Top ten most TALENTED wrestlers in WWE

[Shadowmancer]

I've held out on My top 10 most talented wrestlers in the WWE because it was hard to say just after the Benoit Tragedy, if he was still Wrestling then Benoit would be in it. This will also be held to currently active Wrestlers as if you go on and examine everyone you can't say exactly a top 10. This will also be in no particular order just the guys who I feel are the top 10 right now. While I would also include OVW I won't.

1: CM Punk- While you disagree with this Slyfox, currently he is the only man on the WWE roster that has gotten a 5* match out of Meltzer, his ring work and Promo ability are top notch he controls a crowd well, if he did a proper Heel Turn in the WWE and was allowed to cut a promo he could turn the crowd in a matter of seconds. His gimmick works well and works in both Heel and Face mode.

2: William Regal- Over the last few Years has produced some great matches, he is a solid worker and is one of the best technical Wrestlers in the world. His matches against Benoit are masterpieces and they both ended up getting colour Hardway. Regal is absolute gold on the mic as well.

3: Edge- Gold on the Mic and can control the crowd well, what hasn't been said already on here.

4: Randy Orton- One of the best Heels in the WWE right now, while his fuckups outside of the ring are holding him back, if he can keep a clean nose he should be holding the WWE title belt by the PPV after SummerSlam, I forget which one it is, Survivor Series at the latest. While a majority of his matches seem to be constituted by a lot of Restholds they are timed well and applied well.

5: Montel Vontavious Porter- He has come into his own despite his Power Ranger ring attire and his consistent build up of squash matches against Indy Talent that should be looked at rather than demolished out of hand. He has shown that he can work a good program if he is put into a feud that will work out in a good way rather than in an Inferno Match.

6: Mr. Kennedy........... Kennedy- He gets a reaction just by saying his naame twice in a Microphone, by not doing it he gets instant Heat, his in ring work is good and improving. He may not have a quickfire finisher but that is something that works in his benefit as you look at the Pedigree from Triple H it isn't a quick move but it is effective. Same with Kennedy.

7: Booker T- I refuse to call him King Booker, he is one of the best workers in the WWE despite him apparently being slightly disgruntled, he can work the mic well and does good work in the ring.

8: Nick Dinsmore- If you do look past the gimmickof Eugene which he plays well, anyway you have a very talented worker. He was 7 time OVW champ and now he has a crap gimmick and is a jobber.

9: Johnny Nitro- While young he has proven that he can carry out a good match, while I still feel that it is too soon for him to have a major singles title as I feel he should of had a couple more feuds with a power wrestler, a Brawler and a Technician before he got a sniff of a world Title. He still has impressed me with his skills.

10: Jamie Noble- Can you say wasted, he is an awesome talent that hasn't been used at all, he held the Ring of Honor title which is a huge thing in the indies while he may be a Cruiser in size that doesn't stop him from being an awesome talent.

 

[Prax]

Since I am not really sure what "talented" means in this sense, I will put the ten guys I think are currently the best workers, and guys I think I have the potential to be.

1. Rey Mysterio - While I have never been a Rey Mysterio fan in the WWE, the guy is simply amazing. His psychology is phenomenal, his storytelling is superb, he is exciting to watch, and is one of the most over guys in the company. The man is 5'3" tall and was STILL the Smackdown champion, which should show just how great Mysterio really is. Now, there are things about him that I think are overrated, the fact is that you can never find a BAD Rey match, and most of them range from average to great. Factor in the fact that Rey has gone from a high flying, high risk style to a more ground based technical style and it shows just how versatile Rey is. Hell, the man got a great match out of Sabu at ONS 2 for Christ's sake. That should tell you just how amazing this man is. While it is hard for me to say it personally, Rey Mysterio barely beats out John Cena as the best worker in the WWE.

I have no problems with anything you said except for the highlighted.

Rey Mysterio? yeah he's a good worker but can you truly call him the most talented? Maybe it's the fact that these steroid allegations just came out, but wouldn't you say the same if you found out he was on the juice? I mean, looking at his frame, how can he NOT be on the juice anyway? If he is, I have no respect for him, nor do I think he should've ever been a world HEAVYWEIGHT champion. The only reason he was because WWE and Vince were riding the Eddie train.

Most overrated:
Ric Flair - While it is generally acknowledged that Flair is washed up these days, I think people still tend to overrate his ability. He was overrated in his prime, and is overrated now. His matches are just horrible now, completely lacking of any psychology, storytelling, or competent selling. The sooner Flair goes the better.

As for Ric Flair and Shawn Michaels, I think that's unfair.

Flair is a role filler right now, on his last leg, given a final opportunity before he retires and helping some of the younger guys. It's ok that his workrate has fallen because he's not there to have one hour main even matches. I agree that he wasn't the most skilled wrestler back in his day either, but he was one of the only people who could put on hour long matches, pull it off, and do it again 6 more times in that week. Sly, if you haven't watches his DVDs yet, you really have to, it's something else. The psychology in those matches, the stories they told, it truly is some of the best wrestling in history. What he does now shouldn't have a bearing on that, he's in the ring because he wants to be, and I respect that at his age.

Shawn Michaels- The guy has shown up for about 3 matches in the last 2 years. Wrestlemania 21 vs. Angle, WM 23 vs. Cena and Raw match vs. Cena. Other than that, the guy has basically been sleepwalking through matches and feuds, and the one other feud he actually appeared somewhat interested in, he completely ruined by making an ass out of himself (vs. Hogan). Maybe it is just the breaking down of his body, and when he comes back he'll be better, but Shawn Michaels has been half-assing it for years now.

