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What now with Sim and Manu?

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With Manu being kicked out of Priceless on the 1/12 edition of RAW, what do you guys think will be done with these two talented youngsters? Perhaps an all-Samoan stable? Will Sim turn into this::snuka:?

WHAT DO YOU THINK?
 
Honestly.. I can only see it going two ways.

Number one.. They both get buried after this storyline and never heard from again. Which wouldn't really bother me much, neither one was really all that great in the ring, nor were they that great on the mic. Obviously, Legacy has got the best two out of the four.. That being Rhodes and Ted Jr.

Number two.. It's possible that it could end up ending with Manu turning on Sim and joining Legacy.. Or vice-versa. Either way, I doubt anyone would care, really. Rhodes and Ted get better reactions from the crowd.. So if Sim or Manu would end up in Legacy, they would just be the glorified spot filler of the group. But, it's always possible to build Manu into another cliche "Samoan Bulldozer".. Which seriously, I doubt would happen.. They've already pretty much squashed that from ever happening, in all reality.

As far as an all Samoan stable forming.. I'd say that's slim to none. I really don't see WWE bringing up a bunch of random second generation Samoans just to feud with Legacy. They wouldn't have a lot of time to build up every single one.. And in the long run, they would just be turned into jobbers or flat out released. The only thing I could see them doing with Manu and Sim is to have them form a tag team or something, that's about it. But really, no one would get behind them unless you put the belts back on Team Priceless and have them feud for awhile.. Then possibly you could build Manu and Sim as a face team.

But that's just me, I could be wrong.
 
First if they decide on doing a stable vs. stable with Rhodes, Dibiase, and Orton against sim and manu they need someone alot known/talented/and popular on their side then DH Smith. Unless they get someone with alot of charisma and popularity they would be nothing but a jobbing team for legacy.

Manu & Sim both don't have alot of charisma and unless the WWE put them into a tag team, I doubt that either could survive as singles stars right now. Maybe make a somoan group and move them to smackdown with Umaga but that would just put him down. I don't no what is going to happen but I wouldn't be surprised if they go back to development or get their walking papers.
 
Manu and Snuka will probably have a tag team match next week against Cody and DiBiase, where they'll most likely lose. I can't see them feuding with the trio (soon to be foursome with Smith) for long. But the best thing for the WWE to do with them is to put them together in a tag team. Snuka's too old to be used for anything else and Manu is too green and not good enough to be on his own, so why not make them a tag team to help out Raw's scene? I'm not saying give them the titles, just have them tag up. Couldn't do any harm, right?
 
I see what your saying NoFate Sim Snuka will be gone soon i think and well Manu need experients so i propose that Sim and Manu vs DiBiase and Rhodes (Sim and Manu lose) but they get a little hype.

The they vs The Miz n Morrison (they win 1 out of 3 but at least they get a win and some more hype)

Then they vs C M Punk n Kingston (The get an out of the nowhere win)

Then the go back to Rhodes and Dibiase and beat them. (I mean like a good match not an owning match momentom shifts nonstop)

The they get a shot at the tag team title lose through Orton, They get another title shot and win. That would make a good place for sim snuka to leave when the lose the titles and it gets manu some experience and he can find another tag team partner or get into the singles compotition
 
After all this that has happened with Legacy; in legacy, out of legacy, I would hate to see them go. It reminds me of when the Outlaws were feuding with the LOD and then the LOD was spraypainted DX on RAW. I don't want Manu and Snuka to leave. I wouldn't mind seeing them with Umaga or maybe Manu and Snuka hire the services of a well known talent not necessarily a 2nd generation superstar. They need somebody known to help build them up. The WWE needs tag-teams anyway so if they stay together with another superstar or a manager than that direction isn't bad either. Releasing them is not the answer after the exposure they have gotten. If Dibiase stayed with them tonight for a couple weeks and then turned on them at the Royal Rumble, it wouldn't have been a bad idea. But Snuka and Manu are probably vowing revenge on Legacy.

