The Worst Raw of The Past Ten Years?

[ABMorales787]

I love how you're not allowed to hate an actual RAW show anymore without being bombarded by "stop complaining", "just stop watching" and the always popular "just wait and be patient it's all a part of the storyline..it'll get better" comments.
It's like "How can you NOT enjoy RAW you fucking idiot!! stop watching and STFU!!" lol

The show was awful: JR getting fired,Triple H burying everybody that walked out,CM punk's character getting more and more watered down ; That was a great 2 minutes of commentary time he had there..i'm glad he had time to mention who he was and mention who was fighting who before Mcmahon showed up and told everybody to leave.
Cm Punk and hunter hated each other a few weeks ago but now they're helping each other? ughh...

The reason why a lot of people are complaining about the developments of the current CM PUNk /ownership of the company/ walkout angles is because they start off so well in the beginning...and then turn to crap FAST.
The CM punk Pipebomb promo was so promising because it was out of the norm and it showed promise that the company was starting to get interesting again...and they did a fantastic job with the Money in the bank PPV...

but WWE always builds you up...only to let you down after:
the whole punk storyline morphed into angles of power struggles for control of the company...

The walkout angle was interesting for about 30 minutes before they just dropped it and everybody returned back to work...

JR returns to the broadcasting table...but you wouldn't know if he's really there or not because he's not allowed to speak too much and certainly not do the unthinkable: call the match..that's blasphemy,.... so eventually he gets fired but even his hometown crowd is so used to him being embarassed that they don't even get THAT mad at it...

Nexus starts off amazing and then just vanishes ..ect.
I remember when the Nexus angle started becoming stale and people complained about it....they were promised by the brand loyal fans that you should "relax and shut up and enjoy the development of this story"...and that one turned out fantastic didn't it?
So many examples.
I can't wait till they mess up mark henry's push..you just KNOW it's coming.lol

So yeah that's the reason why a lot of people are mad and in some cases just choose to turn it off completely. a lot of them still keep watching because they remember a time when the show was fun to watch and didn't insult your intelligence every 5 minutes..so they keep watching in hopes that it gets better...and then you get these slight glimmers of hope for something fresh and exciting and then they are let down yet again.so they keep watching because of the brand name and that's it.

So in retrospects, you're bashing the people who enjoyed the show. Roger. Score one for positivity. At this point "Triple H burrying people" is as stupid a claim as "John Cena can't wrestle". Change the tune. That fad's sailed away. This thread and it's sympathizers are a clear claim to the fact that most wrestling fan's have limited attention spans and memory. 2009-10? When R-Truth was blowing up, Dennis Miller stank the joint, ZZ Top were clueless and "Summerfest" seem to ring no bells in the minds of the sad monkeys here.

 

[Razakel]

So in retrospects, you're bashing the people who enjoyed the show. Roger. Score one for positivity. At this point "Triple H burrying people" is as stupid a claim as "John Cena can't wrestle". Change the tune. That fad's sailed away. This thread and it's sympathizers are a clear claim to the fact that most wrestling fan's have limited attention spans and memory. 2009-10? When R-Truth was blowing up, Dennis Miller stank the joint, ZZ Top were clueless and "Summerfest" seem to ring no bells in the minds of the sad monkeys here.

so Triple H mocks 55 members of the raw roster by saying in a whiney voice that WWE is too hard for them and then telling the fans that they won't wrestle for them...making the entire arena boo everybody that walked out.
You're right. he's clearly putting everybody on the roster over and certainly not for his own benefit.
The triple H burying "fad" won't die until dude actually does something different besides putting himself over at the expense of everybody else.

 

[The Champ]

The show was awful: JR getting fired,Triple H burying everybody that walked out

Name one person that he buried. And before you answer that, let me explain to you what being buried means. A burial is a complete destruction of someone's character to the point where he can never recover. Now, who exactly did Triple H do that to? Is anyone even going to care next week that he called them all babies, let alone a couple months from now? And, as far as the heels go, isn't the point of the entire thing to make them seem like babies? Your reasoning falls pretty flat here.