As for HBK, yes his workrate has fallen as well, but the fact that he can still main event after all the injuries he's sustained is impressive. Despite half-assing it in the ring lately, and the fact that he suffers from "five moves of doom" syndrome, he's put on some very memorable matches and has done a tremendous amount of things for the business, despite his ego. In fact, I think the Attitude Era could partially be attributed to him, since he was at the top of the business when it started, even though it was overshadowed by his ego and his injuries. Anyway, I guess it's arguable whether he should be in the top ten, but I certainly don't think he should be in the overrated category either. He certainly has talent in the ring, on the mic and all around, and can carry the company on his back if it was asked for him, and could still do it to a certain extent at his current age, which is impressive. But until he got injured he was filling a gap that was there because of injuries.

 

[Slyfox696]

I pretty much disagree with most of your list, but there is one thing in particular that I wish to point out.

: CM Punk- While you disagree with this Slyfox, currently he is the only man on the WWE roster that has gotten a 5* match out of Meltzer, his ring work and Promo ability are top notch he controls a crowd well, if he did a proper Heel Turn in the WWE and was allowed to cut a promo he could turn the crowd in a matter of seconds. His gimmick works well and works in both Heel and Face mode.

This is not true. The following wrestlers have all put on a Meltzer rated 5 Star Match:

Ric Flair
Shawn Michaels
The Undertaker

And, Chris Benoit used to be on here...but yeah. Bastard.

 

[Slyfox696]

Rey Mysterio? yeah he's a good worker but can you truly call him the most talented? Maybe it's the fact that these steroid allegations just came out, but wouldn't you say the same if you found out he was on the juice? I mean, looking at his frame, how can he NOT be on the juice anyway? If he is, I have no respect for him, nor do I think he should've ever been a world HEAVYWEIGHT champion. The only reason he was because WWE and Vince were riding the Eddie train.

I think this goes back to what does "talent" really mean. Since I wasn't sure how talent was being referred to, I just listed the Top 10 workers. Talent and quality are two different things.

And, I feel perfectly justified in putting Mysterio as my number 1.

And, if steroids hurt a guys chances to be the most talented, does that eliminate Chris Benoit? Did it eliminate Eddie Guerrero? Did it eliminate Shawn Michaels? Ric Flair? Hulk Hogan? In pro wrestling, steroids are as common as they are not. To hold it against someone for doing the same thing that many others do, or have done, I don't think is fair. So, I just throw the idea of steroids out the door, and went for the Top 10, regardless of how they do it.

Flair is a role filler right now, on his last leg, given a final opportunity before he retires and helping some of the younger guys. It's ok that his workrate has fallen because he's not there to have one hour main even matches. I agree that he wasn't the most skilled wrestler back in his day either, but he was one of the only people who could put on hour long matches, pull it off, and do it again 6 more times in that week. Sly, if you haven't watches his DVDs yet, you really have to, it's something else. The psychology in those matches, the stories they told, it truly is some of the best wrestling in history. What he does now shouldn't have a bearing on that, he's in the ring because he wants to be, and I respect that at his age.

First, endurance does not automatically translate to great wrestling. Just because someone can wrestle for 60 minutes, does not make him a good wrestler, nor does it make that match a good match. It just means that said wrestler is in shape.

And, I was strictly referring to his work now. I made a passing comment about how overrated he was in the past, but that comment was strictly referring to now. And now, in-ring wise, he's not good enough to be called out of the development leagues. If it wasn't Ric Flair, but some 25 year old nobody in OVW, with the exact same skills and maybe even a better body, he would not make the main-event roster.

As for HBK, yes his workrate has fallen as well, but the fact that he can still main event after all the injuries he's sustained is impressive. Despite half-assing it in the ring lately, and the fact that he suffers from "five moves of doom" syndrome, he's put on some very memorable matches and has done a tremendous amount of things for the business, despite his ego. In fact, I think the Attitude Era could partially be attributed to him, since he was at the top of the business when it started, even though it was overshadowed by his ego and his injuries. Anyway, I guess it's arguable whether he should be in the top ten, but I certainly don't think he should be in the overrated category either. He certainly has talent in the ring, on the mic and all around, and can carry the company on his back if it was asked for him, and could still do it to a certain extent at his current age, which is impressive. But until he got injured he was filling a gap that was there because of injuries.

The fact that people are putting him in a Top 10 makes him overrated. Again, I am not referring to body of work, but rather present day HBK (well, before he was hurt). And the fact is that HBK was generally disinterested, lackluster, and relied too much on reputation. And that's fine, I have no problem with that for someone of his age and reputation, not to mention how he battled through injuries. But, he is still overrated by people, especially those that put him in a Top 10.

 

[Prax]

I think this goes back to what does "talent" really mean. Since I wasn't sure how talent was being referred to, I just listed the Top 10 workers. Talent and quality are two different things.

And, I feel perfectly justified in putting Mysterio as my number 1.

And, if steroids hurt a guys chances to be the most talented, does that eliminate Chris Benoit? Did it eliminate Eddie Guerrero? Did it eliminate Shawn Michaels? Ric Flair? Hulk Hogan? In pro wrestling, steroids are as common as they are not. To hold it against someone for doing the same thing that many others do, or have done, I don't think is fair. So, I just throw the idea of steroids out the door, and went for the Top 10, regardless of how they do it.

The difference, in my opinion, is that a lot of the people you listed would still be somewhere in the wrestling industry if it wasn't for steroids. Benoit still has skill without the Steroids, Hogan was still Hulkamania without the steroids, Eddie still was one of the best technical wrestlers in the world without it, Flair could still tell a story in the ring, Michaels was still the cocky son of a bitch that helped usher in the attitude, era, etc. It's an intangible that's open to discussion, I know, but with the guys you mentioned, this is how I see it. Steroids, in their case, were taken because they were beat up and wary of working all those nights but I don't think it affected their talent, skill in the ring all that much. That's not the case for Rey.

