The Doctor's Office

[Stormtrooper]

Stop moaning about it.

Stop moaning about it? When the fuck did I start, FunKay? Right here. I wasn't on last night, and didn't post about RAW until this post (and one in JGlasses thread). Both of those were replies to how good RAW was. I said it was good, except for 1 segment which ruined it for me.

And yeah, I'll "moan" about a segment that was utter stupidity, that just was about killing a wrestlers popularity.

 

[FunKay the Inevitable]

Stop moaning about it? When the fuck did I start, FunKay? Right here. I wasn't on last night, and didn't post about RAW until this post (and one in JGlasses thread). Both of those were replies to how good RAW was. I said it was good, except for 1 segment which ruined it for me.

And yeah, I'll "moan" about a segment that was utter stupidity, that just was about killing a wrestlers popularity.

In two threads I quite like, you've written what in essence is you bitching about your favourite wrestler being misused. You've written about six paragraphs on the topic in about three spam posts. If you're that bothered, vent in the non-spam sections.

You need to chill the fuck out and actually give them a chance to show what they're working with. It's obvious to anyone with half a brain that this is far from over and that they have something planned for Ryder. You and KB should hang out.

 

[justinsayne]

Ryder's momentum wasn't ruined at all, & his losing the title that way makes perfect sense. Plus he kicked out of a gutwrench powerbomb, had he kicked out of two it would have looked ridiculous, & made Swagger look like total shit. It served a purpose for a greater storyline in which Zack is now a big part of, Johnny Ace creating a unsafe work environment, disrespecting his employees, & abusing his power to screw them over. Plus is pretty obvious Zack will be getting a rematch as soon as he's medically cleared in which he'll probably win it back. People (Stormy) need to chill the fuck out, it's not like Ryder was gonna be US champ forever.

 

[Stormtrooper]

Ryder's momentum wasn't ruined at all, & his losing the title that way makes perfect sense. Plus he kicked out of a gutwrench powerbomb, had he kicked out of two it would have looked ridiculous, & made Swagger look like total shit. It served a purpose for a greater storyline in which Zack is now a big part of, Johnny Ace creating a unsafe work environment, disrespecting his employees, & abusing his power to screw them over. Plus is pretty obvious Zack will be getting a rematch as soon as he's medically cleared in which he'll probably win it back. People (Stormy) need to chill the fuck out, it's not like Ryder was gonna be US champ forever.

the point is they booked him like shit the entire time.
-He never had a clean win as champ.
-he was immediately thrown into a relationship angle that had nothing to do with the belt
-he was regularly assaulted by other talents, and other people had to come to his rescue.
-It was suggested that he just forfeit the championship.

Oh, and he was a victim of an "unsafe work environment." That doesn't mean that he's part of an angle. It means that the people that are part of the angle will use his popularity to oust Johnny.

For example; Beth Phoenix was part of the unsafe work environment angle with HHH. As was the referees, and Jerry Lawler. Where did they go with those major angles?

 

[Remix]

the point is they booked him like shit the entire time.

No they didn't. Ryder's supposed to be a relatable character who's trying to get ahead in spite of what's being thrown in front of him. How often is your life a cakewalk. Also, if he was booked amazingly, what's he got to talk about on Z!TLIS? You know, the only reason he has any fans other than you.

-He never had a clean win as champ.

See above.

-he was immediately thrown into a relationship angle that had nothing to do with the belt

So? He was regularly on TV and had a direction. Also, trying to get a hot girl is both relatable and something that can be rooted for by the audience. Not an issue.

-he was regularly assaulted by other talents, and other people had to come to his rescue.

And he's supposed to be an underdog. Again, if he was on top he's got nothing.

-It was suggested that he just forfeit the championship.

But he didn't. He kicked out of two gutwrench powerbombs while not cleared to compete. That's not a burial, that's protection.

Oh, and he was a victim of an "unsafe work environment." That doesn't mean that he's part of an angle. It means that the people that are part of the angle will use his popularity to oust Johnny.

Like everyone else in the company? Fuck off.

For example; Beth Phoenix was part of the unsafe work environment angle with HHH. As was the referees, and Jerry Lawler. Where did they go with those major angles?

All spokes in a wheel. Again, every fucking person on the roster was part of that. Stop bitching because Zack Ryder isn't champion any more.

 

[The Doctor]

Ryder kicked out of two gutwrench powerbombs while injured. Johnny Ace looks like a massive douchebag. Cena got great character development from it. Ryder is better chasing the title and his original win was an amazing, special moment. Once Ryder is healed he's going places. While it sucks to see your favorite guy lose, his loss made so much sense and pushed so many stories. I have no complaints about what they're doing with Ryder. Plus, All American Champion Swagger could rule.