A few wins over the stable would help them a little bit. Legacy should obviously win the feud but they should quickly jump into another feud to save face. I really can't think of anything else creative can do to keep them in the WWE if it's not something along those lines.
 
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Well, the obvious idea now would be to put them together as a tag team, there both second generation stars, both samoan, they could form the next head hunters or shrinkers or wild samoans or whatever savage tag team they want to be. Now they could try to get back into Legacy, but after getting kicked out and then beaten down, it would just seem pathetic on their parts for trying to get back in. They could try feuding with them, Sim and Manu verse Cody and Ted, but I doubt that they will be able to get over enough in such a short time for them to be perceived as a legitimate threat as well as for the crowd to actually give more than two shits about them.

Perhaps a brief attempt at seeking retribution verse Legacy and then a short break followed by a slight repackaging and move to Smackdown might serve them best. Smackdown is in need of tag teams, the two will be able to re-establish themselves as not the failures of Legacy and hopefully add more competition to a very light Smackdown tag division. The two could even form a samoan stable with Umaga. Right now though, I just don't think the crowd could care less about Sim or Manu and putting them against Legacy would be just like putting Snitsky verse Cena, the fans just won't care. Even if we give them the assistance of some main eventers to help battle Legacy, I still doubt Sim and Manu will get over, so the best idea I got is send them over to Smackdown and let them develop themselves more over there.
 
If there is a Kane/Orton feud, then I suppose Sim Snuka and Manu can technically team with Kane to "even the odds" if you will in the rivalry, which could set up some interesting combinations. They can also put Kane over as a second generation superstar since his storyline father is Paul Bearer. It's a stretch, but it gives them something to do.

If not, you can move them over to Smackdown! and actually set up a stable with Umaga. That would work. Umaga should be in for a decent push since he's been out of action a while and they can just assist Umaga in getting back into the title scene or win tag titles on Smackdown!.

They can go to ECW to bring a little second generation "class" to the show and feud with guys over there.

I would say there's numerous things they can do, but I admit, without Legacy, I just don't care about them, at least yet. They just are average in the ring, not all that exciting, and they don't have any kind of killer charisma. Sure, DiBiase and Rhodes don't either, but they have much more potential.
 
Not sure how far the whole Kane/Orton storyline is going to go, seeing how the whole Legacy angle almost completely overshadowed it, and Kelly Kelly was pretty much out of sight out of mind in that whole ordeal anyway.

Not exactly sure how this is going to go at all, but I just couldn't help but think how great of a setup this would've been for a Rock return. Reading around, it seems highly unlikely, but with WM 25 coming up you never really know.

Unless it's Umaga, but last I checked he was being hyped for a Smackdown return. Then there's Batista who has his own bone to pick w/ Orton, but he's supposedly out for 5 - 7 more months.

For at least a little while, if it comes down to some sort of stable vs tag team type thing, it seems Manu and Sim are just going to be jobbers for Legacy, which sucks for them. But if the WWE decides to stick with it, there are a lot of ways that this storyline could work and work well for both sides. I guess we'll just have to wait and see where they decide to take this.
 
I meantioned this over at the Legacy thread but I believe this is going to lead to 2 stables on RAW, but they will both be strong; Manu and Snuka just need a mouthpiece or a leader. It won't be like the Dungeon of Doom, DOA, and Los Boriquas, who were not very good stables but more like the Hart Foundation, and Evolution. I wonder if they include Dustin Rhodes on any of this or if they invite him in and then turn their back on him. He could then lead Manu, and Snuka. IDK, just throwing ideas out there. I hope they know what they are doing.
 
I'd expect Sim and Manu to try and seek revenge and fail against Legacy. Then there are two options. Option one, they stay together and enter the tag division and see what they do there. Option two, they are released from the WWE. Well at least Sim is. Manu might be able to be repackaged, but Sim has pretty much done everything he could do.
 