CM punk's character getting more and more watered down ; That was a great 2 minutes of commentary time he had there..i'm glad he had time to mention who he was and mention who was fighting who before Mcmahon showed up and told everybody to leave.

They should have finished the match, but I don't exactly see how his character has been watered down at all. He hasn't gone back on anything he's said from day one. Just because he isn't making ten internet-friendly references a week doesn't mean he's been watered down.

Cm Punk and hunter hated each other a few weeks ago but now they're helping each other? ughh...

Ever heard of a common enemy? Miz and Truth have been far bigger douches than either of them, and need to be taken down. The faces will put their differences aside for a night to beat the heels. Booking 101, my friend.

You made some decent points in the rest of your post, but those three I have a hard time seeing where you're coming from. WWE does have a tendency to not see storylines though and last night was no exception, but we don't need to nitpick every little thing. A lot of the booking makes sense, whether you or I like it or not.

 

[ABMorales787]

so Triple H mocks 55 members of the raw roster by saying in a whiney voice that WWE is too hard for them and then telling the fans that they won't wrestle for them...making the entire arena boo everybody that walked out.
You're right. he's clearly putting everybody on the roster over and certainly not for his own benefit.
The triple H burying "fad" won't die until dude actually does something different besides putting himself over at the expense of everybody else.

So you are saying Triple H was wrong and the walk-out talent didn't look like idiots by walking off the so-called "unsafe work environment" known as Raw. If Triple H burried them then Punk, Cena, Sheamus and Orton are guilty by association. They digged the ditch themselves and what crowd wouldn't have enjoyed him getting back at the people who turned their backs on him and the crowd? Oh, wait. I forgot about the snobby internet crowd.

 

[Stuntz]

Just the title of this thread is a calling for all the whiners that complain about everything WWE does. The fact that most of you are bitching about RAW proves you know nothing about the business and cant appreciate good entertainment.

Almost everything that is going on right now is pointing to Survivor Series and if you cant see that you need a seeing eye dog. Ive been wanting a valid Survivor Series match for years and it appears they may give more than one this year. Johny Ace being The GM may be annoying at best but they had to keep the mystery going, and in my opinion this goes deeper than just him. Everytime something happens he texts someone, so he is not the only one behind this.

Another thing I like about the current product is the fact they are bringing back the stable, and trying to make it valid. Good stables lead to good Survivor Series matches.

Personally the only thing I didnt like about Raw was everythign seemed rushed once "Ace" took over. The firing of JR was last minute and not planned beforehand from what I have read and I thought they should have waited another week for The Awesome Truth to come back. Over all Raw was Entertaining as hell and was fun.

 

[DirtyJosé]

If you hated this Raw, you must be stupid. There, I said it.

It wasn't the best Raw ever, not even really close, but it got a lot more done in storyline than most of the previous shows have done. If it had a haphazard feel to it, I suspect that is because it was supposed to feel that way. We were supposed to feel like even though these few guys wanted to stick it out like men, they just couldn't hold it all together on their own.

As for the talks of HHH burying anyone and putting himself over, I call bullshit again. If one term gets misused online repeatedly, it's "Buried". "Buried" means you disappear from Raw, you disappear from storylines, everything around you is dropped and the only time people ever see you again is losing on Superstars or dark matches pre-show. "Buried" is not getting targeted in a promo. "Buried" is not being made fun of for a little bit. I do think the boys outside would've looked a little better if they had done a better job in previous weeks of showing the company as really hitting the skids, but the point is to draw a line in the sand; pro-WWE Wrestlers on one side and wusses on the other, with some folk caught up in the middle.

Finally, to touch on the CM Punk/HHH thing, if you didn't see some sort of team up coming with them from a mile out, you are ******ed. It's been clear since before their match months ago that there would likely be some sort of desperation move which would end up putting the two together. So many of you are so quick to jump on the "HHH IS BURYING THEM ALL!" wagon that you do not even realize when HHH is actually trying to put someone over. So, again, let's break something down for you simpletons:

"Putting someone over" does not necessarily mean just having them win against you. This is scripted fighting; wins mean almost nothing on their own.

