The *Official* John Cena Thread

[Little Jerry Lawler]

My anger is at Cena's terrible character and nothing else, not him as a person, just his character so I don't understand what you really mean but ok then.



Good for you wanting to be a smart ass. Well done. I'm simply one of the many fans who doesn't like Cena and not a whiny anti-Cena noob. C'mon you can do better, that was just lame.



Yes I aware that there are other fans in the crowd aside from kids and girls. However when you look at the crowds nowadays, there are alot more kids that there used to be. The kids are in the crowds with their parents who are just going to cheer Cena because they don't want their little 8 yr old to get upset with them. Cena is a big name in the WWE now because they've decided to target kids and the kids just can't get enough of him and it's pretty obvious girls only like him for his looks. That's what my point was. He is targeted towards kids and no-one in this forum can argue that. Why do you think I don't like his character? I'm not some 10 yr old kid who goes around saying "you can't see me"...which is probably got to be the saddest and most pathetic catch-phrase I've heard. Anyway to me his always had mixed reactions and the main reason you can hear the cheering is because of the kids and the parents who feel obliged to cheer the guy who their kids are supporting.



I never said he has to be funny. It would be good if he was funny though, it would actually help his character a bit more. It would help anyones character in the WWE if they could add some humour into their character. It's good for a face to actually be funny as it help them gain the support from the crowd and get a reaction, which is very important for a face. The rock was a great example of this. His promo's and mic skills were legendary. I honestly have no idea what you find funny in Cena's character. I thought he was pretty funny when he was heel but that's it.



Haha ok point taken but go on there and take a look, some of it is pretty funny. I was just illustrating my point that there are alot of people who don't like Cena. That's all.



You think he's the best face. Your opinion. I sure as hell don't think he is. I don't care if he can sell bucket loads of merch to kids. I support wrestlers for the personality traits within their character as well as their in ring ability.



His character is boring because it's too watered down. When I say watered down, I mean he's too much or a good guy for my liking. He doesn't even come out and give his opponent enough shit. He has the most stupid and lamest pharses. "hustle loyalty respect"??? WTF???? "You can't see me?"" WTF AGAIN!! All he does is state the obvious in his promo's, tells his opponent he respects them but isn't afraid. C'mon you ******, what the hell is wrong with you. This isn't playschool, its the WWE, quit saying you respect everyone and start giving your opponent some shit. Try and make it a little more personal. Ever notice when a feud is made to appear more personal, it adds to the feud a little more?



Mmmk then

As a side not I will acknowledge that Cena does his job very well but like I've said, he doesn't entertain me the slightist and I've been hating against character. His targeted towards kids but I feel he can try to change it a bit. Just because the WWE is PG and he is aimed at kids doesn't mean he can't have a bit of attitude and something edgy about his character.

You don't have to like or watch Cena. There are plenty of other superstars who you watch. Fact of the matter is, Cena is doing his job and he hasn't been shoved down our throats like he was a couple of years ago and yet the Cena hate still continues.

 

[SSJPhenom]

The Cena hate should continue!

Being shoved down our throats like he was a few years ago is enough on it's own to hate him for years to come. His ridiculous character is enough to hate him until he does something. Not exactly turn heel, but something. His, as I have dubbed them, "Hogan wannabe moves," is enough to hate him.

Point is, if I were asked to post, in detail, every single reason why I dislike Cena, I would be here for a very long time.

 

[gd]

The Cena hate should continue!

I disagree.

Being shoved down our throats like he was a few years ago is enough on it's own to hate him for years to come.

First of all, he wasn't really "shoved down our throats." He did he=old the title for a year, but that helped the prestige of the WWE Title and made the WWE better as a whole.

His ridiculous character is enough to hate him until he does something.

How can you call his character ridiculous when you are a fan of the Undertaker?

Not exactly turn heel, but something.

Like what?

His, as I have dubbed them, "Hogan wannabe moves," is enough to hate him.

That is very creative of you, you deserve a gold star. But, how are his moves "Hogan wannabes"? That doesn't even make any sense. If anything, he is better than Hogan was in the ring.

Point is, if I were asked to post, in detail, every single reason why I dislike Cena, I would be here for a very long time.

I challenge you to post such a list, unless of course, you have no other reason to hate Cena except for the fact that it makes you look cool in some way.

 

[SSJPhenom]

I disagree.

Finally, someone new to debate with.

First of all, he wasn't really "shoved down our throats." He did he=old the title for a year, but that helped the prestige of the WWE Title and made the WWE better as a whole.

He was definately shoved down our throats when he was first drafted to Raw. It was all about Cena and what was happening with him. I actually liked his year run as champ. It gave us new and exciting matches and feuds that we hadn't seen before. I also agree that it brought back a level of prestige to the WWE title.

How can you call his character ridiculous when you are a fan of the Undertaker?

It's the fucking UNDERTAKER that's how. 'Taker's character is anything but ridiculous, stale, or boring. 'Taker has the greatest gimmick of all time and has the ability to keep himself fresh with the audience. Cena isn't fresh at all. Hell, even HHH and HBK remain more fresh than Cena. At least they come back at different times with DX and such.

Like what?

Something like, maybe, instead of being the comic relief alot of times. Why doesn't he just come out and use his strength and become a very dominant face. He is probably, pound for pound, the strongest guy on the roster. I really liked Cena when he is complete berserker mode like he was when he threw Edge into the river.

That is very creative of you, you deserve a gold star. But, how are his moves "Hogan wannabes"? That doesn't even make any sense. If anything, he is better than Hogan was in the ring.

Thank you. I know I deserve a golden star. His moveset is very Hoganish. You know, 5 maybe 6 moves of doom. I know you can see this. He is better than Hogan was in the ring, but that's not hard to do. Especially right now. But Cena for me, is alot like Hogan. An uber face, a great hype man, but when the matches roll around, I very unsatisfied.

I challenge you to post such a list, unless of course, you have no other reason to hate Cena except for the fact that it makes you look cool in some way.

You are going to have to give me time on the list. I am actually going to create this post and it will be my single greatest post ever. I have lots of reasons to dislike Cena. I can't do it to be cool, not on here. Disliking Cena has given me more grief than anything in this forum. Everytime I post something on Cena, I believe that it is valid and debatable, however, instead of debating me, people usually give me a red rep for my trouble because to dislike your hero, in Cena, is a sin on here.

 

[Thriller Ant]

Finally, someone new to debate with.

I'm back, because I'm sure you didn't get enough of me last time.

He was definately shoved down our throats when he was first drafted to Raw. It was all about Cena and what was happening with him. I actually liked his year run as champ. It gave us new and exciting matches and feuds that we hadn't seen before. I also agree that it brought back a level of prestige to the WWE title.

Kinda like it is now with Orton? I am a fan of Randy Orton, but he's getting shoved on us now a bit and I don't hear anyone complaining about him.

It's the fucking UNDERTAKER that's how. 'Taker's character is anything but ridiculous, stale, or boring. 'Taker has the greatest gimmick of all time and has the ability to keep himself fresh with the audience. Cena isn't fresh at all. Hell, even HHH and HBK remain more fresh than Cena. At least they come back at different times with DX and such.

Did you really just say that the Undertaker's character, the most outlandish in WWE today, isn't ridiculous? They say he's a deadman with supernatural powers over fire and light. The only reason he is still "fresh with the audience" is because he is only on TV for half the year. Give anyone 6 months off and they will seem fresh.

