Who REALLY cares about Batista?

[Tim_Seraphim]

I CARE! Im a fan although he has Ric flairs speed now he is still not a bad wrestler. He makes a few mistakes but he always has energy and fans pop for him! Thats what makes him good. He is better than cena because he has more moves but barely. And another thing he is underated in his mic work because he doesnt need to talk and he doesnt get any time to talk! Batista is a good wrestler he is like any other power wrestlers. Stop pissin' on him! So if u dont like it i got 2 words for yA!

This post pretty much sums up Batista fans. Batista is worthless. He can't talk because he's an imbecile, and he doesn't even do power moves for being a power wrestler. Oh wow he powerbombs, hell, everyone used to powerbomb. He gets a reaction you say? Well no shit. A good section of fans cheer for people who always win. It's just the way things are. If he spent more time trying to actually be a wrestler, and less time boning divas that are dating other wrestlers, we might actually see something. Make this fact perfectly clear: Batista is NOWHERE NEAR better than John Cena. I see kids wearing John Cena shirts, not Batista shirts. Watch I'll do a Batista promo: "I am the animal, and tonight, I want to fight you instead of this sunday. Thumbs down! *shitty Warrior impersonation* Oh, I just unleashed in my pants!"
Batista = shit.

 

[Suneeboy]

Ok, first off let's get this straight, I am not a Batista fan. But I have seen him wrestle live, and I do respect the guy. He is constantly bashed on this Forum, for reasons I do not understand. He's not a great promo cutter, but not everyone is. When it comes to in ring work, man he is underrated. His match with the Undertaker at Wrestlemania 23 was brilliant, and it shitted all over the Undertaker's match with Edge a year later. Don't argue with me, because it's true. In fact, I believe that match was even voted the match of the year by PWI in 2007. But I could be wrong about that.

So I didn't get to watch Judgment Day, but I heard his match with Randy Orton was very good, and that it was one of the best matches on the night. People claim Orton "carried" that match. But that's bullshit, as I've rarely ever seen Orton carry anybody. Here's some more proof that people care about Batista, he is fucking over with the fans. Nobody can deny that. He is rarely booed, and the fans love him, no matter what age they are. Obviously they find him entertaining. Want more proof?

As proven by the God-like Slyfox696, Batista actually manages to gain in some good ratings MOST of the time. Not all the time. And why the fuck shouldn't he be in the Title picture right now? Shawn Michaels and Triple H are resting up, so the WWE really had no other option. Cena vs Orton sounded too good for Judgment Day, so the WWE made the right decision here by having Batista return into the WWE Title picture. With that being said, I think Batista should turn heel this year because Raw needs another top heel. But not right now, as HBK and HHH are absent. Be patient folks. If only fans followed that simple logic, the wrestling world would be a better place.

Good point, but that doesn't make ME care about him or like him, along with the majority of the people who've posted. You kind of steered away from the original topic which in a nutshell is an in depth "Bash Batista" Thread.

Batista is in the Main Event because there is no one else? Who's fault is that? HBK's? HHH? If they WERE there who would be in the title picture? Not HBK or HHH for sure. That is the fault of creative and a result of the draft. Smackdown! is not having this problem at all. All of their feuds have a fresh feel to them. ALL of them. But seriously dude let ranters rant. You can't debate someone when they are on a rant, especially when its on a guy like Batista, and especially after there have been 30 posts in one thread bashing the guy. Your point will fall on deaf ears, as the mob just wants to burn the town down at this point. We'll talk logistics after the smoke clears.

 

[Slyfox696]

Anyone who criticizes Batista doesn't understand wrestling, or was touched by their father when they were little.

Batista is one of the best workers in the WWE. Recently I made a thread stating that Batista is a better wrestler than Shawn Michaels and I stand by that position. Batista is exciting, he's fun, he's entertaining, and he makes people want to watch.

If you don't care about Batista, it's because you just don't understand good wrestling.

 

[Suneeboy]

Anyone who criticizes Batista doesn't understand wrestling, or was touched by their father when they were little.

Offensive and low brow, but this is online so we can let child molestation jokes slide.

Batista is one of the best workers in the WWE.

What do you mean by one of the best workers? Top 10%? Top 20%? Top 30%? If you mean he is in the top 50% I might agree, but anything less than that, hell to the no. He is by no means ONE OF THE BEST. Absolutely not.

Recently I made a thread stating that Batista is a better wrestler than Shawn Michaels and I stand by that position.

You know, I'm very sorry to hear that you stand by that position, and you have my deepest of sympathies. I recommend you watch Shawn Michaels' last 5 matches and watch Batista's last 5 matches and just count the botches alone in each and see who has a higher total of botched and sloppy looking moves. I won't get into ring psychology, crowd involvement, suspense, moveset, storytelling, and sheer technical ability. That's just too easy, it would be more difficult to shoot fish in a barrel then to argue that point.

