes he got in, so have many others, but look around and tell me of another time when any pro athelete murdered and then got into a Hall Of Fame?

I know O.J. is in the Pro Football Hall Of Fame, but that was in 1985 and believe me I feel he should be taken out of the Hall Of Fame for what he did, or I believe he did, but let's not get into that, let's stick with I feel though he was a great football player he no longer deserves his spot.

This cases of domestic violence, drug abuse, addiction, minor crimes are blemishes on storied careers, that sadly is all, but what guys like Benoit and yes to me O.J. did obliderate anything they did in a ring or on a field. That's just me though.

 

[ilivewrestling]

Well im sorry....i disagree with alot of you...what most ppl dont understand (for those of you who believe in God...yes...ONE GOD THAT CREATED THIS EARTH)...is that he is a forgiving God....we humans put a degree on sins as if one is greater than the other....believe or not, but God places no degree on sin, meaning that Benoit murdering his family is no worse than someone robbing a bank....to God it's all the same,, and had Benoit lived, if he asked God for forgiveness & really meant it in his heart, than God would've forgiven him....we shouldn't judge Benoit like we do...that's God's job & his only....if we're talking about his career & contributions to the wrestling business ONLY, then yes, Benoit DESERVES to be in the hall of fame.....his outside life has nothing to do with it......if we're judging benoit on his CAREER as to wether or not he deserves a spot....why does his PERSONAL life have anything to do with a hall of fame that is based on wrestler's CAREERS & not their personal life...if Benoit did the crime then yes that is a horrindous crime, but the current hall of famers arent being judged on there personal life to be inducted....Ric Flair said it best in his HOF speech "For all we've done wrong, there must be something we did right"....i was watching the WWE Title Match btwn Kurt Angle & Benoit from the Royal Rumble 2003 & tears started flowing.....Benoit to Kurt Angle was like Steamboat to Flair, HBK to Bret Hart, Rock to Austin, HHH to Rock....i kno many of you disagree, but im just exercising my freedom of speech & opinion

 

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Chris Benoit has no chance in my opion to ever Make the wwe Hall Of Fame because of what he did to his Wife And Child and it would Give the wwe Really Bad Reputation.

 

[DL23]

Well im sorry....i disagree with alot of you...what most ppl dont understand (for those of you who believe in God...yes...ONE GOD THAT CREATED THIS EARTH)...is that he is a forgiving God....we humans put a degree on sins as if one is greater than the other....believe or not, but God places no degree on sin, meaning that Benoit murdering his family is no worse than someone robbing a bank....to God it's all the same,, and had Benoit lived, if he asked God for forgiveness & really meant it in his heart, than God would've forgiven him....we shouldn't judge Benoit like we do...that's God's job & his only....if we're talking about his career & contributions to the wrestling business ONLY, then yes, Benoit DESERVES to be in the hall of fame.....his outside life has nothing to do with it......if we're judging benoit on his CAREER as to wether or not he deserves a spot....why does his PERSONAL life have anything to do with a hall of fame that is based on wrestler's CAREERS & not their personal life...if Benoit did the crime then yes that is a horrindous crime, but the current hall of famers arent being judged on there personal life to be inducted....Ric Flair said it best in his HOF speech "For all we've done wrong, there must be something we did right"....i was watching the WWE Title Match btwn Kurt Angle & Benoit from the Royal Rumble 2003 & tears started flowing.....Benoit to Kurt Angle was like Steamboat to Flair, HBK to Bret Hart, Rock to Austin, HHH to Rock....i kno many of you disagree, but im just exercising my freedom of speech & opinion

Religion aside my friend, Benoit's wrestling career is amazing, he did a lot of great things and had a lot of great matches, and yes I consider Benoit/Angle to be in the top 3 wrestling feuds of all time.

I'm only gutted they didn't keep the tag team titles for longer then 2 weeks, i honestly thought they could of done more, but the Benoit/Angle feud could be put on DVD and you'd have a dvd filled with a bunch of 4-5 star matches.

But back to the HOF, people will judge him regardless, which WWE won't want that stigma of a double murder suicide being lablled with the HOF.

