There's No Money In A Lazy Stoner By Mark Madden

[Dizzy]

Madden never says that he thinks McMahon is a great wresling mind and just last column admitted the WWE sucks too. And who was the other half of the main event John Cena a proven draw. Is Reaction not another show. Perhapes things were in the workd but remember TNA also failed on Monday Nights so maybe Spike pulled the plug on it. Regardless your post that RVD drew once does not prove anything.

Umm Spike TV never pulled Impact. TNA moved Impact back to Thursdays because that's what the fanbase wanted. There is a reason why they would draw more fans on Thursday replays than on Mondays.

RVD drew once but he kept a company known as ECW up and running for years. Come on now, don't believe into that lazy fuck's poor logic. He knows nothing.

Yeah, Cena was a proven draw. Guess why the booked the main event against RVD? Because RVD was a DRAW for ECW. It was two franchise guys from different companies going at it.

 

[schaeffershawn]

Umm Spike TV never pulled Impact. TNA moved Impact back to Thursdays because that's what the fanbase wanted. There is a reason why they would draw more fans on Thursday replays than on Mondays.

RVD drew once but he kept a company known as ECW up and running for years. Come on now, don't believe into that lazy fuck's poor logic. He knows nothing.

Yeah, Cena was a proven draw. Guess why the booked the main event against RVD? Because RVD was a DRAW for ECW. It was two franchise guys from different companies going at it.

No I never said they pulled Impact I said perhaps they pulled the new show when TNA failed on Mondays. Please try to keep up.

The only time RVD drew was at One Night Stand. Period. Half of which you can attribute to Cena.

I was at almost ever ECW show for about three years. You know who kept it afloat. Taz, Raven, Dreamer, Sandman, Mike Awesome briefly and RVD. Rob was never even the top guy in ECW. The only time he was main event was during his TV title reign. His feuds when he came back were less then inspiring, outside the Jerry Lynn one. And then you know what happened ECW died. Not exactly a huge point to Robs drawing power.

 

[T2KFreeker]

The only time RVD drew was at One Night Stand. Period. Half of which you can attribute to Cena.

I was at almost ever ECW show for about three years. You know who kept it afloat. Taz, Raven, Dreamer, Sandman, Mike Awesome briefly and RVD. Rob was never even the top guy in ECW. The only time he was main event was during his TV title reign. His feuds when he came back were less then inspiring, outside the Jerry Lynn one. And then you know what happened ECW died. Not exactly a huge point to Robs drawing power.

Look, to be honest, I am really not too keen on Rob's current body of work here, but to say that the only time he ever drew was at One Night Stand is ludicrous. To say that RVD didn't draw in ECW really is quite stupid. Mind you, I agree that the other guys you listed also drew for ECW, and we all know this. I was a HUGE ECW mark when it was on Television and most of the people I knew that was watching the show were wanting to see RVD get the title. Again, I am not saying Rob is the man, but a curtain jerker he is not. Also, you cannot make ECW's demise rest on the shoulders of the wrestlers when we all know that it was Paul Heyman's mismanagement of money and TNN that killed it. Sorry, those the brass tacks. Heymen is a wrestling genius and ECW was awesome when it was on, but he sucked at Business, and he admits this. TNN never advertised ECW other than when it was on, and sad as it is, they are doing the same thing as Spike with TNA. It is what it is.

 

[schaeffershawn]

Look, to be honest, I am really not too keen on Rob's current body of work here, but to say that the only time he ever drew was at One Night Stand is ludicrous. To say that RVD didn't draw in ECW really is quite stupid. Mind you, I agree that the other guys you listed also drew for ECW, and we all know this. I was a HUGE ECW mark when it was on Television and most of the people I knew that was watching the show were wanting to see RVD get the title. Again, I am not saying Rob is the man, but a curtain jerker he is not. Also, you cannot make ECW's demise rest on the shoulders of the wrestlers when we all know that it was Paul Heyman's mismanagement of money and TNN that killed it. Sorry, those the brass tacks. Heymen is a wrestling genius and ECW was awesome when it was on, but he sucked at Business, and he admits this. TNN never advertised ECW other than when it was on, and sad as it is, they are doing the same thing as Spike with TNA. It is what it is.

Actually I can who was world champion and in the title picture when ECW when to PPV? Terry Funk/Rave/Sabu and Shane Douglas. Whow as ECW champ when they got their deal on TNN? Shane Douglas/Taz and others, never RVD. He was at his best as TV champion period. This mdcard title that he made matter. And if we cannot put the failure of ECW on the wrestlers who the hell can we put it on? They did not draw ratings which is why when the chance came for TNN to get Raw they took it. They did not and could not fill larger arenas. like WWF and WCW did. You are correct about Heymans lack of ability to balance even a personal check book, but at the end of the day RVD and the rest of hardcore crew I grew up loving and watching every week just did not have it to be national and world wide stars and the ones that did and drew left when they still had something left to give. They and RVD in particular as the best of what was left could not draw. The only tioem RVD was a real draw much like Jeff Hardy was when the WWE pushed him, and even then he dropped the ball.

 

[Dizzy]

No I never said they pulled Impact I said perhaps they pulled the new show when TNA failed on Mondays. Please try to keep up.

You mean the PILOT? It was never meant to last more than one week of testing. Which is how they brought it back on Thursdays. Try to keep up.

