You know, maybe I really am that stupid. Two different posters have basically said that I don't know how things are. Why am I bothering. I was just going to crawl away but then I thought...what a learning opportunity. Maybe I should reply and allow Tastycles and Nightmare to help me along. Why not.
If you can't see the obvious bias in the source you quoted, there is literally no point in having this conversation with you.
I don't see the bias. It was written by an award winning british author who traced the history of british wrestling. He says that Crabtrees brother was his promoter; that Crabtree was in his forties and out of shape when he started the Big Daddy persona. From what I have read, that's all true.
Now I had read the Nagasaki info before. I knew he was a tough opponent for Daddy. And since the only matches that I could find where all Nagasaki wins or draws, I think the author was correct again.
So this brings us to his big singles matches. Seeing is believing so I found the match with Giant Haystacks.
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So this big grudge match lasted about 2:45, consisted of the two hugging each other and running into each other and had no wrestling holds at all. Lets see what Mr. Lister wrote...
There is no doubt that, for the Crabtree family at least, the Big Daddy express proved hugely successful. He was by far the best known wrestler in British history, with his own cartoon show on television; Hulkamania without the in-ring ability. His run was extended by carefully positioning him in tag matches, allowing a host of young partners (which included Davey Boy Smith, Dynamite Kid and the future Steven Regal) to carry the match before tagging Daddy in for the finish. His two biggest singles matches, defeating the Canadian 'Mighty' John Quinn in 1979 and perennial rival Giant Haystacks two years later were both inexplicably successful; claims of 18 million viewers may require a healthy dose of scepticism, but both shows sold out the 10,000 seat Wembley Arena. The loyal followers were even able to overlook the truly atrocious nature of the matches, both lasting less than three minutes.
Seems true to me. I still fail to see how what I discovered is biased or untrue. Weird.
You can show me a video of Batman doing the Mexican hat dance for all I care, but it wont change the outcome of this match. If you think that someone is going over in a legends tournament with an overhand chop, then you have no idea how things are booked.
Sure, Liger can chop. Problem is that his 'magical' chopping abilities will not help him against someone like Big Daddy. I have already said I like Liger better, but against someone the size of his opponent- he has nothing that will get the job done. If you expect me to believe that he goes over Daddy without being able to use his 3 most devastating finishers- you are nuts.
A chop is not taking down Big Daddy in a legends tourament- Liger would be booked to lose this match.
Its easy, easy.
I don't understand wrestling and booking. Magic chop. Ok.
Many times in tornement situations results are gotten without signature moves. Bret hart won the King of the Ring without the Sharpshooter. Savage used his elbowdrop two out of four matches to win the title. JYD defeated savage in the Wrestling Classic with a backdrop out of the ring. To suggest that Liger could not go over the same way is unreasonable. He could hit a moonsault or a star press. He could hit his rolling koppu kick or his shotei chop. As shown Big Daddy is vulnerable to chops, whether you like it or not. Just because he can't use the Ligerbomb or the LigerDriver is irrelevant.
Now, in your first post you said Liger could not win because of Big Daddys size. Now you say he can't win because of booking. Way to stay consistent.
Now, I am no wrestling booker but I will take a stab at what you are saying.
Match takes place at Phoenix, Arizona and is in the WCW region so we must assume it is booked by WCW. That is always the argument from you guys who use booking; HHH or Hogan wouldn't be booked to lose in the WWE region etc etc.
So we have a old, out of shape, immobile wrestler who has never left England to compete anywhere else, who is unknown to the American crowd. Who not only had to cross the Atlantic but also had to cross country.
He is taking on a agile, innovative wrestler who has competed in Canada, USA, Mexico and Japan. He has worked for WCW in the past, has held a championship in WCW, has competed at and won matches at WCW PPVs and( although he lost ) wrestled the first match ever on Monday Nitro.
And you are saying that the unknown, fat british wrestler would be booked over a former WCW employee and champion.
Guess I don't get booking.