Batista is exciting, he's fun, he's entertaining, and he makes people want to watch.

Says who? You? You tune into RAW and say, "Oh man I can't wait to see what Batista does this week."? Again, I'm sorry to hear that.

If you don't care about Batista, it's because you just don't understand good wrestling.

If you think appreciating the Batista character and enjoying watching him qualifies someone as person who "understands" wrestling, then YOU don't understand wrestling.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Offensive and low brow, but this is online so we can let child molestation jokes slide.



What do you mean by one of the best workers? Top 10%? Top 20%? Top 30%? If you mean he is in the top 50% I might agree, but anything less than that, hell to the no. He is by no means ONE OF THE BEST. Absolutely not.


You know, I'm very sorry to hear that you stand by that position, and you have my deepest of sympathies. I recommend you watch Shawn Michaels' last 5 matches and watch Batista's last 5 matches and just count the botches alone in each and see who has a higher total of botched and sloppy looking moves. I won't get into ring psychology, crowd involvement, suspense, moveset, storytelling, and sheer technical ability. That's just too easy, it would be more difficult to shoot fish in a barrel then to argue that point.



Says who? You? You tune into RAW and say, "Oh man I can't wait to see what Batista does this week."? Again, I'm sorry to hear that.



If you think appreciating the Batista character and enjoying watching him qualifies someone as person who "understands" wrestling, then YOU don't understand wrestling.

Batista is one of the better workers in the WWE along with Cena, Mysterio, Jericho, Edge, and CM Punk. I would still watch a Batista match before I'll watch a HBK match because Batista doesn't half-ass it in the ring as much as HBK does. I don't want to hear about HBK's age as an excuse because he doesn't wrestle much except for pay-per-view except when he faces somebody worse(Flair) or somebody that carries him(Jericho).

 

[Slyfox696]

Offensive and low brow

And probably true.

What do you mean by one of the best workers?

I mean that Batista is more entertaining than EVERYONE in wrestling, aside from possibly Cena, Jericho, Orton and the Undertaker. Batista is more entertaining than everyone else.

You know, I'm very sorry to hear that you stand by that position, and you have my deepest of sympathies.

Sympathies? For what? Being entertained by a guy who is a good wrestler?

Who do you like watching? Terrible wrestlers?

I recommend you watch Shawn Michaels' last 5 matches and watch Batista's last 5 matches and just count the botches alone in each and see who has a higher total of botched and sloppy looking moves.

LOL, botches this, botches that. I don't know how many botches Batista has or whatever, and to be frank, I don't care. What I care about is being entertained, and Batista does that more than Shawn Michaels, and has for years now.

In fact, he entertains more people than Shawn Michaels does, and drawing figures support that. He's better in the ring, and he's more exciting out of it.

I won't get into ring psychology, crowd involvement, suspense, moveset, storytelling,

I understand, it'd be damaging to your position to have to admit Batista was better than HBK at all of them.

and sheer technical ability.

Why would Batista work a technical match style? That's stupid.

That's just too easy, it would be more difficult to shoot fish in a barrel then to argue that point.

I'm glad we both agree Batista is far superior to Shawn in every aspect of wrestling that matters.

Says who? You?

And the roughly 6-7 million fans who watch Raw every week.

You tune into RAW and say, "Oh man I can't wait to see what Batista does this week."? Again, I'm sorry to hear that.

No, I say, "Oh man, I can't wait to see what John Cena does this week". But, aside from Cena, there's no one else on Raw that I want to see more than Batista.

But, I understand your position. You're still in the typical smark mentality that says that any wrestler that has big muscles and doesn't lay on the mat for 20 minutes doing a bunch of useless submissions must automatically suck. Don't worry, one day you'll grow up and mature as a wrestling fan.

If you think appreciating the Batista character and enjoying watching him qualifies someone as person who "understands" wrestling, then YOU don't understand wrestling.

Really? Why is that?

I always thought that wrestling was supposed to be about larger than life characters, going out in front of a live audience and entertaining them and exciting them by doing the job they are booked to do, and to do it well over a period of time so people will pay to see you do it. That describes Batista.

I'll tell you what. You give me your understanding of wrestling, and then I'll tell you why you're wrong.

 

[Blade]

Ok, you seem to start this thread as if it's new and exciting. Batista bashing has been around for a while, don't think that this thread is pushing the boundaries of modern debate.... it's just, kinda silly.