 

[JrX]

When you take a profession when your put in the public eye such as a celebrity, what you do outside of the wrestling ring DOES matter. Just because you have great talent doesn't justify you from doing whatver you want. Fans, kids, etc look up to you and idolize you and for that you have a responsibility. Why do you think the WWE is so keen on public image. Its freaken important. Now i know not everyone's perfect and yea some wrestlers in the HOF abused their wifes, but HOMICIDE is a different story. I don't even know why this issue is being debated.

Yea, ideally the HOF should only look at wrestling ability and blabhalhbalbhalbhalh but what everso-forgiving society are you people living in thinking that everyone would just look beyond his murder haha. Sorry this is 2010, where everything you do is being watched and used against you. CLEARLY the answer is NO he will not be in the HOF as WWE literally like pulled his name out of everything after they foudn out the truth behind death. You acutally think the WWE will induct him. If they did it prolly be like 50 years from now when they think people forgot about him.

SO YES ideally he should be in the HOF based soley on wrestling ability, but unforutnately its not folks.

 

[4horses]

ummm no offense to anyone here but Chris Benoit isn't a Hall of Famer without the murder mostless with it. Sure he wrestled some damn good matches, but so did a million other guys who don't deserve to be there. Maybe it's just me but if you have to ask the question, 'should this guy be in the HOF?' then the answer is no. He held the WWE title once and it was a give me because he worked hard throughout his career. He held the WCW title when it meant nothing. He had good matches but he wasn't a top draw ever, he wasn't the best wrestler ever, and he wasn't even close during his own time. I'm tired of the assumption just because you like someone they're a HOFer. Chris Benoit was never a HOFer. And to be truthful what he did only made that easier to see. In other words he's like a one time pro bowl running back in the NFL. Sure he had a good year but in all honesty. He was never and would've never been great.

 

[D-Man]

ummm no offense to anyone here but Chris Benoit isn't a Hall of Famer without the murder mostless with it. Sure he wrestled some damn good matches, but so did a million other guys who don't deserve to be there. Maybe it's just me but if you have to ask the question, 'should this guy be in the HOF?' then the answer is no. He held the WWE title once and it was a give me because he worked hard throughout his career. He held the WCW title when it meant nothing. He had good matches but he wasn't a top draw ever, he wasn't the best wrestler ever, and he wasn't even close during his own time. I'm tired of the assumption just because you like someone they're a HOFer. Chris Benoit was never a HOFer. And to be truthful what he did only made that easier to see. In other words he's like a one time pro bowl running back in the NFL. Sure he had a good year but in all honesty. He was never and would've never been great.

Are you high?!?!? Chris Benoit's ONLY reason to not be in the Hall of Fame is because of the double-murder suicide... and even THAT is arguable, as you can plainly see from this thread.

Chris Benoit is one of the greatest in-ring technicians of all time. He is a Royal Rumble winner and a winner at the main event of the 20th Anniversary of Wrestlemania. Not to mention a former WCW champion and multi-time IC, US, and tag champion. The guy has more qualifications for being inducted in the Hall of Fame in his pinky toe than 80% of current professional wrestlers.

Seriously, this is undisputable fact, and for you to think otherwise means that you don't have a grasp on professional wrestling, its art, or its history.

 

[Dave]

Are you high?!?!? Chris Benoit's ONLY reason to not be in the Hall of Fame is because of the double-murder suicide... and even THAT is arguable, as you can plainly see from this thread.

Chris Benoit is one of the greatest in-ring technicians of all time. He is a Royal Rumble winner and a winner at the main event of the 20th Anniversary of Wrestlemania. Not to mention a former WCW champion and multi-time IC, US, and tag champion. The guy has more qualifications for being inducted in the Hall of Fame in his pinky toe than 80% of current professional wrestlers.

Seriously, this is undisputable fact, and for you to think otherwise means that you don't have a grasp on professional wrestling, its art, or its history.

Yeah, I have to agree with you, D-Man. The only thing that is keeping Benoit out of the Hall of Fame is the murders. For me, watching Benoit was one of the reasons that I am a wrestling fan today and any one could see that he was one of the finest technicians that ever graced a wrestling ring. I could sit for hours and watch him have epic matches with Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho or Triple H. The fact of the matter, is that WWE put a lot of faith and effort into Chris Benoit and the circumstances around his death will forever tarnish the memories that he has created in the ring. For you to say that he was not Hall Of Fame material is absolutely ignorant.