Something like, maybe, instead of being the comic relief alot of times. Why doesn't he just come out and use his strength and become a very dominant face. He is probably, pound for pound, the strongest guy on the roster. I really liked Cena when he is complete berserker mode like he was when he threw Edge into the river.

He does go into powerhouse mode, it just isn't in his character's personality to be that outside of the ring. His PPV match with the Miz is an example of that.

Thank you. I know I deserve a golden star. His moveset is very Hoganish. You know, 5 maybe 6 moves of doom. I know you can see this. He is better than Hogan was in the ring, but that's not hard to do. Especially right now. But Cena for me, is alot like Hogan. An uber face, a great hype man, but when the matches roll around, I very unsatisfied.

I'm going to put this in bold and all caps, because I am tired of this argument.
EVERY MAIN EVENT FACE IN THE WWE HAS A FEW SIGNATURE MOVES THEY USE IN EVERY MATCH. Trips has the running knee, knee facebuster, and the spinebuster. Shawn has the flying forearm, reverse atomic drop, kip-up, and flying elbow. Jeff Hardy had the mule kick, corner dropkick thingy, Whisper in the Wind, and the Twist of Fate. Get over that fucking argument.

You are going to have to give me time on the list. I am actually going to create this post and it will be my single greatest post ever.

That's really not saying much...

I have lots of reasons to dislike Cena. I can't do it to be cool, not on here. Disliking Cena has given me more grief than anything in this forum. Everytime I post something on Cena, I believe that it is valid and debatable, however, instead of debating me, people usually give me a red rep for my trouble because to dislike your hero, in Cena, is a sin on here.

I will give you credit for defending your opinion. Even though you don't have the best logic, you do stand behind your opinion and I admire that.

 

[Paradox]

Finally, someone new to debate with.

Hey, I'm still here....

He was definately shoved down our throats when he was first drafted to Raw. It was all about Cena and what was happening with him. I actually liked his year run as champ. It gave us new and exciting matches and feuds that we hadn't seen before. I also agree that it brought back a level of prestige to the WWE title.

For your information. No Raw wasn't all about Cena when he got there... If you think that, I'm going to call you an idiot... Cena came to raw in the middle to the end of the Batista Triple h feud... He took the back seat to that feud. We agree that his year long run was great, but I can't believe that you think he keeps doing the same thing over the past year. When he clearly has not.

It's the fucking UNDERTAKER that's how. 'Taker's character is anything but ridiculous, stale, or boring. 'Taker has the greatest gimmick of all time and has the ability to keep himself fresh with the audience.

Wait, Taker has the most unbelivable gimmick that there is today. Yeah, it really makes me GO OMG IT'S THE UNDERTAKER! Yes that gimmick was amazing 20 years ago, but not so much now. The only reason it is, is for the nostalgia factor that comes along with it. I actually am finding the deadman gimmick to be stale. Yes he's has newer stuff in the ring, but as a whole we've seen it. I want something new from him.

Cena isn't fresh at all.

Cena can at least do something on the mic, where Taker doesn't.

Hell, even HHH and HBK remain more fresh than Cena. At least they come back at different times with DX and such.

Wow, did you just say that HBK and HHH are more fresh than Cena? Dude, HBK's been doing the same thing since he returned. that was 7 years ago, almost 8. Triple h as a face is one of the most boring faces I've ever seen.

Something like, maybe, instead of being the comic relief alot of times.

Have you seen his feuds with Orton and Edge? He was anything but comic relief.... I love how you nitpick this, right as he's not. Look back to his promo right before summerslam. The one that he got in Orton's face. How about tonight's when he was talking about how he wouldn't quit... Yeah He's always a comedian...

Why doesn't he just come out and use his strength and become a very dominant face. He is probably, pound for pound, the strongest guy on the roster.

Don't hate Cena for the way he's being booked.

I really liked Cena when he is complete berserker mode like he was when he threw Edge into the river.

Look above...

Thank you. I know I deserve a golden star. His moveset is very Hoganish. You know, 5 maybe 6 moves of doom. I know you can see this.

We know that he has more than that... You've admitted it before.

He is better than Hogan was in the ring, but that's not hard to do. Especially right now. But Cena for me, is alot like Hogan. An uber face, a great hype man, but when the matches roll around, I very unsatisfied.

Wow, wasn't it you that listed Hogan's match not to long ago as classic? way to go on that one...

You are going to have to give me time on the list. I am actually going to create this post and it will be my single greatest post ever.

Yeah, because so many of your post have been great. All you ever seen to do is get everyone pissed off at you...

I have lots of reasons to dislike Cena. I can't do it to be cool, not on here. Disliking Cena has given me more grief than anything in this forum. Everytime I post something on Cena, I believe that it is valid and debatable, however, instead of debating me, people usually give me a red rep for my trouble because to dislike your hero, in Cena, is a sin on here.

Cena isn't my hero... I have debated you... People give you red rep because some of the outlandish things that you say. Such as telling us a video is absolute truth. And red repping me for going against it. When it was your opinion on the video.

 

[SSJPhenom]

I'm back, because I'm sure you didn't get enough of me last time.

I didn't get enough of you last time. We have some unfinished business. Our feud was over way to quickly (trying to make it like a wrestling thing, I failed).

Kinda like it is now with Orton? I am a fan of Randy Orton, but he's getting shoved on us now a bit and I don't hear anyone complaining about him.

The difference between Orton and Cena, IMO, is Orton was a few years in the making. I think that Orton has worked very hard, what with the HHH bury thing and having to job to Hogan, to get where he is now and I am glad to see him there. Orton is better in the ring, IMO. When Cena first came on the scene, it was too much too fast and he wasn't proven to us. He has definately gotten better since then, no denying that.

Did you really just say that the Undertaker's character, the most outlandish in WWE today, isn't ridiculous? They say he's a deadman with supernatural powers over fire and light. The only reason he is still "fresh with the audience" is because he is only on TV for half the year. Give anyone 6 months off and they will seem fresh.

He doesn't use his, "powers," in matches though! Hell, I like to see his powers. He is the only gimmick to survive the very colorful, horrible gimmick days of WWF/E and he deserves credit for that alone. He also remains fresh because he continues to use new moves and he tweaks things about his character all the time. One could learn alot on how to remain fresh with the audience from 'Taker.

He does go into powerhouse mode, it just isn't in his character's personality to be that outside of the ring. His PPV match with the Miz is an example of that.

That's what I am saying. His character would be awesome like that! He should come out, like he did on Edge a few years ago, and just beat the shit out of Randy Orton for no good reason. I would love to see him like that.

I'm going to put this in bold and all caps, because I am tired of this argument.
EVERY MAIN EVENT FACE IN THE WWE HAS A FEW SIGNATURE MOVES THEY USE IN EVERY MATCH. Trips has the running knee, knee facebuster, and the spinebuster. Shawn has the flying forearm, reverse atomic drop, kip-up, and flying elbow. Jeff Hardy had the mule kick, corner dropkick thingy, Whisper in the Wind, and the Twist of Fate. Get over that fucking argument.

I'm tired of this arguement aswell. Everybody has their signatures, but all Cena does is signatures, like Hogan did! Every Cena match is the same, IMO. Cena starts off strong with punches and kicks, get's shit kicked out of him for about 90% of the match with a few punches from him here and there, and then, like Hogan, comes back with his moveset of doom and wins, with his oppenent taking very little damage throughout the whole match.