Batista is popular. I may not have pure concrete evidence, but come on, the pops the guy gets are considerably big. Sometimes, they're even the biggest pop of the night. Everyone always says "yeah, but eh, eh, he also gets alot of boos mixed in with those cheers..."
To those people I say... get your hearing checked. Apparently, he got booed when he made his return a month and a half ago. But no, he really didn't. He got a big pop. And he hasn't been booed since then so be quiet.

You can't critisise him for his supposedly bad in-ring work. He has had some great matches. While he has had some bad matches too, it is so easy for everyone to blame the entire bad match on Batista. It takes 2 wrestlers to have a bad match, not one. Both wrestlers are at fault for the below par Orton/Batista matches.
In terms of his in-ring ability, the guy is constantly pulling out suprises. Remember the match against Cena at Summerslam? Remember how bad everyone thought that would be? Remember how suprisingly good it actually turned out to be?
The guy has had numerous great matches. His Mania match with Triple H, his Mania match with Undertaker and the aforementioned Cena match. Just like it takes two wrestlers to have a bad match, it also takes 2 wrestlers to have a really great match. Batista may not be Cena or Jericho in terms of trying to bring his best to every match, when he does deliver it reminds you that yes, to a certain extent, this guy does deserve to be in the main event.

You can hate Batista all you want. But the truth is, the guy is one of the most over faces in the company. And if you're one of the most over faces in a wrestling company, you deserve to be one of the top wrestlers in that company, no matter your charisma, mic skills, in-ring ability, whatever.

So yeah, Batista will be in the main event till he retires. Get over it.

 

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

Sly i'd like to debate this with you, in a slightly more respectful manner than suneeboy did.

Right now i'm at work so i won't be able to debate properly until about 3 hours from now, so for now i'll simply ask you to elaborate on particular elements of your last post.

Anyone who criticizes Batista doesn't understand wrestling

Please elaborate. I fail to see how seeing more negatives than positives regarding one talent in one wrestling promotion equals a total failure to understand the entire profession as a whole.

Batista is one of the best workers in the WWE.

Really? How so? I know that you consider Cena THE best worker in WWE, if not probably one of the top 3 at least, so for this part i'm going to ask you to compare Batista's work ethic to 1) Undertaker (since you did HBK already, i'll ask you to compare Batista to the only other 18 yrs+ veteran on the roster), 2) HHH, 3) Cena and 4) Chris Jericho

Batista is exciting, he's fun, he's entertaining

I won't ask you to elaborate on this part, because it's your opinion and neither of us going to convince the other in that regard.

and he makes people want to watch.

I'd appreciate a list of what he does that makes you want to watch.

So, whaddya say Sly?

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

This post pretty much sums up Batista fans. Batista is worthless. He can't talk because he's an imbecile, and he doesn't even do power moves for being a power wrestler. Oh wow he powerbombs, hell, everyone used to powerbomb. He gets a reaction you say? Well no shit. A good section of fans cheer for people who always win. It's just the way things are. If he spent more time trying to actually be a wrestler, and less time boning divas that are dating other wrestlers, we might actually see something. Make this fact perfectly clear: Batista is NOWHERE NEAR better than John Cena. I see kids wearing John Cena shirts, not Batista shirts. Watch I'll do a Batista promo: "I am the animal, and tonight, I want to fight you instead of this sunday. Thumbs down! *shitty Warrior impersonation* Oh, I just unleashed in my pants!"
Batista = shit.

Let the education begin.

1. Concerning this power moves argument that you present, have you properly watched a Batista match. You don't see him pull Jeff Hardy or Evan Bourne moves out there. Basically all the moves in his arsenal are power moves save for the flying shoulder he occassionally does.

2. Batista may not exactly be the Rock on the mic but he doesn't have to be. He lets his actions speak for itself and more often that not, delivers. He does better on the mic for a limited amount of time better than those who talk on the mic a lot.

3. If you're saying that most of the fans cheer for those who win all the time, wouldn't heels like Edge, Orton, and Jericho get cheered more than booed?

4. Nobody sells as much merchandise as Cena because Cena is more marketable and that is not a slight against Batista. Batista gets as much crowd reaction the fans as Cena and most people should realize that.

School's over.