In my humble opinion, Rey Mysterio might probably not even be a wrestler if it wasn't for steroids. He would be smaller than Spike Dudley, for crying out loud, if he wasn't on the juice. he can bench like 2-3 times his weight, which shouldn't be humanly possible, looking at him. He's a freak of nature and never should he have been a world champion, and for me that opinion will only be amplified if the steroid allegations are true. Looking at a picture of him, you think that someone shouldn't look like that at his size.

First, endurance does not automatically translate to great wrestling. Just because someone can wrestle for 60 minutes, does not make him a good wrestler, nor does it make that match a good match. It just means that said wrestler is in shape.

I don't think it's detrimental to great wrestling either.

But my point was that, considering those matches were an hour long, Flair was able to put on tremendous matches and tell tremendous stories with his opponents. Truly, those hour long matches are the stuff of legends.

And, I was strictly referring to his work now. I made a passing comment about how overrated he was in the past, but that comment was strictly referring to now. And now, in-ring wise, he's not good enough to be called out of the development leagues. If it wasn't Ric Flair, but some 25 year old nobody in OVW, with the exact same skills and maybe even a better body, he would not make the main-event roster.

People still love Flair. He wants to be in the ring, and he isn't politicking to win any belts or for any extra TV time, other than maybe leading into his retirement, which would be totally justified anyway. Considering this, and considering he plays a great role in helping out younger talent (Carlito comes to mind, I agree Carlito is overrated but he has been working a litle harder since the feud with Flair, although maybe it's still too early to tell.), and people still want to see him, I have no problem with him being on the roster right now. He entertains me more than half the people on the roster anyway.

He's not the most skilled wrestler anymore, obviously, nor would I put him near any current top ten list, but he isn't detrimental to the business, nor is he meant to carry a title of most talented at the moment. I don't think anyone would put Flair in a current top 10, so I don't see how he's overrated. You contradict yourself here with what you say about Shawn Michaels.

The fact that people are putting him in a Top 10 makes him overrated. Again, I am not referring to body of work, but rather present day HBK (well, before he was hurt). And the fact is that HBK was generally disinterested, lackluster, and relied too much on reputation. And that's fine, I have no problem with that for someone of his age and reputation, not to mention how he battled through injuries. But, he is still overrated by people, especially those that put him in a Top 10.

Looking back at my original top 10, I do kind of see why others would take precedence over him in a top ten list, considering responses I saw after mine and some of the wrestlers put on the list. But I still don't consider him overrated, based on the fact that despite his disinterest, he still manages to carry the company on his back to a certain extent. If a disinterested HBK can wrestle in the main event at 42 years old, it shows that he has talent, at 42, 35, 25 or 18.

 

[HBKshowstoppa]

Shawn Michaels- The guy has shown up for about 3 matches in the last 2 years. Wrestlemania 21 vs. Angle, WM 23 vs. Cena and Raw match vs. Cena. Other than that, the guy has basically been sleepwalking through matches and feuds, and the one other feud he actually appeared somewhat interested in, he completely ruined by making an ass out of himself (vs. Hogan). Maybe it is just the breaking down of his body, and when he comes back he'll be better, but Shawn Michaels has been half-assing it for years now.






So ends Slyfox's analysis. Feel free to bash, praise or not care.[/QUOTE]

Let the bashing begin.

Shawn has shown up for 3 matches in two years? He main-evented lots of Raws, Street fight with Edge, triple threat with Edge/Orton, all those handicap matches or steel cage matches with the spirit squad/Vince/Shane, all the DX main-events, and the list goes on. He's still one of the best because he can put on great matches, and can make you get behind him like no other guy. He made Cena look like Bret Hart in those two classic matches they had on Raw and at WM23. Maybe you'd be mad too if some washed up old man came back for Summerslam just to win and make money when he doesn't even give a damn about the business, only about himself. Shawn has given over twenty years of his life to wrestling and has always been one of the best. Did he sleepwalk through the DX reformation too? If you think so your a fool, when DX was around for those months, they main-evented about every ppv so how could Shawn only have 3 matches? By the way Shawn could sleepwalk through a match and end up putting on a better show than about half of WWE's roster.

 

[Slyfox696]

The difference, in my opinion, is that a lot of the people you listed would still be somewhere in the wrestling industry if it wasn't for steroids. Benoit still has skill without the Steroids, Hogan was still Hulkamania without the steroids, Eddie still was one of the best technical wrestlers in the world without it, Flair could still tell a story in the ring, Michaels was still the cocky son of a bitch that helped usher in the attitude, era, etc. It's an intangible that's open to discussion, I know, but with the guys you mentioned, this is how I see it. Steroids, in their case, were taken because they were beat up and wary of working all those nights but I don't think it affected their talent, skill in the ring all that much. That's not the case for Rey.

In my humble opinion, Rey Mysterio might probably not even be a wrestler if it wasn't for steroids. He would be smaller than Spike Dudley, for crying out loud, if he wasn't on the juice. he can bench like 2-3 times his weight, which shouldn't be humanly possible, looking at him. He's a freak of nature and never should he have been a world champion, and for me that opinion will only be amplified if the steroid allegations are true. Looking at a picture of him, you think that someone shouldn't look like that at his size.