The only time RVD drew was at One Night Stand. Period. Half of which you can attribute to Cena.

I was at almost ever ECW show for about three years. You know who kept it afloat. Taz, Raven, Dreamer, Sandman, Mike Awesome briefly and RVD. Rob was never even the top guy in ECW. The only time he was main event was during his TV title reign. His feuds when he came back were less then inspiring, outside the Jerry Lynn one. And then you know what happened ECW died. Not exactly a huge point to Robs drawing power.

Yeah, that's true. He totally became a relevant name in WWE. He certainly turned out to be an awful draw.

Mark Madden is full of shit. He always has and always will be. TNA could put the belt on Hardy and he'll say "There is no money in a fat dope fiend"

 

[schaeffershawn]

I swear Dizzy you are like a special Olympic speed hurdler. Months ago Madden, as a person who I was responding to mentioned, was in line to get a new tv show. The original posters said that is a reason to doubt anything Madden may say. I responded that reaction is technically a new show. I further explained maybe the show Madden had referenced did not come about because of how badly TNA performed on Monday Nights. I swear to go my three year old has less ADD then you do.

Relevant name? The prime of his career was spent in tag teams with Kane and Booker T. Everytime it looked like he would cross into the main event scene he was brought back down to the lower midcard were his character belongs. He has only ever main evented one PPV that actually did a respectable buy rate. Then when they finally were going to let him run with the ball and be the star of the C brand show. He burnt it up in smoke. Now he is in TNA. In the Main Event spot ratings have not increased, PPV buys are still in the toilet. Because just as Madden said the lazy stoner character does not put asses in the seats. Maybe in indie companies and the minor leagues like ECW was, but on the national level when it is about drawiung new fans, increasing ratings and buy rates the fact is RVD = just treading water

 

[Dizzy]

Totally. WWE really must feel that way to bring him back countless times to please the fans.

 

[schaeffershawn]

Totally. WWE really must feel that way to bring him back countless times to please the fans.

Countless? you mean like twice. I'm pretty sure even Eugene has been brought back twice, Hell Doink the clown has been brought back more.

 

[DRANGOKANE]

Because he is a professional wrestling columnist and that's what he gets paid to do. As a column journalist, he is writing what his fans want to read about. Writing about how the WWE is uninspiring but profitable takes the space of maybe- MAYBE- one column, and not a very interesting one about that. TNA's current comedy of errors is something fresh to rip on every week. I can tell you why TNA's ratings are staying so low- people like me, who want a viable second large company in wrestling, tune in about every month to try and watch it and get so insulted and annoyed by what we see, we don't turn it on next week.

To just about everyone in the thread- the most popular phrase on these boards might just be "I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with Mark Madden." He's spot on about 95% of the time, but when it's your horse in the race he's tearing down, it's easy to look past that.[/QUOTE]

My point was that with every column this guy writes, it's the same thing, he doesn't like TNA. Time for him to say something new and move on. And he is a mid-day D.J.at a rock station in Pittsburg who writes columns on the side, I'm not sure he even gets paid for it. It also seems that many people responding here aren't in the Mark Madden fan club.

 

[T2KFreeker]

Actually I can who was world champion and in the title picture when ECW when to PPV? Terry Funk/Rave/Sabu and Shane Douglas. Whow as ECW champ when they got their deal on TNN? Shane Douglas/Taz and others, never RVD. He was at his best as TV champion period. This mdcard title that he made matter. And if we cannot put the failure of ECW on the wrestlers who the hell can we put it on? They did not draw ratings which is why when the chance came for TNN to get Raw they took it. They did not and could not fill larger arenas. like WWF and WCW did. You are correct about Heymans lack of ability to balance even a personal check book, but at the end of the day RVD and the rest of hardcore crew I grew up loving and watching every week just did not have it to be national and world wide stars and the ones that did and drew left when they still had something left to give. They and RVD in particular as the best of what was left could not draw. The only tioem RVD was a real draw much like Jeff Hardy was when the WWE pushed him, and even then he dropped the ball.

Actually, the ratings for ECW on TNN were very good. That's first of all. Second of all, Paul was going to put the World Heavyweight title on Rob Van Dam until he got injured when he was the Television Champion. The reason he didn't when Rob Came back was because Rob made it clear that he didn't want the title because he didn't know how long he would be sticking around because Paul Heyman was bouncing checks left and right and he already owed Rob quite a bit of money as it was. Also, obviously Rob was drawing BEFORE One Night Stand, or they wouldn't have wanted to put the title on him in the first place. Why would you want to put the title on him if he didn't draw at all? Makes no sense.

 

[GREENGHOSTMBAUVLN]

and to add to this thred spaking as a weed user im not a drug user seein as weed is grow and a drug is made by man made hands so stop green hatin first off and second off rvd just like me in a couple ways a laid back cool dude who gets high but can f u up and in reality vkm did show rvd love he was evw champ for a while in wwe and he was wwe champ too so how is he worthy of holdin the wwe belt but not tna (huh tna and rvd haters) so stop hatin on tna and rvd and he is gonna be there after all this ev2 shit get stoppep by fortune i like ev2 but its gonna be over at bfg i hear it in td voice

 

[GREENGHOSTMBAUVLN]

and to whoever hatin on my post up yours ok the topic was about rvd and his weed use and i had my 2 cents about it and people wanna hate whatever idgf long live tna