 

[shafe_41]

That's really tough actually. Batista... where do I start? While I believe he's boring and stiff in the ring, he seems to put on some good matches when I least expect it. So even though I question why I watch Batista, I keep doing it. As LJL above me said, he really is a hard worker. Batista is a very hard worker and you can tell he genuinly loves the fans. The look on his face when he returned after Mania when he walked out on that ramp showed that he loved being back. But what did he really love about being back? It's well-known that Batista loves the celebrity status he receives for being in the WWE. He likes to live a lavish lifestyle. So is Batista in this because he loves the business or is he in it for the money the business gives him? I think there's a very fine line there. And seeing as he wants to retire in the next year or two... why should we believe any different? It's almost like he was in it just long enough to make a healthy nest egg, invest it, and retire. I believe that when Batista does retire, he will stay away. Which would lead one to believe he doesn't really love the business that much since it's so easy for him to stay away. We slam Flair for coming back because we don't want to see him in the ring. While that's still true, you know that's a man who LOVES the business more than anyone in history. With Flair as Batista's "idol" or "mentor" you would think Flair might try to tell him to not do it if he doesn't love it. So honestly... how can we care about someone that we believe is really in it for the wrong reasons? I don't know. Maybe it's just me but with Batista, I kinda believe it, but at the same time I don't. Is money really keeping him here? Or does he love the business? It's always up for debate.

 

[Black Snow]

Ok, first off let's get this straight, I am not a Batista fan. But I have seen him wrestle live, and I do respect the guy. He is constantly bashed on this Forum, for reasons I do not understand. He's not a great promo cutter, but not everyone is. When it comes to in ring work, man he is underrated. His match with the Undertaker at Wrestlemania 23 was brilliant, and it shitted all over the Undertaker's match with Edge a year later. Don't argue with me, because it's true. In fact, I believe that match was even voted the match of the year by PWI in 2007. But I could be wrong about that.

So I didn't get to watch Judgment Day, but I heard his match with Randy Orton was very good, and that it was one of the best matches on the night. People claim Orton "carried" that match. But that's bullshit, as I've rarely ever seen Orton carry anybody. Here's some more proof that people care about Batista, he is fucking over with the fans. Nobody can deny that. He is rarely booed, and the fans love him, no matter what age they are. Obviously they find him entertaining. Want more proof?

As proven by the God-like Slyfox696, Batista actually manages to gain in some good ratings MOST of the time. Not all the time. And why the fuck shouldn't he be in the Title picture right now? Shawn Michaels and Triple H are resting up, so the WWE really had no other option. Cena vs Orton sounded too good for Judgment Day, so the WWE made the right decision here by having Batista return into the WWE Title picture. With that being said, I think Batista should turn heel this year because Raw needs another top heel. But not right now, as HBK and HHH are absent. Be patient folks. If only fans followed that simple logic, the wrestling world would be a better place.

I wouldn't say Batista is underrated in the ring but the man is definitely limited. That's true of anyone his size. I actually believe that many consider his match with 'Taker at 'Mania 23 to be the match of the night. I was at the PPV in question and I can tell you from first hand experience that at least my section of the crowd was much hotter for that match than we were HBK/Cena or anything else on the card. Now 'Taker/Batista being better than 'Taker/Edge? Nah. I can argue that point all I want because it's a matter of personal opinion. I choose to not let PWI tell me which match I should like more.

Personally, I think Batista is a wrestler that performs extremely well given the right circumstances. He matches up extremely well with 'Taker and Edge for example. I guess find the guy to be very hit or miss. When he's on he'll definitely be entertaining. But when he's off it's pretty horrible. Sadly, within the last year or so he's been off far more often than on. I do believe that he has the potential to be a great heel though. Out of the three guys I think desperately need to have a heel run I see Batista's run being the most interesting if it happens. The dude looks like a monster heel and the only chance he had to display that was when he was in Evolution. He's never been a main event heel which is something I'd definitely tune in to see.

May I ask you who said Orton/Batista at Judgment Day was one of the best matches of the night? No offense, but I've checked out many websites and general fan opinions and it seems to be that out of seven matches Batista/Orton was ranked sixth only ahead of Show/Cena. Mind you, that shouldn't be surprising. On a card that included Jericho/Rey, Benjamin/Morrison, Christian/Swagger and to a lesser extent Edge/Jeff even if Orton and Batista had a great performance it'd be hard to be considered one of the matches of the night.

I will say that Orton didn't carry Batista. I'm a big Orton fan but Batista is a fully capable main eventer who doesn't need his hand held. Batista is very meh to me but I wouldn't be so blind as to simply say that he's incapable of working his own flavor into a match.

Listen, Batista is over. No one is disputing that. If they are then heaven help them. For me at least, the question is if he's getting boring in his current role. I have to say that he is. That isn't to say that he can't become interesting again. Like I stated earlier I believe that a heel turn would make him immediately interesting. Anyone who is a face for four straight years in today's wrestling world would become boring. That's not a personal knock on Batista. If anything, it's a knock of creative for not giving him anything to do besides tons of title shots against whomever the champion is over and over again.

Anyone who criticizes Batista doesn't understand wrestling, or was touched by their father when they were little.

Batista is one of the best workers in the WWE. Recently I made a thread stating that Batista is a better wrestler than Shawn Michaels and I stand by that position. Batista is exciting, he's fun, he's entertaining, and he makes people want to watch.