Well i hope they just don't get back into legacy because well that is stupid. I mean look at Sim and Manu both were in Legacy both were kicked out of legacy. Manu i think was good in legacy. I didn't mind his roll. But Sim for 2 weeks jsut annoyed me on how he made it in.

Anyways i Believe Manu will turn on Sim Join Legacy and have a Foursome with DH smith not making it in. Manu could win the tag titles which is ok i guess as long as it's with Rhodes. As for Sim. He will be released and never to be heard of again. Which should of happened before they even debut.
 
I predict that legacy will remain separate from sim and manu. Legacy will end up being a stable running around helping orton out. Sim and manu will form a temporary tag team but they won't go after legacy, they'll just be thrown into filler matches. We'll see less and less of them as the weeks go by, and then they'll be released.
 
Sim and Manu are safe in my opinion. Vince loves Pacific Islanders. Whether you're from Guam, Samoa, Easter Island or whatever, if you have that ethnicity in you, chances are you'll have a job for life with McMahon. McMahon simply loves the look that Samoans in particular provide, and he lvoes their work ethic. Both of these guys are second generation wrestlers with a good blood line of great workers in them, so as I said, they aren't going anywhere.

A part of me says that these two are going to form a sort of Wild Samoansesque team, and eventually lead to a title match against Team Priceless (for all intents and purposes, Miz and morrison won't be tag champs forever).

On the flipside, I could see this as nothing but a huge inititation/hazing period from Randy Orton, with one of them making the ranks of Legacy once again, with eventually the fifth member coming into tow. It simply depends on what the WWE wants to do with this. If someone like Jericho were to move to Smackdown, leaving the WWE virtually megaheelless, Orton with a stable of a lot of guys would be perfect, and adding Sim and Manu back into the fold would work.
 
Not exactly sure how this is going to go at all, but I just couldn't help but think how great of a setup this would've been for a Rock return. Reading around, it seems highly unlikely, but with WM 25 coming up you never really know.

I actually thought this too while I was watching Raw. Seeing as Sim and Manu are both supposedly Samoan, the Rock could make a return and be just the guy to help build these two. Mind you, the Rock will probably NEVER come back to wrestle, but people can hope right?

But I agree, Sim and Manu will have a short feud with Legacy and then disappear forever or be repackaged to look better as a Samoan tag team.
 
Sim and Manu feuding with Legacy is by no means a bad thing. Manu has the physicality to bring the most out of both Rhodes and DiBiase. The fact is that these two have never really had much of an opportunity to be involved in a match with bigger guys. Manu will lend credibility to Rhodes and DiBiase and vice versa. When was the last time 3 rookies where involved in what can only be described as an awesome feud. Sure beats tagging with Hardcore Holly.

Anyway, I think the corrupt official will be an interesting angle to an otherwise great feud. I don't see them being seperated from Legacy forever. Merely to prove their worth before joining with Orton to help him get what he wants most... gold
 
Not exactly sure how this is going to go at all, but I just couldn't help but think how great of a setup this would've been for a Rock return. Reading around, it seems highly unlikely, but with WM 25 coming up you never really know.

It's funny really because the thought crossed my mind, I dismissed it as ridiculous but The Rock did say that he'll be back. Not that anyone believes him.
It makes sense though, I mean 2 stables of second generation superstars fighting it out with two third generation superstars leading them. Obviously The Rock would put Randy Orton to shame but that's a discussion for another time.

Sim and Manu? well aside from the highly unlikely event above happening I can see them either regoining Legacy or losing a short fued with them and becoming a tag team. Either way's good for me because neither guy are particularly interesting, Umaga's the best Samoan going right now (besides a Rock return, alright he's not coming back I'll let it go) and these two will probably just make up another tag team. Which is a good thing because of the extreme shortage of teams in WWE.
 