"Putting someone over" does mean making them look good, making them look on the next level so to speak. Sometimes a loss can look better than a win, depending. HHH vs Punk was an example of this. Punk didn't win, but he took a beating that most others would have caved at and still kept fighting. Next month he losses again, but only after taking repeated pipe shots to the face. He's being built to look tough. Don't believe me? Go look up Austin in early 1997, specifically his work with Hart at WM13. Austin lost, but jeezus did Hart make him look like a fucking beast.

So, is Punk and HHH shaking hands really that much of a turn off for you? Does it bother you THAT much that two guys who had their outs already found a little respect for each other after finding themselves back to back against something bigger than either one? Jeez. I know it's played out, but really, just stop watching. If you are watching the show because you used to like it, but don't like it any longer, you are fucking sad. Don't you have better ways to waste your time?

 

[Kenny Powers]

Man I could name dozens of Raw's from the early 90's, the attitude era, and even in the past few years that were way worse then last night. Remember Max Moon, Al Sharpton, Al Snow's dog pepper on a pole match? and even the weekly Chavo vs. Hornswoggle matches? The first 20 minutes when it was just Triple H, Sheamus, Punk and Cena was great. I would have enjoyed that line up much more then what we got last night.

WWE is moving too fast dong their hot shot booking. CM Punk's rebel vs. authority angle is gone since he is now a happy part of the company. The outsider angle is over since Miz and R Truth are back with the company. When did Punk become so buddy buddy with Triple H? These two could of had an awesome feud for months.

I'm just waiting for this other lame excuse for a PPV to be over with so at least we have something new at Survivor Series when the Rock comes back. No need to see Del Rio vs. Cena for the championship again. Orton and Rhodes have something going and so does Big Show and Mark Henry. I can't stand Johnny Ace and I guess no one else can either, but that is probably why he is the interim GM.

Not a good Raw by any means, but not the worse in 10 years.

 

[XXJJ]

It wasn't the worst Raw in 10 years. You are forgetting some of the stupid things they have done in the past. Like DX going to little peoples court which was under the ring.

I have no issue with Christian beating Morrison. Christian is a 2 time WHC and is coming off a program with Orton. He should go over Morrison. JOMO is garbage.

The problem with Raw was everything seemed rushed. They fired HHH from being the COO, they brought Vince back on screen, they made John Laurinitis the Raw GM, and brought back Awesome Truth. It turned into a big time clusterfuck. I thought they could of did a better job playing up the Wrestlers protesting and the conspiracy angle.

 

[RicoLen]

Man I could name dozens of Raw's from the early 90's, the attitude era, and even in the past few years that were way worse then last night. Remember Max Moon, Al Sharpton, Al Snow's dog pepper on a pole match? and even the weekly Chavo vs. Hornswoggle matches? The first 20 minutes when it was just Triple H, Sheamus, Punk and Cena was great. I would have enjoyed that line up much more then what we got last night.

I agree. I've been seeing some REALLY bad episodes of Raw back in 1996 & 1997. I mean, gawdawful crap Raw shows. And I stopped watching in 2004 because it got so bad. But this? This wasn't bad at all.

And I definitely was looking forward to seeing the second match of the night. Perhaps Zack Ryder or a few other guys would come out. I was kinda getting my hopes up to see HHH vs Booker T with Ryder as the ref with Cena & Punk on commentary & Sheamus or Kelly Kelly ringing the bell.

I think my ONLY complaint of the night was that Vince came back. There was no point to that IMO. John Laurinaitis could have come down and done the exact same thing Vince did and it would have given him far more heat and not distracted people attention away from what was going on, instead they go for shock value/nostalgia with Vince returning and it was just a waste of his return IMO.

I'd rather continue to think Vince might be behind the conspiracy.

 

[Mick Overlast]

It wasn't the worst Raw I've ever seen, but it went from interesting to boring in a matter of minutes.