If you don't care about Batista, it's because you just don't understand good wrestling.

Are you capable of posting without personally insulting people? This is a serious question. I think you have a lot of good points to make but they tend to fall on deaf ears because you don't seem capable of just making your point. Instead, for some reason you decide that you need to inform everyone that if they don't agree with you then they're faulty and must be wrong. Why are you incapable of having an actual discourse? Why do you need to throw up the shields before anyone can even respond? Do you genuinely feel that your point of view is always superior and 100% correct or is it simply that you like to get a rise out of people? I'd love to have an actual intelligent conversation with you man but it just seems like you do everything in your power to make that into an impossible task.

 

[Suneeboy]

And probably true.

Yeah it probably is for you.

I mean that Batista is more entertaining than EVERYONE in wrestling, aside from possibly Cena, Jericho, Orton and the Undertaker. Batista is more entertaining than everyone else.

This is becoming a situation where its like trying to describe a color to a blind guy....with you being the blind guy. Let's add to your list of people who are more entertaining than Batista.

You said: Cena, Jericho, Orton, and Undertaker. Let's also add HHH, HBK, Mysterio, Jeff Hardy, Edge, The Miz, Morrison, Christian, Jack Swagger, CM Punk, Umaga, and at the rate he's going soon I'll add Jimmy Wang Yang and Funaki to this list.

Sympathies? For what? Being entertained by a guy who is a good wrestler?

No for being entertained by a bad wrestler.

Who do you like watching? Terrible wrestlers?

Are you paying attention? I said I don't like Batista.

LOL, botches this, botches that. I don't know how many botches Batista has or whatever, and to be frank, I don't care.

Then I will be frank also. Botching moves qualifies you as a bad wrestler.

What I care about is being entertained, and Batista does that more than Shawn Michaels, and has for years now.

What has Batista done in the last 4 years? A Punajbi Prison match with The Great Khali? Having a one week title run in October? Other than his match at WM23 where he got Schooled by the great Undertaker I often forget he is on the roster. HBK is Match of the Year winner for 5 years in a row and it will be 6 after his WM 25 performance with the Undertaker. Batista entertains simple minded people. People who understand storytelling, acting, in ring psychology, and promo skills dismiss Batista in a real discussion.

In fact, he entertains more people than Shawn Michaels does, and drawing figures support that. He's better in the ring, and he's more exciting out of it.

Please show me your figures and show me a direct correlation between Batista, HBK, and PPV buy rates and ratings over the past 5 years, and how each person directly affects ratings and buy rates as well as how their appearances on television affects them. Don't throw statements around that need numbers to support them if you aren't going to post the numbers in your initial statement. You lose credibility that way.

I understand, it'd be damaging to your position to have to admit Batista was better than HBK at all of them.

Your witty, and funny at times but I never said that. You need to recycle my statements with a little more originality if you are trying to invalidate my points. But just in case you really didn't understand what I said, because as a Batista supporter you could be a little off in the head...HBK is better than Batista.

Why would Batista work a technical match style? That's stupid.

Its stupid for Batista to actually sell moves and work a match without messing up?

I'm glad we both agree Batista is far superior to Shawn in every aspect of wrestling that matters.

Uhmmm we don't agree dude. Batista is trash. He can't hold a candle to HBK.

And the roughly 6-7 million fans who watch Raw every week.

Wow, I didn't know you spoke to 6-7 million people in the time it took to read and post in this thread.

No, I say, "Oh man, I can't wait to see what John Cena does this week". But, aside from Cena, there's no one else on Raw that I want to see more than Batista.

Ok. Cena is cool. Batista isn't though.

But, I understand your position. You're still in the typical smark mentality that says that any wrestler that has big muscles and doesn't lay on the mat for 20 minutes doing a bunch of useless submissions must automatically suck. Don't worry, one day you'll grow up and mature as a wrestling fan.

I'm a smark because I want to watch a wrestler that can sell a move, cut a promo, perform and entertain me? Sorry fanboy, Batista is just plain not fun to watch anymore.

I'll tell you what. You give me your understanding of wrestling, and then I'll tell you why you're wrong.

You can't tell me I'm wrong because I want to watch a wrestler who is good at what he does. You obviously don't. Batista isn't good anymore.

 

[Uncle Sam]

Eh. I appreciate why Batista's good, but I find him absolutely shit. Do I REALLY care about Batista? Not particularly. At least his match against Orton at JD was functional, thereby making it roughly ten times better than Orton's typical match.

Undertaker/Batista probably was better than Undertaker/Edge. Now, I haven't seen more than a couple matches with 'Taker/Batista in, but Edge and Undertaker have terrible chemistry together. Their match at WrestleMania was unremarkable and their spotfests - the TLC and Cell matches - were total borefests.