Oh, I have no doubt that Mysterio is on steroids, and probably HGH as well. I'm not arguing that point. But, you can watch him back when he was a 140 pound teenager back in 1994 and still see him wrestling. Now, as the years have gone one, he's gotten bigger and bigger no doubt. But, to say that he wouldn't still be a wrestler is not entirely accurate as he was wrestling back when he didn't even weigh a buck fifty. And, make no mistake about it, most, if not all the guys mentioned (Benoit, Hogan, Eddie etc) more than likely to steroids to get ahead of the game. Sure, they had good talent, but their talent did not get them anywhere without the large frame and big muscles, at least not in the US.

If you take steroids out of the equation, Mysterio is clearly one of the three best workers in the WWE, and in my opinion, the best. His only negative is his completely ridiculous finisher and his small stature. One can't be helped and the other is still just ridiculous. But, other than that, Mysterio is phenomenal in the ring.

People still love Flair. He wants to be in the ring, and he isn't politicking to win any belts or for any extra TV time, other than maybe leading into his retirement, which would be totally justified anyway. Considering this, and considering he plays a great role in helping out younger talent (Carlito comes to mind, I agree Carlito is overrated but he has been working a litle harder since the feud with Flair, although maybe it's still too early to tell.), and people still want to see him, I have no problem with him being on the roster right now. He entertains me more than half the people on the roster anyway.

He's not the most skilled wrestler anymore, obviously, nor would I put him near any current top ten list, but he isn't detrimental to the business, nor is he meant to carry a title of most talented at the moment. I don't think anyone would put Flair in a current top 10, so I don't see how he's overrated. You contradict yourself here with what you say about Shawn Michaels.

While I personally can't stand to watch Flair anymore, I don't really have a problem with him being on the roster. He still has value to the company certainly. But, for anyone to call Flair anything other than piss poor these days is to completely overrate him.

Looking back at my original top 10, I do kind of see why others would take precedence over him in a top ten list, considering responses I saw after mine and some of the wrestlers put on the list. But I still don't consider him overrated, based on the fact that despite his disinterest, he still manages to carry the company on his back to a certain extent. If a disinterested HBK can wrestle in the main event at 42 years old, it shows that he has talent, at 42, 35, 25 or 18.

Overrated does not necessarily mean bad. Overrated simply means that he is not as good as he is hyped up to be. CM Punk in 2005-2006 and Samoa Joe currently are good examples of what it means to be overrated. Does it mean that they are bad wrestlers? No. Just that they are not as good as advertised.

So it goes with HBK, in my opinion of course. People talk about his greatness and how he is one of the best in the WWE, and it simply is not so. Maybe after he takes time off to get injuries healed, he can come back with a recharged battery, a new body, and go back to putting on great shows again. I do not want to underestimate how much injuries can disinterest a person. But, currently, HBK is overrated for his current in-ring work. The only time HBK bothers to show up is when the spotlight is shining brightest on him. And that is just not the way a wrestler should be.

 

[kieran_devlin]

1. Undertaker - His wrestlemania streak says it all this is the best the WWE has had ever, hes bigger than the belts by miles and has been respected in the WWE by fans and wrestlers all over, he can exectute moves perfectly in the ring and is the best damn wrestler ever even more of a legend than Hulk Hogan. Only problem is he seems to job a lot and dosnt say nah im not doing it stuff you vince im the best youve ever had and i took all your crap storylines!

2. CM Punk - His ROH fights were berserk and he can pull off both high flying moves and more matt based ones and i agree he will be over untill the end of time.

3. Mr Kennedy - I love his character and how he wrestlers i like his ability and could be in some high profile fueds in the future.

4. Kane - Man is he underrated he is so powerfull and can pull of like every single power move ever unlike Boreista, when he does sometimes and i mean he hardly cuts promos but his are way kool.

5. HHH - I know some people get sick of him but i like him, he can cut promos and even is willing to job to rising stars who should lick his boots clean, some comitment to his profession i say.

6. Randy Orton - Recently he has improved in and ut of the ring, i hear hes calmed down and i see in the ring hes getting new moves like that kool shoulder breaker and evolving.

7. HBK - Look how he can wrestle pull of moves and can cut a great promo all at his age, i loved his piledriver to Cena at WM 23 i was like YAS DIE CENA DIE!

8. Edge - Had some of the best matches ever and for that congrats, he has ability but needs a new finisher a spear is just a set up to a finisher (only Rhino can do it as a finisher but hes a train/tank/brickwall) WHC yeah turn him face and have batista look like the bad guy that would get Edge over

9. Shelton - Hes athletic and can pull of the moves to make him great but he seems to know hes a natural and seems to try to coast and take it easy this makes him shoody i say shelton get your A game every time and youll be on top sooner!

10. Matt has been in the wwe as long as some of the other top guys and he seems to have the strength and defo ability to pull of great matches he needs that US title to push him to the next level and give the US title some prestige and he can cut kool promos when he does them!

Other mentions go to Rey Mysterio, London/kendrick, MVP, Umaga and Tommy Dreamer (easily one of the best in ecw he could kick CENAS ass all over ecw)

ALSO CENA IS A IDIOT HE CANT WRESTLE HAS NO MOVES AND IS ONLY SECOND WORST TO LASHLEY THE ALL TIME WORST WRESTLER SINCE ULTIMATE WARRIOR WHO FREQUENTLY RAN OUT OF BREATH IN MATCHES!

 

[Slyfox696]

Let the bashing begin.

Shawn has shown up for 3 matches in two years? He main-evented lots of Raws, Street fight with Edge, triple threat with Edge/Orton, all those handicap matches or steel cage matches with the spirit squad/Vince/Shane, all the DX main-events, and the list goes on. He's still one of the best because he can put on great matches, and can make you get behind him like no other guy. He made Cena look like Bret Hart in those two classic matches they had on Raw and at WM23. Maybe you'd be mad too if some washed up old man came back for Summerslam just to win and make money when he doesn't even give a damn about the business, only about himself. Shawn has given over twenty years of his life to wrestling and has always been one of the best. Did he sleepwalk through the DX reformation too? If you think so your a fool, when DX was around for those months, they main-evented about every ppv so how could Shawn only have 3 matches? By the way Shawn could sleepwalk through a match and end up putting on a better show than about half of WWE's roster.

