The *Official* John Cena Thread

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Not at all. When he first came to Raw it was He, Christian, and Jericho in a feud. Yes he feuded with Edge alot, but they had different match styles, it wasn't the same over and over. He only had two matches with HBK that I can remember. Also, during that year long run, didn't we see him go up against RVD, Orton(for the first time), Lashley, Umaga, Khali, Edge, HHH, HBK, idk if theres more. That is more feuds that he had in about 18 months than in the past 2 yrs. I actually enjoyed watching Raw at that point in time, even though I can't stand Cena, but at least stuff was fresh.

Hold on now. I believe it was you who said this.

Say what? Between Legacy attacks, tag team matches and triple threats, yea, I am tired of Orton/Cena. You know that HHH/Orton or Cena/Orton is always in the main event on Raw and it is getting stale and boring. So yea, I am tired of it.

So what's the difference between Cena/Edge and Cena/Orton? Aren't tag matches and triple threats different style matches as well? So as long as there are gimmick matches, I guess that is okay, right?

During Cena's year long reign he feuded with Umaga, HBK, Khali, Lashley, and Orton. HHH was injured during that title and RVD was fired I believe before Unforgiven 2006. Since he came back at Royal Rumble 2008 he has feuded with Orton, HHH, Batista, Jericho, Big Show, and Edge, and the Miz. By my count that was five feuds during his year reign and seven feuds in the past 18 months.

 

[SSJPhenom]

So what's the difference between Cena/Edge and Cena/Orton? Aren't tag matches and triple threats different style matches as well? So as long as there are gimmick matches, I guess that is okay, right?

Yes, gimmick matches do make a difference, because everytime the two fought, it was something new and different. Everytime Cena/Orton tangle up, we can just about guarantee that what we have seen before, we will see again. I don't recall that many tag matches with Edge and Cena and I can only recall two triple threat matches, one being on Raw. Just like when Orton speaks, we get the same out his matches with Cena, they aren't new and they aren't exciting and I am sick of them. If their feud is going to continue, I hope that it is a gimmick match, at least it would be different. BTW, Orton beat Cena twice last night. That was cool.

During Cena's year long reign he feuded with Umaga, HBK, Khali, Lashley, and Orton. HHH was injured during that title and RVD was fired I believe before Unforgiven 2006. Since he came back at Royal Rumble 2008 he has feuded with Orton, HHH, Batista, Jericho, Big Show, and Edge, and the Miz. By my count that was five feuds during his year reign and seven feuds in the past 18 months.

No no no no, those were his major feuds, now name the minor ones, like you did for the past 18 months. Like all of his successful title defenses. Like the original six pack challenge that happened when Cena was champ. I can't remember the PPV it happened at, but it was before his Lashley feud.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Yes, gimmick matches do make a difference, because everytime the two fought, it was something new and different. Everytime Cena/Orton tangle up, we can just about guarantee that what we have seen before, we will see again. I don't recall that many tag matches with Edge and Cena and I can only recall two triple threat matches, one being on Raw. Just like when Orton speaks, we get the same out his matches with Cena, they aren't new and they aren't exciting and I am sick of them. If their feud is going to continue, I hope that it is a gimmick match, at least it would be different. BTW, Orton beat Cena twice last night. That was cool.



No no no no, those were his major feuds, now name the minor ones, like you did for the past 18 months. Like all of his successful title defenses. Like the original six pack challenge that happened when Cena was champ. I can't remember the PPV it happened at, but it was before his Lashley feud.

So one title defense against one superstar constitutes a minor feud then? Does it constitute a feud at all? I believe he faced off against Carlito for the title one time and that was it. Is that a feud? He didn't have anything to do with Cena before and after that. That championship thing you were referring to was a match with former world champions. I guess Cena and Foley were in a feud as well.

 

[Paradox]

I'm not going to rethink this. Are you crazy? Just because they haven't fought one on one doesn't mean that their feud hasn't been going on. This feud has been going on every since Orton has been in the title picture(except when Cena go hurt). So yes, I am tired of it. Not just because of Cena though. I am tired of the rotating ME on Raw. Honestly, Raw was better when Cena was on that year long title run, because we got to see alot of new matches at feuds at that point in time, we didn't get the same stale, if you've seen it once, you've seen it before, match style. That is exactly what Orton/Cena is. If you've seen it once, you've seen it 100 times.

OKay man, one again you're becoming laughable with your points. So they've been feuding for 2 years straight with intermitted breaks for six, seven months at a time... If that's the case then how long did Austin and the Rock feud? How about Austin and Triple h, Or Triple h and The Rock.... Wait, what about Taker, and Kane? How about Triple h and Owen Hart, or Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels... Or Undertaker and Mankind? Oh and the kicker, what about Austin and McMahon? Hmm... Hey here's a question, out of all of those feuds, how many of them lasted longer than Cena and Orton's feud? All of them...

And your wrong again on your point that they've been feuding since Orton hit the Main event. That was in 04 when he won the title. Wait, where was Cena? Oh that's right he didn't hit the main event till Mania the next year. Then they didn't start feuding till two years later. Nice try though. The last time these two feud, without Trips sticking his nose in this was Last year between the Rumble and NWO. Omg they've been feuding for a month this has been forever I'm so bored with this I wish they would get it over. Last night's match was a case of extreme overbooking. Look at it, they had four restarts. How in the world do you plan on blaming that on Cena I look forward to seeing. That's not Cena's fault it the creative genius mind of Vince at work.

