The Worst Raw of The Past Ten Years?

[weghio]

Hey weglo, congratulations pal, you've just been worked like an eight year old mark. It's hilarious how often supposedly "smart" wrestling fans on here are totally and utterly worked and played like a fiddle by the WWE, which I guess is really a testament to how good they still must be since they can piss off legions of extremely naive and oblivious fans like yourself. Have you stopped for even one second to think that maybe, just maybe the WWE WANTS you to feel pissed off at Triple H? That maybe they WANT you think he's "burying" the talent by saying these things? That perhaps that might play into this entire angle, and how it's centered around blurring the line between reality and kayfabe? Do you seriously not realize that you are reacting exactly how they want you to? They want you to be pissed off at Triple H for "burying" everyone, they want you to cheer for the anti-hero CM Punk against the vanilla good-guys Cena and Triple H, they've set everything up so that you will do just that, and like a seven year old kid you've played your part perfectly, lapping up everything they've sold you and reacting just like they want you to react---a pissed off, angry, MARK.

Seriously man, it's baffling to me that you could type up all of this bullshit and not realize what's going on here. You've been worked. Congratulations, you've reacted exactly how the WWE wanted you to. You're a mark.

omg lol at everything above, including the bold parts

First off, I'm not angry. Thanks for trying.

You see, quite unfortunately, you are the naive, utterly clueless one in this, and I am being generous when I say that.

Assuming for the sake of argument that HHH et. al. is doing this deliberately and knowingly - hoping to get the crowd against him as you say - guess what? HE IS FAILING, because the crowd is CHEERING HHH in this fiasco. See what a bungling fool you are with that line of argument?

And if you've been watching the same show as everyone else, CM Punk is no longer against HHH at all. In fact he was so happy to wear HHH's jacket while commentating he just about wet himself. Besides, an alliance between the two guys was solidified when they shook hands towards the end of RAW. So your entire theory about how WWE wants you to root for Punk against HHH and Cena completely goes out the window, you see?

I mean, I can't believe I have to spell these things out. This isn't something that requires even the most superficial level of interpretation or analysis or reading between the lines. THE CROWD CHEERS HHH. PUNK + HHH ARE NOW ALLIES.

I mean, I say this with the utmost seriousness, are you really this idiotic?

But the more likely explanation? WWE esp. as of late is known quite well for changing storylines and plans on the fly, often at the whim of Vince McMahon (because everything major goes through him). Chances are the WWE does NOT have some grand, master plan in all of this, but is bungling along as it usually does, having mostly short-term goals in mind.

Finally, I am not some "smark." You, though, are apparently not even a mark; you are a wannabe reactionary-contrarian trying to put down those you incorrectly perceive as smarks while not realizing that you are not even following the most basic of storylines.

 

[weghio]

And of course, the following report backs up the fact that WWE rarely, if at all, has long-term master plans:

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/243490-report-vinces-health-a-recent-raw-script-details


Excerpt:
It appears the October 3rd RAW that contained the superstars walking out was a last minute decision after six to eight scripts had been written and McMahon kept changing his mind. It seems even after the walkout angle was approved, many questioned it because of the problems it presented such as the next nights Smackdown tapings, live events and how to write for the next week. Arn Anderson is reported to be the agent/producer who suggested Jim Ross be the last person to walk out as he was brought back to commentary by Triple H.

This past weeks RAW on October 10th seemed to also featured a lack of knowledge as reported in the past the script was re-written last minute.

 

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omg lol at everything above, including the bold parts

First off, I'm not angry. Thanks for trying.

If you're not passive aggressive than I must be the king of France. You've written one seething diatribe after another in this thread against everyone who's responded to it. I'm fairly certain I can detect passive aggressive sarcasm.

You see, quite unfortunately, you are the naive, utterly clueless one in this, and I am being generous when I say that.

Assuming for the sake of argument that HHH et. al. is doing this deliberately and knowingly - hoping to get the crowd against him as you say - guess what? HE IS FAILING, because the crowd is CHEERING HHH in this fiasco. See what a bungling fool you are with that line of argument?

Did you not read my post? Tell me about all the smark indy fans at RAW each week that cheer for Triple H...oh wait, they boo the fuck out of him and cheer their own anti-hero, CM Punk instead. You're a part of a large adult male smark fanbase that gets easily upset by things like the booker's son-in-law burying everyone beneath, the WWE knows this, and that is a large part of what this entire summer-long angle with Triple H, CM Punk, John Laurinaitis and others has been about. The WWE isn't marketing Triple H purely as a heel, they're marketing him as a babyface who also has a good chunk of the fanbase that hates him and boos him. You know, like John Cena's entire fanbase and detractors? Same thing they're trying to create with Triple H and CM Punk here. They're trying to get these guys over as being slightly tweeners because as Punk has been saying all summer long, "the status quo" has gotten boring.