That's really not saying much...

I happen to disagree. I think that my posts are wonderful.

I will give you credit for defending your opinion. Even though you don't have the best logic, you do stand behind your opinion and I admire that.

Thank you. I will always defend my opinion. BTW, I happen to love my logic.

 

[Thriller Ant]

I didn't get enough of you last time. We have some unfinished business. Our feud was over way to quickly (trying to make it like a wrestling thing, I failed).

It's cool, I got what you were saying.

The difference between Orton and Cena, IMO, is Orton was a few years in the making. I think that Orton has worked very hard, what with the HHH bury thing and having to job to Hogan, to get where he is now and I am glad to see him there. Orton is better in the ring, IMO. When Cena first came on the scene, it was too much too fast and he wasn't proven to us. He has definately gotten better since then, no denying that.

I can agree with this for the most part. I think Cena has been very solid in the ring ever since he started as his current character.

He doesn't use his, "powers," in matches though! Hell, I like to see his powers. He is the only gimmick to survive the very colorful, horrible gimmick days of WWF/E and he deserves credit for that alone. He also remains fresh because he continues to use new moves and he tweaks things about his character all the time. One could learn alot on how to remain fresh with the audience from 'Taker.

But what about all the time he takes off. You failed to talk about that. When you are a guest star on SmackDown for a couple months, your pops get greatly inflated.

That's what I am saying. His character would be awesome like that! He should come out, like he did on Edge a few years ago, and just beat the shit out of Randy Orton for no good reason. I would love to see him like that.

That would be totally out of character for him. This would be something an edgier face like Triple H would do.

I'm tired of this arguement aswell. Everybody has their signatures, but all Cena does is signatures, like Hogan did! Every Cena match is the same, IMO. Cena starts off strong with punches and kicks, get's shit kicked out of him for about 90% of the match with a few punches from him here and there, and then, like Hogan, comes back with his moveset of doom and wins, with his oppenent taking very little damage throughout the whole match.

Cena can mat wrestle, he did in his matches against the Miz. Besides the "movez of doom" he does a fisherman's suplex, the throwback, a few mat holds, and more that I can't think of off the top of my head.

I happen to disagree. I think that my posts are wonderful.

Lol, you are getting better.

 

[SSJPhenom]

Hey, I'm still here....

You and I are like Cena/Edge. We've been down this road a time or two!

For your information. No Raw wasn't all about Cena when he got there... If you think that, I'm going to call you an idiot... Cena came to raw in the middle to the end of the Batista Triple h feud... He took the back seat to that feud. We agree that his year long run was great, but I can't believe that you think he keeps doing the same thing over the past year. When he clearly has not.

He took a back seat for like two weeks. WOW, such a long time. After that, it was all about Cena and he was still very new to the main event scene. That is why I consider him stuffed down my throat.

Wait, Taker has the most unbelivable gimmick that there is today. Yeah, it really makes me GO OMG IT'S THE UNDERTAKER! Yes that gimmick was amazing 20 years ago, but not so much now. The only reason it is, is for the nostalgia factor that comes along with it. I actually am finding the deadman gimmick to be stale. Yes he's has newer stuff in the ring, but as a whole we've seen it. I want something new from him.

I love how you all like to lable 'Taker's character as pure nostalgia and give no credit whatsoever, to the man behind the The Phenom. Simple fact is, 'Taker's gimmick is the only one of its kind and it wouldn't have worked with anyone else, not for this long at least. Why do you want something new from him when he is putting on WM classics and having, consistantly, the best matches of his career right now?

Cena can at least do something on the mic, where Taker doesn't.

Are you really going to tell me that 'Taker can't use a mic? Really? I thought we were friends and then you have to pull some shit like that. Saying 'Taker can't us a mic is like saying Rock couldn't cut a promo. He is very good on the mic, or didn't you see him as Big Evil? That is the beauty behind 'Taker however, he can make his character work without talking us to death. You all will go to war saying that a mic skills are more important than in ring ability (you have said this for Cena before, so don't deny it), so why isn't this so for 'Taker? Give the man the credit he deserves.

BTW, my favorite 'Taker quote is: "Come this Sunday, you better go to church and give your soul to the lord because your ass belongs to me!"

Wow, did you just say that HBK and HHH are more fresh than Cena? Dude, HBK's been doing the same thing since he returned. that was 7 years ago, almost 8. Triple h as a face is one of the most boring faces I've ever seen.

HBK changes his game from bible thumper to whacky for DX. HHH also goes from being the Game to whacky for DX. So, yes, I am calling them more fresh than Cena.

Have you seen his feuds with Orton and Edge? He was anything but comic relief.... I love how you nitpick this, right as he's not. Look back to his promo right before summerslam. The one that he got in Orton's face. How about tonight's when he was talking about how he wouldn't quit... Yeah He's always a comedian...

He is comedy more often than not. I loved when he went crazy on Edge. He has yet to do that on Orton.

Don't hate Cena for the way he's being booked.

Can't argue that!

Look above...

I have.

We know that he has more than that... You've admitted it before.

He has given me a few good pieces of in ring work, but it doesn't out number the hundreds that suck!

Wow, wasn't it you that listed Hogan's match not to long ago as classic? way to go on that one...

Of course Hogan has had some classics. He is Hulk fucking Hogan. The greatest hype man of all time. His matches weren't classic because of wrestling though, they were classic because of him moving mountains and chopping down giants and so on and so forth. He made them classic by the way he held the crowd and to say Cena can do this like Hogan is a fucking stretch.

Yeah, because so many of your post have been great. All you ever seen to do is get everyone pissed off at you...

I happen to like my posts. If you all get pissed, then that's you.

Cena isn't my hero... I have debated you... People give you red rep because some of the outlandish things that you say. Such as telling us a video is absolute truth. And red repping me for going against it. When it was your opinion on the video.

You have debated me and I enjoy it. I get red rep because I am against Cena. I guarantee you this. I can come on here tomorrow and say that I have had a change, I have seen the light, Cena is great and I can list some bullshit reasons as to why and I guarantee you that I would get at least one green rep!

That video was the closest thing to proof provided in our debate! You and LJL continuely say that you have proven me wrong when it is just your opinion that you all are going by.

 

[SSJPhenom]

It's cool, I got what you were saying.

Good. I thought I would get lost there.

I can agree with this for the most part. I think Cena has been very solid in the ring ever since he started as his current character.

We agree? WOW, AWESOME. Cena has gotten way better, but I wouldn't venture so far as to call him solid. I still dislike much of his in ring work, although, he has satisfied me a few times.

But what about all the time he takes off. You failed to talk about that. When you are a guest star on SmackDown for a couple months, your pops get greatly inflated.

Again, He's the fucking Undertaker! He can take time off, he's earned it. He is a legend and I think that's what they have to do to remain relevant. I think that Ric Flair could do this aswell, if he wanted, but no, he had to always be there. Hogan could do this too, if he didn't bury everybody he faced.

That would be totally out of character for him. This would be something an edgier face like Triple H would do.

That was my whole point to begin with. Tweak his character a little bit. Make him an edgy face. I don't think that it is logical for him to turn heel, not as long as he is the biggest face.

Cena can mat wrestle, he did in his matches against the Miz. Besides the "movez of doom" he does a fisherman's suplex, the throwback, a few mat holds, and more that I can't think of off the top of my head.