LJL has already cover this but you're really missing the mark when it comes to who he's feuded with. Since he's been back he's feuded with Jericho, JBL, Edge, Big Show, The Miz, Triple h, and Orton. Hmm. That's 6 feuds right there.... That year long reign, he feuded with Michaels, Edge, Lashley, and Orton Umaga, and Khali.... Whoa, 7 to 6... way to go...

If I've seen it once I've seen it a thousand times? Hmm... well I've seen Shawn Michaels a ton, guess that means he's stale. So don't go over to his thread and defend him. Undertaker, he falls into the same boat as Michaels, so don't go defend him. Trips. Same, Jeff Hardy, seen him go off that ladder so many times it just loses all of it's effect on me, pretty boring if you ask me. What about Orton, seen him doing the same thing for 9 months now, you know i think that he should change his gimmick. That's just a dumb thing to say... Really I expect better from you...

 

[SSJPhenom]

I'm not going to quote you two, as I don't have time, I have to go watch Raw live and be bored to death by Cena tonight.

I'm going to get BBP(that is what you are called from now on)first. You are right, Orton hit the ME scene in '04, ok, they've been feuding since Orton has been a legitimate ME guy. BTW, all the feuds that you mentioned, you are right, they started to get stale aswell, all of them, towards the end. I swore that if I had watched another 'Taker/Kane match in the late 90's that I was going to freak out. Rock/Austin was definately very old in the early 00's and I could go on about all the other feuds, fact is I am tired of watching Cena/Orton/HHH dominate the ME scene on Raw and that is what it boils down to. If you don't think that they have been feuding because they haven't been fighting One on One then good for you. I, however, think that a feud can go on without the two fighting one on one all the time. I just want something new in the Main Event scene. Hell gives us something with Orton and Cena that we haven 't ever seen before and that a gimmick match. Gives us something new, gah! That is what I mean by if you've seen it once, you've seen it a million times. You have seen 'Taker and HBK alot, but you had never seen them put on a match as good as they did at WM 25 with one another. At least with all the other feuds you named, we got to see some very different exciting matches. Tell me, what exciting matches have we got to see from Orton/Cena(please don't name that horrible match at SS, because it wasn't exciting, it was just ridiculous)?

LJL, I wasn't necassarily talking about new feuds, how about some new matches. Even if they continue to face one another, at least let it be a new match type or else we are going to get the same everytime. When Cena was on his year run as champ, we got plenty of new matches from him that we hadn't seen before. We aren't getting the same from Orton.

BTW, I can't believe you two. I am sitting here saying that I found Raw exciting when Cena was on his year long title run. I'm giving Cena some props and you two still want to bitch? WOW! P.S. BBP, I will go and defend HBK all I want to if it is needed.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

I'm not going to quote you two, as I don't have time, I have to go watch Raw live and be bored to death by Cena tonight.

I'm going to get BBP(that is what you are called from now on)first. You are right, Orton hit the ME scene in '04, ok, they've been feuding since Orton has been a legitimate ME guy. BTW, all the feuds that you mentioned, you are right, they started to get stale aswell, all of them, towards the end. I swore that if I had watched another 'Taker/Kane match in the late 90's that I was going to freak out. Rock/Austin was definately very old in the early 00's and I could go on about all the other feuds, fact is I am tired of watching Cena/Orton/HHH dominate the ME scene on Raw and that is what it boils down to. If you don't think that they have been feuding because they haven't been fighting One on One then good for you. I, however, think that a feud can go on without the two fighting one on one all the time. I just want something new in the Main Event scene. Hell gives us something with Orton and Cena that we haven 't ever seen before and that a gimmick match. Gives us something new, gah! That is what I mean by if you've seen it once, you've seen it a million times. You have seen 'Taker and HBK alot, but you had never seen them put on a match as good as they did at WM 25 with one another. At least with all the other feuds you named, we got to see some very different exciting matches. Tell me, what exciting matches have we got to see from Orton/Cena(please don't name that horrible match at SS, because it wasn't exciting, it was just ridiculous)?

LJL, I wasn't necassarily talking about new feuds, how about some new matches. Even if they continue to face one another, at least let it be a new match type or else we are going to get the same everytime. When Cena was on his year run as champ, we got plenty of new matches from him that we hadn't seen before. We aren't getting the same from Orton.

BTW, I can't believe you two. I am sitting here saying that I found Raw exciting when Cena was on his year long title run. I'm giving Cena some props and you two still want to bitch? WOW! P.S. BBP, I will go and defend HBK all I want to if it is needed.

Even if Cena and Orton do something new, it's still Cena and Orton feuding and that's what you hate right? Everybody was tired of the HHH/Orton feud and they had the Three Stages of Hell match for the first time in seven years and people still complained because it was HHH/Orton 3434.

P.S. Bad Blood 1997 > WM 25 in reference to the best Taker/HBK match.

 

[SSJPhenom]

While I do think that the feud is old and stale, at least have a different match type to add to it. I quit is going to be perfect. See that is a match that I can actually look forward to. IMO, Cena's best match was his I Quit against JBL. With the added element of Brett Dibiase, things might actually get interesting.