I don't think Sim and Manu will just disappear. It wouldn't make any sense for the WWE to bring up Manu and completely change Sim's gimmick to just use them for a month. I still don't think that Legacy is going to end up being Orton, Rhodes, and Dibiase, especially after seeing Dibiase's reaction after Orton talked about there only being one winner at the rumble. I still believe this storyline has a long way to go and Snuka and Manu will still play an intricate role in how it turns out.
 
Ever since Sim Snuka (aka Deuce) moved over to Raw, they've been looking for a way to repackage him. Congrats, they've found the perfect way to do it. Not only is he embracing his Family Legacy, but he's doing it in the best way he knows how to.. through a Tag Team, with another Samoan.

This WILL be a type of "this Generation" Wild Samoans team, and they will add the much needed depth to the Tag Team division. While I have to admit I'm unsure on if they'll ultimately fail or succeed, I am confident enough to believe they'll be one of the top teams on Raw through this year.. especially to feud with Priceless.

Now, as far as Manu goes; they truly haven't done anything with him. Orton wasn't lying when he said over half the people in the audience didn't even know his name. It's because outside of one or two jobbing matches against guys like Batista, or someone else, Manu hasn't been given a single victory that I'm aware of.

His finisher is forgettable. His look isn't 100% for what today's Generation wants to see, and he doesn't have much depth in promo-cutting. So without Sim Snuka and this Tag Team.. Manu would've likely been out the door.
 
Just to correct everyone Sim Snuka is not Samoan. He is from Fiji. They can still bill him as Samoan probably but didn't they already say where he is from in the introduction?

I believe they will be a tag team and they will feud with Priceless. They won't go far if they don't get a mouthpiece. What other 2nd Generation or 3rd Generation guy can lead them? Who is out there?

Its either that, or the beating they took on RAW was a way to write them out of the show for their release or to send them to OVW for training.
 
I cnat believe Sim Sucka and Manure have now got their own thread. What amazes me even more is that im taking the time to post in it. Sim Suck simply sucks, they should have fired his ass along with the other greaseball a long time ago. He has absolutely zero skills in any department related to sports entertainment. The only thing he has going for him in the eyes of management is that hes second generation, which is fucking stupid on the part of management for making that seem as important as they do.

Manure is shit but he can still be of some use, he did a moonsault once so i guess they can let him keep his job. Move him to Smackdown, give him some wild tribal face paint and have him team with the other fat samoan Umaga and boom you've got the ultimate tag team: MANUMAGA. This can help boost the severely lacking smackdown tag division(i suppose you could do the same thing except move umaga to raw, to boost raws division but whatever).

There u go....TheNextVinceRusso has spoken.
 
Well, nothing really. Sim is just a jobber who's been repackaged and still fails to entertain and Manu had no business being a member of Legacy, Priceless in the first place. Well either way these two only have two options left, either the WWE is going to wish them good luck in their future endeavors or they're going to be put in some sort of stupid tag team. Either way i see no hope for the both of them. It would be best if they got fired
 
Wow, this whole legacy thing started off so well didn't it? Does anyone else feel that it's kind of losing its direction and therefore, you're starting to lose interest?

Instead of growing in numbers and slowly decimating the other guys on the roster like Evolution used to do, the leader can't make his mind up about who he wants in his group and who he doesn't. They've successfully ambushed Punk, costing him his title, and set up Cena for a Jericho attack and that's it, so far. Punk never went on a crusade to gain revenge like we all thought he would, Batista has been eliminated from the equation until the early summer, and now they've essentially got no one else to get into a program with without splintering the group already, which is where we are now. We've never even had a chance to see the group work together as a unit because as soon as someone's added to the group, someone else is booted out. And now we've got 2nd gen referees getting involved? Sheesh!