Look at some of the people that are inducted into the Hall Of Fame yearly. I am not saying that they do not deserve it but Benoit has half of them beat in sheer wrestling ability alone. Benoit should be in the Hall Of Fame because of his wrestling pure talent and his work rate, not just in the WWE. However, I honestly cannot see it ever happening. The murders are just too much of an obstacle and I cannot see him being inducted in the next 20 years or even ever. I don't think the people affected by the murders would be best pleased and it would upset a lot of people. That being said, you never know.

 

[4horses]

Are you high?!?!? Chris Benoit's ONLY reason to not be in the Hall of Fame is because of the double-murder suicide... and even THAT is arguable, as you can plainly see from this thread.

Chris Benoit is one of the greatest in-ring technicians of all time. He is a Royal Rumble winner and a winner at the main event of the 20th Anniversary of Wrestlemania. Not to mention a former WCW champion and multi-time IC, US, and tag champion. The guy has more qualifications for being inducted in the Hall of Fame in his pinky toe than 80% of current professional wrestlers.

Seriously, this is undisputable fact, and for you to think otherwise means that you don't have a grasp on professional wrestling, its art, or its history.

No it's not arguable. Ask vince about it and I'm sure he'd tell anyone a sure fired answer. Just because some people will argue it doesn't mean the arguement is logical. He shouldn't be in the Hall of fame. Neither should Jeff Jarrett who is twice as decorated in the business. He's a multi-time champ, multi-time world champion. Us Champ, IC champ. Your point? The biggest impacts he ever made were negative.

He(benoit) was at best a medicore draw, at best a liability on the mic, and honestly he had less wrestling Skill than Malenko, Storm, or Regal. None of which will end up in the Hall of Fame. And as far as being more qualified than 80% of the guys in professional wrestling today that's not hard to believe. You're comparing a guy with 20 years in the business to some with five to ten.

The hall of fame should be for the best of the best, if you want to argue that it's a joke I'll agree. There are TONS of guys in there that shouldn't be. But if you're asking for a straight up yes or no answer to whether or not he should be in the HOF it's really easy for me to say no.

Edge, HBK, HHH, Sting,Jericho, and The Undertaker are the only people I can think of atm that I see as sure fire Hall of Famers without having a longer career.

 

[D-Man]

No it's not arguable. Ask vince about it and I'm sure he'd tell anyone a sure fired answer. Just because some people will argue it doesn't mean the arguement is logical. He shouldn't be in the Hall of fame. Neither should Jeff Jarrett who is twice as decorated in the business. He's a multi-time champ, multi-time world champion. Us Champ, IC champ. Your point? The biggest impacts he ever made were negative.

He(benoit) was at best a medicore draw, at best a liability on the mic, and honestly he had less wrestling Skill than Malenko, Storm, or Regal. None of which will end up in the Hall of Fame. And as far as being more qualified than 80% of the guys in professional wrestling today that's not hard to believe. You're comparing a guy with 20 years in the business to some with five to ten.

The hall of fame should be for the best of the best, if you want to argue that it's a joke I'll agree. There are TONS of guys in there that shouldn't be. But if you're asking for a straight up yes or no answer to whether or not he should be in the HOF it's really easy for me to say no.

Edge, HBK, HHH, Sting,Jericho, and The Undertaker are the only people I can think of atm that I see as sure fire Hall of Famers without having a longer career.

It's really a cop out to say that only the best of the best of the best should be in the HoF, such as Taker, HBK, HHH, etc. Chris Benoit was one of the WWE's mainstay, top superstars up until the time of his death. He was decorated through FOUR major promotions (but I'm assuming that your research never stretched back to his days in Japan).

What you say the Hall of Fame SHOULD be for, which is only a reflection of your personal opinion and obviously isn't the rule, is completely irrelevant. Fact of the matter is that wrestlers such as Koko B. Ware and the Junkyard Dog have been inducted and never didn't anything of major importance in the world of professional wrestling in terms of titles or drawing power.

The original poster asked is Chris Benoit SHOULD be inducted in the Hall of Fame. So, I will answer according to no one else's standards but the creators and moderators of the Hall of Fame; the WWE. If they can induct wrestlers like Koko and JYD, Chris Benoit would be a surefire inductee if it weren't for his past crimes.

