The Israeli/Palestine war

[Reflection]

Ur flame skillz need work, bro.

Not as much as you need on your debating and the topic in hand.

Not like there aren't HUNDREDS of US groups alone dedicated to the destruction of the Jew.

Whether there are hundreds of minor protest groups against Jews or not is irrelevant. There are groups protesting against pretty much everything. Jew people in USA aren't getting killed every minute or having to live in fear all their lives.

Anyway, I'm curious as to where you got that I was explaining the current situation,

The war is a current situation. The innocent people getting killed is a current situation. The "neutral" world's (somewhat justified) reluctance to help out a muslim country despite what is happening, is a current situation. If you did not use the example of Hitler's atrocity against Jews or Jesus Christ getting crucified as a means to justify what is going on in Palestine, then what the fuck are you even going on about?

because anyone who can read proper English can see my only point was to ridicule your ignorant bullshit.

Ah, of course. But the more you type, the more you display that the ignorant, irrational, hypocrite here is you. Speaking of which...

Man you're stupid.
Again, you're pretty fucking dumb.
My god. You have no fucking clue what you are talking about, do you?
I'm dying to get more insight into how someone can be so fucking clueless.

Funny you say that... Let's take a look at your valuable inputs on the topic so far:
-"Everyone involved has their head up their asses."
-Mentioning Christian-Jew conflict from the 1940's and earlier as an example to defend the threat of Muslim militants (the category that is responsible for the entire muslim demographic being viewed with suspicion), ignoring the fact that the two communities (Christians and Jews) have been living in peace for the last seven decades.
-Referencing an outdated Wikipedia article.
-Stressing that pre-2011 aid to Palestine from other countries is somehow supposed to help them out in this situation, or compensate for the lack of aid in the current scenario..
All-in-all, nothing even remotely close to being anything constructive. Apart from these, the basic premise behind all of your comments is calling others stupid/******/moron or clueless. Oh, the irony!

 

[DirtyJosé]

Not as much as you need on your debating and the topic in hand.

Nice comeback lol.

Whether there are hundreds of minor protest groups against Jews or not is irrelevant. There are groups protesting against pretty much everything. Jew people in USA aren't getting killed every minute or having to live in fear all their lives.

You keep changing the context of your quote to not look like a moron, but it's not working. You say no one likes Muslims (not true), and that no one is helping Muslims or offering support of any kind (not true), and that none of the other "groups" have issues anymore.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/14/us-usa-kansas-shooting-idUSBREA3C0MX20140414

Oh no, the KKK, a presumably Christian based ideology based in racial and religious hatred, still killing people in 2014!

And yeah, you'll start into some other path to make your words look less stupid, but just stop. You're missing the point, one that started with you anyway. People like and don't like other people. We all hurt each other, we all help each other. Pretending like Muslims are the only villains in this world only serves to demonstrate how little about this world you understand.

The war is a current situation. The innocent people getting killed is a current situation. The "neutral" world's (somewhat justified) reluctance to help out a muslim country despite what is happening, is a current situation. If you did not use the example of Hitler's atrocity against Jews or Jesus Christ getting crucified as a means to justify what is going on in Palestine, then what the fuck are you even going on about?/

See above. Also, if the neutral world is so reluctant to take a side in this, physically or otherwise, why is Israel catching so much shit about this? I mentioned the still very real phenomena of Anti Semetism (which, OMG, does exist outside of Muslims) and you start in with how nothing before a few years ago matters here. Well, no fucktard, it does. Because, AGAIN, you claim no one like Muslims, and no one wants to help them, but THEY DO GET MASSIVE AMOUNT OF INTERNATIONAL AID. Maybe try knowing what the fuck you are talking about sometime.

Funny you say that... Let's take a look at your valuable inputs on the topic so far:
-"Everyone involved has their head up their asses."

True, and an opinion more or less expressed by others here.

-Mentioning Christian-Jew conflict from the 1940's and earlier as an example to defend the threat of Muslim militants (the category that is responsible for the entire muslim demographic being viewed with suspicion), ignoring the fact that the two communities (Christians and Jews) have been living in peace for the last seven decades.

I never cited any specific conflict, and never mentioned the Holocaust or "1940's" until you brought it up, so wrong there (and I know you just reread the thread to check for things to get me on, so once again, congrats on the dunce cap). I also never intended to defend Muslim militants, and I'd love for you to find any place where I have. Finally, the Christian and Jewish communities are many in number, spread across the world. Simply because there is no big war between two countries of either side at the moment does not mean that there is no conflict between people or groups of either side. Again, that KKK guy sure seems like he loves his god.

-Referencing an outdated Wikipedia article.

Nope, all I did was counter your argument that no one cares about or helps Muslims and/or Palestinians. It wasn't until AFTER I posted that that your argument turned into RIGHT NOW as opposed to the open ended EVER that you started with.

-Stressing that pre-2011 aid to Palestine from other countries is somehow supposed to help them out in this situation, or compensate for the lack of aid in the current scenario..