I know you're not going to expect six guys to carry a two-hour show, but I think that segment could've gone a little longer than it did. With such strong mic workers, you could've done something to interact with the fans a little more or something along those lines. I'll also agree that Vince's return was rushed; it would've gotten a bigger pop down the line, especially if he IS the one behind all of this.

Johnny Ace as the new GM just made sense -- you knew he had to be next in line. I'm curious to see who the recipient of the texts has been.

Rico, I also think Vince is still behind the conspiracy.

 

[The Champ]

Just because Vince came back already doesn't mean he's not behind the conspiracy, although I guess it does make it a little less likely. If it's not him, then I don't see who else it can possibly be. They could make it Stephanie, but I think she's made it clear that she wants to be home with her kids and not part of the weekly storylines. Other than that, there's nobody who really fits. And John Laurinaitis just cannot be the top heel of this storyline. He has to be a stooge working for someone. You can't have a guy who's that boring be the main bad guy in a huge storyline.

 

[iamthegame]

That was instant hatred because their boy Triple H was removed. Did you watch the segment where he interrupted the match to announce the return of Miz and R-Truth. What should have been a big moment in the night was a boring nugget.

Your "If you could have written it any better..." comment is just dumb. Just because I don't work for WWE or ever applied for a job, doesn't mean my ideas are any less than people that work there. Hell, I've seen good ideas from people on the forums who have never applied or worked for WWE. If you want to vent about people, I will too and how stupid that comment is.

Hating 1 show doesn't make me hate WWE or WWEPG. Don't direct that comment about switching off WWE tv at me. I didn't say that smartass. Have knowledge before you actually make a comment like that. I was angry about how bad the show was with Laurinaitis as the face of a bad episode. If you really have a problem with my comments, fine I except that. Have actual knowledge and make viable complaints instead of general annoyance with other people on the forums that you apply to me.

Only my first comment was directed at you, but if you think your opinions on storylines are as valuable as a WWE writer then how come you don't get paid for yours? Because no one gives a shit what you think or anyone else that posts in here, just like no one cares what I think. People get on here to vent about wrestling so before you call me dumb make sure you're replying to a post that was about you, because I was just observing that your comment with Laurinaitis was factually incorrect, ie. WRONG.

I never said this was a great episode of RAW either, I just thought it was a complete joke to boycott WWE over one poor episode, so maybe you should not be so 'dumb' and think about your arguments.

And I stand by my opinion (directed at the thread starter NOT you), if you're going to boycott WWE over one bad episode then don't watch it, don't post about it, don't have a winge about it, just go watch TNA and post about how much you love it and live happily ever after in eternal bliss.

 

[Isaac Kaye]

I must be the only person on the planet who thought this was a damn good show, and yes, with obvious flaws in places.

Firstly, how an earth are they supposed to stretch the walk-out angle? Triple had a vote of no confidence for christs sake! The only thing they could have done was not bother with the Sheamus and Cena match starting at all - it felt disjointed.

Johnny Ace got TONS of heat. Don't tell me that's go away heat. It's fucking heat and half the audience wanted to rip his face off. Firing Ross seemed a little bit unneccessary but I guess that helps to build him more into the storyline.

They are focussing heavily on midcard heels to give them more airtime than the've had in the whole of the past year. Ziggler, Swagger, Otunga have more momentum than ever. Mason Ryan getting the pin on Ziggler means nothing in a tag environment (he got pinned by Ryder the other week) - it's a basic forumula to please the crowd by giving them a babyface win. Ryan is still horribly horribly green though - I'm not even sure his physique makes up for it. He's trully appalling in every respect - but that's another matter altogether.

Cody Rhodes got one of the biggest segments of his entire career and has just set up a brimming feud with Orton. Orton keeps his momentum as 'it looked' like he'd beat Henry. Henry stays undefeated and will move onto Big Show to presumably retain.

Can you see the trend here... building fresh talent?! I don't care how it's booked. They are trying to make stars and they're doing a better job with the midcard than they have for months.