1. When I said Shawn has only shown up for 3 matches in two years, I didn't mean that literally. It was figuratively, meaning that he's only gone 100% in those three matches.

2. He did not make Cena look like anybody. If anything, Cena made HBK look like the Michaels of old.

3. Politics should not matter to a wrestler once the curtain is drawn and the spotlight is on. For HBK to in front of the paying crowd and paying PPV audience and to act like a selfish assclown is unprofessional. If he has problems, then they should stay in the back.

4. DX only main-evented one PPV (Vengeance, I believe), which was a joke that they even did that. The WWE title, on a Raw only brand PPV was relegated to midcard status, so HHH and his buddy HBK could beat 5 men by themselves, 5 midcard cheerleaders no less, only one of which is even on the roster anymore.

5. I don't disagree that a sleepwalking HBK can put on a better match than half of the current roster. Doesn't mean he belongs in a top 10, and doesn't mean he is not overrated.

 

[HBKshowstoppa]

1. When I said Shawn has only shown up for 3 matches in two years, I didn't mean that literally. It was figuratively, meaning that he's only gone 100% in those three matches.

2. He did not make Cena look like anybody. If anything, Cena made HBK look like the Michaels of old.

3. Politics should not matter to a wrestler once the curtain is drawn and the spotlight is on. For HBK to in front of the paying crowd and paying PPV audience and to act like a selfish assclown is unprofessional. If he has problems, then they should stay in the back.

4. DX only main-evented one PPV (Vengeance, I believe), which was a joke that they even did that. The WWE title, on a Raw only brand PPV was relegated to midcard status, so HHH and his buddy HBK could beat 5 men by themselves, 5 midcard cheerleaders no less, only one of which is even on the roster anymore.

5. I don't disagree that a sleepwalking HBK can put on a better match than half of the current roster. Doesn't mean he belongs in a top 10, and doesn't mean he is not overrated.

Shawn only went 100% on 3 matches in two years? Bullshit have you even watched Raw sometime in two years? I beleive he easily belongs in a top ten, and is by no means 'overrated'. How did Shawn act like a selfish assclown? He sold Hogan's moves like they were going out of style(which they did sometime in the early 80's.) How many matches had Cena had that you would actually watch again before his WM23 and Raw matches with HBK? Sure HBK isn't as good as 90's HBK anymore but everybody gets older. He's been told twice his career was over, and still came back to wrestling.

 

[Shocky]

I think sly's analysis of his overrated are fair, if you are talking about the current day incarnations of them. I left Triple H, and Michaels off my list for a reason, they aren't the workers they used to be, plain and simple. Triple H has been shit for two years now, and outside of the feud with Angle, Shawn Michaels has been very lackluster. Now, this may have very little to do with the actual wrestlers, but more to do with whom they are booked against.

Onto RVD. I think the analysis is correct, but for the wrong reasons. Blame Triple H for begging vince to start up the dreaded banned moves list, and this is the problem with RVD. RVD was white hot in the WWE and got over on his own accord, until the Elimination Chamber incident, and RVD being buried afterwards. RVD was the main reason to tune into an ECW pay per view, because you knew you were going to get your moneys worth with him. RVD's "shoot" interviews are fantastic, they are very stinging and resonate quite well. I can't say enough good things about RVD. While I agree, I agree for different reasons. Blame the company for strangle holding his moveset, not the wrestler.

Now onto "Talented" I take talented as meaning scientific, and that's how I did my list. So this is why Cena isn't on my list. If it was ten hardest workers, even the biggest Cena hater would have to acknowledge Cena as worthy of being on that list. That being said, just because I think Cena is a helluva worker, doesn't mean I think he should be in my top ten list, I'm just not high on power 'rasslin anymore.

 

[kieran_devlin]

Cena isnt hot on his account, his ability and holding the damn title to long without the moves to back up, i mean look at how he beat Michaels at WM 23, even Michaels Piledriverd him onto steps and he still wins.

Taker cant beat Khali but Cena can if you ask me he makes WWE look FAKE.

He is in no way deserving of the title id rather Orton who works his ass off recently wins the WWE title from Cena and Cena goes back to Smackdown.

I mean he cant beat Edge but magically beats him when he might go to Smackdown.

Cena bashing is very deserving many seem to agree he sucks no matter how many children fans and however long he holds the belt no matter if it is the biggest prize in the WWE.

Hey if Cena is getting paid loads i think hed be promoting WWE the way he does and working hard. If i was Vince id be steaming if Cena wasnt working hard.

 

[relik]

Cena deserves to be on no one lists. Nor does Lashley. MY top 10 in no order:

1 &2. The Hardy's- They're in-ring skills are great and I can't remember watching a match of either one of them and saying damn that sucked. They just need to improve their mic skills

3. Edge- The whole package. Great wrestler, his promo's are gold. I can't really say one bad thing about him.

4. Orton- I thought I heard since teh incident in europe he's been getting his act together. But once he finally grows up and mature's he's the next HHH-tier heel.

5. Kennedy- Future hall of famer in the making.

6. Kane- The big red machine imo always puts on a great match and I feel he is incredibly underrated.

7. William Regal- He is probably the best technical wrestler WWE has now.

8 &9 . WGTT- Great wrestlers but they'll get above their mid-card status'

10 & 11. LonDrick- They are phenomonal wrestlers that always entertain.