Which have we seen more? Cena mat wrestling or his moveset of death?

Lol, you are getting better.

I try. You all think it is easy to just dislike Cena, it's much harder than it looks. Especially when you have to go against the masses.

 

[Thriller Ant]

I'm just gonna argue these 2 points, just 'cuz.

Again, He's the fucking Undertaker! He can take time off, he's earned it. He is a legend and I think that's what they have to do to remain relevant. I think that Ric Flair could do this aswell, if he wanted, but no, he had to always be there. Hogan could do this too, if he didn't bury everybody he faced.

This is completely ridiculous. So, by your logic, CEOs of major companies who have been there for more than a decade have earned the right to disappear for 6 months? What about police officers, lawyers or doctors? Have they earned 6 months a year off if they have been there for 15 years?

That was my whole point to begin with. Tweak his character a little bit. Make him an edgy face. I don't think that it is logical for him to turn heel, not as long as he is the biggest face.

They don't need him to be that. They already have Triple H on Raw, they don't need two guys like that. Plus, Cena plays his character very well.

 

[YoYoYumba]

It doesn't matter what you are mad about in referance to Cena. If you are mad about him for one reason or another, your anger is misplaced.

So you mean my anger is misplaced in the sense I should be angry at the WWE product and not him? If that's what you mean then I'd say you do have a fair point. Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding you though before I talk more about that.

I'm not the one who was whining about Cena and started two threads trying to create anti-Cena sentiment. You're right, I can do better, I just don't need to against you.

Well I was just in the mood I guess, that's all. I've read alot of negative comments on here regarding Cena and it's not whinning. It's people having an opinion. Haven't you ever been in one of those moods you just wanted to unleash some anger out. Yes it didn't look very intelligent..lol but I just thought what the hell, why not just spill my guts out and hate on some-one who pisses me off. If other people can bash certain wrestlers on here, I don't see why I can't

Maybe that is because the product is actually appropriate for kids now. My parents wouldn't let me watch WWF/E during the wars because of the sex, cursing, and blood. I enjoyed WCW anyway though

Yeah it is appropriate for kids...sucks for older fans like myself though who enjoyed the sex, cursing and blood..oh well.

Who cares if girls only like him for his looks? I wish I was making millions of dollars because of my looks in addition to my talent. Parents don't have to root for Cena. My dad, who knows nothing about wrestling or any sports, used to root for the guy I wasn't rooting for just to mess with me.

Yeah I wish I was making millions instead of sitting here too lol. Parents don't have to but they do because like I said parents are likely to just be there to support their kids and spend time with them rather than have their own opinion of who they like. They'll never start chants against whoever their kids are supporting...most likely anyway.

What's wrong with being targeted toward kids? It is a very good business idea, and Cena is very good at playing a difficult character. Maybe the mixed reaction is because there are people like you in the crowd that think they are cool because they boo the good guy. It doesn't make you or the rest of them cool, but more power to you for thinking that.

It is good for business. I'll agree on that.....wow something we agree on thriller! I don't know what you mean by his character being difficult but neway I find it amusing that Cena fans assume that people who don't like Cena are only doing it to be cool. I don't hate Cena because it's "the cool thing to do". Like I've before, I hate him because of his character, which I find extremely boring and stale.

Ok, let's get some humor into Jericho and Orton's characters stat. That would help them immensely.

Good point. Both those guys are brilliant at what they do and don't require humour so that was actually pretty smart of you to notice. What I should of said is that humour would help the character of any face. With heels, not as important, seeing as they should be trying to piss off everyone and get heat.

He is funny. Go back and watch some of his promos, it isn't always roll of the floor funny, but he has some good comedic timing. You probably enjoyed the heel character because you giggled everytime he said "nuts."

Once again to me he is not funny. We'll never agree on this. I enjoyed the heel gimmick because of the raps he would do and how he gave his opponent shit as well as the crowd. No I never giggled everytime he said "nuts", that's probably what the little kiddy cena fans would giggle at, not me thank you

And I'm illustrating the point that people on youtube are flamers and idiots. I'm doing a better job illustrating my point that more people like Cena.

Not fair to just judge everyone who posts vids on that site. By that logic I guess you probably assume all african american's must be awesome at basketball. Yes Cena does have alot of fans, mainly kids and females....but still alot, not arguing that. We both know at the same time there's alot of people who hate him too. Ok? Let's move on.

Who would be the best face then? Cena is the most over, sells the most merch, and is very solid in the ring. Sounds like a top face to me.

To me the best faces in the WWE at the moment are Triple H, HBK and The Undertaker and there's alot of others who prefer seeing those guys rather than Cena. Cena is boring and predictable in the ring but I guess that's what every kid wants..a superhero...To me all he does is play a boring predictable superman who gets his ass beaten 90 per cent of the match and then wins "unbelievably"...yay superhero....ughh, you may like it but not me.

So the good guy is to much of a good guy. Ok, someone send word to Vince that Cena needs to cuss out Orton and beat the living crap out of him unprovoked because some noob on a wrestling forum said so.

Haha very funny. Even for a face his too much of a good guy for my liking and its clear when he comes out into the ring and cuts the most boring promo's.

Hustle, loyalty, and respect are values he lives by, and good ones at that. You can't see me may be the most successful catchphrase in the post-Rock era. They are both better than D-X getting ready to suck it.

Hustle..loyalty...respect?? When I watch wrestling I don't want to support a guy who comes out says cheesy shit like that. This is what I mean by being too much of a good guy....it makes me wanna puke. I want to see him give shit and hurt someone, not come out and say cheesy shit like that, which your taught by your parents when your a little kid. You can't see me is one of the saddest and pathetic catchphrases and don't involve dx's "suck it" cause that catchphrase was awesome at the time and still is...not as much as before but I still think it's alot better than "you can't see me".

What is wrong with respecting your opponent? In all legit sports the second you stop respecting your opponent and their abilities is the second you start getting your ass kicked. I guess Randy Orton punting his dad wasn't personal enough for you either.

Are you serious???? The WWE is not a legit sport and never will be. It's always been about the good guy v the bad guy. In legit sports there is no such thing as "the good guy" or "the bad guy" and that's basic knowledge that anyone who watches sport can tell you. This is the WWE and I don't need some ****** like Cena in the ring telling me how he respects everyone and will never back down from a challenge. That's the sorta shit that your parents or school teachers will tell you when their giving you advice when your young. I watch WWE to escape away from the every day problems we all experience in life and to kick back and relax and enjoy a good show.

I might have to realize that you are a lost cause. I have explained a couple times now why Cena's character is very good and why he is excellent at it, yet all you do is say the same thing over and over as to why you hate it. Face it, you are wrong. Cena's character is an uberface. He gets the biggest pops. He sells ungodly amounts of merchandise. He is solid in the ring. What are you missing here?

I've explained very clearly why I hate Cena so I don't know what your talking about. Triple and Undertaker at the moment seem to get the loudest reactions to me. Cena has been getting alot of mixed reactions since his been a face for a few years now. I'm not going to argue the merch sales but keep in mind it's mainly kids who buy that, who are pretty easy prey when it comes to selling shit for a business like the WWE.

 

[Paradox]

You and I are like Cena/Edge. We've been down this road a time or two!

Yeah, pretty much...

He took a back seat for like two weeks. WOW, such a long time. After that, it was all about Cena and he was still very new to the main event scene. That is why I consider him stuffed down my throat.