It's obvious that you're not much of a Chris Benoit mark. But even someone that despises the man should be able to see his endless resume of accomplishments. The fact that he didn't draw like the Rock or Stone Cold is completely irrelevant. The Hall of Fame is designed to induct men and women who made a MAJOR IMPACT ON PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING. You're crazy if you think Chris Benoit doesn't fall into this category.

 

[4horses]

It's really a cop out to say that only the best of the best of the best should be in the HoF, such as Taker, HBK, HHH, etc. Chris Benoit was one of the WWE's mainstay, top superstars up until the time of his death. He was decorated through FOUR major promotions (but I'm assuming that your research never stretched back to his days in Japan).

What you say the Hall of Fame SHOULD be for, which is only a reflection of your personal opinion and obviously isn't the rule, is completely irrelevant. Fact of the matter is that wrestlers such as Koko B. Ware and the Junkyard Dog have been inducted and never didn't anything of major importance in the world of professional wrestling in terms of titles or drawing power.

The original poster asked is Chris Benoit SHOULD be inducted in the Hall of Fame. So, I will answer according to no one else's standards but the creators and moderators of the Hall of Fame; the WWE. If they can induct wrestlers like Koko and JYD, Chris Benoit would be a surefire inductee if it weren't for his past crimes.

It's obvious that you're not much of a Chris Benoit mark. But even someone that despises the man should be able to see his endless resume of accomplishments. The fact that he didn't draw like the Rock or Stone Cold is completely irrelevant. The Hall of Fame is designed to induct men and women who made a MAJOR IMPACT ON PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING. You're crazy if you think Chris Benoit doesn't fall into this category.

Why is it a cop out? Because I believe something personally? That he shouldn't be in the HOF. This is an opinionated site, and when he asks should Chris Benoit be in the HOF, I'm going to answer by my standards. I don't have a log book of what the WWE thinks. And even if I did they have such a miscued outlook on things I think that they're hardly fair. By the WWE's stardards Randy Savage is not a Hall of Famer. Are you arguing that JYD or Koko is better than Savage? Of course not. So of course you must realize that I take the WWE's Hall of fame with a grain of salt. Who made a bigger mark on professional wrestling, JYD or Savage? Yeah I already know the answer to that.

So clearly the creators and moderaters of the WWE have more than a few flaws in their system. So for you to say Benoit (who isn't even on the same scale as Savage) would be a SUREFIRE Hall of famer is bullshit. You can't know that because we don't know what would've become of him had he not done what he did. Is it too far fetched to think he would've beaten vince to a pulp, vince would never forgive him and he'd be bannished from it? I don't think so. We're talking about a nutjob here not your average person. So surefire is beyond a stretch.

And to me benoit never had that big of an impact on professional wrestling. Sorry to tell you this but I think that pro wrestling would've been fine without him. Maybe the word MAJOR means something to you that it doesn't to me. But it's about the best of the best to me. Those are the guys that make a MAJOR impact. Not a lifelong midcarder who had three moments tops in his career. He had the royal rumble, WM XX, and a world title in WCW when it meant nothing. Sorry to me that doesn't make him a Hall of Famer.

So until you can give me a reasonable reason(professionally) why JYD and Pete Rose are in the HOF and Randy Savage and Lou Thesz aren't take your arguement of 'we're conducting this by the WWE's standards' to someone who buys the fact that the WWE even cares about the HOF and it's rep.

 

[D-Man]

Why is it a cop out? Because I believe something personally? That he shouldn't be in the HOF. This is an opinionated site, and when he asks should Chris Benoit be in the HOF, I'm going to answer by my standards. I don't have a log book of what the WWE thinks. And even if I did they have such a miscued outlook on things I think that they're hardly fair. By the WWE's stardards Randy Savage is not a Hall of Famer. Are you arguing that JYD or Koko is better than Savage? Of course not. So of course you must realize that I take the WWE's Hall of fame with a grain of salt. Who made a bigger mark on professional wrestling, JYD or Savage? Yeah I already know the answer to that.

Well then according to this skewed way of thinking, JYD and Koko B. Ware are better than Sting, the Rock, Mick Foley... should I go on?