BTW, it is your opinion on which Taker/HBK match is the best, however I just may admit that you are right for once. Badd Blood was better than WM 25, but WM 25 is a close second.

 

[Dorrman34]

Did anyone notice how John Cena was getting boo'ed and Randy Orton was being cheered when they throwing punches at each other at SummerSlam?...I wish they would make him heel or just get rid of him all together...The guy can't wrestle and couldn't carry a match to save his life...It reminds me of when The Rock came in as a face and they shoved him down our throats until the fans ultimately turned on him and they brought him back as a heel...Does anyone ever seeing this happen with John Cena or is the WWE more concerned about selling merchandise?

 

[Paradox]

Did anyone notice how John Cena was getting boo'ed and Randy Orton was being cheered when they throwing punches at each other at SummerSlam?...

Happens a lot, nothing we aren't use to....

I wish they would make him heel or just get rid of him all together...

Yeah, that makes so much sense. Let's get rid of the face of the company, because he doesn't fit what you want. That is one of the dumbest ideas, I've ever hear, not even takerfan1 who hates him has said that.

The guy can't wrestle and couldn't carry a match to save his life...

Really can't wrestle? Let me turn you to some matches... Shawn Michaels vs Cena 2 years ago, both of those matches. Triple h, last year at NoC. Last year against Jericho. Carry a match.... here's two that are recent for you. Jack Swagger, and The Miz...

It reminds me of when The Rock came in as a face and they shoved him down our throats until the fans ultimately turned on him and they brought him back as a heel...

This is the only thing that you're right about... good job!

Does anyone ever seeing this happen with John Cena or is the WWE more concerned about selling merchandise?

Yes, he will turn heel in time, but why should he be now? He's one of the biggest if not the biggest draws in wwe today.

 

[Dorrman34]

Thanks for the feedback on my post...I just don't really like him and probably let my hater side get the best of me...There is just something about him that makes me want to punch him the face...I can't really put my finger on what it is, just him as a whole I guess...

 

[SSJPhenom]

Thanks for the feedback on my post...I just don't really like him and probably let my hater side get the best of me...There is just something about him that makes me want to punch him the face...I can't really put my finger on what it is, just him as a whole I guess...

Don't you ever, ever come on here and say, "Thanks for the feedback, oh yea, I'm sorry that I hate Cena." Which is what I got out of your post. If you hate him, then hate him. Don't come on hear and thank someone for tearing into you. This is a kill or be killed thread. Either you like him or you hate him, stick with one.

BBP, You are right. I would never come on here and say let's get rid of Cena. That's just crazy! However, the man has a point. Cena can't wrestle. We've already talked about his matches with HBK to death, his match at NoC with HHH was good, but HHH was on the other side of the ring, now the rest that mentioned were not worth mentioning as those matches were mediocre at best. If those were your examples of him carrying matches, they weren't strong examples. I'm still going to say that Cena can't wrestle and we really don't need to get into this again. You can look through the catalouge of Cena and find one example to disprove me, but for every one that you can find, I will find 5 and all I have to do is mention his matches on Raw week by week and then mention most of his PPV matches aswell.

BTW. please people, stop mentioning Cena should turn heel. That is a long, long time away and it just isn't going to happen and when it does, I'm sure that the online community will bitch about that too, so why does it matter.

 

[Paradox]

Don't you ever, ever come on here and say, "Thanks for the feedback, oh yea, I'm sorry that I hate Cena." Which is what I got out of your post. If you hate him, then hate him. Don't come on hear and thank someone for tearing into you. This is a kill or be killed thread. Either you like him or you hate him, stick with one.

BBP, You are right. I would never come on here and say let's get rid of Cena. That's just crazy!

Wow, we agree on something...

However, the man has a point. Cena can't wrestle.

I honestly give up with you.... really We've done this a thousand times. And it's not just me, many other on here have said that Cena can wrestle. You are in the minority....

We've already talked about his matches with HBK to death, his match at NoC with HHH was good, but HHH was on the other side of the ring, now the rest that mentioned were not worth mentioning as those matches were mediocre at best.

lalalalalalalalalalalalala bull.... you're opinion, and your in the minority who believe that...

If those were your examples of him carrying matches, they weren't strong examples.

sure, because Cena can't do anything.... So you say... You hate Cena.... We've all told you that you're wrong, and give examples. You just say those aren't good enough... I'm tired you coming on here with nothing absolutely nothing knew to say...

I'm still going to say that Cena can't wrestle and we really don't need to get into this again. You can look through the catalouge of Cena and find one example to disprove me, but for every one that you can find, I will find 5 and all I have to do is mention his matches on Raw week by week and then mention most of his PPV matches aswell.

You go raw by raw and nitpick, and I will find matches with you're favorite guy in them and nitpick them to death as well... It's not that hard, when you won't give the guy a chance....

BTW. please people, stop mentioning Cena should turn heel. That is a long, long time away and it just isn't going to happen and when it does, I'm sure that the online community will bitch about that too, so why does it matter.

Yep pretty much. Just like you will whine about something with Cena after he gives you what you want. Which for the life of me I still haven't figured out.

 

[SSJPhenom]

:Wow, we agree on something...

Well it just isn't logical to say get rid of Cena. He is the face of the WWE, why would someone do something so silly.