ONCE AGAIN, can you quote this conclusion you've drawn from me? Because I know I never said those words. I'm sorry if you can't understand basic fucking English, perhaps you should take a class. See above for further details about the Wiki article.

All-in-all, nothing even remotely close to being anything constructive. Apart from these, the basic premise behind all of your comments is calling others stupid/******/moron or clueless. Oh, the irony!

Why should I be surprised at this point that you also do not understand irony?

And trying to be constructive in the Bar Room? Now I KNOW you're ******ed.

 

[A11oftheLights]

What have I done? What have I started?

 

[Dirk]

I'm glad it's in the bar room. None of that faux-debating ******ry.

 

[One Punch Doug Crashin]

If you believe The Times of ISRAEL hasn't taken aside then you cant be all there



If you kicked someone off their land and left them in refugee camps I'm pretty sure you would have a strong hatred towards them.

I'm not 100% sure on this one but wasnt there a UN vote over the whole Gaza strip solution that someone(again not 100% sure on everything) come up with that everyone was in agreement with but America who used their veto power bullshit(not a dig at the US, but rather the whole UN system).

5,000 years of history means the Jews were there first. Sorry but you're not gonna win that kind of debate with me. I've done my research bro.

 

[Gelgarin]

I believe there were people in Palestine long, long before Moses is purported to have existed.

 

[One Punch Doug Crashin]

I believe there were people in Palestine long, long before Moses is purported to have existed.

Yea but they weren't considered Arab. Mostly wandering tribes.

 

[Lee]

I'm pro-defending my sovereignty from people who want my destruction.

You live in New Jersey. You're not defending your sovereignty.

 

[Lee]

Yea but they weren't considered Arab. Mostly wandering tribes.

Yes they were, descendents of Esau.

 

[One Punch Doug Crashin]

You live in New Jersey. You're not defending your sovereignty.

Israel is the Jewish homeland. I'm Jewish, therefore, Israel is my second home.

 

[One Punch Doug Crashin]

Yes they were, descendents of Esau.

Arabs didn't come in till much later Lee. I believe it was Saladin who called himself the first arab.

 

[Lee]

Arabs didn't come in till much later Lee. I believe it was Saladin who called himself the first arab.

The traditional belief is that Arabs were descendants of Esau (though not using that name).

Also if the historical area of Israel's so important why aren't they going for the other areas that was part of Israel during King David's reign?

 

[One Punch Doug Crashin]

The traditional belief is that Arabs were descendants of Esau (though not using that name).

Also if the historical area of Israel's so important why aren't they going for the other areas that was part of Israel during King David's reign?

Because that would be extremely stupid. You would no longer have Syria or parts of Iraq.

 

[Gelgarin]

Arabs claiming legacy from Esau holds about as much archaeological evidence as Jews claiming to be the progeny of Cain.

But the point I'm making is that the Jews weren't there first, which seems to be what your claim to sovereignty is. The Israelites were supplanted and make claim that the land should be returned to them, but its been archaeologically proven that settlement of the land dates back thousands and thousands of years before Judaism even existed, to the point where it can be mathematically proven that basically every human being alive today has a genealogical claim to the land.

Now I have no problem with the existence of the state Israel. I would have had problems with its creation post World War Two, but now it's here we have to find a way to deal with things as they are. It's the pretense that there's some kind of historical imperative that Israel should be where it is that galls me a little, because there really isn't.

The argument should be "we're here now", not "our purported ancestors were temporarily here a few thousand years ago".

 

[A11oftheLights]

Arabs claiming legacy from Esau holds about as much archaeological evidence as Jews claiming to be the progeny of Cain.

But the point I'm making is that the Jews weren't there first, which seems to be what your claim to sovereignty is. The Israelites were supplanted and make claim that the land should be returned to them, but its been archaeologically proven that settlement of the land dates back thousands and thousands of years before Judaism even existed, to the point where it can be mathematically proven that basically every human being alive today has a genealogical claim to the land.

Now I have no problem with the existence of the state Israel. I would have had problems with its creation post World War Two, but now it's here we have to find a way to deal with things as they are. It's the pretense that there's some kind of historical imperative that Israel should be where it is that galls me a little, because there really isn't.

The argument should be "we're here now", not "our purported ancestors were temporarily here a few thousand years ago".

This

 

[A11oftheLights]

5,000 years of history means the Jews were there first. Sorry but you're not gonna win that kind of debate with me. I've done my research bro.

'You' left, someone else claimed it, you wanted it back. You sound like the bitchy high school **** who dumps her boyfriend but when he upgrades gets moody and upset.

If you want a controversial statement on the topic here it is, that i'm starting to believe more and more as this draws out:

The jews became hated in Germany, now they're hated in the middle east. Maybe Hitler was onto something...good thing this is the bar room

 

[Gelgarin]

Can someone post that Captain Picard picture please? I'd do it myself but, you know, standards.

 

[GI Cake]

What the fuck are "standards?"