 

[hater]

Bad, unpainted version of The Ultimate Warrior. All he has is a Spinebuster and a powerbomb. Hell, a couple of years ago Y2J was Double powerbombing people. His punhes look like like they wouldn't knock me down. he's not a great worker. He cannot stay healthy. HHH finally put someone over that year and it had to be this non-functional ******. As much as i don't like Cena, he deserves his spot a million times more than Batista. Batista loses more title matches than anyone I can remember. The last good match he had was against Cena at Summerslam.(pretty much stole the show).

 

[Uncle Sam]

hater, you know I love to love you (baby), but that really is a poor effort. If you really wanted people to love to hate you, you would have started off by saying how remarkable and talented Batista was. You'd have talked about his excellent mic skills, his impressive physique and his past successes.

You would have then compared someone such as The Undertaker, Edge or even The Miz (what? Have you seen the Miz thread?) unfavourably to him. Amateur stuff, my friend.

 

[hater]

I can't lie. I'm hate that guy and i'm just here to rant. I hope he gets raped with a barbedwire *****, or fisted by the Big Show. Actually, Show could probably outwork him. At least he has one submission move. Say goodnight to the bad guy.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

What has Batista done in the last 4 years? A Punajbi Prison match with The Great Khali? Having a one week title run in October? Other than his match at WM23 where he got Schooled by the great Undertaker I often forget he is on the roster. HBK is Match of the Year winner for 5 years in a row and it will be 6 after his WM 25 performance with the Undertaker. Batista entertains simple minded people. People who understand storytelling, acting, in ring psychology, and promo skills dismiss Batista in a real discussion.

You're just embarrassing yourself further. Let's look at HBK's Match of the Year matches.

2004- HBK vs. Chris Benoit vs. HHH: This wasn't as great as much as everybody says it is. Basically, it was just a rotating one-on-one match.

2005- HBK vs. Angle- I'll guess I can give him that one though I preferred Undertaker v. Orton better

2006- Just no. HBK vs. McMahon was good for what it was supposed to be: a hardcore match. Doesn't deny the fact that it was still shit. MOTY should have easily went to Undertaker v. Angle at No Way Out

2007- HBK vs. Cena- I would have rather given this to Umaga v. Cena at the Royal Rumble and HBK should be thanking Orton for that award.

2008- HBK vs. Flair- Only reason this was match of the year is because it was Flair's last match. Taking out the nostalgic factor, the match was shit as well.

Batista/Undertaker at WM 23 was ten times better than Undertaker/Flair at WM 25. He had also had great matches with Edge, Cena, and decent ones with Orton and Jericho. The last two matches HBK had that I consider worth watching was his match with Jeff Hardy on RAW last year and his match with Shelton Benjamin in 2005. Other than that, he's basically worthless.

 

[Blade]

I can't lie. I'm hate that guy and i'm just here to rant. I hope he gets raped with a barbedwire *****, or fisted by the Big Show. Actually, Show could probably outwork him. At least he has one submission move. Say goodnight to the bad guy.

Ok, that's spam. And that doesn't seem like much of a rant to be honest.

Stop being so opinionated and offensive. Some people care about Cena, and seeemingly from this thread, alot of people care about Batista.

They like what he does. They like his big man persona, they like his matches. They like him. And obviously crowds at WWE shows like im or else they wouldn't pop for him so much. Same goes for Cena.

 

[Loveless]

Batista is todays Ultimate Warrior, without the insanity or energy. In other words, he's a big useless lump who devalues everyone he works with. Thank god he doesn't care about the business and is planning to retire soon. I ROFL'ed my arse off when I heard him say he thought HHH was the greatest wrestler ever.

 

[Suneeboy]

You're just embarrassing yourself further. Let's look at HBK's Match of the Year matches.

2004- HBK vs. Chris Benoit vs. HHH: This wasn't as great as much as everybody says it is. Basically, it was just a rotating one-on-one match.

2005- HBK vs. Angle- I'll guess I can give him that one though I preferred Undertaker v. Orton better

2006- Just no. HBK vs. McMahon was good for what it was supposed to be: a hardcore match. Doesn't deny the fact that it was still shit. MOTY should have easily went to Undertaker v. Angle at No Way Out

2007- HBK vs. Cena- I would have rather given this to Umaga v. Cena at the Royal Rumble and HBK should be thanking Orton for that award.

2008- HBK vs. Flair- Only reason this was match of the year is because it was Flair's last match. Taking out the nostalgic factor, the match was shit as well.