Sorry, your wrong again. He wasn't there for two weeks. Then moved into the main spot light, he actually was there for around a month before he headlined a raw main event. The reason for that was Triple h took a break, batista went to smackdown. He was the biggest draw that Raw had. So that is why he was were he was. You made a comment way back when that Christian went to tna because he wouldn't be the main guy and Cena was. Well the fact is Christian can't draw on a big stage like Cena can. Thus why they added Jericho to make there match a triple threat.

I love how you all like to lable 'Taker's character as pure nostalgia and give no credit whatsoever, to the man behind the The Phenom.

In no way did I bash Mark Callaway. I respect the man for the role that he has taken in wwe. It's not very many men that we are willing to take a back seat for the betterment of the company. Cena is one of these men as well. As he lost the title and didn't regain it for more than a year. Mark as done an amazing job as the Deadman.

Simple fact is, 'Taker's gimmick is the only one of its kind and it wouldn't have worked with anyone else, not for this long at least.

I agree it wouldn't have worked with anyone else. Like I said I give Mark a lot of Credit. To me it is old, and wish he would bring something different. Just as you wish that Cena would change his. I'm ready for something new from Taker.

Why do you want something new from him when he is putting on WM classics and having, consistantly, the best matches of his career right now?

I'm ready for something new from his gimmick. I enjoy his match, though I know almost exactly how they are going to end. Each and every time. I enjoy his move set, even though I've seen it a thousand times. His gimmick on the other hand has worn off on me.

Are you really going to tell me that 'Taker can't use a mic? Really?

Did I say that? No, I didn't. What I said was Cena can use the mic. Taker Doesn't. Not to say that he couldn't use it.

I thought we were friends and then you have to pull some shit like that. Saying 'Taker can't us a mic is like saying Rock couldn't cut a promo. He is very good on the mic, or didn't you see him as Big Evil?

Wow, someone is getting there panties in a wand aren't you? Yes, I did see him as big evil. Personally it was my favorite gimmick that Taker used. I found him entertaining. As he was very good on the mic. All I said was he choose not to use the mic. Which I wish he would do, because I love Taker when he uses the mic. Don't assume so much.

That is the beauty behind 'Taker however, he can make his character work without talking us to death.

Yeah, but as a result he has become bland at times. Don't jump on me I love the guy as much as the next. The whole mystic of the Phenom has worn off on me.

You all will go to war saying that a mic skills are more important than in ring ability (you have said this for Cena before, so don't deny it), so why isn't this so for 'Taker? Give the man the credit he deserves.

Nope, never did say that, nor am I going to go to "war" as you say about it. I said that mic skills help one become the total package, without them you can't be a big star. I believe that Cena has become very solid in the ring and carry his own. You however expect him to be on the level of HBK or Taker to be good. A level that more than half the roster isn't on. I have given Mark credit. He's great, just wish he would change things up a bit.

BTW, my favorite 'Taker quote is: "Come this Sunday, you better go to church and give your soul to the lord because your ass belongs to me!"

It's a good one.

HBK changes his game from bible thumper to whacky for DX. HHH also goes from being the Game to whacky for DX. So, yes, I am calling them more fresh than Cena.

Really, I have no need to even say anything about that because of stupid it was. Really come up with something better.

He is comedy more often than not. I loved when he went crazy on Edge. He has yet to do that on Orton.

Once again you are wrong. Look back at his feud with Orton in 07. Look at when he purposely got disqualified because of his anger. Look at his the times he rushed the ring to get Orton back for what he did to his dad. Then look at his Promo before summerslam with Orton. The one I originally pointed you to. See how much you look at things.

Can't argue that!

I'm glad that you can admit something things sometimes. Congrats!

He has given me a few good pieces of in ring work, but it doesn't out number the hundreds that suck!

Haven't heard that one before...

Of course Hogan has had some classics. He is Hulk fucking Hogan. The greatest hype man of all time.

I personally find it amusing that every time I attack an example of yours. You turn around and say He's fucking so and so. If that's the best you got come up with something else.

His matches weren't classic because of wrestling though, they were classic because of him moving mountains and chopping down giants and so on and so forth. He made them classic by the way he held the crowd and to say Cena can do this like Hogan is a fucking stretch.

Wow, just wow... I really think that I'm losing respect for you. Apparently for you to be the best of all time you only have to be a hype machine. Wait what? Didn't you just say that in ring ability is more important than Mic ability? Well that theory just got shot out of the water if you're saying that Hogan couldn't put on a decent match. He was the best because he could carry a match, he could put on a great match. A match that was entertaining for everyone. If he couldn't then why is he the one name that wrestling is known for by anyone and everyone?

I happen to like my posts. If you all get pissed, then that's you.

Good for you....

You have debated me and I enjoy it. I get red rep because I am against Cena. I guarantee you this.

No, you get red rep because of some of the ignorant things that you say. You're not open minded, and hate on anyone who doesn't agree with you.

I can come on here tomorrow and say that I have had a change, I have seen the light, Cena is great and I can list some bullshit reasons as to why and I guarantee you that I would get at least one green rep!

Nope, you wouldn't get any from me, and I doubt you would get anything from anyone else. Because you flip flop from issue to issue. Look through this post I've caught you doing it.

That video was the closest thing to proof provided in our debate! You and LJL continuely say that you have proven me wrong when it is just your opinion that you all are going by.

it wasn't that's what so funny. You can keep saying that, but nothing was said that was "proof." Whether you like it or not, you gave your opinion on the video. Then told all of us that it was proof. Yeah, way to win people over with "proof"

I find it extremely funny that I begin to nitpick your favorite wrestler on little things like you do. And then you blow a gasket, then make fun of all of us who like Cena for going off on you when you go after Cena.

 

[Thriller Ant]

So you mean my anger is misplaced in the sense I should be angry at the WWE product and not him? If that's what you mean then I'd say you do have a fair point. Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding you though before I talk more about that.

I mean that there are much more important things in the world to be mad about than John Cena.

Well I was just in the mood I guess, that's all. I've read alot of negative comments on here regarding Cena and it's not whinning. It's people having an opinion. Haven't you ever been in one of those moods you just wanted to unleash some anger out. Yes it didn't look very intelligent..lol but I just thought what the hell, why not just spill my guts out and hate on some-one who pisses me off. If other people can bash certain wrestlers on here, I don't see why I can't

People do bash wrestlers on here, except they are usually intelligent about it.

Yeah it is appropriate for kids...sucks for older fans like myself though who enjoyed the sex, cursing and blood..oh well.

There are plenty of other places you can see sex, cursing, and blood. I personally can do without it. It added nothing to the product, and I really didn't like it at all.

Yeah I wish I was making millions instead of sitting here too lol. Parents don't have to but they do because like I said parents are likely to just be there to support their kids and spend time with them rather than have their own opinion of who they like. They'll never start chants against whoever their kids are supporting...most likely anyway.

Just because they don't actively cheer against him doesn't mean they cheer for him. You can sit there quietly, too.

It is good for business. I'll agree on that.....wow something we agree on thriller! I don't know what you mean by his character being difficult but neway I find it amusing that Cena fans assume that people who don't like Cena are only doing it to be cool. I don't hate Cena because it's "the cool thing to do". Like I've before, I hate him because of his character, which I find extremely boring and stale.