: I honestly give up with you.... really We've done this a thousand times. And it's not just me, many other on here have said that Cena can wrestle. You are in the minority....

I've been in the minority all of my life, it isn't anything new. It is just my opinon on Cena. I don't enjoy his matches and I probably never will. Sure he might give me one or two that I enjoy, but that doesn't overshadow the hundreds that I hate.

:lalalalalalalalalalalalala bull.... you're opinion, and your in the minority who believe that...

What exactly do minority and majority have to do with this? Are we voting on something?

:sure, because Cena can't do anything.... So you say... You hate Cena.... We've all told you that you're wrong, and give examples. You just say those aren't good enough... I'm tired you coming on here with nothing absolutely nothing knew to say...

Hey, I never said Cena couldn't do anything, although, there is alot he can't do. What do you ever have to say that's new? All you do is hang on word by word on what I say so you can respond. You and LJL talk about what I talk about. I'm dominating this thread. Why should I provide examples of bad Cena matches? All you will do is tell me how they were good. It is a matter of opinion and I dislike the guy. Here is a bad one. Orton/Cena SS '09, or Cena/Batista SS '08.

:You go raw by raw and nitpick, and I will find matches with you're favorite guy in them and nitpick them to death as well... It's not that hard, when you won't give the guy a chance....

But I don't sit on here and act like 'Taker is almighty and perfect, although, he is damn close to it. I have given him chance after chance. When he first got drafted I was excited. I was like, this paticular match will be good, or this one will be good. He has let me down more than I have been satisfied.

:Yep pretty much. Just like you will whine about something with Cena after he gives you what you want. Which for the life of me I still haven't figured out.

I won't bitch about it because I don't care if he is heel or not, he is still not going to be able to wrestle, so what does it matter? I have named several times where I found Cena enjoyable, several. If you don't remember them, then I suggest you go back and read and you will find them. He is just unenjoyable more than he is enjoyable.

 

[jackpeyton]

I personally hate John Cena and turn the chan or FF 90% of the time when he is on. However, he seems to be a pretty big WWE star. Its not like they have room to spare a star and get rid of him. He should stay, and he should stay good guy because the kiddies seem to love him. I go out and see kids in Cena shirts all the time, etc..

I also think hes a good wrestler, for the record, im just board of his marky mark gimmick. But again, a change might make me happy, but the majority of fans seem to be happy with him where he is and how he is (tho i could be wrong).

 

[YoYoYumba]

I absolutely hate Cena with a passion. I just don't get what the big deal about him is. All he does is bring stupid little kids into the crowd. That crowd used to be filled with older teens and adults who created a far better atmosphere. I hate this new direction the WWE is going and I heard that Cena was a big influence on the WWE going in this direction. Completly selfish on Cena's part but hey the guy is only looking after himself because he knows the majority of his fans are kids and the mother's of the kids who only like him for his looks. How pathetic and boring are his promo's...all he does is come out and say how he respects everyone and how passtionate he is about winning the title.....SO WHAT???????? WHO CARES CENA???? I wanna hear you voice an opinion......have a f*c*in attitude. Insult the other guys for once you ******.....what ever happened to the Cena who would come out and rap and give his opponent shit??? That was the only time his character was entertaining. Basically what I'm saying is that the wrestlers who can come out and have an attitude are the ones who entertain me. Not guys that come out and be Mr Good Boy. Cena's character is excessively watered down and it's got to the point now where I just can't stand the site of his stupid smiling face. Why can't he have an attitude just because his targeted towards little kids?? Eventually these kids are going to grow up and get sick of him. He needs to change. So go ahead you Cena luvers.......ugh....made me almost puke to think there's people actually like him.... go ahead and direct some reasons to me why you like the guy. I'm talking about his character by the way. What in is Character do you actually like. I voted in this thread that I respect Cena as a man but dislike his character. My opinions against him are purely related to his pathetic and boring and C for Children rated character.

 

[Thriller Ant]

I absolutely hate Cena with a passion.

Wow, haven't heard that before.

I just don't get what the big deal about him is.

So since you aren't smart enough to figure it out, you automatically hate him. Foolproof logic wins again.

All he does is bring stupid little kids into the crowd.

I think their parents bring them. Cena doesn't own a taxi service.

That crowd used to be filled with older teens and adults who created a far better atmosphere.

How so? The crowd now, for the most part, is very active in shows, and is buying merchandise at record rates.

I hate this new direction the WWE is going and I heard that Cena was a big influence on the WWE going in this direction. Completly selfish on Cena's part but hey the guy is only looking after himself because he knows the majority of his fans are kids and the mother's of the kids who only like him for his looks.

Or maybe the WWE decided to get rid of the blood, cursing and sex because they wanted to broaden their audience? Those are the only changes. No gratuitous blood, no more live sex celebrations, no more flipping off people. If that is really want you want on your TV, they have this channel called HBO that can help you out. I would rather watch a much better wrestling product.

How pathetic and boring are his promo's...all he does is come out and say how he respects everyone and how passtionate he is about winning the title.....SO WHAT???????? WHO CARES CENA????

Well, his millions of fans and the thousands of people at the shows seem to. I guess since you don't like these promos, you didn't like Hogan either then? They play similar characters, so if you hate Cena, you hate Hogan too unless you are a hypocrite.

I wanna hear you voice an opinion......have a f*c*in attitude. Insult the other guys for once you ******.....