I know I put 11 but deal with it. Honorable Mention to those that are injured: Rey Mysterio, HHH and HBK. I don't see why everyone loves CM Punk, I just don't see what's so special about him, maybe cuz I never seen his ROH stuff, but I don't care for him.

 

[RKO Evolution]

Maybe this won't even get out or I'll get spammed but anyways. I've not been a member for long but reading these posts I've noticed that there is much negative comments about WWE wrestlers! Yes, there's some crappy wrestlers/entertainers out there but not all of them.

So which wrestlers in the WWE you like?

 

[Unrated Superstar]

Well Mr. Topic Starter, you didn't say who you like yourself, but judging by your sig and your username, I guess it's safe to assume you're a passionate John Cena fan. (kidding)

I actually think this is a fairly good concept for a thread, as it can be a place where people can simply discuss anyone they like and why, rather than just one particular person, or who people like in relation to another subject. Simple, but good. Kudos, RKO man.

Let's see...I like Carlito, for one. He isn't everyone's cup of tea, but he's my hero now. At first I didn't even like him, I thought "Hey, this guy's got a weird hairdo and talks like Ricky Ricardo!" But he's really grown on me. Case in point, when he beat John Cena in his debut match for the U.S. title, I wasn't that thrilled, but when he beat Cena and spit in his face last Monday, I was...well...thrilled. I loved it. But then again I've always been a Cena hater (oops, that's not what this topic is about). But I definitely would like to see Carlito as a world champion.

Kennedy is another superstar I didn't like at first who grew on me as time went on. I wish to see him win a world title too, only difference between him and Carlito is that with Kennedy that wish is a little more realistic.

Shelton Benjamin is good too, although he has no mic skills.

Kane is fucking awesome, I want to see him as WHC in the worst way.

Undertaker...he needs no explanation.

The Rock was my favorite back in the day. I thought his wrestling skills were decent, and as far as mic skills he left John Cena in the dust.

Jimmy Wang Yang...so fun to watch, and when he was leaving the stage at the Smackdown/ECW show I went to and he heard me and my friends cheering for him, he turned to us and pointed at us. What a sport.

Other random mentions would have to be Edge, Rey Mysterio, Shawn Michaels, Booker T, and CM Punk.

 

[Da Vinci's Nightmare]

Ah, a love giving topic! how rare in this fair world of WZForums!

I have to give love to Edge, he is such a good superstar, fantastic heel and I think he really came into his own during the Hardy/Lita/Edge love triangle story line.

CM Punk aswell. Man this kid is keeping ECW afloat atm. His talent is soo good, even tho he ahs been watered down in WWE. His gimmick is original aswell.

Mr Kennedy. Now I am not a big fan of his in ring work, but man do his promo's crack me up, especially his promo's in OVW.

 

[RKO Evolution]

Well Mr. Topic Starter, you didn't say who you like yourself, but judging by your sig and your username, I guess it's safe to assume you're a passionate John Cena fan. (kidding)

Good point, how did I miss mine .

The present:
First of all I have to go with Randy Orton (suprise). He's fairly good on the mic and great athlete in the ring. I like him better as a heel and it suits him to be little arrogant. I've liked him from the day he was part of the Evolution.

Noteforthy
Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker, Triple H (only as a heel), Shelton Benjamin, Edge, Jeff Hardy and Umaga (yes, that's right).

Ric Flair, got to give it to Flair, still wrestling and he's like 80.

And last but not least,hopefully this doesn't get me crucified, but I have nothing against John Cena. He knows how to entertain, maybe he doesn't have the best real wrestling skills, but this is the WWE.

The past:
Kurt Angle, nobody can't say nothing about the wrestling skills.

The Rock, my favorite wrestler of all time, didn't see much him wrestle cause I started to watch wrestling when he started to leave. (WWE wasn't shown in my country back then)

 

[Unrated Superstar]

Yeah, Kurt Angle is very good, and I forgot to mention Jeff Hardy. Some people don't like him and say all he can do is spots, but hey, go with what works. He's fun to watch is all I can say.

You really missed out not getting to see The Rock in all his glory. I started watching wrestling at the end of 98, and Rock was getting pretty big around that time. I loved The Rock, he was so entertaining, and had a style all his own. How I wish he would come back.

 

[LadyFranchise]

Mr.Kennedy: Superstar in the making right here. His ring work is not all that but his promos and mic skills make up for it.

John Morrison: Mini HBK. In the future I see him moving away from ECW to play with the big boys.

Edge:This man deserves all the credit in the world. He is solid in the ring and perfect on the mic. It's a shame that his title reign had to end early because of an injury.

 

[Kourtney_Game]

Mine would have to be, because u said WWE im not sure of how far back were going so from 2002 on mine would be:

1. Triple H- i am a fan gurl of his, but its because he puts on great matches, is a decent "Wrestler" is a great entertainer and can hang with the best and has defeated the best, and has produced 2 of the greatest factions in the we in my opinion, has always had a great character In my opinion and is a ten time wwe champion and lots more

2. The Undertaker- Great is the word that describes this man. awesome ring prescence, great wrestling ability, has become very versatile, has too me the greastest finisher ever, one of the ccreatest charcter to date, and many more

3. Shawn Micheals- Awesome awesome and the wwf/e's most greatest in ring performer of all time in my opinion and hes very entertaining and as for his 5 moves of doom, every time i see him do it i enjoy it unless its on a guy like taker and looks totally impossible, hes flashy, and hes very technical.