It is very hard to play a perfect role model character. Go out today and try to be John Cena's character for a few hours today and see how hard it is.

Good point. Both those guys are brilliant at what they do and don't require humour so that was actually pretty smart of you to notice. What I should of said is that humour would help the character of any face. With heels, not as important, seeing as they should be trying to piss off everyone and get heat.

Was Triple H funny in the build up to WrestleMania? When was the last time you heard Undertaker or Jeff Hardy crack a joke? Faces don't need to be funny.

Not fair to just judge everyone who posts vids on that site. By that logic I guess you probably assume all african american's must be awesome at basketball. Yes Cena does have alot of fans, mainly kids and females....but still alot, not arguing that. We both know at the same time there's alot of people who hate him too. Ok? Let's move on.

You mean they aren't?

To me the best faces in the WWE at the moment are Triple H, HBK and The Undertaker and there's alot of others who prefer seeing those guys rather than Cena. Cena is boring and predictable in the ring but I guess that's what every kid wants..a superhero...To me all he does is play a boring predictable superman who gets his ass beaten 90 per cent of the match and then wins "unbelievably"...yay superhero....ughh, you may like it but not me.

Triple H and Shawn are just as predictable. Watch a typical Cena victory, then a typical Trips or HBK victory from the last couple years. The will look pretty similar.

Haha very funny. Even for a face his too much of a good guy for my liking and its clear when he comes out into the ring and cuts the most boring promo's.

Go watch his promo from Raw last night. It was one of the best promos in recent memory.

Hustle..loyalty...respect?? When I watch wrestling I don't want to support a guy who comes out says cheesy shit like that. This is what I mean by being too much of a good guy....it makes me wanna puke. I want to see him give shit and hurt someone, not come out and say cheesy shit like that, which your taught by your parents when your a little kid.

So you don't like that he has a very honorable montra he lives by? It may be cheesy, but it is a very good way to live, character or not.

You can't see me is one of the saddest and pathetic catchphrases and don't involve dx's "suck it" cause that catchphrase was awesome at the time and still is...not as much as before but I still think it's alot better than "you can't see me".

Usted no me puede ver.

Are you serious???? The WWE is not a legit sport and never will be. It's always been about the good guy v the bad guy. In legit sports there is no such thing as "the good guy" or "the bad guy" and that's basic knowledge that anyone who watches sport can tell you. This is the WWE and I don't need some ****** like Cena in the ring telling me how he respects everyone and will never back down from a challenge. That's the sorta shit that your parents or school teachers will tell you when their giving you advice when your young. I watch WWE to escape away from the every day problems we all experience in life and to kick back and relax and enjoy a good show.

Never said it was. If you want to kick back and relax, do that and quit bitching about the best face in the company.

I've explained very clearly why I hate Cena so I don't know what your talking about. Triple and Undertaker at the moment seem to get the loudest reactions to me. Cena has been getting alot of mixed reactions since his been a face for a few years now. I'm not going to argue the merch sales but keep in mind it's mainly kids who buy that, who are pretty easy prey when it comes to selling shit for a business like the WWE.

Yep, because kids have disposable income . Cena always gets the loudest reactions, and gets 95% cheers from most crowds now. He is the best face in the company.

 

[SSJPhenom]

I'm just gonna argue these 2 points, just 'cuz.

Don't spare me...................cuz why?

This is completely ridiculous. So, by your logic, CEOs of major companies who have been there for more than a decade have earned the right to disappear for 6 months? What about police officers, lawyers or doctors? Have they earned 6 months a year off if they have been there for 15 years?

You can't compare CEOs, Police Officers, Lawyers, or Doctors to WWE atheletes! None of their jobs are as taxing on the body as a WWE stars is (except maybe a police officer, they are in danger alot). Besides, a WWE superstars job is not vital to society. So yes, if you are a WWE superstar who has been on top for most of your career and you are considered a legend, I think that you do have the right to take some time off every year to heal up and not get burned out. 'Taker is there now, mainly, to put over new stars. So why should he be there all the time?

They don't need him to be that. They already have Triple H on Raw, they don't need two guys like that. Plus, Cena plays his character very well.

Cena does play his character very well, I will give him that. Sometimes, however, I can't figure out what he is. Take last night for example: In his promo, he came off to me alot like Muhammad Ali, IDK about you all. Other times he is the comic relief, then he is crazy, then he is serious crazy, then he goes balistic. I guess he does vary his character alot. I would love to see him be the dominant face that can just come out and whip some ass like Austin. When you heard the glass, you knew that was somebody's ass! I don't get that when I hear Cena's music hit. When I hear Cena's music, I know I'm probably in for some one liners.

 

[gd]

Finally, someone new to debate with.

I guess I'll humor you, nothing else to do at the moment.

He was definately shoved down our throats when he was first drafted to Raw.

Just because he was given TV time and elevated to the main event scene?

It was all about Cena and what was happening with him. I actually liked his year run as champ. It gave us new and exciting matches and feuds that we hadn't seen before. I also agree that it brought back a level of prestige to the WWE title.

Then why should "The Cena hate continue"?

It's the fucking UNDERTAKER that's how. 'Taker's character is anything but ridiculous, stale, or boring. 'Taker has the greatest gimmick of all time and has the ability to keep himself fresh with the audience. Cena isn't fresh at all. Hell, even HHH and HBK remain more fresh than Cena. At least they come back at different times with DX and such.

I wasn't trying to rip on the Undertaker, but how could you have called Cena's character ridicuolous? He isn't ridiculous at all, he has a great character that works for him. He may not be as fresh as the Undertaker because he doesn't take 7 or 8 months off every year.

Something like, maybe, instead of being the comic relief alot of times. Why doesn't he just come out and use his strength and become a very dominant face. He is probably, pound for pound, the strongest guy on the roster. I really liked Cena when he is complete berserker mode like he was when he threw Edge into the river.

Cena isn't always comic relief. When it's time to get serious, he is. And he is one of the most dominant on the roster.

Thank you. I know I deserve a golden star. His moveset is very Hoganish. You know, 5 maybe 6 moves of doom. I know you can see this. He is better than Hogan was in the ring, but that's not hard to do. Especially right now. But Cena for me, is alot like Hogan. An uber face, a great hype man, but when the matches roll around, I very unsatisfied.

Every single wrestler has a set of 5 or 6 signature moves that they use in every match, and many have the same sequence leading to the end. Why do people only point on Cena when talking about this?

You are going to have to give me time on the list. I am actually going to create this post and it will be my single greatest post ever. I have lots of reasons to dislike Cena. I can't do it to be cool, not on here. Disliking Cena has given me more grief than anything in this forum. Everytime I post something on Cena, I believe that it is valid and debatable, however, instead of debating me, people usually give me a red rep for my trouble because to dislike your hero, in Cena, is a sin on here.

People who are against Cena to get a bad rap around here, but that is because of all of the morons that hate him. You aren't as stupid as most, but you still are just blindly hating him. I'm not going to red rep you, but I want to see that list pretty soon.

 

[SSJPhenom]

Yeah, pretty much...

I know, right?

Sorry, your wrong again. He wasn't there for two weeks. Then moved into the main spot light, he actually was there for around a month before he headlined a raw main event. The reason for that was Triple h took a break, batista went to smackdown. He was the biggest draw that Raw had. So that is why he was were he was. You made a comment way back when that Christian went to tna because he wouldn't be the main guy and Cena was. Well the fact is Christian can't draw on a big stage like Cena can. Thus why they added Jericho to make there match a triple threat.