He has an opinion. He makes fun of guys all the time. I guess you are too busy being pissy about him being on your screen to notice.

what ever happened to the Cena who would come out and rap and give his opponent shit??? That was the only time his character was entertaining.

He had a face turn? He still insults people, he just doesn't need to reference his genitalia every time now. (Genitalia means his penis and balls, since you probably didn't know.)

Basically what I'm saying is that the wrestlers who can come out and have an attitude are the ones who entertain me. Not guys that come out and be Mr Good Boy.

So you don't like faces. Why don't you insult the rest of the faces then?

Cena's character is excessively watered down and it's got to the point now where I just can't stand the site of his stupid smiling face. Why can't he have an attitude just because his targeted towards little kids??

I really don't think you know what attitude means. If you insist on using that word, then Cena has a good attitude. He is positive about everything and is a happy guy.

Eventually these kids are going to grow up and get sick of him. He needs to change. So go ahead you Cena luvers.......ugh....made me almost puke to think there's people actually like him.... go ahead and direct some reasons to me why you like the guy.

Well, go back to hugging the toilet because most people like Cena. That is why he is the most over guy in the biggest wrestling company in the world.

I'm talking about his character by the way. What in is Character do you actually like. I voted in this thread that I respect Cena as a man but dislike his character. My opinions against him are purely related to his pathetic and boring and C for Children rated character.

Rated C for Children, haha that was almost clever. His character is an uberface. He is the perfect role model for kids, and he plays it perfectly. I guess you are just too much of a bad ass to appreciate him.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

1. The WWE is transitioning into a new era. It will change once the kids become adults so you will have nothing to worry about.

2. There's nothing wrong with Cena's character. He could tweak it a bit and that doesn't mean a heel change.

3. The rapping Cena didn't make as much money or wasn't as good as the Cena now is. The Cena back then wasn't pulling in world title reigns left and right. This Cena is.

4. Why is it selfish on Cena's part that the WWE is going in a new direction? It wasn't like he went up to Vince and said "Hey. Let WWE be all about the kids now." Being a big influence doesn't mean you had any say in it.

 

[YoYoYumba]

Originally Posted by YoYoYumba
I absolutely hate Cena with a passion.

Wow, haven't heard that before.


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I just don't get what the big deal about him is.

So since you aren't smart enough to figure it out, you automatically hate him. Foolproof logic wins again.


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All he does is bring stupid little kids into the crowd.

I think their parents bring them. Cena doesn't own a taxi service.


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That crowd used to be filled with older teens and adults who created a far better atmosphere.

How so? The crowd now, for the most part, is very active in shows, and is buying merchandise at record rates.


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I hate this new direction the WWE is going and I heard that Cena was a big influence on the WWE going in this direction. Completly selfish on Cena's part but hey the guy is only looking after himself because he knows the majority of his fans are kids and the mother's of the kids who only like him for his looks.

Or maybe the WWE decided to get rid of the blood, cursing and sex because they wanted to broaden their audience? Those are the only changes. No gratuitous blood, no more live sex celebrations, no more flipping off people. If that is really want you want on your TV, they have this channel called HBO that can help you out. I would rather watch a much better wrestling product.


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How pathetic and boring are his promo's...all he does is come out and say how he respects everyone and how passtionate he is about winning the title.....SO WHAT???????? WHO CARES CENA????

Well, his millions of fans and the thousands of people at the shows seem to. I guess since you don't like these promos, you didn't like Hogan either then? They play similar characters, so if you hate Cena, you hate Hogan too unless you are a hypocrite.


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I wanna hear you voice an opinion......have a f*c*in attitude. Insult the other guys for once you ******.....

He has an opinion. He makes fun of guys all the time. I guess you are too busy being pissy about him being on your screen to notice.


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what ever happened to the Cena who would come out and rap and give his opponent shit??? That was the only time his character was entertaining.

He had a face turn? He still insults people, he just doesn't need to reference his genitalia every time now. (Genitalia means his penis and balls, since you probably didn't know.)


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Basically what I'm saying is that the wrestlers who can come out and have an attitude are the ones who entertain me. Not guys that come out and be Mr Good Boy.

So you don't like faces. Why don't you insult the rest of the faces then?


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Cena's character is excessively watered down and it's got to the point now where I just can't stand the site of his stupid smiling face. Why can't he have an attitude just because his targeted towards little kids??

I really don't think you know what attitude means. If you insist on using that word, then Cena has a good attitude. He is positive about everything and is a happy guy.


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Eventually these kids are going to grow up and get sick of him. He needs to change. So go ahead you Cena luvers.......ugh....made me almost puke to think there's people actually like him.... go ahead and direct some reasons to me why you like the guy.

Well, go back to hugging the toilet because most people like Cena. That is why he is the most over guy in the biggest wrestling company in the world.


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I'm talking about his character by the way. What in is Character do you actually like. I voted in this thread that I respect Cena as a man but dislike his character. My opinions against him are purely related to his pathetic and boring and C for Children rated character.

Rated C for Children, haha that was almost clever. His character is an uberface. He is the perfect role model for kids, and he plays it perfectly. I guess you are just too much of a bad ass to appreciate him.