Batista/Undertaker at WM 23 was ten times better than Undertaker/Flair at WM 25. He had also had great matches with Edge, Cena, and decent ones with Orton and Jericho. The last two matches HBK had that I consider worth watching was his match with Jeff Hardy on RAW last year and his match with Shelton Benjamin in 2005. Other than that, he's basically worthless.

Dude back away from the computer and take a breather on this one, because you sound stupid now...seriously. You'll have your chance in another thread to try and disect an opinion of mine if you disagree with me. You're stating opinions like they are actual facts which makes you look even worse. Address an opinion as an opinion, and state a fact as a fact with something to support it.

Match of the year is voted on by wrestling fans like you and I, so obviously you are way off here. If those matches weren't good or undeserving they would not have been voted on by the fans. Take the time to read your post before sending. Match of the year is not a title thats thrown around by a few elite people in the wrestling world. If you feel that it wasn't match of the year, start your own poll and put a Batista match in there and see how many votes it gets if the guy is so good in the ring. I bet you and Slyfox will be the only ones voting for a Batista match as match of the year. Hell, Batista is lucky if he can pull off match of the week let alone match of the year.

 

[notorious102]

Dude back away from the computer and take a breather on this one, because you sound stupid now...seriously. You'll have your chance in another thread to try and disect an opinion of mine if you disagree with me. You're stating opinions like they are actual facts which makes you look even worse. Address an opinion as an opinion, and state a fact as a fact with something to support it.

Match of the year is voted on by wrestling fans like you and I, so obviously you are way off here. If those matches weren't good or undeserving they would not have been voted on by the fans. Take the time to read your post before sending. Match of the year is not a title thats thrown around by a few elite people in the wrestling world. If you feel that it wasn't match of the year, start your own poll and put a Batista match in there and see how many votes it gets if the guy is so good in the ring. I bet you and Slyfox will be the only ones voting for a Batista match as match of the year. Hell, Batista is lucky if he can pull off match of the week let alone match of the year.

His post was actually true .... HBK didn't deserve all those MOTY awards... HBK should be thankfule for his marks becuz that's what really got him all those MOTY awards.....

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Dude back away from the computer and take a breather on this one, because you sound stupid now...seriously. You'll have your chance in another thread to try and disect an opinion of mine if you disagree with me. You're stating opinions like they are actual facts which makes you look even worse. Address an opinion as an opinion, and state a fact as a fact with something to support it.

Match of the year is voted on by wrestling fans like you and I, so obviously you are way off here. If those matches weren't good or undeserving they would not have been voted on by the fans. Take the time to read your post before sending. Match of the year is not a title thats thrown around by a few elite people in the wrestling world. If you feel that it wasn't match of the year, start your own poll and put a Batista match in there and see how many votes it gets if the guy is so good in the ring. I bet you and Slyfox will be the only ones voting for a Batista match as match of the year. Hell, Batista is lucky if he can pull off match of the week let alone match of the year.

Forgive me if you miscontrued my opinions as facts. I will be sure to put IMO after every post then. If I thought it was a fact, I would have put the word "fact" in my post and that's a fact.

I don't remember stating in my post that the matches of the year weren't voted on by wrestling fans so don't put words in my mouth. Secondly, I believe HBK is a victim of revisonist history and has been one of the most overrated wrestlers in the past ten years. Everybody talks about how so great his feud with Jericho was and he didn't even do ten times the work Jericho did. You can tell from day one that Jericho carried that feud and all Michaels did was whine and moan.

Thirdly, just like HHH he half-asses it in the ring most of the time. Batista works very hard in the ring at what he does and he does it better than what HBK has been doing. When HBK was champion, ratings were at its worst and Batista has had consistent ratings while as champion. HBK could be champion again if he wants to but he just doesn't want to perform at house shows. I just believe HBK should retire. He has nothing left to offer to WWE anymore and things are not going to stop just because he isn't there anymore. Matter of fact, he can try to put some new talent over though. Maybe a feud with Hardy would be great because he tried to do it with Shelton Benjamin but we saw how that turned out.

That is my OPINION.

 

[Suneeboy]

Forgive me if you miscontrued my opinions as facts. I will be sure to put IMO after every post then. If I thought it was a fact, I would have put the word "fact" in my post and that's a fact.

I don't remember stating in my post that the matches of the year weren't voted on by wrestling fans so don't put words in my mouth. Secondly, I believe HBK is a victim of revisonist history and has been one of the most overrated wrestlers in the past ten years. Everybody talks about how so great his feud with Jericho was and he didn't even do ten times the work Jericho did. You can tell from day one that Jericho carried that feud and all Michaels did was whine and moan.