Savage isn't in the HoF for one reason: a personal conflict with Vince McMahon. Not because he "isn't good enough". You're jumping around from one thing to the next and none of it has bearing on the subject of this thread.

Your opinion is your opinion and you're entitled to it. But you're also entitled to be wrong, which you clearly are here.

So clearly the creators and moderaters of the WWE have more than a few flaws in their system. So for you to say Benoit (who isn't even on the same scale as Savage) would be a SUREFIRE Hall of famer is bullshit. You can't know that because we don't know what would've become of him had he not done what he did. Is it too far fetched to think he would've beaten vince to a pulp, vince would never forgive him and he'd be bannished from it? I don't think so. We're talking about a nutjob here not your average person. So surefire is beyond a stretch.

Not necessarily. Benoit is an extremely accomplished wrestler. I already proved that beyond the shadow of a doubt in my previous post. And I've already addressed your Randy Savage argument, so it looks like this paragraph got you nowhere, as well.

And to me benoit never had that big of an impact on professional wrestling. Sorry to tell you this but I think that pro wrestling would've been fine without him.

Pro-wrestling would've been fine without 3/4 of the inductees in the HoF. So would baseball without many of its inductees... and football... and basketball... what's your point?? The Hall of Fame is a honor given to those who should be remembered for what they did in their sport. You don't think that the WWE would have wanted to remember Benoit if he hadn't committed those murders?

Maybe the word MAJOR means something to you that it doesn't to me. But it's about the best of the best to me. Those are the guys that make a MAJOR impact. Not a lifelong midcarder who had three moments tops in his career. He had the royal rumble, WM XX, and a world title in WCW when it meant nothing. Sorry to me that doesn't make him a Hall of Famer.

I already covered this. Benoit accomplished more in his career (drawing power aside) than 1/2 of the Hall of Fame inductee roster. What you accomplished over the years means nothing, and it is nothing more than you're personal opinion. So let's answer the question based on the way it SHOULD be answered:

Based on the WWE's criteria, should Benoit be entered into the HoF is he didn't murder his family?

So, now that we are avoiding any opinionated thinking, answer the question now.

So until you can give me a reasonable reason(professionally) why JYD and Pete Rose are in the HOF and Randy Savage and Lou Thesz aren't take your arguement of 'we're conducting this by the WWE's standards' to someone who buys the fact that the WWE even cares about the HOF and it's rep.

JYD, because of the impact he made on pro-wrestling when he was alive... his skill, his popularity during a time when racism was still a speedbump for colored wrestlers, his impact in the AWA... how's that?

Pete Rose, no fucking clue. But if he could get in, Benoit was SURELY supposed to get in.

 

[4horses]

Well then according to this skewed way of thinking, JYD and Koko B. Ware are better than Sting, the Rock, Mick Foley... should I go on? .

Only one guy has been inducted while still being active in wrestling to my knowledge. Ric Flair, so that point besides the Rock, your point in meaningless. Once they retire or die you may have a point. Until then, it's really not an arguement and if it is that just proves my point. How can I take the WWE HOF seriously when they clearly have no standards. It's not a skewed way of thinking, it's fact.

Savage isn't in the HoF for one reason: a personal conflict with Vince McMahon. Not because he "isn't good enough". You're jumping around from one thing to the next and none of it has bearing on the subject of this thread.

Putting personal feelings above professional excelence..... Another reason the WWE hall of fame is a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously. I'm not jumping around I'm making the point that you saying. " according to no one else's standards but the creators and moderators of the Hall of Fame; the WWE" who by your own admission put personal feelings above what a wrestler actually did. Again I'm not jumping around I'm putting this at the WWE's level. What they believe is a Hall of Famer. If I go by creators and moderators of the Hall of Fame. There is no set criteria to their thinking, it's based on bullshit not production or anything that really has to do with Pro Wrestling. Again, Pete Rose is in their Hall of Fame, Lou Thesz isn't. If the WWE clearly can't tell that Randy Savage, Lou Thesz, Ed Lewis, Vader, and a million other guys have had a MAJOR Effect on professional wrestling and Pete Rose hasn't then WTF are they doing even having a hall of fame. It's simple the WWE has more of a right inducting David Arquoette into the WWE than Pete Rose. So again, answer my question. How can you state there is any sort of criteria to their selections when clearly they have none?