Alright Thriller H, let me explain. First off I was never a fan of Hogan so don't bother going there. I only started watching from the late 90's so i was never a "hulkamaniac" or wateva you call it. Next I am aware Cena doesn't own a stupid taxi service and that the kids parents bring them there...seriously don't be such a moron with smart ass comments like that. The majority of Cena fans are either kids or teenage girls who only like him for his looks, that is a clear fact and there's no way you can argue that his character is aimed at that those fans, which is the reason his so watered down. Next point I want to touch on is the atmosphere created by the fans. Just go on youtube and look at how passtionate and loud the crowds were on monday night raw and smackdown in the late 90's - 2002. Those crowds were awesome and created a far better atmosphere. I'm not talking about the merchandise sales. I'm talking about how loud they were. Seriously those monday night raw's from the attitude era were awesome and the crowds were competely nuts, it was great entertainment. Now when you talk about Cena making fun of others? Yeah I know he sort of does but he does it in such a watered down way, its barely funny at all. Ok now next point you talk about me not knowing about genetailla??? Lol dude...what the hell, are you alright there?? I don't like Cena's character alright....there's plenty of others who don't either. Go on youtube and look at the amount of hate vids there are directed at him. I acknowledge his successful at what he does... I'm only against his character thats all. I do like other faces in the WWE so I'm not competely against all the faces. I really liked Cena when he was a heel but his just so god awful and boring right now. His character is way too watered down for my liking. Your taking this hate towards his character that I have so personally. Relax, I've got nothing against you. I'm only saying that Cena's character bores me to tears and I want him to actually do something to make me cheer for him. At the moment his character is just far too watered down for my liking.

 

[THE SWAG]

i am getting tired of cena already, i like him the other way when he would come out freestylin' the cena now is boring, you are in for the fight of your life, blah, blah, they are riding him now because he is the only marketable guy the have hbk, hhh, taker to old. and he cannot wrestle worth a lick same with batista cannot see why the bringing out a 3 dvd set when guys like jericho deserve it more

 

[Spunky]

1. The WWE is transitioning into a new era. It will change once the kids become adults so you will have nothing to worry about.

I love this new era, And by the time the next "attitude" era comes along it will be soooo fresh that we will fall in love all over again.

2. There's nothing wrong with Cena's character. He could tweak it a bit and that doesn't mean a heel change.

Nothing wrong at all, The ONLY thing I can think of to improve his character is to become a little more edgy.

3. The rapping Cena didn't make as much money or wasn't as good as the Cena now is. The Cena back then wasn't pulling in world title reigns left and right. This Cena is.

He was entertaining as hell back then, But I prefer Cena's gimmick now. Which is basically I'm a good guy, But I will fight you to be the best. I think it HAS freshed the main event by having Cena vs Orton again, As like you said previsiously. The 2007 felt unfinished.

4. Why is it selfish on Cena's part that the WWE is going in a new direction? It wasn't like he went up to Vince and said "Hey. Let WWE be all about the kids now." Being a big influence doesn't mean you had any say in it.

I guess he feels that way because Cena's gimmick has best fitted this generations direction.

 

[SSJPhenom]

1. The WWE is transitioning into a new era. It will change once the kids become adults so you will have nothing to worry about.

The new era doesn't bother me at all, I don't care if it is PG or NC17, but Cena is definately corny. Don't talk about the times transitioning, you are always saying that we are in the here and now, so talk about that.

2. There's nothing wrong with Cena's character. He could tweak it a bit and that doesn't mean a heel change.

Your opinion. I think that he could tweak his character alot.

3. The rapping Cena didn't make as much money or wasn't as good as the Cena now is. The Cena back then wasn't pulling in world title reigns left and right. This Cena is.

He didn't make money rapping or get title shots rapping because he wasn't over yet. He was like that for what? Two years? Unless you are Bill Goldberg, you are going to need alot longer than that to become big and get over.

4. Why is it selfish on Cena's part that the WWE is going in a new direction? It wasn't like he went up to Vince and said "Hey. Let WWE be all about the kids now." Being a big influence doesn't mean you had any say in it.

For once we agree. I also think that he isn't selfish. I would clearly lable Cena as a company man, however, Vince is one that runs everything by his talent and asks their opinions. If Cena hadn't have been along with the PG thing, it wouldn't be happening. History shows that Vince changes with his top guy.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

i am getting tired of cena already, i like him the other way when he would come out freestylin' the cena now is boring, you are in for the fight of your life, blah, blah, they are riding him now because he is the only marketable guy the have hbk, hhh, taker to old. and he cannot wrestle worth a lick same with batista cannot see why the bringing out a 3 dvd set when guys like jericho deserve it more

Well, shouldn't they ride him because he is marketable. It's not rocket science. Cena makes money for Vince and you push the one who makes money for you. I would ask you to prove that Cena can't wrestle but I know you won't find legitimate reasons so I'm not even going to bother.

 

[Thriller Ant]

Alright Thriller H, let me explain. First off I was never a fan of Hogan so don't bother going there. I only started watching from the late 90's so i was never a "hulkamaniac" or wateva you call it.

Well, at least you are consistent in your misplaced anger.

Next I am aware Cena doesn't own a stupid taxi service and that the kids parents bring them there...seriously don't be such a moron with smart ass comments like that.

I love being a smartass. It's kinda my thing, just like being your typical, whiny, anti-Cena noob is yours.