And finally, Punk and Del Rio are booked in a match which is interrupted by Ace. Obviously he's bringing back Miz and Truth, why would he hang around to make that call?? HHH and Punk clear house, Punk gets an absolute ton of babyface heat and respect from HHH.... Basically HHH gives Punk a massive rub and boosts his profile and character even further. But, of course, HHH is burying people.

If they hadn't messed around so much for the first segment, they wouldn't have lost so much viewership in the second hour.

My only big complains is Cole. He needs to stop his unbearable ranting, it's getting a little out of control. He should at least TRY and call the match.

 

[Notorious718]

So I finally saw last night's RAW and to call it the absolute worst in the last ten years is too much of a stretch to me as I'm positive there have been worse. I will say that I had some issues with the show but what RAW doesn't? To be honest, I was kinda hoping to see that WWE would do something that hasn't been done before and give a show with only Punk, Cena, HHH, and Sheamus on hand to perform. Of course, I knew that was probably too much of a stretch but I was hoping there would be a way that WWE would work around that besides just stripping HHH of his authority and ending the walkout. I have to say that I found Vince McMahon's on-screen return to be a bit rushed and frankly it came off to me as anti-climatic and I think the same can be said for Awesome Truth's return. The audience just didn't seem to care and if they gave a reaction that said otherwise, it was covered by Michael Cole's cheering.

But the show still had its share of fun matches and I did enjoy the opening segment. Sure it had its flaws but I don't think it's fair to call this episode the worst RAW in the last decade. Baby steps. I'm sure this will all lead somewhere with a big payoff.

 

[X]

I just have to laugh at threads like these and how utterly naive and childish some viewers are. It's okay, we all were at that stage at one point in our wrestling-watching lives, where we became cynical teenagers who criticized everything the WWE did because fuck, you can't possibly enjoy something hugely popular, that would be...un-rebellious. And everyone wants to be a rebel!

RAW this week was actually really quite good I thought. It was original, captiviating, engaging, and interesting. The storylines were actually very interesting to me for the first time since the summer, I had totally lost interest in RAW over the past month until this week's show, which I thought was excellent. No, we didn't get much quality in-ring time, but this show wasn't about that, it was about setting the plate for the rest of the fall and winter season in the WWE, and it did that perfectly. Punk has officially transitioned to full-time babyface, Cena has seemingly won back atleast a slight margin of the fans that used to boo him mercilessly, Sheamus is on the verge of becoming a huge star, and Triple H is the ace in the WWE's back pocket that they only will bring out every 6 months or so to help boost a show's buyrate, similar to how they use the Undertaker. What's the problem here? Because it flew in the face of how "you" thought the angle should have gone? Too bad, most likely "your" idea of how the angle should have gone probably sucks and would have been much worse.

It wasn't one of the best Raw's I've seen, far from it. Nothing really wrestling-wise stuck out either. But as a show dedicated to advancing storylines and setting up angles for the coming months, it did it's job quite well and admirably. Stop your bitching, I fucking ASSURE you that was not the worst RAW of the last ten years, and if you think it is, you seriously have not seen every RAW of the last ten years, because I have and I could give you a list of probably 50 episodes worse than this week's. And that's just a rough estimate off the top of my head.

 

[weghio]

Last ten years? Fuck that. There have been worse.

I'm not saying Raw was a phenomenal show, but you can definitely tell they're going somewhere with this. Triple H didn't bury anyone, John Morrison can go fuck himself, and the superstars walked out because of Triple H and returned when he was forced to step down - not hard to follow. This isn't Russo/WCW shit and if you would take your head out of your ass you'd see that. Yes, Raw could have been better but so could your reasons for this being the worst Raw in the last ten fucking years.

What are you smoking?

Triple H spent the first however many minutes of the show (which felt like an hour frankly) doing EXACTLY that - burying the rest of the superstars, saying stuff like he could get a better match out of a broomstick than 95% of those in the parking lot.