So being on the flag ship show for around a month is enough for you to be the face of that show when you just won a major title for the first time about two months prior? I don't think that it is. Cena wasn't proven to alot of WWE fans. Not proven enough to carry Raw anyway, thus why he had such a hard time getting over as the face of Raw. Thus why he has a hard time still getting over on some die hard WWE fans.

In no way did I bash Mark Callaway. I respect the man for the role that he has taken in wwe. It's not very many men that we are willing to take a back seat for the betterment of the company. Cena is one of these men as well. As he lost the title and didn't regain it for more than a year. Mark as done an amazing job as the Deadman.

Just making sure that you give credit to the man that makes The Deadman tick. He is outstanding.

BTW, I think that I have told you several times in the past that I think that Cena is a company man. I respect for this alot and I am convinced that he would do whatever he has to for the betterment of the WWE product.

I agree it wouldn't have worked with anyone else. Like I said I give Mark a lot of Credit. To me it is old, and wish he would bring something different. Just as you wish that Cena would change his. I'm ready for something new from Taker.

Sometimes I do think that the 'Taker gimmick is a little bland. Sometimes I do get tired of lightening bolts and him raising fire from the depths of hell. However, he hasn't done this in awhile and when he does it again, I will mark out as usual. When he makes his entrance, I sit there, completely silent with a big grin on my face as his mere preasence is awe inspiring. It's really great in person. If you haven't seen it, you should!

I'm ready for something new from his gimmick. I enjoy his match, though I know almost exactly how they are going to end. Each and every time. I enjoy his move set, even though I've seen it a thousand times. His gimmick on the other hand has worn off on me.

His matches are great and his gimmick is legendary. Everytime it starts to get old for me, he adds something whether it be fire to his entrance, new tights, a new finisher, or he takes off for a few months. He can always be relevant with the fans.

Did I say that? No, I didn't. What I said was Cena can use the mic. Taker Doesn't. Not to say that he couldn't use it.

Come on man, you are going to tell me that when he pops up on the titantron for a classic 'Taker promo, you don't get excited? Cena can use a mic, never denied that.

Wow, someone is getting there panties in a wand aren't you? Yes, I did see him as big evil. Personally it was my favorite gimmick that Taker used. I found him entertaining. As he was very good on the mic. All I said was he choose not to use the mic. Which I wish he would do, because I love Taker when he uses the mic. Don't assume so much.

Big Evil as a heel was good, but Big Evil as the face, I really didn't like. He was great on the mic in this persona, however. I wish he would talk more too, but I don't want him to take away from the mystic of the Undertaker. That's his dilema.

Yeah, but as a result he has become bland at times. Don't jump on me I love the guy as much as the next. The whole mystic of the Phenom has worn off on me.

Any bad thing one says about 'Taker has to be addressed by me, otherwise, I wouldn't be living up to my name!

Nope, never did say that, nor am I going to go to "war" as you say about it. I said that mic skills help one become the total package, without them you can't be a big star. I believe that Cena has become very solid in the ring and carry his own. You however expect him to be on the level of HBK or Taker to be good. A level that more than half the roster isn't on. I have given Mark credit. He's great, just wish he would change things up a bit.

Just because I expect more out of what is supposed to be the top star in the business, doesn't mean that he isn't good. I complemented Cena several times on what I think is good about him, however, I don't think that he is going to be great until he can go out there and put on that great match as often as the greats did or still do.

It's a good one.

Check out my sig! All credit goes to Theo Mays!

Really, I have no need to even say anything about that because of stupid it was. Really come up with something better.

I will try!

Once again you are wrong. Look back at his feud with Orton in 07. Look at when he purposely got disqualified because of his anger. Look at his the times he rushed the ring to get Orton back for what he did to his dad. Then look at his Promo before summerslam with Orton. The one I originally pointed you to. See how much you look at things.

I liked his promo before Summerslam, but he went right back to comic relief when Show and Jericho came out.

I'm glad that you can admit something things sometimes. Congrats!

Thanks.

Haven't heard that one before...

Trying to build a persona here.

I personally find it amusing that every time I attack an example of yours. You turn around and say He's fucking so and so. If that's the best you got come up with something else.

Because everytime that you attack an example of mine, you use one of the greats to do it on. What else can be said about these guys? There name is proof enough to discredit anything that you might say or point to about them.

Wow, just wow... I really think that I'm losing respect for you. Apparently for you to be the best of all time you only have to be a hype machine. Wait what? Didn't you just say that in ring ability is more important than Mic ability? Well that theory just got shot out of the water if you're saying that Hogan couldn't put on a decent match. He was the best because he could carry a match, he could put on a great match. A match that was entertaining for everyone. If he couldn't then why is he the one name that wrestling is known for by anyone and everyone?

Yes, you do have to be a hype machine to become great in wrestling. Hulk Hogan was a great hype man, because he moved mountains and such, however, he wasn't as good as an in ring performer as Ric Flair, but who do we consider the best of all time? I never said that Hogan couldn't put on a decent match. Some of his matches were really good, but most of them, especially in his WCW days were lackluster. Point you to one that was all hype and should have been a hell of a lot better: Sting vs Hogan Starcade '97. Another one you say? Warrior vs Hogan '98. I can keep going if you want. In WCW he put on shit match after shit match after, legendarily, shit match (thank you Xfear for that)!

Good for you....

Thanks.

No, you get red rep because of some of the ignorant things that you say. You're not open minded, and hate on anyone who doesn't agree with you.

I say what I feel. Just because you don't feel the same, don't call me ignorant. I'm sorry that you feel like I am hating on you, I am just debating my opinion here.

Nope, you wouldn't get any from me, and I doubt you would get anything from anyone else. Because you flip flop from issue to issue. Look through this post I've caught you doing it.

How boring would this thread be if I stuck to the same issue all the time when I have several that issues with Cena? I have to change the issues up.

it wasn't that's what so funny. You can keep saying that, but nothing was said that was "proof." Whether you like it or not, you gave your opinion on the video. Then told all of us that it was proof. Yeah, way to win people over with "proof"

It was the closest thing to proof that we had. I guess you would rather have had HBK come out and say, "I carried his bitch ass all night!" Wait, haven't I already said that before?

I find it extremely funny that I begin to nitpick your favorite wrestler on little things like you do. And then you blow a gasket, then make fun of all of us who like Cena for going off on you when you go after Cena.

Yes I blow a gasket when you nit pick at 'Taker, just like you would if I were to say something about The Rock! I do not make fun of you Cena fans at all, I just don't see what the big deal about him is and that is my whole point on this thread.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

So being on the flag ship show for around a month is enough for you to be the face of that show when you just won a major title for the first time about two months prior? I don't think that it is. Cena wasn't proven to alot of WWE fans. Not proven enough to carry Raw anyway, thus why he had such a hard time getting over as the face of Raw. Thus why he has a hard time still getting over on some die hard WWE fans.


Just because I expect more out of what is supposed to be the top star in the business, doesn't mean that he isn't good. I complemented Cena several times on what I think is good about him, however, I don't think that he is going to be great until he can go out there and put on that great match as often as the greats did or still do.

1. Why wouldn't you want your top champion as the flagship of RAW? Who else was it going to be? Jericho isn't a great world champion and Christian wasn't going to be ready either. So it was pretty much set once Batista went to Smackdown.