The majority of Cena fans are either kids or teenage girls who only like him for his looks, that is a clear fact and there's no way you can argue that his character is aimed at that those fans, which is the reason his so watered down.

A majority of wrestling crowds include more than just kids and girls, and Cena still gets 90% cheers from non-smarky crowds. Face it, you are wrong.

Next point I want to touch on is the atmosphere created by the fans. Just go on youtube and look at how passtionate and loud the crowds were on monday night raw and smackdown in the late 90's - 2002. Those crowds were awesome and created a far better atmosphere. I'm not talking about the merchandise sales. I'm talking about how loud they were. Seriously those monday night raw's from the attitude era were awesome and the crowds were competely nuts, it was great entertainment.

The crowds then were just as hit-or-miss as they are now. The crowds go nuts for Cena now, whether you admit it or not.

Now when you talk about Cena making fun of others? Yeah I know he sort of does but he does it in such a watered down way, its barely funny at all.

Show me where it says he has to be funny. I personally think he is pretty funny, but nowhere does it say that faces have to be funny.

Ok now next point you talk about me not knowing about genetailla??? Lol dude...what the hell, are you alright there??

You didn't know what the big deal was about Cena, so I wasn't sure what else you didn't know.

I don't like Cena's character alright....there's plenty of others who don't either. Go on youtube and look at the amount of hate vids there are directed at him.

Yes, because people on youtube are the voice of reason in the world.

I acknowledge his successful at what he does... I'm only against his character thats all. I do like other faces in the WWE so I'm not competely against all the faces.

You just don't like the best face in the company. Got it.

I really liked Cena when he was a heel but his just so god awful and boring right now.

Please tell me how he is boring. If you even say "he onlee nowz fiev movez" I will e-tear you a new one.

His character is way too watered down for my liking.

What do you mean by watered down? There is now less of him per serving?

Your taking this hate towards his character that I have so personally. Relax, I've got nothing against you.

Don't worry, I really couldn't care less about what you think about me.

I'm only saying that Cena's character bores me to tears and I want him to actually do something to make me cheer for him. At the moment his character is just far too watered down for my liking.

So beating the heel doesn't do that for you? Sorry he isn't a luchador or a smaller guy, but he does what he does and is very good at it.

 

[YoYoYumba]

Well, at least you are consistent in your misplaced anger.

My anger is at Cena's terrible character and nothing else, not him as a person, just his character so I don't understand what you really mean but ok then.

I love being a smartass. It's kinda my thing, just like being your typical, whiny, anti-Cena noob is yours.

Good for you wanting to be a smart ass. Well done. I'm simply one of the many fans who doesn't like Cena and not a whiny anti-Cena noob. C'mon you can do better, that was just lame.

A majority of wrestling crowds include more than just kids and girls, and Cena still gets 90% cheers from non-smarky crowds. Face it, you are wrong.

Yes I aware that there are other fans in the crowd aside from kids and girls. However when you look at the crowds nowadays, there are alot more kids that there used to be. The kids are in the crowds with their parents who are just going to cheer Cena because they don't want their little 8 yr old to get upset with them. Cena is a big name in the WWE now because they've decided to target kids and the kids just can't get enough of him and it's pretty obvious girls only like him for his looks. That's what my point was. He is targeted towards kids and no-one in this forum can argue that. Why do you think I don't like his character? I'm not some 10 yr old kid who goes around saying "you can't see me"...which is probably got to be the saddest and most pathetic catch-phrase I've heard. Anyway to me his always had mixed reactions and the main reason you can hear the cheering is because of the kids and the parents who feel obliged to cheer the guy who their kids are supporting.

Show me where it says he has to be funny. I personally think he is pretty funny, but nowhere does it say that faces have to be funny.

I never said he has to be funny. It would be good if he was funny though, it would actually help his character a bit more. It would help anyones character in the WWE if they could add some humour into their character. It's good for a face to actually be funny as it help them gain the support from the crowd and get a reaction, which is very important for a face. The rock was a great example of this. His promo's and mic skills were legendary. I honestly have no idea what you find funny in Cena's character. I thought he was pretty funny when he was heel but that's it.

Yes, because people on youtube are the voice of reason in the world.

Haha ok point taken but go on there and take a look, some of it is pretty funny. I was just illustrating my point that there are alot of people who don't like Cena. That's all.

You just don't like the best face in the company. Got it.

You think he's the best face. Your opinion. I sure as hell don't think he is. I don't care if he can sell bucket loads of merch to kids. I support wrestlers for the personality traits within their character as well as their in ring ability.

Please tell me how he is boring. If you even say "he onlee nowz fiev movez" I will e-tear you a new one. What do you mean by watered down? There is now less of him per serving?

His character is boring because it's too watered down. When I say watered down, I mean he's too much or a good guy for my liking. He doesn't even come out and give his opponent enough shit. He has the most stupid and lamest pharses. "hustle loyalty respect"??? WTF???? "You can't see me?"" WTF AGAIN!! All he does is state the obvious in his promo's, tells his opponent he respects them but isn't afraid. C'mon you ******, what the hell is wrong with you. This isn't playschool, its the WWE, quit saying you respect everyone and start giving your opponent some shit. Try and make it a little more personal. Ever notice when a feud is made to appear more personal, it adds to the feud a little more?

Don't worry, I really couldn't care less about what you think about me.