Your opinion is your opinion and you're entitled to it. But you're also entitled to be wrong, which you clearly are here.

Not necessarily. Benoit is an extremely accomplished wrestler. I already proved that beyond the shadow of a doubt in my previous post. And I've already addressed your Randy Savage argument, so it looks like this paragraph got you nowhere, as well.

Storm, Regal, and Malenko are accomplished as well it doesn't make them Hall of Famers.

Pro-wrestling would've been fine without 3/4 of the inductees in the HoF. So would baseball without many of its inductees... and football... and basketball... what's your point?? The Hall of Fame is a honor given to those who should be remembered for what they did in their sport.

Again I bring you back to half the people in the HOF. People that are in the WWE HOF have done close to nothing for that sport. Others that aren't in the WWE HOF have had. Shaq will not be kept out of the NBA hall of fame if he disagrees with David Stern on something. And Jay Z won't be in the Hall of Fame because he went to alot of NBA games. So to compare the two is beyond unfair to the NBA.

You don't think that the WWE would have wanted to remember Benoit if he hadn't committed those murders?

See this is a classic trick question. If I said no you come back with the classic "But didn't they remember him on Raw shortly after what happened" response. If I say yes then clearly he "MUST be a Hall of Famer" The answer is of course yes... but that doesn't make him a hall of famer. Brian Pillman died, they remembered him. That doesn't mean he's a hall of famer. Owen Hart is the same way. Davey Boy Smith. I can go on and on. Just because you're remembered it doesn't make you a hall of famer.

I already covered this. Benoit accomplished more in his career (drawing power aside) than 1/2 of the Hall of Fame inductee roster. What you accomplished over the years means nothing, and it is nothing more than you're personal opinion.

I can mention alot of guys that have done more than 1/2 the hall of famers there that shouldn't be in the hall of fame. And I can mention alot of guys who should be in it that arent. Going back to my point that the WWE doesn't have a real criteria. Which means the average wrestling fan is probably a better judge of who should be in the Hall of Fame than the people who give out awards.

So let's answer the question based on the way it SHOULD be answered:

Based on the WWE's criteria, should Benoit be entered into the HoF is he didn't murder his family?

That question is completely unfair. Lou Thezs isn't in, Bob Orton Jr. is. It's pretty clear that the WWE doesn't have a real criteria. So I can't answer that question logically. Nikolai Volkoff is in their Hall of Fame and Ed Lewis isn't there's no criteria for this. There's no logic. So even if Chris Benoit was logical(which he wasn't imo). It by no means meant that he'd become a WWE hall of famer. Which I've shown.

So, now that we are avoiding any opinionated thinking, answer the question now.

You can't avoid opinionated thinking when the WWE criteria itself isn't void of opinionated thinking. Such as Warrior and Savage not being in and Orton and Volkoff being there. So there is no correct way to answer your question. When they stop using their opinions to decide who's in and out maybe I'll stop using mine.

But based on how the topic was set up I can.I hope that the person who started it doesn't mind but he said

"Will Chris Benoit ever be inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame? Does he deserve it? Will his career forever be buried and overshadowed by his last terrible act in life?"

To answer his first question no he won't. To answer his question, no he never did. No it shouldn't be buried. Those who ignore history are bond to repeat it. Show him as the monster he was every chance you get imo.

JYD, because of the impact he made on pro-wrestling when he was alive... his skill, his popularity during a time when racism was still a speedbump for colored wrestlers, his impact in the AWA... how's that?

alright but you still can't compare him to anyone I mention as an alternive. name one person that he had a bigger impact than? You can't because he didn't. And he's still not close to a hall of famer.

Pete Rose, no fucking clue. But if he could get in, Benoit was SURELY supposed to get in.

Well if that's your arguement, Arn Anderson, Barry Windom, Lex Luger, Ed Lewis, Lou Thesz, Vader, and a lot other guys were SURELY supposed to get in. But for no apparent reason aren't. Just because you should be in doesn't mean you are. Just because you shouldn't be in doesn't mean you aren't. So to answer your question. By the WWE's criteria would Chris Benoit be in the hall of fame. I answer the only way I logically can I have no idea.