Understand - he explicitly stated that an inanimate object is better than most of the superstars that included current champions.

Exaggeration or not, scripted or not, whether he really meant it or not, that is BURYING.

 

[weghio]

And before anyone starts nitpicking on the meaning of "bury," know that one of the meanings is to "dismiss" someone or something. What H3 did was clearly to dismiss these superstars as worthless. He of course has a habit of doing similar things, calling CM Punk a "skinny fat ass," saying John Cena is "not a very good wrestler," etc.

 

[#hamler]

What are you smoking?

Nothing. Fucks it matter?

Triple H spent the first however many minutes of the show (which felt like an hour frankly) doing EXACTLY that - burying the rest of the superstars, saying stuff like he could get a better match out of a broomstick than 95% of those in the parking lot.

No. He sold the walk out. If 55 wrestlers walked out and had absolutely no trust in you what would you do?

Understand - he explicitly stated that an inanimate object is better than most of the superstars that included current champions.

Again, 55 guys walked out. He sold the walkout.

Exaggeration or not, scripted or not, whether he really meant it or not, that is BURYING.

That's incredibly stupid. It isn't burrying when you say you can wrestle a broomstick and get a better match out of it then the entire roster. First off, he never mentioned specific names. Second, it isn't keeping them down the card by saying that. It isn't burying. I love how you picked oine part of my post and decided to say something about it.

And before anyone starts nitpicking on the meaning of "bury," know that one of the meanings is to "dismiss" someone or something. What H3 did was clearly to dismiss these superstars as worthless. He of course has a habit of doing similar things, calling CM Punk a "skinny fat ass," saying John Cena is "not a very good wrestler," etc.

Lol, yet CM Punk is receiving the push of a life time. Tell me exactly how he was buried? Dont use the bullshit dictionary excuse of what bury means because this is pro-wrestling - terms are often different.

 

[weghio]

Nothing. Fucks it matter?

No. He sold the walk out. If 55 wrestlers walked out and had absolutely no trust in you what would you do?

Again, 55 guys walked out. He sold the walkout.

That's incredibly stupid. It isn't burrying when you say you can wrestle a broomstick and get a better match out of it then the entire roster. First off, he never mentioned specific names. Second, it isn't keeping them down the card by saying that. It isn't burying. I love how you picked oine part of my post and decided to say something about it.

Lol, yet CM Punk is receiving the push of a life time. Tell me exactly how he was buried? Dont use the bullshit dictionary excuse of what bury means because this is pro-wrestling - terms are often different.

"Fucks it matter?" Are you 12?

You say he "sold the walkout"; if basically dismissing them out of hand as inferior to a broomstick qualifies as "selling" to you, there's something wrong with you. Fact remains: he basically called the 95% of the roster that walked out completely worthless as wrestlers and performers. It doesn't matter if he named anyone specific; if anything, that makes it worse, because he is putting 95% of the walk-outs, including the current world champion and wwe champion, in the same general broad brush of being worse than an inanimate object.

You ask what *I* would've done if the roster walked out on me and I was in HHH's shoes? I know what I wouldn't have done: bury them the way he did.

As for CM Punk, I didn't say he was buried in that segment. My beef with how Punk has handled the situation is different from my beef with how HHH handled it, so that's neither here or there.

The point is this: if you're completely OK with HHH's comparing superstars to a broomstick, no matter what the situation and context, you and I will never agree. And that's as respectful as I will care to sound on this matter.

P.S. The dictionary definition of "bury" is the ONLY definition that is even remotely relevant to the way it is often used in wrestling. The primary definition is literally putting someone under the ground. But I'm sure you'll just continue to mindlessly dub "bullshit" anything you don't agree with.