Mmmk then

As a side not I will acknowledge that Cena does his job very well but like I've said, he doesn't entertain me the slightist and I've been hating against character. His targeted towards kids but I feel he can try to change it a bit. Just because the WWE is PG and he is aimed at kids doesn't mean he can't have a bit of attitude and something edgy about his character.

 

[Thriller Ant]

My anger is at Cena's terrible character and nothing else, not him as a person, just his character so I don't understand what you really mean but ok then.

It doesn't matter what you are mad about in referance to Cena. If you are mad about him for one reason or another, your anger is misplaced.

Good for you wanting to be a smart ass. Well done. I'm simply one of the many fans who doesn't like Cena and not a whiny anti-Cena noob. C'mon you can do better, that was just lame.

I'm not the one who was whining about Cena and started two threads trying to create anti-Cena sentiment. You're right, I can do better, I just don't need to against you.

Yes I aware that there are other fans in the crowd aside from kids and girls. However when you look at the crowds nowadays, there are alot more kids that there used to be.

Maybe that is because the product is actually appropriate for kids now. My parents wouldn't let me watch WWF/E during the wars because of the sex, cursing, and blood. I enjoyed WCW anyway though

The kids are in the crowds with their parents who are just going to cheer Cena because they don't want their little 8 yr old to get upset with them. Cena is a big name in the WWE now because they've decided to target kids and the kids just can't get enough of him and it's pretty obvious girls only like him for his looks.

Who cares if girls only like him for his looks? I wish I was making millions of dollars because of my looks in addition to my talent. Parents don't have to root for Cena. My dad, who knows nothing about wrestling or any sports, used to root for the guy I wasn't rooting for just to mess with me.

That's what my point was. He is targeted towards kids and no-one in this forum can argue that. Why do you think I don't like his character? I'm not some 10 yr old kid who goes around saying "you can't see me"...which is probably got to be the saddest and most pathetic catch-phrase I've heard. Anyway to me his always had mixed reactions and the main reason you can hear the cheering is because of the kids and the parents who feel obliged to cheer the guy who their kids are supporting.

What's wrong with being targeted toward kids? It is a very good business idea, and Cena is very good at playing a difficult character. Maybe the mixed reaction is because there are people like you in the crowd that think they are cool because they boo the good guy. It doesn't make you or the rest of them cool, but more power to you for thinking that.

I never said he has to be funny. It would be good if he was funny though, it would actually help his character a bit more. It would help anyones character in the WWE if they could add some humour into their character.

Ok, let's get some humor into Jericho and Orton's characters stat. That would help them immensely.

It's good for a face to actually be funny as it help them gain the support from the crowd and get a reaction, which is very important for a face. The rock was a great example of this. His promo's and mic skills were legendary. I honestly have no idea what you find funny in Cena's character. I thought he was pretty funny when he was heel but that's it.

He is funny. Go back and watch some of his promos, it isn't always roll of the floor funny, but he has some good comedic timing. You probably enjoyed the heel character because you giggled everytime he said "nuts."

Haha ok point taken but go on there and take a look, some of it is pretty funny. I was just illustrating my point that there are alot of people who don't like Cena. That's all.

And I'm illustrating the point that people on youtube are flamers and idiots. I'm doing a better job illustrating my point that more people like Cena.

You think he's the best face. Your opinion. I sure as hell don't think he is. I don't care if he can sell bucket loads of merch to kids. I support wrestlers for the personality traits within their character as well as their in ring ability.

Who would be the best face then? Cena is the most over, sells the most merch, and is very solid in the ring. Sounds like a top face to me.

His character is boring because it's too watered down. When I say watered down, I mean he's too much or a good guy for my liking. He doesn't even come out and give his opponent enough shit.

So the good guy is to much of a good guy. Ok, someone send word to Vince that Cena needs to cuss out Orton and beat the living crap out of him unprovoked because some noob on a wrestling forum said so.

He has the most stupid and lamest pharses. "hustle loyalty respect"??? WTF???? "You can't see me?"" WTF AGAIN!!

Hustle, loyalty, and respect are values he lives by, and good ones at that. You can't see me may be the most successful catchphrase in the post-Rock era. They are both better than D-X getting ready to suck it.

All he does is state the obvious in his promo's, tells his opponent he respects them but isn't afraid. C'mon you ******, what the hell is wrong with you. This isn't playschool, its the WWE, quit saying you respect everyone and start giving your opponent some shit. Try and make it a little more personal. Ever notice when a feud is made to appear more personal, it adds to the feud a little more?

What is wrong with respecting your opponent? In all legit sports the second you stop respecting your opponent and their abilities is the second you start getting your ass kicked. I guess Randy Orton punting his dad wasn't personal enough for you either.

As a side not I will acknowledge that Cena does his job very well but like I've said, he doesn't entertain me the slightist and I've been hating against character. His targeted towards kids but I feel he can try to change it a bit. Just because the WWE is PG and he is aimed at kids doesn't mean he can't have a bit of attitude and something edgy about his character.

I might have to realize that you are a lost cause. I have explained a couple times now why Cena's character is very good and why he is excellent at it, yet all you do is say the same thing over and over as to why you hate it. Face it, you are wrong. Cena's character is an uberface. He gets the biggest pops. He sells ungodly amounts of merchandise. He is solid in the ring. What are you missing here?