4. I was going to put bret hart but becasue im only naming stars after 2002 i'll place jericho here (He's canadian, i love canadias) but anyways hes probably the most talented man i know very entertaining and awesome wrestler, and is very much worth the title scene and main event..

5. Steve Austin and the rock - This one is a bit tricky, u see, i think austin's talented as hell and can put on a great show, and i like him because his character was the best character too me during the 97-2001 era, also he fought with mcmahon and made for awesome story and history, his wrestling ability was very limited and rather pathetic but talent wise, hes a keeper, so goes wiyth the rock, decent wrestling but hes so fucking entertaining, he deservs to have a spot and of course he championship material.

6. Kurt Angle- Submisions were crazy, awesome "wrestler", great performer, and can make any wrestlers true ability come out in a match.

7. Chris Bnoit- Oh Benoit i just love this man (He's canandian), but anyweays he has great technical wrestling skills, can own anyone, mic skills sucked but worked very well with others in wrestling segments..ie kurt angle with eddie and chavo. has definently proved himself.

8. Rob Van Dam- Yes this man is amazing, had done it all, awesome performer indeed, always keeps fans on the edge of their seat, and finally got the push he deserved in my opinion beating cena and showing the world why he is championship material.

9. Chyna- Amazing Amazon...this girl kicked so much ass and held on with the men, has won IC title has survived royal rumble, wrestles decently but i just loved when she'd dominate the girls lol.

10. Randy Orton- this guy barely makes it, see, he is a good wrestler and an awesome talent, but hes a little short of the main event status, but i placed him here becaus hes been constantly proving himself to be that great star that he will be very soon.


bcus everyones making other lists, i'll makes some too:
Most overrated:

*John cena: Has been since WM 21 and constantly pushed in our faces, and always overcomes the odds and never fucking cheats, god when will he go heel, i still wont like him, but i'll at least stomache him. and i really dont want anyone to argue with my (Sly) because im just stating my opinion.

*Rey Mysterio-Has been since eddie died and thats all i'll say there

*Bobby Lshely- Is not worthy of the title and is not worthy of the mic and was oushed in our faces with his fued with mcmahon

*Bastista-Oh lord this guy sickens me, hes slow as hell, wrestles like am ogre, not entertaining for the least bit but is still getting pushed in our faces.

*CM punk-is always being talked about, with the sXe, and his love for competition and his respect for the old ECW it gets boring.

*Cody Rhodes-Hahahah i just want to laugh when he came to the wwe and with the randy orton thing, everyone was trying to make him out to be sopecial, hes a crapper...okay thats all.

 

[Mad Metal]

Here is my top 10 list:

#01 - Ken Kennedy - Charisma + good speaker + solid wrestler = TOTAL PACKAGE

#02 - Edge - Greatest WWE champion since Eddie Guerrero

#03 - Triple H - One of the best in the business. I don't really need to explain myself here, especially if you seen his work.

#04 - Montel Vontavious Porter - excellent rising star with an even brighter future

#05 - Shawn Michaels - old timer that you can never get tired of with such a passion

#06 - The Undertaker - he's not the legend, he is thee legend. Someone who was always there while I was watching WWE/wrestling, unlike majority/all other names....

#07 - CM Punk - another excellent rising star

#08 - Matt Hardy - alot of potential and talent

#09 - Rey Mysterio - unbelievable heavyweight wrestler, but IMHO he is a decent wrestler and is a great person in general (as corny that might sound) and represent of my people

#10 - Randy Orton - a young, cocky trouble maker that holds him back from being the next big thing but the downside doesn't cover the fact he's full of talent

 

[Lil Wes]

10- Elijah Burke-Very talented on both on the mic and in the ring. He's on ECW right now but when he makes his move. He should be a big time player

9-Rey Mysterio-Excellent..Excellent..Excellent at putting on a great match that will have you on the edge of your seat. Unbelievable at some tof the things he can do. He can put on a show

8-Randy Orton- Very good wrestler who has a great future ahead of him. Could have already been a multiple time champ if he could keep his ass out of trouble. Good mic worker and great heel. The legend killer just might become a legend

7-MVP- This guy is the future of WWE..Excellent heel. Fantastic on the mic. Never seen a bad MVP promo. His in ring work is getting better by the month..He's something special

6-Edge-Another great heel who has done alot in his career from tag teaming to singles competition. Great in the ring. Never fails to deliver an exciting match worth watching..

5-Undertaker-He's done it all. He's getting old and still puts on great matches. Even took one of the worst wrestlers in quite some time in Batista and put on a very good match at WM. Great character. Great wrestler.

4-Triple H-He is that damn good. One of the best ever on the mic. By far the best heel in the business. He literally makes you despise him. In ring work has always been good.

3-HBK- Very good wrestler who has done it all in his career and has had plenty of classic feuds and matches. You never get tired of watching good ol HBK..

2-Shelton Benjamin-IMO the most underrated wrestler I have ever seen. The only reason he is in tagging is his lack of mic skills..Jesus Christ who cares when you can put on fantastic matches like Shelton can. If he was givin time He could be one hell of a superstar. Great in-ring work has both mat skills and high flying ability..Most athletic on the roster IMO

1-Mrrrrrrrrrr.Kennnneeeeedyyyyyyy- The future is right here. He and Trips are the best on the mic. The guy also is a great wrestler and good heel. His time will come shortly. He should be a big name here in a few years. I wouldn't doubt it....Kennedy

 

[jawn87]

Im not ranking or ordering these in any way.

The Undertaker - i know i know, most of you dont care, but lets face it, the guys 42 years old and can still whoop ass, fly over the ropes, still maintain the "best pure striker" title to his name and is undefeated at WM. 15-0 man, amazing streak. yes he needs to retire one day but not now, hes still the man and all of you know this.