 

[weghio]

Besides, HHH's calling just about everyone worse than a broomstick is just the tip of the iceberg. An excerpt from a recent critique of RAW said it so I don't have to:

- A wild John Cena appears, and as bad as this was, it was keeping in the spirit of John Cena — he speaks in a solemn voice about how conflicted he was about his decision, then peps up and announces that he’ll Never Give Up and that he supports Triple H. Cena is Dwight Schrute already, so him selling out his co-workers to get in with the boss he thinks is super cool makes sense. Two issues here, though:

1. Cena says that for some WWE Superstars, Triple H is their first boss. Triple H has been the boss for two months. Who’s he talking about here, the evil Sin Cara?
2. Cena namedrops all the former General Manager types he’s worked for, saying Mike Adamle was the worst. Triple H allowed his friends to ruin multiple pay-per-view main events, he beat up two guys in handcuffs, he stubbornly forced nearly every person on the roster to choose joblessness over working with him, told them they were all bad at their jobs and did everything short of call them “****” on national television. One time Mike Adamle said “Jeff Harvey” instead of “Jeff Hardy”. He’s history’s greatest monster.

- In the most disappointing moment to happen until the next thing happened, Sheamus, the IRISH GUY, does not understand the plight of the working man and sides with Triple H after apologizing to him, telling him he’s the coolest and strongest and best character on the show, then saying he’s trying to live his life by Triple H’s example. This sorta makes me feel like an asshole for thinking “smiling too much” was the worst thing they could do to him. Sheamus could’ve come to the ring with a pair of scissors, snipped off his testicles mid-ring and given them to Triple H in a jar marked “LOVE SHEAMUS” with a backwards E and it wouldn’t have been worse. He f**king thanked him for beating him up. I swear to God I thought he was going to break out “OY LOVE YA, ALWAYS ‘AVE”.

- Then, in what is unbelievably NOT the worst moment of the night, CM Punk, the Voice of the Voiceless, ran the voiceless up a goddamn rail to say that HIM walking out was okay and cool, but anybody ELSE doing it is wrong, because this is Monday Night Raw and they have cage matches and that THE STATUS QUO IS WHAT EVERYONE SHOULD BE HAPPY WITH. I AM PUTTING THIS IN BOLDFACE. THE GUY WHO IS ALWAYS SAYING “I WANT CHANGE” SUGGESTED THAT THE ROSTER IS LAME FOR WANTING THINGS TO BE DIFFERENT, then gets super happy when Triple H asks him to do ringside commentary and GETS EVEN HAPPIER WHEN HE IS ALLOWED TO WEAR SOME OF TRIPLE H’S CLOTHES. Are you reading this? HE WAS HAPPY TO WEAR DADDY’S CLOTHES.

So, as a f**king half-time recap, Triple H is great, WWE sucks, John Cena has no spine, Sheamus had his life turned around by a really tough guy who kicked his ass and CM Punk is willing to forget the last two-plus months of character development because he thinks wearing a jacket when you do commentary is funny.

Then. THEN.

- A match starts, and the moment wrestling starts we go to commercial. Then, as soon as we come BACK from commercial, Vince McMahon’s music starts up and he walks to the ring and orders the wrestling to stop because he wants to talk.

And the wrestlers, including CM Punk, the guy who bitched out McMahon for not caring about the fans wanting wrestling, calmly leave without incident so Vince can talk instead of show wrestling.

 

[GrandSword]

I like this weghio guy.. *grabs popcorn*

I would have to agree. However because I'm not a huge fan of WWE, I just watch it to get a fix for my wrestling I'm not as pissed off about what is going on as some are.

This whole thing from the start has had so much potential, and just when they blow it, they do another thing interesting that has mega potential and blow that and do it again and again...

I find that really interesting... AND, HHH has been buring people for years.. it's absolutely nothing new. I'm not a ranter and a raver, I'm a roling the eyes kinda guy and fast forward the DVR...