 

[D-Man]

Only one guy has been inducted while still being active in wrestling to my knowledge. Ric Flair, so that point besides the Rock, your point in meaningless. Once they retire or die you may have a point. Until then, it's really not an arguement and if it is that just proves my point. How can I take the WWE HOF seriously when they clearly have no standards. It's not a skewed way of thinking, it's fact.

Putting personal feelings above professional excelence..... Another reason the WWE hall of fame is a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously. I'm not jumping around I'm making the point that you saying. " according to no one else's standards but the creators and moderators of the Hall of Fame; the WWE" who by your own admission put personal feelings above what a wrestler actually did. Again I'm not jumping around I'm putting this at the WWE's level. What they believe is a Hall of Famer. If I go by creators and moderators of the Hall of Fame. There is no set criteria to their thinking, it's based on bullshit not production or anything that really has to do with Pro Wrestling. Again, Pete Rose is in their Hall of Fame, Lou Thesz isn't. If the WWE clearly can't tell that Randy Savage, Lou Thesz, Ed Lewis, Vader, and a million other guys have had a MAJOR Effect on professional wrestling and Pete Rose hasn't then WTF are they doing even having a hall of fame. It's simple the WWE has more of a right inducting David Arquoette into the WWE than Pete Rose. So again, answer my question. How can you state there is any sort of criteria to their selections when clearly they have none?

Storm, Regal, and Malenko are accomplished as well it doesn't make them Hall of Famers.

Again I bring you back to half the people in the HOF. People that are in the WWE HOF have done close to nothing for that sport. Others that aren't in the WWE HOF have had. Shaq will not be kept out of the NBA hall of fame if he disagrees with David Stern on something. And Jay Z won't be in the Hall of Fame because he went to alot of NBA games. So to compare the two is beyond unfair to the NBA.

See this is a classic trick question. If I said no you come back with the classic "But didn't they remember him on Raw shortly after what happened" response. If I say yes then clearly he "MUST be a Hall of Famer" The answer is of course yes... but that doesn't make him a hall of famer. Brian Pillman died, they remembered him. That doesn't mean he's a hall of famer. Owen Hart is the same way. Davey Boy Smith. I can go on and on. Just because you're remembered it doesn't make you a hall of famer.

I can mention alot of guys that have done more than 1/2 the hall of famers there that shouldn't be in the hall of fame. And I can mention alot of guys who should be in it that arent. Going back to my point that the WWE doesn't have a real criteria. Which means the average wrestling fan is probably a better judge of who should be in the Hall of Fame than the people who give out awards.

That question is completely unfair. Lou Thezs isn't in, Bob Orton Jr. is. It's pretty clear that the WWE doesn't have a real criteria. So I can't answer that question logically. Nikolai Volkoff is in their Hall of Fame and Ed Lewis isn't there's no criteria for this. There's no logic. So even if Chris Benoit was logical(which he wasn't imo). It by no means meant that he'd become a WWE hall of famer. Which I've shown.

You can't avoid opinionated thinking when the WWE criteria itself isn't void of opinionated thinking. Such as Warrior and Savage not being in and Orton and Volkoff being there. So there is no correct way to answer your question. When they stop using their opinions to decide who's in and out maybe I'll stop using mine.

But based on how the topic was set up I can.I hope that the person who started it doesn't mind but he said

"Will Chris Benoit ever be inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame? Does he deserve it? Will his career forever be buried and overshadowed by his last terrible act in life?"

To answer his first question no he won't. To answer his question, no he never did. No it shouldn't be buried. Those who ignore history are bond to repeat it. Show him the monster he was every chance you get imo.

alright but you still can't compare him to anyone I mention as an alternive. name one person that he had a bigger impact than? You can't because he didn't. And he's still not close to a hall of famer.

Well if that's your arguement, Arn Anderson, Barry Windom, Lex Luger, Ed Lewis, Lou Thesz, Vader, and about a lot other guys were SURELY supposed to get in. But for no apparent reason aren't. Just because you should be in doesn't mean you are. Just because you shouldn't be in doesn't mean you aren't. So to answer your question. By the WWE's criteria would Chris Benoit be in the hall of fame. I answer the only way I logically can I have no idea.