Do you seriously not see how badly you're being worked here? And I bet if you had gone to the Money in the Bank PPV, cheered Punk and booed Cena, you wouldn't even realize then that you were being worked again as well? Your too busy riled up with the archaic backstage poltics > everythings else environment of the wrestling business that McMahon loved, but guess what? Vince McMahon isn't getting any younger, and soon enough he's going to be dead and the WWE will have to continue on without him. That's why Hunter has been gaining more ground on the creative side of things backstage while Vince's role has been diminishing, and Hunter has proven to be a clearly different thinker than McMahon, rallying for the WWE to sign and push all sorts of eclectic, talented wrestlers from across the globe who otherwise would never have gotten an opportunity in Vince McMahon's WWE (Mistico, Bryan Danielson, Tyler Black, Jon Moxley, Claudio Castagnoli, Chris Hero, etc). If you actually think that Triple H is legitimately conspiring right now to "bury" all of the on-screen talent to put himself over, you are in denial of how badly you're being worked here. What in the name of God could Triple H and WWE creative have to gain from burying their own wrestlers purposely, including top drawing ones? What?

And if you've been watching the same show as everyone else, CM Punk is no longer against HHH at all. In fact he was so happy to wear HHH's jacket while commentating he just about wet himself. Besides, an alliance between the two guys was solidified when they shook hands towards the end of RAW. So your entire theory about how WWE wants you to root for Punk against HHH and Cena completely goes out the window, you see?

No, I don't see, because you don't seem to understand the concept of a wrestling show that isn't black and white and relies solely on "faces" and "heels" as opposed to characters that fall somewhere in-between those two terms. Do you seriously not understand what a tweener is? Do you seriously not understand that the WWE has marketed the idea of diversity in their "WWE Universe" before in relation to big time faces and heels? They advertise Cena's mixed reactions on a daily basis, they did the same thing for Punk this summer, and they're trying to do the same thing with Triple H partly right now, trying to piss off smarks...like you. And here we are, with you making this thread declaring that episode the worst RAW ever because of Triple H fucking things up because of his ego. Hmm...what does that sound like? Oh, right, the exact storyline and angle the WWE are working right now with Triple H and the power struggle in the company.

I can keep painting you the picture here of how you're being worked but if you just don't want to admit it that's fine, you can live in denial.


Oh, and yes, we all know the WWE doesn't know what they're doing long-term. They never know what the fuck they're doing long-term and they always change shows as early as the week or even day of the show's happening. This has no correlation whatsoever to Triple H's verbal "burying" of the roster though, at all.

 

[weghio]

If you're not passive aggressive than I must be the king of France. You've written one seething diatribe after another in this thread against everyone who's responded to it. I'm fairly certain I can detect passive aggressive sarcasm.

I don't think you understand what "passive-aggressive" means. And my posts have been mostly free of sarcasm partly because people of your intellectual capacity wouldn't detect one if it hit you over the head. Speaking of which, maybe I will start inserting some of it and make it obvious for you and your ilk.

Did you not read my post?

Oh indeed I did. And it was so completely devoid of any semblance of sense that I can actually believe you believe in all the bullshit you're spouting.

Tell me about all the smark indy fans at RAW each week that cheer for Triple H...oh wait, they boo the fuck out of him and cheer their own anti-hero, CM Punk instead.

I won't, because CM Punk is not my hero or anti-hero, nor is HHH.

You're a part of a large adult male smark fanbase that gets easily upset by things like the booker's son-in-law burying everyone beneath, the WWE knows this, and that is a large part of what this entire summer-long angle with Triple H, CM Punk, John Laurinaitis and others has been about.

You somehow assume all this crap because I rightly point out that HHH has a habit of belittling other wrestlers. That says something about your debating skills.

The WWE isn't marketing Triple H purely as a heel, they're marketing him as a babyface who also has a good chunk of the fanbase that hates him and boos him.

Actually, they're marketing him as a babyface, period. That a minority of fans boo him is just an unfortunate incidental effect over which they have no control.

You know, like John Cena's entire fanbase and detractors?

Right, because it has been their master plan all along to have a discrete segment of the fans hate on him. It's not as if they make shit up as they go along, based on crowd reactions despite what their original intentions may have been. You've got the preeminent pulse on exactly what they're doing, sir.

Same thing they're trying to create with Triple H and CM Punk here. They're trying to get these guys over as being slightly tweeners because as Punk has been saying all summer long, "the status quo" has gotten boring.

So in one breath you point out Cena as an example of someone who has had fans and detractors for YEARS (which, you know, has been the status quo for what seems like forever), and in another breath you say that HHH and Punk are pushed as characters who have fans and detractors...in order to get AWAY from the status quo that was Cena.

...yeah, you're an idiot. And let me inform you that I say that without a hint of anger or frustration whatsoever. In fact I don't like calling people idiots unless they really deserve that moniker. And it is with a feeling of genuine condolence and pity that I place that mantle upon you. How's that for sarcasm? Hint: there is none.

Do you seriously not see how badly you're being worked here?

Well, given the compelling nature of your babbling thus far, I'd say "being worked" has yet to even enter the discussion. You're not even at that level.