 

[Барбоса]

5,000 years of history means the Jews were there first. Sorry but you're not gonna win that kind of debate with me. I've done my research bro.

You haven't done your research very well it seems. Or at least you haven't done unbiased research.

See, this is where the whole argument of "by right" comes crashing down.

For my money, for a large part of that 5,000 years, the Jews lost their right to claim that land as their own on the battlefield.

They fought against various neighbours and lost.

As my User Comment suggests, Vae Victis - Woe to the Conquered - was the idea at the time the Jews lost Judaea to various outsiders and they never incontrovertibly won it back.

Arabs didn't come in till much later Lee. I believe it was Saladin who called himself the first arab.

Absolute bollocks. First off, Saladin was a Kurd, you know the largest race of people on the planet without a nation of their own.

Whether Jews want to admit it or not, they are of the same racial origins as the Arabs - both are very close parts of the Semitic genealogical tree - and Semitic tribes were around long, long before Judaism reared its head. So at the very least Jews and Arabs were in the Holy Land at the same time seeing as how back then they were essentially the same geographically, genealogically, culturally and linguistically.

And to suggest that Jews get their right from the Bible does not help all that much as the Bible is nowhere near as old as Jews and Christians would like to admit. The Old Testament is probably not the length of 2,500 years old and records a lot of oral traditions which are full of nonsense - it is a Semitic trait it seems as the Arabs of the 7th century CE followed oral traditions as well and the recording of history suffered greatly for it.

Judaism itself in its monotheistic guise probably dates from the Babylonian Captivity in the 6th century BC, where those who were deported latched on to Yahweh, likely just one of many gods in the Semitic pantheon, in order to keep themselves differentiated from the their new overlords. It was only when Cyrus the Great allowed them to return home that they brought their new monotheism back with them.

 

[One Punch Doug Crashin]

I stand corrected about Saladin. I was never great with dates in history class lol....

 

[One Punch Doug Crashin]

'You' left, someone else claimed it, you wanted it back. You sound like the bitchy high school **** who dumps her boyfriend but when he upgrades gets moody and upset.

If you want a controversial statement on the topic here it is, that i'm starting to believe more and more as this draws out:

The jews became hated in Germany, now they're hated in the middle east. Maybe Hitler was onto something...good thing this is the bar room

And now the real anti-semetism comes out. Hitler was right? /facepalm How can you sit there with a straight face and claim that?

Edit: you people are lucky I'm not FTS. At least I won't get banned for racial insensitivity...

 

[A11oftheLights]

And now the real anti-semetism comes out. Hitler was right? /facepalm How can you sit there with a straight face and claim that?

Edit: you people are lucky I'm not FTS. At least I won't get banned for racial insensitivity...

BAHAHAHAHA you honestly think i said that with a straight face

Where lucky your not football technique school?

https://www.google.com.au/search?cl...&oe=UTF-8&gfe_rd=cr&ei=rEDaU_PyKMXC8geBsYDwDA

 

[One Punch Doug Crashin]

BAHAHAHAHA you honestly think i said that with a straight face

It's the internet.. FTS was a former member/mod who got banned for being racially incentive. Even in the bar room.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

You haven't done your research very well it seems. Or at least you haven't done unbiased research.

See, this is where the whole argument of "by right" comes crashing down.

For my money, for a large part of that 5,000 years, the Jews lost their right to claim that land as their own on the battlefield.

They fought against various neighbours and lost.

As my User Comment suggests, Vae Victis - Woe to the Conquered - was the idea at the time the Jews lost Judaea to various outsiders and they never incontrovertibly won it back.



Absolute bollocks. First off, Saladin was a Kurd, you know the largest race of people on the planet without a nation of their own.

Whether Jews want to admit it or not, they are of the same racial origins as the Arabs - both are very close parts of the Semitic genealogical tree - and Semitic tribes were around long, long before Judaism reared its head. So at the very least Jews and Arabs were in the Holy Land at the same time seeing as how back then they were essentially the same geographically, genealogically, culturally and linguistically.

And to suggest that Jews get their right from the Bible does not help all that much as the Bible is nowhere near as old as Jews and Christians would like to admit. The Old Testament is probably not the length of 2,500 years old and records a lot of oral traditions which are full of nonsense - it is a Semitic trait it seems as the Arabs of the 7th century CE followed oral traditions as well and the recording of history suffered greatly for it.

Judaism itself in its monotheistic guise probably dates from the Babylonian Captivity in the 6th century BC, where those who were deported latched on to Yahweh, likely just one of many gods in the Semitic pantheon, in order to keep themselves differentiated from the their new overlords. It was only when Cyrus the Great allowed them to return home that they brought their new monotheism back with them.

When I start up my wrestling promotion that parodies history in it's storytelling will you carry the book?

 

[Барбоса]

When I start up my wrestling promotion that parodies history in it's storytelling will you carry the book?

Parody history? Hmmm... not sure I could do that.

Although Alexandros Megas vs Caius Iulivs Caesar for the title could be epic.