At this point, the most sensible idea i've seen is for Manu and Sim to join forces with Kane. He's obviously got an issue with Orton over the KK thing. That's not likely to go away anytime soon, not after they spent almost a whole episode of Raw focusing on the interaction between KK and Kane. Kane also got screwed outta his match with Orton this week. They've used the whole 'Paul Bearer is your dad, so you're 2nd gen as well' idea before so they can easily re-use it, and it would be a good way for Kane to have a fued to work with heading into WM. If they're going to induct DH Smith in the group as well (though i haven't read any rumours that they will. Thought they were doing a Hart Foundation v.2 thing?), he can be the guy that Kane puts over, while the other four have a tag fued. It makes sense, because it was Priceless who brought Manu in in the first place and then kicked him to the curb at Orton's request, so he's bound to have a score to settle.

Let Orton fight for the title at WM, and have a 6 man tag to open WM or at least be in the first 3 matches between Manu/Snuka/Kane v Priceless/Smith, and then continue to have Kane put Smith over.

Then Legacy should have a similar run to Evolution.

- Orton's the champ, uses his lackey's to do his dirty work for him to ensure he keeps the belt, much like Evolution era HHH
- DH Smith should hold the IC title for a number of months, let's say 7, but he's also got to defend it frequently as well as being in fueds with guys like Kingston and Punk.
- Priceless form the equivalent of Flair and Batista, now obviously one of them isn't in his late 50's and the other isn't a 350lb muscle bound egotist, but they've proven already that they are a good team, and also the pair have a high regard for the tag belts so they'd do it some justice, but again, they've got to defend the belts frequently, and i don't mean once every 30 days, i'm talking once every 3 weeks at least.

Also, I'd like for someone to name the last second generation superstar to join World Wrestling Entertainment and get released within a year. You're all saying, 'Manu and Sim are shit, they should be released'. Do they ever release 2nd gen wrestlers before giving them a number of opportunities to get over, because i can't think of any. Hell man, Chavo Guerrero has done nothing in months and he's still hanging around, purely because he's a Guerrero. These 2 aren't going to take a Braden Walker nose dive into unemployment, and they also aren't going to have one vignette and then get sacked before even appearing on television, they'll be around for a while yet.

Oh, and the idea of joining them up with Goldust is a terrible one.
 
I'm not a huge fan of either to be honest. Neither one of these superstars have shown me they have what it takes to become anything more than a lower mid-carder. Manu has yet to give me one good match by himself, and I can't even remember the last time he won in a singles match. And I was a small fan of Sim Snuka when he was "Deuce" tagging with Domino, but he was just average to me and wasn't anything special. Nothing has changed since then.

Teaming them up would be a good thing for both of them, but I'm not too sure on a face turn for them. Manu doesn't look like anything like a face, and Sim Snuka always looks like a mean bastard. But if the WWE does it right, maybe they could turn babyfaces or tweeners so they can feud with Priceless. This angle is very interesting though, but at the same time it's very confusing.

Sim Snuka and Manu would make great tag team champions at this point, but there's not a real lot a tag team can do on Raw apart from either challenging or winning the World Tag Team Championships. The WWE should keep them around though, just in case they show potential in the near future, not to mention that Vince loves Samoans, and Manu is perfect for the "Samoan look."

But as far as what Sim Snuka and Manu can do right not, I have no clue.
 
Why dont they repackage them as the Wild Samoans II. It would only make sense. But then again, you have Umaga on Smackdown who is a super heel. I say why not have a Samoan Stable with Umaga as the leader and finally have Umaga start talking. Can You imagine how powerful they would be? They would be leading attacks on superstars such as the Undertaker, Triple-H and John Cena and even be a small competition to other superstars such as Legacy and Randy Orton.

Plus they need to make changes to Umaga's character so why not repackage him as a man who can talk. Rikishi talked didn't he? Why not Umaga? He can turn on everyone who has ever used him as an enforcer and say that he is tired oe being used and just beat the crap out of everyone. It would be entertaining and would make Umaga a better character and thus allow Snuka and Manu to follow suit and be his enforcers.
 

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