And I bet if you had gone to the Money in the Bank PPV,

I did not.

cheered Punk

I did not.

and booed Cena

I did not.

you wouldn't even realize then that you were being worked again as well?

Want to engage in some more hypotheticals and assumptions there?

Your too busy riled up with the archaic backstage poltics >

lol

Archaic in what sense? That it does not happen anymore? What has replaced it, pray tell?

everythings else environment of the wrestling business that McMahon loved, but guess what? Vince McMahon isn't getting any younger, and soon enough he's going to be dead and the WWE will have to continue on without him. That's why Hunter has been gaining more ground on the creative side of things backstage while Vince's role has been diminishing, and Hunter has proven to be a clearly different thinker than McMahon, rallying for the WWE to sign and push all sorts of eclectic, talented wrestlers from across the globe who otherwise would never have gotten an opportunity in Vince McMahon's WWE (Mistico, Bryan Danielson, Tyler Black, Jon Moxley, Claudio Castagnoli, Chris Hero, etc). If you actually think that Triple H is legitimately conspiring right now to "bury" all of the on-screen talent to put himself over, you are in denial of how badly you're being worked here. What in the name of God could Triple H and WWE creative have to gain from burying their own wrestlers purposely, including top drawing ones? What?

I'll address the only relevant bit here: what would HHH and WWE creative gain from burying their own wrestlers? Well, let's see:

On the one hand you argue that HHH is burying other wrestlers in order to get him over as a tweener - assuming arguendo that you're right (you're not), that plan is fantastically failing, as the crowd is solidly behind HHH and is not at all divided as it is over, say, Cena.

On the other hand, you argue that HHH is NOT burying other wrestlers, because, hey, what possible purpose would be served thereby? So which is it, genius?

No, I don't see, because you don't seem to understand the concept of a wrestling show that isn't black and white and relies solely on "faces" and "heels" as opposed to characters that fall somewhere in-between those two terms. Do you seriously not understand what a tweener is? Do you seriously not understand that the WWE has marketed the idea of diversity in their "WWE Universe" before in relation to big time faces and heels? They advertise Cena's mixed reactions on a daily basis, they did the same thing for Punk this summer, and they're trying to do the same thing with Triple H partly right now, trying to piss off smarks...like you. And here we are, with you making this thread declaring that episode the worst RAW ever because of Triple H fucking things up because of his ego. Hmm...what does that sound like? Oh, right, the exact storyline and angle the WWE are working right now with Triple H and the power struggle in the company.

lol

You make it sound as if HHH blatantly power grabbing is some kind of new, original venture that the WWE is trying, when his past clearly does not indicate any sort of power grabbing at all, and it is not at all in HHH's character to try to put himself over at the expense of others.

Who is the idiot again?

I can keep painting you the picture here of how you're being worked but if you just don't want to admit it that's fine, you can live in denial.

Oh, the irony.

Oh, and yes, we all know the WWE doesn't know what they're doing long-term. They never know what the fuck they're doing long-term and they always change shows as early as the week or even day of the show's happening. This has no correlation whatsoever to Triple H's verbal "burying" of the roster though, at all.

So finally an admission from you that the WWE doesn't know what they're doing. Consider this admission in light of your previous idiotic statements that HHH's verbal tirade is all PART OF A PLAN BY THE WWE (to push him as a tweener because, you know, no tweeners have ever existed in the WWE before and this is to move away from THE STATUS QUO).

You don't seem to realize that Punk himself, after 2+ months of character development, himself seems to have been relegated to exactly the status quo, getting himself on more or less the same side as HHH, Cena et. al. The same guy who WALKED OUT on the WWE at MITB is now blasting the rest of the superstars for walking out, on some lame justification that at least he walked out at the end of his contract while the others are striking. So much for wanting "change."

This isn't about some master plan. This isn't about "working" the marks or smarks or whatever other conjurations you ignorantly believe you've got a handle on. This isn't about creating some "tweeners." This is about pandering to the lowest denominator of wrestling fans, ones like yourself, who will eat everything up and perpetually serve as WWE's apologists.

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

Johnny Ace has BAD HEAT. He shouldn't be allowed anywhere near TV. But of course he was going to be Raw GM.

Erm, do you know anything about wrestling or entertainment? BAD HEAT is just as important as GOOD HEAT. They are like...ying and yang. And the more heat someone has, the more he should be on TV...making the crowd angry. That allows for babyfaces.


Unless you just completely misused the phrase "bad heat," that post made zero sense.

 

[The Champ]

"Bad heat", "X-Pac Heat" or whatever you want to call it is a complete myth. There is no such thing. A heel's job is to get heat. It doesn't matter how or why he gets that heat, as long as he gets it, he's doing his job correctly. I can't stand Laurinaitis and I think he's a boring stiff with absolutely no entertainment value whatsoever. But, I can't deny that he gets pretty good heat and he's pretty over as a heel. That doesn't mean I think he's the best choice to be the top heel in this storyline, but if the fans hate him, then he's accomplished what WWE wants him to.