C.M. Punk/Randy Orton - im doing one on both, in my opinion, these 2 guys got lost somewhere in the times because i strongly believe these 2 belong in there with the 80's and 90's guys, im sorry, but they are that damn good. ^__^ amazing atheletes, countless championships for being their age, and i believe that one day this would make a great feud for either the WWE championship or the world heavyweight championship.

Triple H - what can i say? he rose to the top in what 3 years of his career, or 4 years, and how long did it take some of the talent to do rise? 8-10. in my opinion, THE GREATEST HEEL performer the WWE will ever see. to be 10 times the king or even 16 times the king is enough for me to think the guy is amazing.

HBK - THE SHOWSTOPPA, THE ICON, THE MAIN EVENT! this guy has impressed me as much as the undertaker over the years and im just glad to see that hes still got it. Greatest ladder match/iron man match performer ive ever seen.

Mr. Kennedy - amazing athelete, loved the fast rise but wwe ruined his character, remember when kennedy would joke and stuff on smackdown, or be sorta funny in his own way, yeah RAW ruined that. now hes a pissed off the next Triple H lol. but still the guys got talent and i cannot take that away from him.

Edge - Forescore 9 years later the guy makes the biggest impact on me when he stole the WWE title from John Cena. i was happy. i wasnt happy that he stole the WHC from taker, cause clearly taker is millions of times better than him, but im glad he was champion and not batista. im glad that SD! at least kept it old school. When he won the WWE title i froze, i couldnt talk for a minute, it was that amazing because it was the one thing i had thought was gonna happen and when it did, i was amazed.

Johnny Nitro - this guy should be on Smackdown winning the WHC soon because they did a good job repackaging him into John Morrison, and now hes ready for big gold. great athelete and soo much better on his own even though he was still that good when he was with mercury.

Candice Michelle - slowly becoming my dreamgirl everyday, im hooked on layla but its .. its goin away lol. Candice has improved a hell of alot. and im glad shes now the womens champion and can prove to the world that the womens division isnt down under.

Kenny Dykstra - This guy is good and needs to be put into the United States Title Picture. RIGHT NOW! it would be a good thing you know? so that it isnt always between MVP and Matt Hardy, no hate on either one, but Kenny needs to get into that picture.

Matt Hardy - This guy is just as great as edge is, and he deserves a WHC to his credit more than anyone right now. hes been in the game longer than edge, and he needs to get out of this US title picture and get himself some WORLD gold, it would be fantastic to finally see one of the hardys, if not both of them just capture world gold even if just once.

 

[Fizzy]

my top 10

10. umaga- he is great in the ring and has amazing agility for a man 300+ pounds. he amazes me

9. kennedy- wat can i say he has amazing talent and awsome mic skills. i think he should have the title soon

8. kane- he is getting older but so wat he has been here for a long time and can still do high risk moves even at his weight and height

7. johnny nitro- he is young, athletic, and has pretty good mic skills. he needs a finisher though u dont see somebody with 5 worl titles but no finisher i think tht is wat is holding him back.

6. john cena- u dont have to like him but he gets the crowd pumped when he comes out. He has great mic skills but needs a better move set i mean he has like 5 moves wtf is tht.

5. cm punk- young,athletic,great moveset and ok mic skills he has the complete package and he should be on top in the near future he will be great.

4. bobby lashley- all u people who think he cant wrestle thts bull he has tons of amature titles. he has ok mic skills,young,strong he will be great i see him with at least 5 titles by the end of his career.

3. undertaker- how many people do u no tht are 42 and can still wrestle a match like the undertaker. i mean he is great one of the best ever and still is one of the best.

2. triple h- he is one of the greatest ever he is big and still can go for 60+ minutes he is great still even though he is getting older i see a few more titles coming his way before he retires.

1. shawn michales- he is my idol he is arguablly the greatest ever he proved tht u dont have to be the strongest to be great. he is well past his rime and can still go. he is the best and probly the most respected men in the history of wrestling.

should of put edge and mvp in there but this is how i think the 10 best go.

 

[bbay]

ok here are my top ten:

1.HBK Simple fact the guy can work old or new he deserves a title run though, he is the best that the company has to offer overall

2. Shelton Benjamin: the dude is awesome in the ring, so what if he cant do the mic work, get him a manager dammit and stop jobbing the guy

3. CM Punk/Morrison: i love this fued and think that each man has potential to carry the wwe further then its ever been.

4. Stevie Richards: Lance storm even said it the guy can work, they just need to stop jobbing him to every up and coming steroid freak that thinks hes the next big thing, i have never seen a bad stevie match in my life when he was with rtc man i loved it, he was pushed soo much i even thought about him being gm

5.Mr kennedy: great guy, can wrestle but one problem, he keeps getting injured and having his pushes delayed i hope he can stay healthy

6.William regal/Finlay: the best british wrestler on the planet and the best irish wrestler, ground and pound or technical ability there is no one better, they guys are older then most of the current champions and still can work better

7.Matt/Jeff Hardy: Underused underated, but they can put on a solid match and can work a storyline as good as anyone on the roster

8.MVP: the most improved wrestler overall, man i thought he was crap then he came out of his shell when he went after the us title and is on his way up, but again needs to stay healthy

9.Helms/Chavo the best cruisers on the planet, they need that mid card push to elevate themselves, again ive never seen them in a bad match

10. Edge/Booker/Triple H: all three guys got talent and have had lasting staying power with the company, but i feel that booker and edge will survive the times but triple h is on borrowed time at the moment, i just dont want to see another reign of doom.

thats it the reason i jammed soo many is that i feel that alot of these wrestlers are on par with each other and i didnt want to leave them out