Ok, it seems that you and I are arguing completely different points. Your point has skewed somewhat off-topic and we need to bounce back quickly.

The question is whether Benoit should ever be inducted in the HoF. You said that even if he didn't murder his family that he wouldn't deserve to be in it, anyway.

I mentioned that his accomplishments do far more than qualify him. You say they do not. That's fair.

But then you begin to speak about the WWE's twisted way of thinking about who they induct and who they don't. While I can agree that inducting guys like Koko B. Ware and Pete fucking Rose are pointless, you actually think that Lou Thesz and Savage's only reasons for not being in the HoF are because the WWE says so? This is WAY off. Here's why:

First of all, in order for someone to be inducted into the HoF, they have to agree to it. There are terms and conditions, a contract that needs to be signed for the appearence, and they have to agree to be forever recognized by the Hall of Fame. Therefore, it is NOT 100% the WWE's decision for members to be inducted or not. Case in point, the Ultimate Warrior turned down an induction this year. He's more than met our blurred criteria for qualification (in my opinion) and yet he decided to decline his ballot. And this is the WWE's fault? If I recall, the same thing happen with a few others that you mentioned earlier.

Secondly, you went off on a tangent about guys that currently aren't in the Hall of Fame when they should be. You claim that guys like Lou Thesz, Vader, and Ed Lewis aren't in, and yet Volkoff and Koko B. Ware are. In a way, you're right. But did you ever think about the fact that they can only induct a limited amount of members per year, and each annual grouping is inducted for a different mix of reasons? In other words, I highly doubt that Lou Thesz, Vade, and Ed Lewis aren't going to be in a future induction. Therefore, any argument that you make when comparing current inductees to men that haven't been inducted as of yet is completely unfair and baseless.

Lastly, you mention that Ric Flair was the only active member to be inducted, therefore mentioning Mick Foley and Sting is out of the question. Obviously, my point went about 17 miles above your head. I'm saying that these men would be inducted SOMEDAY. You basically said that Koko B. Ware and JYD are undeserving because guys like Lou Thesz aren't in yet. Did you ever stop and think about the fact that the WWE isn't choosing the order of inductees based upon who is better than the next or who made a bigger impact than the other?? Like I said earlier, Thesz and Lewis will probably be in someday (since order of inductions don't matter), but then again, so would Benoit if he didn't murder his family. Get it?

 

[The Champ]

Acting like Benoit would have never made it in even without the murders is just silly to me, during the last couple years of his career he was referred to many times by commentators as a surefire HOFer, and his accomplishments more than warrant that title. The guy wrestled all over the world and really worked his ass off to become what he was, which was probably one of the best wrestlers of his time. He won a ton of championships, including the WHC in the main event of WrestleMania.The only thing holding him back, and rightfully so, are his actions on the last three days of his life. I mean really, like I said in the thread about Edge and Christian, some of you guys seriously overrated WWE's criteria for the Hall of Fame, which is basically, "Stay on good terms with us and make some kind of positive contribution and you're in." Benoit did the latter but he did not do the former, and that is why he will never be inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame. Plain and simple.

 

[CraigThe13th]

You act like Benoit had such a huge impact. I really want to know the impact he had. I doubt a man with such a great impact would have been drafted to ECW to help the younger talent. They wouldn't treat someone like Cena like that... Cena in a couple of years accomplished more than Benoit did in his 20+ year career. The only impact he had was during his final days and it a negative one.

Have you even followed Benoit's career as you seem clueless to how much he contributed to wrestling. I bet you haven't been watching wrestling that long, either that or your not familiar with Benoit at all.

All you reference is that he was drafted to ECW. Did you ever watch him in WCW? or seen his matches against Jericho and Angle circa the early 2000's? No because you've probs watched wrestling for all of 3-4 years probs and comparing Benoit to Cena is laughable. One puts on amazing wrestling matches and the other sells merch.

Who the hell are you to say Chris Benoit had no impact? He (and Eddy) broke barriers and the glass ceiling showing that a man under 6 foot and 230lbs can reach the top of pro wrestling.

One of the finest technical wrestlers of the modern age, a former WCW and WWE world champion who influenced many of today's wrestler's styles and you claim he had no impact? Joker