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Nah, the awesome one. You must have missed it in between bong hits or something.
Yep. Hence the word "average".
Oh please. Cena's selling was spot on, Triple H's selling was just as good. The story was played out perfectly, and the crowd ate it up. That was a damn good TV match. In fact, I would go as far as to say that's been Triple H's best work in a really. That Triple H/Orton feud was just full of shit.
"The selling was really good"...yeah, it really wasn't. It was average selling.
"It told a story"...oh, what story was that? Cena doesn't like losing? Wow, give him an Oscar.
For the life of me I'll never understand why everyone mentions selling. Selling is literally one of the least important things in a match. Your boy Cena is responsible for one of the biggest selling screwjobs in Wrestlemania history against HBK at WM 23, yet people seemed to really enjoy that match.
I don't get it. It's like any time two main eventers wrestle for more than 10 minutes everybody blows a load. Their match was mildly entertaining at best, nothing extraordinary at all. Like I said, no one will remember that match in two weeks.
"It told a story"...oh, what story was that? Cena doesn't like losing? Wow, give him an Oscar.
For the life of me I'll never understand why everyone mentions selling. Selling is literally one of the least important things in a match. Your boy Cena is responsible for one of the biggest selling screwjobs in Wrestlemania history against HBK at WM 23, yet people seemed to really enjoy that match.
I don't get it. It's like any time two main eventers wrestle for more than 10 minutes everybody blows a load. Their match was mildly entertaining at best, nothing extraordinary at all. Like I said, no one will remember that match in two weeks.
Odd, because the fans seem to LOVE shitty selling then Sly. Like the match I brought up before, Cena vs. HBK at WM 23.
Yeah, selling is one of the least important things in a match. Why? Because only hardcore wrestling fans who've watched hundreds and hundreds of hours of wrestling would even notice poor selling. Your average fan wouldn't notice and wouldn't care.
Besides, who gets their kicks from good selling?
"Oh man, did you see how badly Cena just winced?! That's SERIOUS wincing right there! That's realistic! This match rocks!"
Viola Moonlight
I'm Literally Just Here for WZCW
Selling is important. Bad selling = bad matches. Have you forgotten the Diva's Division? Why do they get so much hate whilst they are in the ring wrestling? Bad selling. It's not the only thing, but is a main factor.
I think you're confusing "bad selling" with "botching every move". They're completely different things. The fans don't give two shits about poor selling, but obvious botches will piss any fan off.
What shitty selling are you talking about? ONE moment when Cena had power in his leg, before going back to selling the injury?
That WM 23 line is such bullshit, and if you watch the match, the only problem with Cena's selling is when he OVERsells the knee the first time HBK hits it with a weak looking strike. Other than that, everything else was completely fine.
This is one of the dumbest things you have ever said.
EVERYONE notices when people sell poorly. Hell, Lex Luger is notorious for some of the selling mistakes he made early in his career. Selling is what sells the realism of your opponents offense, and what sells the story of the match.
Selling is one of the most important things in a match, and to say otherwise is just flat out stupid. And I know you're not stupid, so it amazes me that you would say so.
Viola Moonlight
I'm Literally Just Here for WZCW
Not neccessarily X. If you botch a move, that is still technically considered bad selling... actually, atrocious selling. If you don't take the move for what its supposed to be, then its bad selling. Botch or not, its still bad selling.
You really think your average fan is going to notice someone no-selling a move? They aren't.
I mean some of the most popular wrestlers (like Cena) have made a career out of no-selling. The Hulk-Up Routine is the most infamous case of shitty selling and Hogan was the most popular wrestler in US history.
I mean some of the most popular wrestlers (like Cena) have made a career out of no-selling. The Hulk-Up Routine is the most infamous case of shitty selling and Hogan was the most popular wrestler in US history.
Uh, no, botching a move is completely different from not selling a move.
Botching a move = not performing that move correctly
Not selling a move = The move is performed correctly, but you either under or oversell the supposed impact of that move.
Pretty clearly different things.
You don't seem to understand selling. Selling isn't just holding a knee for five minutes after getting dropkicked there. Selling is the instant reaction to your opponents offense. The more realistic your response to your opponents offense, the better your selling.
If you and I were wrestling, and I hit you with a punch in the stomach and you fell clutching your face and kicking your feet against the mat wildly "in pain", then people would mock both of us for a completely fake performance.
People always talk about Hogan's selling...the truth of the matter is that Hulk's routine was NOT poor selling, it was great showmanship. Hogan's selling came when he made his opponent look like a million bucks taking the opponent's offense to the point where fans actually thought Hogan might lose. And when people thought Hogan might lose, the fact that he made his great come back gave the fans something to roar about, because the hero they thought was beaten now had second life.
That's GREAT selling, especially when you can do it over and over again and still make the fans believe you might lose.
Selling is not about hold a limb, it's about how you react to your opponents offense, both long AND short term.
Viola Moonlight
I'm Literally Just Here for WZCW
If a move is not sold under the definitions and boundaries of "correctly," there is nothing else but to describe it as "bad selling." Botching and no-sells are just classifications that come under the term of "bad selling." It doesn't have to be a move done incorrectly, it can be not selling at all or completely fucking up.
So if someone gets the shit beat out of them for half an hour, and then they just jump up, throwing their arms around and defeat you within 5 seconds, that's realistic? Didn't you just say selling is about realism? The Hulk-Up is the most unrealistic routine imaginable.
Again, your average fan doesn't care about poor selling. They simply don't. You ask the majority of WWE fans what "selling" even is, and they won't know.
This is all besides the point though, because I was simply talking about how incredibly average Cena and Triple H's match on Raw last night was.
Yes, because it is realistic for his character.
Hogan's character was that of the American superhero, the Good who always found that willpower deep down to overcome the Evil. It most certainly was characteristic for his character.
They couldn't define it, but they'll know when they don't like it. Why do you think Mr. Kennedy sucked so badly? Why do you think so many guys have no career in the WWE? It's not because they can't perform moves, it's because they can't sell them.
Which has nothing to do with the fact that FTS and I are bitch ass, power abusing mods. What's your point?
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