 

[ABMorales787]

I don't know what's stupider. The claim that Triple H is burying people? Or that people blatantly ignore what was going on? Basically, 50-something *****es that walked out were supposed to just get their way and rub it in the crowds face? Spare me the bullshit about Triple H. The pay-off is what matters. And whatever jackass thinks it was wrong for the fans to get to see the guys who ditched them get their just desserts is just that. A jackass. For Christ sake they all just walked out on the crowd because they felt unsafe. In a fucking wrestling company. As if that didn't scream heel, now people bullshit about how it was wrong of Triple H to take revenge on behalf of a roaring in a approval crowd. News flash. Real fans did not give a shit who got burried. They wanted their revenge and got it. Would it all have been OK if John Cena did the beatdown? No. That would spark more "Super-Cena" bullshit. What if it was CM Punk? He could do no wrong. Given the blatant ignorance going around here, it wouldn't surprise me if claims of him burrying people popped up. I mean we're already defying scripted logic. Might as well defy our own tastes.

 

[weghio]

I don't know what's stupider. The claim that Triple H is burying people? Or that people blatantly ignore what was going on? Basically, 50-something *****es that walked out were supposed to just get their way and rub it in the crowds face? Spare me the bullshit about Triple H. The pay-off is what matters. And whatever jackass thinks it was wrong for the fans to get to see the guys who ditched them get their just desserts is just that. A jackass. For Christ sake they all just walked out on the crowd because they felt unsafe. In a fucking wrestling company. As if that didn't scream heel, now people bullshit about how it was wrong of Triple H to take revenge on behalf of a roaring in a approval crowd. News flash. Real fans did not give a shit who got burried. They wanted their revenge and got it. Would it all have been OK if John Cena did the beatdown? No. That would spark more "Super-Cena" bullshit. What if it was CM Punk? He could do no wrong. Given the blatant ignorance going around here, it wouldn't surprise me if claims of him burrying people popped up. I mean we're already defying scripted logic. Might as well defy our own tastes.

lol

I don't know what's dumber: 1) saying that walking out is a "puss[y]" thing to do while at the same time saying that CM Punk, THE GUY WHO WALKED OUT, "could do no wrong"; or 2) rhetorically asking if these so-called *****es were "supposed to just get their way and rub it in the crowds face?" when THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.

They did get their way.

Did you watch the same show?

HHH got booted from his GM spot.

They did get their way and come back.

And YOU are the one talking about "defying scripted logic" whatever that means.

 

[iwinulose]

-yes i agree this was the worst raw ever!!!...... i wanted to see triple hhh wrestle a broomstick in his tighty whiteys for 2 hours......... LMFAO!
-ok any ways on a serious note yes some stupid stuff happened, jomo getting crushed, johnny is for some reason the raw gm instead of mic foley, JR getting fired was the worst part of raw! VKM didnt return as he should have returned. ok triple hhh got into the ring and made the save for punk then they shook hands, mildly upsetting but whatever. though im mad about the tag team champs not defending at vengeance but i guess since evan bourne hurt himself it was to be expected *sigh*. on 1 good note no zach ryder!! instead we got a powerhouse showcasing a pretty awesome move. as for ziggles getting pinned so easily.... i had no issues with it what so ever. not the worst raw ever, but definitely a curveball was thrown.

 

[X]

Hey weglo, congratulations pal, you've just been worked like an eight year old mark. It's hilarious how often supposedly "smart" wrestling fans on here are totally and utterly worked and played like a fiddle by the WWE, which I guess is really a testament to how good they still must be since they can piss off legions of extremely naive and oblivious fans like yourself. Have you stopped for even one second to think that maybe, just maybe the WWE WANTS you to feel pissed off at Triple H? That maybe they WANT you think he's "burying" the talent by saying these things? That perhaps that might play into this entire angle, and how it's centered around blurring the line between reality and kayfabe? Do you seriously not realize that you are reacting exactly how they want you to? They want you to be pissed off at Triple H for "burying" everyone, they want you to cheer for the anti-hero CM Punk against the vanilla good-guys Cena and Triple H, they've set everything up so that you will do just that, and like a seven year old kid you've played your part perfectly, lapping up everything they've sold you and reacting just like they want you to react---a pissed off, angry, MARK.

Seriously man, it's baffling to me that you could type up all of this bullshit and not realize what's going on here. You've been worked. Congratulations, you've reacted exactly how the WWE wanted you to. You're a mark.