2. He has put on plenty of great matches. I guess the HBK/Cena match from RAW doesn't classify as a great match. I guess HBK/Edge TLC doesn't classify as a great match. But I guess you would say that HBK/Flair or Undertaker/Flair were better.

 

[JBK2008]

He may not have a great moveset, but the guy can cut a promo and get everyone to react to him. He is the face of the WWE and the cash cow so to speak. He loves the company and puts all his energy into making the business better!

 

[SSJPhenom]

1. Why wouldn't you want your top champion as the flagship of RAW? Who else was it going to be? Jericho isn't a great world champion and Christian wasn't going to be ready either. So it was pretty much set once Batista went to Smackdown.

It would make sense to have the top champion be the face of the show, if that champion is ready. Again, Cena wasn't proven to most of the WWE fan base and alot of people were like, "Who the fuck do you think you are?" Thus why he couldn't get over for a very long time.

2. He has put on plenty of great matches. I guess the HBK/Cena match from RAW doesn't classify as a great match. I guess HBK/Edge TLC doesn't classify as a great match. But I guess you would say that HBK/Flair or Undertaker/Flair were better.

HBK/Cena was great, but he had HBK standing across the ring from him.

Edge/Cena was a decent match, but wasn't the best TLC match when compared to past ones or even when compared to 'Taker/Edge TLC.

You know I loved HBK/Flair, why continue to comment on it?

Undertaker/Flair was a very good feud and match at WM 18 and is completely underrated. That was one of the best matches from WM 18, IMO.

BTW, why don't you Cena fans ever comment on his best match ever? His I
Quit match with JBL was his best match, IMO! That is a match that I would go to bat for and that match is why I am actually excited to see his I Quit match with Orton.

 

[SSJPhenom]

I guess I'll humor you, nothing else to do at the moment.

So you will only debate me when you have nothing else to do?

Just because he was given TV time and elevated to the main event scene?

Because he was given TV time and elevated to the main event so quickly. A wise man once said, "You can't rush these things." Cena was rushed, IMO.

Then why should "The Cena hate continue"?

Beause there are more issues that I have with him. One good deed does not fix the entire problem.

I wasn't trying to rip on the Undertaker, but how could you have called Cena's character ridicuolous? He isn't ridiculous at all, he has a great character that works for him. He may not be as fresh as the Undertaker because he doesn't take 7 or 8 months off every year.

Maybe I went to far calling Cena's character ridiculous. It is just stale and boring.

BTW, I am tired of the amount of time 'Taker takes off changing from post to post. First it was 4 months, then someone said 5, then it became 6, now it is 7 to 8 months. Before long, you all will have him only working one program a year. 'Taker was off a total of 4 months and that was it, meaning that he worked the majority of the year. He was off less than that last year. He really doesn't take as much time as you all would have us believe. I think it is because you all yearn for 'Taker that you think he is gone all the time. It feels like a very long time, doesn't it? I know.

Cena isn't always comic relief. When it's time to get serious, he is. And he is one of the most dominant on the roster.

He got pinned by Orton twice at SS. Yea, he is dominant. He has been consistantly getting his ass whipped by Orton. I think that the only time that he was dominant was in his year long run.

Every single wrestler has a set of 5 or 6 signature moves that they use in every match, and many have the same sequence leading to the end. Why do people only point on Cena when talking about this?

All Cena does, besides some punches and kicks, are his signature moves though. That is why he is pointed out more than the rest.

People who are against Cena to get a bad rap around here, but that is because of all of the morons that hate him. You aren't as stupid as most, but you still are just blindly hating him. I'm not going to red rep you, but I want to see that list pretty soon.

So I am stupid, just not as stupid as the rest? I do not blindly hate Cena. I explain myself very well. I could come on here and be like: "Cuz yo, Cena jus sux, i mean what's with this marky mark wannabe, i jus cant stand him yo and blah blah blah." I think that I do a damn good job of explaining my opinions and views on Cena.

I am working on my list on Word and it is coming along even better than I thought it was. It will be provoking and most of you will hate it. I am probably going to be even more hated than I am now, but my goal is to become a heel, so I guess it will work.

 

[sharpsh00ter23]

Cena showed us his potential when he debuted against Kurt Angle on Smackdown. That match was phenomenal. I'll never forget it. The unfortunate part for Cena is his move set has given him a reputation, but a negative one.

I will admit that Austin and The Rock did have a standard moveset, but because of their dichotic and OVER THE TOP entertaiment value they were untouchable. Note: Rock did change some moves as the years went on; i.e Belly to Belly Overhead Suplex, jumping clothesline, DDT/nip up combo, running back elbow, and The Sharpshooter. Attitude era Rock really only regularly executed the Samoan Drop, Russian Leg Sweep, Tilt-a-Whirl spinebuster, scoop slam, and a standard suplex.

Sorry to digress of onto other superstars, but Cena needs to reach into the plethora of his moves and make things happen or he it just adds to his incompletion as a all around wrestler, because let's be honest here, WWE is targeted towards kids yes, but John Cena is not a favorite to all demographics. Again, look at wrestlers like Austin and Rock, EVERYONE loved them, kids included. Kids are not the only ones in the seats, and if John Cena truly appealed to everyone then everyone would be on their feet when he comes out.

I will make my last point though, because I do RESPECT John Cena as a man. His work ethic is like no other and he sends messages to children of perseverance, passion, hard work, drive, and other qualities that are good additives for the children. Cena fits in the WWPGE. I really couldn't see a PG Stone Cold Steve Austin or Rock.

 

[The BRock Samson]

I like and respect John Cena for what he does. Sure, he's Mr. "5 moves of Doom". However, he tends to his fans and the WWE Universe and he's witty. He's getting a bit of attention in the mainstream media, which is good for the WWE. Cena's very passionate about the WWE and its fans and that is what I respect about him the most.

 

[mayhem]

Anyone sick of seeing Cena dressed in that horrible yellow and green t shirt and cap? I mean who would want to go out in public wearing that. Cena constantly comes out with new merchandise and to me this it why he is being pushed up the card more than wrestlers who are better than he is.

For example i can rank 10 wrestlers in the wwe who are better than Cena in regards to in ring work: The Undertaker, HBK, Triple H, Orton, Jericho, Edge, CM Punk, Swagger, Benjamin, Morrison, Christian. Anyone disagree that any of these wrestlers are not better than Cena in the Ring?

Everyone was tired of Cena when he held the wwe title for over 1 year and no one wants to see that again. That only happened to draw more sales etc. His yucky merchandise sucks too. Agree that Cena is only pushed to make more money for the wwe?

 

[Shadowmancer]

Shock horror there. The WWE is a business and they need a younger face to stay up there and be there. Cena is there as the cash-cow that Vince and others see him as. Frankly he bores me and I pretty much ignore him but I can't ignore the fact that to the WWE he is considered to be their prime asset.

So just reading this you wish for the WWE to be a not for profit organisation? Sorry bud but your living in lala land, If wrestling was real then sure I could see your argument somewhat making sense but its not real in the results so all results are business decisions. And John Cena as a Main Eventer is a sound one that makes perfect sense that goes along with having CM Punk, Edge and Randy Orton in the Main Event picture with all of the late 30s and over 40s club there. Younger is needed to keep it going.

I will agree that the designs of the merch is absolute shit and it proves that whoever is designing it has no imagination.