Thirdly, just like HHH he half-asses it in the ring most of the time. Batista works very hard in the ring at what he does and he does it better than what HBK has been doing. When HBK was champion, ratings were at its worst and Batista has had consistent ratings while as champion. HBK could be champion again if he wants to but he just doesn't want to perform at house shows. I just believe HBK should retire. He has nothing left to offer to WWE anymore and things are not going to stop just because he isn't there anymore. Matter of fact, he can try to put some new talent over though. Maybe a feud with Hardy would be great because he tried to do it with Shelton Benjamin but we saw how that turned out.

That is my OPINION.

In my honest opinion your opinion sucks. Batista is such a forgetable character. How many 'roided monsters have we had in the past 5 years? Goldberg, Lashley, Lesnar, Steiner, Masters, so on and so forth. You can throw anyone in that role. He is just lucky Goldberg and Lesnar left and they needed a muscle guy to fill in, and he was good enough (then).

What HBK has done in this business is matched only by a few of the ALL-TIME greats dude. Batista is a clone who can easily be replaced. With no HBK, the WWE would've been way different. Batista is the innovator and originator of nothing. What match has Batista carried? What feud has he carried? What are some of his memorable promos (post-WM 21)? He's done nothing that separates him and lets him leave his mark in history. He's was always an average guy, but now he is trash. Its time for him to go, and he knows it thats why he is saying he will retire soon. Dude just let it go, Batista is just "meh" all across the board now. He had a decent run yeah, but now its over. He's stale, he's 40, and he can't wrestle, end of story.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

In my honest opinion your opinion sucks. Batista is such a forgetable character. How many 'roided monsters have we had in the past 5 years? Goldberg, Lashley, Lesnar, Steiner, Masters, so on and so forth. You can throw anyone in that role. He is just lucky Goldberg and Lesnar left and they needed a muscle guy to fill in, and he was good enough (then).

What HBK has done in this business is matched only by a few of the ALL-TIME greats dude. Batista is a clone who can easily be replaced. With no HBK, the WWE would've been way different. Batista is the innovator and originator of nothing. What match has Batista carried? What feud has he carried? What are some of his memorable promos (post-WM 21)? He's done nothing that separates him and lets him leave his mark in history. He's was always an average guy, but now he is trash. Its time for him to go, and he knows it thats why he is saying he will retire soon. Dude just let it go, Batista is just "meh" all across the board now. He had a decent run yeah, but now its over. He's stale, he's 40, and he can't wrestle, end of story.

So enlighten me how the WWE would have been drastically different if there were no HBK. He was a great mid-card champion but never a great world champion. I'm sure the WWE wouldn't have closed down business just because Michaels wasn't there.

If you say Michaels is the originator or something, that moniker also has to go to the person he was competing against as well. Let's go through a few examples shall we?

Ladder Match: It's true he did compete in the first ladder match but so did Bret Hart so why do we never call him the originator as well. He's hardly the innovator of it as well. Edge & Christian and the Hardy Boyz was ladder match wrestling at it's best and how many ladder matches has HBK won let alone competed in.

Hell In a Cell: He did win the first one but you can't deny that it was because of the debut of Kane. Undertaker was kicking his ass all over that cell before Kane showed up and tombstoned him. You can say that Undertaker was the originator as well because that match was built just for him. Innovation wise, that honor goes to Taker and HHH as they been in and won more matches than anybody else and HBK has only been in two. Taker and HHH took HIAC to whole another level that HBK can simply not reach.

Elimination Chamber: He won the first one as well, but you have to call those other five guys including HHH the originator too. He's been in more EC matches (including refereeing one) more than anybody else but is he the innovator? Nope. I'm not necessarily stating that since HHH has won more EC matches than anybody else, he is the innovator. I'm saying he's better at it than HBK.

Tell me what feuds HBK have carried and his recent one with Jericho is not one of them. What memorable promos has he done recently in the past ten years and "losing his smile" was more than 10 years ago.

Tidbit #1: Batista has beaten both Triple H and Undertaker in Hell in a Cell. Nobody else has done that. Not even HBK.

 

[TimAH]

I'm trying to figure out how the hell he got over in the first place anyways. His entrance is the only cool thing about him & that's slowly starting to lose it's luster with me. Batista was way better back in Evolution cause he works better in a body guard type role, but I think he started to regress in the ring & his hype went down once he came back from injury. It also doesn't help that once Booker T beat his ass that I lost all respect for Batista cause with all the strength advantage over Booker & loses, yeah he's a real "badass" not.

I think Bastista got over more on the strength of HHH's Heel character than his own skills. HHH was doing such a good job angering the fans that they really really wanted to see him get his ass handed to him. You could tell it was building up for Bastista to be the man to do it so the anticipation was enormous. IMO that couple month period will be the highlight of Batistas otherwise boring career.