 

[Stormtrooper]

Ryder kicked out of two gutwrench powerbombs while injured. Johnny Ace looks like a massive douchebag. Cena got great character development from it. Ryder is better chasing the title and his original win was an amazing, special moment. Once Ryder is healed he's going places. While it sucks to see your favorite guy lose, his loss made so much sense and pushed so many stories. I have no complaints about what they're doing with Ryder. Plus, All American Champion Swagger could rule.

While I agree that it COULD be good, there's absolutely no proof that it WILL be good. It's sickening because the total clean job kills his credibility in the ring.

And fuck making Johny Ace, Cena, or Swagger look better. Zack Ryder earned the US title push, make him look better.

And doesn't not being medically cleared mean that the match didn't happen, like when DBD first beat Mark Henry, only for it to be overturned because MH wasn't medically cleared?

 

[The Doctor]

It wasn't a clean job. He was shown as injured, continuously referred to as injured, was shown not to be medically cleared, and still kicked out of TWO FINISHERS.

 

[FunKay the Inevitable]

It wasn't a clean job. He was shown as injured, continuously referred to as injured, was shown not to be medically cleared, and still kicked out of TWO FINISHERS.

But that doesn't matter, I can't accept that I should let something pay out because I've got anger management issues and must vent like a child with tunnel vision.

 

[DirtyJosé]

All I have to say about this is that some people really need to know what the hell they are talking about before they share their opinion. Specifically, do not talk about "clean pins" or "clean wins" if you are not capable of demonstrating what these things actually are.

 

[The Doctor]

Nice sig, Jose. Robotnik is one of my favorite villains ever.

 

[Stormtrooper]

It wasn't a clean job. He was shown as injured, continuously referred to as injured, was shown not to be medically cleared, and still kicked out of TWO FINISHERS.

But that doesn't matter, I can't accept that I should let something pay out because I've got anger management issues and must vent like a child with tunnel vision.

All I have to say about this is that some people really need to know what the hell they are talking about before they share their opinion. Specifically, do not talk about "clean pins" or "clean wins" if you are not capable of demonstrating what these things actually are.

So what you're saying is that they haven't made Zack Ryder look like a total fucking jobber during his US title reign?

He was assaulted the past 2 weeks without as much as an attempt to fight back. His only wins were because of outside interference. The only "clean" win he had was in a mixed tag against Tyson Fucking Kidd.

And last I checked, he went out there on RAW, and didn't even get a single offensive move in, while his opponent defeated him without using any nefarious, illegal tactics. Hence, a CLEAN win, injury or no.

And show me where in the past 2 years Jack Swagger finished people with the Gutwrench. He stopped using that as a finisher, and started using the Ankle Lock.

 

[Coco]

Wins and losses don't matter. I've been saying this shit for years. It's done wonders for my blood pressure.

 

[Барбоса]

And show me where in the past 2 years Jack Swagger finished people with the Gutwrench. He stopped using that as a finisher, and started using the Ankle Lock.

On an injured opponent no less

 

[Coco]

A clean win over Chris Jericho?

fuckshitbuggerwanker

 

[justinsayne]

OH MY GAWD WRESLTING IS DEAD!!!! ZACK RYDER LOST THE FUCKING US TITLE!!! IT'S THE END OF THE FUCKING WORLD!!!! WWE MAY HAVE JUST SHOT ME IN THE FACE, LIFE IS JUST NOT WORTH LIVING IF ZACK RYDER DOESN'T HAVE A MID-CARD TITLE AROUND HIS WASTE!!

Stop being such a bitch

 

[The Doctor]

http://forums.wrestlezone.com/showthread.php?p=3661150#post3661150

Awesome thread.

 

[Bernkastel]

What's amazing is that it's actually generating discussion. Also, If you like strong female characters in anime Doc, check out Fairy Tail. You will not be disapointed.

 

[The Doctor]

I do love me some strong female characters so I will give that a watch, though I have a huge backlog of shows to get through. Currently working my way through Gokaiger - Are you a fan of toku at all Ech?

 

[Bernkastel]

I do love me some strong female characters so I will give that a watch, though I have a huge backlog of shows to get through. Currently working my way through Gokaiger - Are you a fan of toku at all Ech?

The only sort of toku that I've seen is Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon, which was actually really good. Different story from either the manga or anime canon's.

 

[FunKay the Inevitable]

Doc, have you ever read Battle Royale?

 

[The Doctor]

No. I know, I really need to...

 

[The Doctor]

The only sort of toku that I've seen is Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon, which was actually really good. Different story from either the manga or anime canon's.

You should definitely check out Pirate Sentai Gokaiger. I can PM you a link full of subtitled toku if you're interested. Gokaiger is basically a massive crossover of a bunch of super sentai series'. Gokaiger's really my first toku series but it's actually really good and there's lots of touching moments and humor.

 

[FunKay the Inevitable]

No. I know, I really need to...

I advise against the manga. Like, avoid it unless you're into Hentai.

 

[Bernkastel]

I advise against the manga. Like, avoid it unless you're into Hentai.

Story of my young adult life right there...